Only Black Students Allowed on Field Trips (1 Viewer)

[rct]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.

Good point. These poor white kids would be so permanently traumatized by being left out of this field trip meeting with black college students that they would probably not attend college at all and might end up working some dead end job at Walgreens.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.

Good point. These poor white kids would be so permanently traumatized by being left out of this field trip meeting with black college students that they would probably not attend college at all and might end up working some dead end job at Walgreens.

You sound pretty uneducated right now. HTH

 

[Loan Sharks]

Would anyone have a problem with the field trip if it was a group of kids with learning disabilities visiting a college to meet college students who overcame their learning disabilities?

And before you attack me for comparing learning disabilities and being black that's not the intent - they both have different issues to overcome to viewing themselves as able to succeed in college.

That is a excellent analogy and by excellent I mean terrible. In order for your comparison of the racial trip to the handicapped trip to make sense you would have to first exclude a group that would also benefit for no reason. Ok all of the kids with learning disabilities get to go on a field trip to see what college is like, oh wait you have dyslexia, sorry we only meant kids with autism because they need it more and your family is probably equipped to handle your dyslexia.

 

[rct]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.

Good point. These poor white kids would be so permanently traumatized by being left out of this field trip meeting with black college students that they would probably not attend college at all and might end up working some dead end job at Walgreens.

You sound pretty uneducated right now. HTH

Maybe as a third grader I missed out on a field trip because of my race.

 

[Loan Sharks]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

Nothing is going to solve their cultural problem like a program to single their culture out as the one too stupid to know they can go to college. I can't think of anything that would belittle them more except maybe taking the short bus on the field trip to show that they are just as good as other cultures.

 

[Boston]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

 

[Loan Sharks]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.

Good point. These poor white kids would be so permanently traumatized by being left out of this field trip meeting with black college students that they would probably not attend college at all and might end up working some dead end job at Walgreens.

You sound pretty uneducated right now. HTH

Maybe as a third grader I missed out on a field trip because of my race.

Well then you must be a member of a race that didn't need it so you have no excuse.

 

[Ilov80s]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

So schools shouldn't take field trips to colleges? Also, you are sure it helps in some cases, but because it can't help in every case, we shouldn't even bother?

 

[Boston]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

So schools shouldn't take field trips to colleges? Also, you are sure it helps in some cases, but because it can't help in every case, we shouldn't even bother?

Obviously you read what you wanted to read...I said it can help...

 

[rct]

I agree with most of the conservatives in this thread. It's one thing to promote ethnic identity and pride, which I have no problem with, but it's another to be exclusionary and separate people by racial origin. Whatever the good intent might be, the results are going to be problematic- it shouldn't be done.

That being said it's really not such a big deal one way or the other. It's a field trip. Nothing to lose sleep over. When it comes to racial issues in this country, we have incredibly more vital issues to discuss and debate.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is that field trips are seen by kids as a special event. No matter the purpose behind the trip the kids left behind will feel like they are being left out of something exciting. We are, after all, talking about third graders not high school kids.

Good point. These poor white kids would be so permanently traumatized by being left out of this field trip meeting with black college students that they would probably not attend college at all and might end up working some dead end job at Walgreens.

You sound pretty uneducated right now. HTH

Maybe as a third grader I missed out on a field trip because of my race.

Well then you must be a member of a race that didn't need it so you have no excuse.

Good to see you in favor of this black only kids field trip, because, as you point out, they are ones who really need it.

 

[timschochet]

Also, just as a side issue, it's meaningless to send third graders on ANY field trip outside of maybe the zoo or a park or something like that. Third graders aren't going to be "inspired" or think about going to college. They're thinking about playing and giving each other goofy looks and candy. The only thing they'll remember about this field trip is that it was BORING- and they'll only remember that for a few hours or maybe less.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Also, just as a side issue, it's meaningless to send third graders on ANY field trip outside of maybe the zoo or a park or something like that. Third graders aren't going to be "inspired" or think about going to college. They're thinking about playing and giving each other goofy looks and candy. The only thing they'll remember about this field trip is that it was BORING- and they'll only remember that for a few hours or maybe less.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90XLNQXN_74

Don't be so sure of that....

 

[Ilov80s]

Also, just as a side issue, it's meaningless to send third graders on ANY field trip outside of maybe the zoo or a park or something like that. Third graders aren't going to be "inspired" or think about going to college. They're thinking about playing and giving each other goofy looks and candy. The only thing they'll remember about this field trip is that it was BORING- and they'll only remember that for a few hours or maybe less.

Now we are being ageist in here? 9 year olds aren't as dumb or shallow as you make it out. They are developing all kinds of opinions on the world around them beyond candy.

 

[rct]

Also, just as a side issue, it's meaningless to send third graders on ANY field trip outside of maybe the zoo or a park or something like that. Third graders aren't going to be "inspired" or think about going to college. They're thinking about playing and giving each other goofy looks and candy. The only thing they'll remember about this field trip is that it was BORING- and they'll only remember that for a few hours or maybe less.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90XLNQXN_74

Don't be so sure of that....

That it hilarious, although it does seem to contradict what our noted expert on children said above.

 

[cstu]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

Nothing is going to solve their cultural problem like a program to single their culture out as the one too stupid to know they can go to college. I can't think of anything that would belittle them more except maybe taking the short bus on the field trip to show that they are just as good as other cultures.

Kids need role models, if they don't have any then you show them some. Pretending there's not a cultural difference in attitude towards education doesn't help the kids who need it.

 

[rockaction]

Dr. G. something G Ross only needs a kufi to complete the intellectual and fashion get up.

 

[General Tso]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

Oh boy did Boston hit the nail on the head. Over 70% of black children are born to single Moms, with Dads who aren't around. I don't know how we solve for that, but if you really want to tackle most of the root problems there's your answer. The studies on this are astounding. Kids with two parents actively involved in their lives are far more likely to be successful in life.

 

[Loan Sharks]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

Nothing is going to solve their cultural problem like a program to single their culture out as the one too stupid to know they can go to college. I can't think of anything that would belittle them more except maybe taking the short bus on the field trip to show that they are just as good as other cultures.

Kids need role models, if they don't have any then you show them some. Pretending there's not a cultural difference in attitude towards education doesn't help the kids who need it.

So you are saying the Black culture has a incorrect attitude towards education. And the solution is to sneak the children of the failed culture away from their parents and introduce them to smart blacks who know the right way to live their lives.

How very noble of you.

What's next? Loading a bunch of Muslim women on a bus to a feminism convention to show them a better way of life?

 

[Short Corner]

What do the Hispanic kids get? A trip to the golf course to meet some groundskeepers?

My guess is that they are getting similar benefits from a different outreach program. We had pretty much the same thing happen when I was in 8th grade (1985) where a bunch of the mexican kids in our class got a field trip to a UC campus. This isn't exactly a new practice.

 

[cstu]

You can go to a local community college without white people, too!

No excuse for this. This is horsebleep identity stuff. You can sniff it from miles away like cow manure.

What is 'identity' stuff?

I've often said that black America has a cultural problem (many places not far removed from Idiocracy). That is not magically going to change and programs like this are necessary to show them that the culture they see around them is not the only way to live.

Nothing is going to solve their cultural problem like a program to single their culture out as the one too stupid to know they can go to college. I can't think of anything that would belittle them more except maybe taking the short bus on the field trip to show that they are just as good as other cultures.

Kids need role models, if they don't have any then you show them some. Pretending there's not a cultural difference in attitude towards education doesn't help the kids who need it.

So you are saying the Black culture has a incorrect attitude towards education. And the solution is to sneak the children of the failed culture away from their parents and introduce them to smart blacks who know the right way to live their lives.

How very noble of you.

What's next? Loading a bunch of Muslim women on a bus to a feminism convention to show them a better way of life?

When I was in Tanzania I volunteered for a program that was teaching women (not only Muslims) to become more empowered and how to make money independently.

So yes, if they wanted to go to a feminism convention I'd support it.

 

[cstu]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

Oh boy did Boston hit the nail on the head. Over 70% of black children are born to single Moms, with Dads who aren't around. I don't know how we solve for that, but if you really want to tackle most of the root problems there's your answer. The studies on this are astounding. Kids with two parents actively involved in their lives are far more likely to be successful in life.

Oh, wow, the answer is so simple - just get dads to go back to their families and help raise their kids. I can't believe I missed this easy solution.

 

[General Tso]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

Oh boy did Boston hit the nail on the head. Over 70% of black children are born to single Moms, with Dads who aren't around. I don't know how we solve for that, but if you really want to tackle most of the root problems there's your answer. The studies on this are astounding. Kids with two parents actively involved in their lives are far more likely to be successful in life.

Oh, wow, the answer is so simple - just get dads to go back to their families and help raise their kids. I can't believe I missed this easy solution.

Well, I never said it was an easy fix. I even acknowledged that I didn't know what the solution was. And it's clearly an unpopular root cause to mention in this place, I get flamed each time I bring it up. Probably strikes a nerve in a lot of people.But that doesn't make it incorrect. Once again - 70%. And that number has climbed dramatically for blacks since the Civil Rights Act of the 60's. I believe it is over twice the rate of whites today. It's the root cause of so many of the problems, but nobody wants to talk about it.

 

[The Big Guy]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

 

[Apple Jack]

and abstinence over condoms to stop teen preggers and disease!

 

[rct]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle...

As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

Oh boy did Boston hit the nail on the head. Over 70% of black children are born to single Moms, with Dads who aren't around. I don't know how we solve for that, but if you really want to tackle most of the root problems there's your answer. The studies on this are astounding. Kids with two parents actively involved in their lives are far more likely to be successful in life.

Oh, wow, the answer is so simple - just get dads to go back to their families and help raise their kids. I can't believe I missed this easy solution.

Well, I never said it was an easy fix. I even acknowledged that I didn't know what the solution was. And it's clearly an unpopular root cause to mention in this place, I get flamed each time I bring it up. Probably strikes a nerve in a lot of people.But that doesn't make it incorrect. Once again - 70%. And that number has climbed dramatically for blacks since the Civil Rights Act of the 60's. I believe it is over twice the rate of whites today. It's the root cause of so many of the problems, but nobody wants to talk about it.

You keep throwing out the 70% figure, but that is misleading in that it is the percentage of black mothers who are not legally married to the father and excludes situations where the unmarried father is living with the mother. It doesn't mean 70% of black kids have no dad around as you contend.

 

[cstu]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

How does a program designed for black kids to meet black college preclude schools (or anyone) from organizing college trips for everyone?

 

[Christo]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

How does a program designed for black kids to meet black college preclude schools (or anyone) from organizing college trips for everyone?

Did they?

 

[General Tso]

How about having the God**** parents be parents...sorry but this is the issue and if the parents aren't together that doesn't mean that it is OK to abdicate parental responsibilities...I'm so tired of people thinking meeting some "role model" or government program is the answer to everything...sure this can help in some cases but if an adult (be it black or white) is not involved in their kids life or is a negative influence there is a good chance things may not end well...until this gets addressed you're simply rowing upstream without a paddle... As for this thing...you just can't make up rules about when it is OK to be exclusive or not exclusive when you feel like it...no one should have that power...it sends a mixed and wrong message regardless of the intentions and will ultimately lead to resentment...

Oh boy did Boston hit the nail on the head. Over 70% of black children are born to single Moms, with Dads who aren't around. I don't know how we solve for that, but if you really want to tackle most of the root problems there's your answer. The studies on this are astounding. Kids with two parents actively involved in their lives are far more likely to be successful in life.

Oh, wow, the answer is so simple - just get dads to go back to their families and help raise their kids. I can't believe I missed this easy solution.

Well, I never said it was an easy fix. I even acknowledged that I didn't know what the solution was. And it's clearly an unpopular root cause to mention in this place, I get flamed each time I bring it up. Probably strikes a nerve in a lot of people.But that doesn't make it incorrect. Once again - 70%. And that number has climbed dramatically for blacks since the Civil Rights Act of the 60's. I believe it is over twice the rate of whites today. It's the root cause of so many of the problems, but nobody wants to talk about it.

You keep throwing out the 70% figure, but that is misleading in that it is the percentage of black mothers who are not legally married to the father and excludes situations where the unmarried father is living with the mother. It doesn't mean 70% of black kids have no dad around as you contend.

You are correct, and that should have been worded better. My bad. But the point still stands. The breakdown of the black family is at the heart of most social issues faced today. This article says it best, and even draws the interesting conclusion that the breakdown can in part be attributed to Liberal policies and the continued painting of America as a racist society. Not sure I'd go that far, but something caused the breakdown of the black family in the 60's and 70's. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.ASP?id=1261Conservatives always sound ridiculously patronizing when they talk about this issue, and Liberals just want to ignore it altogether and instead throw money at correcting all the downstream problems that result from it, like this ill-conceived field trip idea.

It's interesting that the other big racism thread going on in here, the Walter Scott shooting, also had this as one of the root causes. You know why Scott ran from that cop? Because he didn't want to go to jail. The reason? He owed a ton of back child support. http://nypost.com/2015/04/13/walter-scott-enrolled-in-program-to-help-support-his-kids/

 

[General Tso]

and abstinence over condoms to stop teen preggers and disease!

I can't think of anyone more in need of seeing this video than you. http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-the-black-family-breakdown/A050D2DE-60A3-4387-8FAE-4146A7CFA499.html

 

[cstu]

You are correct, and that should have been worded better. My bad. But the point still stands. The breakdown of the black family is at the heart of most social issues faced today. This article says it best, and even draws the interesting conclusion that the breakdown can in part be attributed to Liberal policies and the continued painting of America as a racist society. Not sure I'd go that far, but something caused the breakdown of the black family in the 60's and 70's. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.ASP?id=1261Conservatives always sound ridiculously patronizing when they talk about this issue, and Liberals just want to ignore it altogether and instead throw money at correcting all the downstream problems that result from it, like this ill-conceived field trip idea.

It's interesting that the other big racism thread going on in here, the Walter Scott shooting, also had this as one of the root causes. You know why Scott ran from that cop? Because he didn't want to go to jail. The reason? He owed a ton of back child support. http://nypost.com/2015/04/13/walter-scott-enrolled-in-program-to-help-support-his-kids/

I'm in total agreement about the breakdown of black families.

Where we disagree is that you (and others) are focusing on the socioeconomic aspect and making this into a race issue. It has zero to do with race (doesn't exist) but within a culture. The combination of lower socioeconomic status and a culture that values image over education is extremely difficult to overcome and not something you can wish away.

No, a program like this doesn't belong in schools but it does have value. I've seen some ridiculous fears about this when all they are doing is trying to open kids' eyes to a world outside of their tiny little neighborhood. Nothing wrong with showing them that just because the people around them don't value education there are people who look like them that do.

It's a big difference when a society keeps pumping out this lie that black people are somehow inherently different than whites and need special programs.

Everyone needs special programs.

 

[EYLive]

Ethnic groups aren't inherently different?

If there can be physical differences/attributes, why can't there be mental differences?

 

[Apple Jack]

and abstinence over condoms to stop teen preggers and disease!

I can't think of anyone more in need of seeing this video than you. http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-the-black-family-breakdown/A050D2DE-60A3-4387-8FAE-4146A7CFA499.html

Wait, you mean there's a breakdown in black families? Why haven't I heard about this? In that case, probably best to just stick with the status quo.

 

[The Big Guy]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

How does a program designed for black kids to meet black college preclude schools (or anyone) from organizing college trips for everyone?

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

 

[Christo]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

How does a program designed for black kids to meet black college preclude schools (or anyone) from organizing college trips for everyone?

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

Apparently, segregating black children will help them integrate.

 

[General Tso]

and abstinence over condoms to stop teen preggers and disease!

I can't think of anyone more in need of seeing this video than you. http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-the-black-family-breakdown/A050D2DE-60A3-4387-8FAE-4146A7CFA499.html

Wait, you mean there's a breakdown in black families? Why haven't I heard about this? In that case, probably best to just stick with the status quo.

Exactly. That's the point of the video, if you watched it. It's same dismissive response from Liberals since the Moynihan Report was released 50 years ago. I can only guess as to the reason since Liberals refuse to talk about this as a root cause - because it's in direct conflict with the Liberal narrative that all the problems facing black society today are due to white racism.

 

[cstu]

Ethnic groups aren't inherently different?

If there can be physical differences/attributes, why can't there be mental differences?

From a study on adopted kids:

• Moore (1986) compared black and mixed-race children adopted by either black or white middle-class families in the United States. Moore observed that 23 black and interracial children raised by white parents had a significantly higher mean score than 23 age-matched children raised by black parents (117 vs 104), and argued that differences in early socialization explained these differences.

Compared mean IQ test performance and response styles to cognitive demands of the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC) among 23 Black children (aged 7–10 yrs) who had been adopted by middle-class White families (i.e., transracially adopted) and 23 age-matched Black children who had been adopted by middle-class Black families (i.e., traditionally adopted).

Findings indicate that while the traditionally adopted Ss received normal IQ scores, transracially adopted Ss showed nearly 1 standard deviation Full-Scale Scoring advantage over them.

A multiple analysis of variance (MANOVA) indicated significant differences in the styles of responding to test demands demonstrated by the 2 groups of Ss, which were conceptualized as contributors to the difference in average test score observed between them.

Multivariate analysis of the helping behaviors adopted mothers exhibited when helping their children solve a difficult cognitive task revealed significant differences between Black and White mothers, which were conceptualized as culturally determined.

White adopted mothers tended to release tension by joking, grinning, and laughing, while Black adoptive mothers more often released tension in less positive ways such as scowling, coughing, and frowning.

White adoptive mothers were more likely than Black adoptive mothers to provide positive evaluations of their children's problem solving efforts.

It is concluded that the ethnicity of the rearing environment exerts a significant influence on children's styles of responding to standardized intelligence tests and on their test achievement. (38 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record © 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

If there are mental differences between ethnic groups (as there are physical differences) then they are small enough not to matter on an individual basis.

 

[rct]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

 

[cstu]

I find it funny that people automatically assume that just because a person is white that they have an automatic high speed pass to go to college. If the school is full of, as so many here seem to assume, a bunch of underachieving single parent black students, chances are pretty good that the white kids in the school are not going to be the children of lawyers (as said earlier in the thread) and therefore not exactly on the college fast track themselves.

All kids should have the same opportunities to see the thrill of college and know that it is available to all.

How does a program designed for black kids to meet black college preclude schools (or anyone) from organizing college trips for everyone?

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

If it's organized privately there's nothing wrong with it. People have a problem with it because they are black, but other groups (like Jews) do this all time.

How is it different than a black parent taking their child to a college to meet black students?

 

[Cjw_55106]

I just fail to see how letting the all kids go on the trip would be a bad thing? it makes zero sense, no matter how one tries to justify it.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Black children need the school to set up a trip to college to see people that look like them there so they will want to go.

Why?

Who will set up a program to fix that?

 

[Mario Kart]

Reading through the thread and listening to others is a great thing.

I see no issue with this field trip or any others like it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I just fail to see how letting the all kids go on the trip would be a bad thing? it makes zero sense, no matter how one tries to justify it.

Who said it would be a bad thing?

 

[Christo]

I just fail to see how letting the all kids go on the trip would be a bad thing? it makes zero sense, no matter how one tries to justify it.

Who said it would be a bad thing?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

 

[rct]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I just fail to see how letting the all kids go on the trip would be a bad thing? it makes zero sense, no matter how one tries to justify it.

Who said it would be a bad thing?

I don't have a problem with it.

But, if they had thought this through more carefully - it would have been better for all students to see successful black college students and professionals. Its not just young black kids who would benefit from seeing/hearing from successful black men and women.

Laugh it up fuzz ball.

 

[Courtjester]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouragged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Wow, paint with a broad brush much?

The reason kids do not go to college begins and ends with parents. Parents who are involved with their children's education, regardless of the their socio-economic status or race, tend to have kids that are more likely to go to college that is a fact no one can refute.

One of the ladies that works in the next office is black. She had her daughter when she was 16. The dad has been totally uninvolved physically or financially. Yet her daughter is an amazing young lady and student. Why is that? Because this lady worked her butt off to make sure her kid does well in school. She attends school meetings. She helps with homework. She is a great mom--all the while working two jobs I might add.

My wife and I have two daughters. One is 15, she has a 4.7 gpa and is ranked 7th out of a class of 500+ and our other one is 10 and she also is a straight A student. Again my wife and I work hard to make sure we are involved with every aspect of their schooling. We check their grades. We help with homework. We are involved with their schools activities. You get the point.

So I think there is nothing wrong with a program like this, but it does zero good, if they do not have supportive parents.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

 

[rct]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouraged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Some white kids need it more than some black kids. Some black kids need it more than white kids. Your statement was 100% false and it's not one in the same.

Check out the percentages of white kids who go to college versus black kids who go to college. The fact there is a small percentage that would be the exception, doesn't change the fact of which group needs it more.

 

[Short Corner]

You don't find something inherently wrong with creating an exclusionary grouping of children at such an early age?

BTW--Now imagine the outrage if such a trip for white students only existed. Rightfully so, I might add, but if for black students only, it is somehow OK? Double standard much?

White kids don't need to be encouraged to think about going to college, black kids do and a look at the percentages of white/black college enrollees will verify that. The school district recognized this issue needed to be addressed and specifically hired this guy to develop a program or programs to help the kids who need it the most. If an equal percentage per population of whites/blacks attended college, then it would be unnecessary.

No he was hired to help black kids; not kids who need it the most.

One and the same. If you think white kids need as much help being encouragged to go to college, I would suggest you contact the school district and set them straight.

Wow, paint with a broad brush much?

The reason kids do not go to college begins and ends with parents.