Option play question (1 Viewer)

[fantasysharkctb]

So let's say Vince Young takes the ball 10 yards down the field with CJ to his right, then pitches it off and CJ gains 40 plus yards or so.

Do the stats look like this?

VY - 10 Rushing Yards

CJ - 40 Rushing Yards

or

CJ - 50 Yards

k, thx

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So let's say Vince Young takes the ball 10 yards down the field with CJ to his right, then pitches it off and CJ gains 40 plus yards or so. Do the stats look like this?VY - 10 Rushing YardsCJ - 40 Rushing Yards or CJ - 50 Yardsk, thx

10 and 40

 

[Raider Nation]

10 and 40

Are you 100% sure? Are the NFL rules different from college?I just watched the whole Navy/Hawaii game, and this happened several times with Navy's triple-option.

Here is the complete play-by-play:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?g...62&period=0

Navy's QB is Ricky Dobbs. Many times he was about four yards past the LoS when he pitched back to the wingback, yet there is not once instance of two ball carriers getting credit for rushing yardage on the same play.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

10 and 40

Are you 100% sure? Are the NFL rules different from college?I just watched the whole Navy/Hawaii game, and this happened several times with Navy's triple-option.

Here is the complete play-by-play:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?g...62&period=0

Navy's QB is Ricky Dobbs. Many times he was about four yards past the LoS when he pitched back to the wingback, yet there is not once instance of two ball carriers getting credit for rushing yardage on the same play.

I'd have to comb through lots of examples, but I believe that once a player crosses the LoS in the NFL, any subsequent toss is a lateral and that player gets credit for stats.I could certainly be wrong though. I think I remember a hook and lateral being graded out as a reception to the second player - but I'm really not sure.

Plus it's way too late at night.... I'm sure GregR or MT will settle this later.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Well - here's an interesting source I found...

FBG - Old Ask The Commish

IF A QUARTERBACK PASSES THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CATCHES IT AND THEN LATERALS TO ANOTHER PLAYER WHO SCORES, HOW IS THE PLAY SCORED?

Examples of this are the Culpepper-to-Moss-to-Williams hook-and-ladder and the Saints 3-lateral play to end a game against the Jaguars late in the season. In all cases, if a quarterback passes the ball and the receiver laterals it, the quarterback gets credit for the completed pass and the total yardage as passing yardage until the play is stopped. The player receiving the pass from the quarterback receives credit for a reception and all yardage from the line of scrimmage to where the lateral occurred. Any player receiving a lateral receives credit for receiving yards from the point where the lateral occurred until their possession stops through another lateral, being tackled or fumbling. The player receiving the lateral does not receive credit for a reception. (Yes, it is possible that a player could gain receiving yards with no reception. It's happened where the box score shows 0 receptions for 17 yards.) If the result of a passing play involving laterals is a touchdown, the quarterback receives credit for a TD pass for the entire length of the play, regardless of the length of the actual pass or the number of times a lateral is executed on the play. The rules are the same regarding a lateral on a running play. The first player rushing the ball receives credit for the rush. The player receiving the lateral receives credit for the rushing yards, but not the carry.

So based on this I stand corrected - Player A gets the carry and 0 yards, Player B gets the yards and no carry.So VY gets 1-0, CJ gets 0-50.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Well - here's an interesting source I found...

FBG - Old Ask The Commish

IF A QUARTERBACK PASSES THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CATCHES IT AND THEN LATERALS TO ANOTHER PLAYER WHO SCORES, HOW IS THE PLAY SCORED?

Examples of this are the Culpepper-to-Moss-to-Williams hook-and-ladder and the Saints 3-lateral play to end a game against the Jaguars late in the season. In all cases, if a quarterback passes the ball and the receiver laterals it, the quarterback gets credit for the completed pass and the total yardage as passing yardage until the play is stopped. The player receiving the pass from the quarterback receives credit for a reception and all yardage from the line of scrimmage to where the lateral occurred. Any player receiving a lateral receives credit for receiving yards from the point where the lateral occurred until their possession stops through another lateral, being tackled or fumbling. The player receiving the lateral does not receive credit for a reception. (Yes, it is possible that a player could gain receiving yards with no reception. It's happened where the box score shows 0 receptions for 17 yards.) If the result of a passing play involving laterals is a touchdown, the quarterback receives credit for a TD pass for the entire length of the play, regardless of the length of the actual pass or the number of times a lateral is executed on the play. The rules are the same regarding a lateral on a running play. The first player rushing the ball receives credit for the rush. The player receiving the lateral receives credit for the rushing yards, but not the carry.

So based on this I stand corrected - Player A gets the carry and 0 yards, Player B gets the yards and no carry.So VY gets 1-0, CJ gets 0-50.

I don't think that's right. What if Young goes for 98 yards and laterals at the 1-yard line? Does he still get 0 rushing yards?

 

[Truman]

Well - here's an interesting source I found...

FBG - Old Ask The Commish

IF A QUARTERBACK PASSES THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CATCHES IT AND THEN LATERALS TO ANOTHER PLAYER WHO SCORES, HOW IS THE PLAY SCORED?

Examples of this are the Culpepper-to-Moss-to-Williams hook-and-ladder and the Saints 3-lateral play to end a game against the Jaguars late in the season. In all cases, if a quarterback passes the ball and the receiver laterals it, the quarterback gets credit for the completed pass and the total yardage as passing yardage until the play is stopped. The player receiving the pass from the quarterback receives credit for a reception and all yardage from the line of scrimmage to where the lateral occurred. Any player receiving a lateral receives credit for receiving yards from the point where the lateral occurred until their possession stops through another lateral, being tackled or fumbling. The player receiving the lateral does not receive credit for a reception. (Yes, it is possible that a player could gain receiving yards with no reception. It's happened where the box score shows 0 receptions for 17 yards.) If the result of a passing play involving laterals is a touchdown, the quarterback receives credit for a TD pass for the entire length of the play, regardless of the length of the actual pass or the number of times a lateral is executed on the play. The rules are the same regarding a lateral on a running play. The first player rushing the ball receives credit for the rush. The player receiving the lateral receives credit for the rushing yards, but not the carry.

So based on this I stand corrected - Player A gets the carry and 0 yards, Player B gets the yards and no carry.So VY gets 1-0, CJ gets 0-50.

I don't think that's right. What if Young goes for 98 yards and laterals at the 1-yard line? Does he still get 0 rushing yards?

Yes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Ugh - now I find this:

MFL FAQ

Rushing/Receiving Lateral Resulting In A TD.

Scenario: Team A has the ball and Player A1 rushes/receives-a-pass first and then laterals to a Player A2. Player A2 then rushes in for a TD.

Result: Player A1 is awarded one rush/reception and the rushing/receiving yardage for the run/reception from scrimmage through the lateral. Player A2 is awarded zero rushes/receptions and rushing/receiving yardage from the point of the lateral to the end zone. Player A2 is also awarded a Rushing/Receiving TD in the amount of the total yardage of the play.

This would go back to my original answer - VY 1/10, CJ 0/40.

 

[bahamallama]

I know in the past on MyFantasyLeague.com that with laterals and fumbles that are advanced that in our league it scored it correctly for both players as far as yards go.

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[BigDave]

I have C.Johnson already, so I don't care who gets the credit. (I just picked up Young and I'm starting him over Cutler).

CJ should go over a 100 yds and then I'd get a 5 point bonus.

If Young pitches to CJ and he gets a lot of yds., CJ could get enough for Young to go over a 100 as well.

Sounds like a perfect scenario for this problem.

 

[apalmer]

Well - here's an interesting source I found...

FBG - Old Ask The Commish

IF A QUARTERBACK PASSES THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CATCHES IT AND THEN LATERALS TO ANOTHER PLAYER WHO SCORES, HOW IS THE PLAY SCORED?

Examples of this are the Culpepper-to-Moss-to-Williams hook-and-ladder and the Saints 3-lateral play to end a game against the Jaguars late in the season. In all cases, if a quarterback passes the ball and the receiver laterals it, the quarterback gets credit for the completed pass and the total yardage as passing yardage until the play is stopped. The player receiving the pass from the quarterback receives credit for a reception and all yardage from the line of scrimmage to where the lateral occurred. Any player receiving a lateral receives credit for receiving yards from the point where the lateral occurred until their possession stops through another lateral, being tackled or fumbling. The player receiving the lateral does not receive credit for a reception. (Yes, it is possible that a player could gain receiving yards with no reception. It's happened where the box score shows 0 receptions for 17 yards.) If the result of a passing play involving laterals is a touchdown, the quarterback receives credit for a TD pass for the entire length of the play, regardless of the length of the actual pass or the number of times a lateral is executed on the play. The rules are the same regarding a lateral on a running play. The first player rushing the ball receives credit for the rush. The player receiving the lateral receives credit for the rushing yards, but not the carry.

So based on this I stand corrected - Player A gets the carry and 0 yards, Player B gets the yards and no carry.So VY gets 1-0, CJ gets 0-50.

Where does this quote suggest that answer? Player A gets the reception yards to the point of the lateral. That's equivalent to the first rusher (Young) getting the yards to the point of the lateral. Player B gets the yards after the lateral. That suggests Young gets 1-10, CJ gets 0-40.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Well - here's an interesting source I found...

FBG - Old Ask The Commish

IF A QUARTERBACK PASSES THE BALL, THE RECEIVER CATCHES IT AND THEN LATERALS TO ANOTHER PLAYER WHO SCORES, HOW IS THE PLAY SCORED?

Examples of this are the Culpepper-to-Moss-to-Williams hook-and-ladder and the Saints 3-lateral play to end a game against the Jaguars late in the season. In all cases, if a quarterback passes the ball and the receiver laterals it, the quarterback gets credit for the completed pass and the total yardage as passing yardage until the play is stopped. The player receiving the pass from the quarterback receives credit for a reception and all yardage from the line of scrimmage to where the lateral occurred. Any player receiving a lateral receives credit for receiving yards from the point where the lateral occurred until their possession stops through another lateral, being tackled or fumbling. The player receiving the lateral does not receive credit for a reception. (Yes, it is possible that a player could gain receiving yards with no reception. It's happened where the box score shows 0 receptions for 17 yards.) If the result of a passing play involving laterals is a touchdown, the quarterback receives credit for a TD pass for the entire length of the play, regardless of the length of the actual pass or the number of times a lateral is executed on the play. The rules are the same regarding a lateral on a running play. The first player rushing the ball receives credit for the rush. The player receiving the lateral receives credit for the rushing yards, but not the carry.

So based on this I stand corrected - Player A gets the carry and 0 yards, Player B gets the yards and no carry.So VY gets 1-0, CJ gets 0-50.

I don't think that's right. What if Young goes for 98 yards and laterals at the 1-yard line? Does he still get 0 rushing yards?

Yes.

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