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Who will end up starting in Denver? How much of a chance does Orton have? Denver will almost certainly draft a QB to compete so is Orton destined to ride the bench again or does he flourish with more help in Denver?

 
BigA said:
He has WRs to throw to now.
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That was what my intitial thought but does Simms have a good shot at beating him? Both have starting experience and neither have blown away by their performances on other teams. If Orton does win the job, it is a huge boost to him.
 
Neckbeard sure looks the part.

His first 3 purchases will be granola, Dodge pickup and a cabin.

 
His value is limited if they draft Sanchez or Stafford, but if they draft anyone else or no one I like him at least for a year or 2. He did fairly well throwing to no one in CHI and I think he is better than Simms. He really impressed me the couple times I saw him last year, looked like he was progressing nicely. You've got to think he's excited about the guys he has to throw to now too.

 
He was pretty darn good for a stretch last year...we'll see what he can do with a more talented offense and McDaniels pushing the buttons...I'd agree with top 12 this year.

 
Varmint said:
He'll do fine while either Sanchez or Stafford learn the ropes...
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I'd be pretty surprised if that were the case. They'd probably have to trade up for either of them and they have bigger needs. Plus McD probably thinks Orton can be a borderline pro-bowl QB for him.
 
Chadstroma said:
Who will end up starting in Denver? Simms would appear to have the inside track for this season but if he struggles Orton will step in. If they draft one of the top 3 rookie QB's this year I think there is a good chance they will be at the reins the following season.

How much of a chance does Orton have? It's almost even money between him and Simms but both could be kept on a short leash as a result.

Denver will almost certainly draft a QB to compete so is Orton destined to ride the bench again or does he flourish with more help in Denver? Simms and the possible rookie pick will all benefit from the personnel surrounding them. Does anyone think that Orton is a franchise QB that has not had a chance to prove it in the frozen north? He should be able to hold his own if the starter but anything more is just Denver gold.
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He had 18 TDs/12 INT/2972 yards with lingering ankle injuries. Look at NE's Offense last year, it's likely similar to the one we'll see the Bronco's running. I can easily see Orton filling the role of Matt Cassel.

 
MAC_32 said:
If he wins the job out of camp I think he'll outproduce Cutler in 2009.
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Against this schedule it is going to be tough sledding - it was going to be hard with Cutler. Also the speculation on a rookie playing - I am going to doubt you would see a rookie setup to fail against this schedule.
Home: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New England, Dallas, N.Y. GiantsAway: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Washington
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dotman said:
His value is limited if they draft Sanchez or Stafford, but if they draft anyone else or no one I like him at least for a year or 2. He did fairly well throwing to no one in CHI and I think he is better than Simms. He really impressed me the couple times I saw him last year, looked like he was progressing nicely. You've got to think he's excited about the guys he has to throw to now too.
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I agree with this. He can't be happy.
 
ffldrew said:
MAC_32 said:
If he wins the job out of camp I think he'll outproduce Cutler in 2009.
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Against this schedule it is going to be tough sledding - it was going to be hard with Cutler. Also the speculation on a rookie playing - I am going to doubt you would see a rookie setup to fail against this schedule.
Home: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New England, Dallas, N.Y. GiantsAway: Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Washington
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ThisEven with Cutler, with that schedule, I saw 5-11.
 
I'm more bullish on Orton long-term than others. He seems to me a guy who can be an above-average starter for a team for a while, and seems like he has leadership qualities.

I'm not sure Simms is a big threat to him, and the way he beat out Grossamn means to me that he won't concede a camp battle to a highly-drafted player, and if that happeneed to be Sanchez, I'm not sure he's going to be good.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
5-ish Finkle said:
One said:
Neckbeard sure looks the part.His first 3 purchases will be granola, Dodge pickup and a cabin.
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You forgot the "Dave Matthews Band Greatest Hits" collection. I think that would trump anything on that list except for granola.
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new bong?
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You 3 need to get a room. (and maybe someone to help write your jokes)FYI, it would be a FORD pickup, a Phish or maybe Greatful Dead CD, and a hookah, for those keeping score @ home. I'd think 2 reasonably educated Raidas fans that close to Berkeley would be on top of that sort of trivia.As for the OP, whichever QB starts the season, that schedule alone makes me think they'll both be playing. And either/both (performance wise) will ultimately depend on how many games BM is suspended. Stokeley and Royal will not be enough.
 
Watched ten or so Bears games last season...

He has his limitations, accuracy on passes over 20 yards and lack of mobility stick out....however

The guy is a smart QB, makes most of the intermediate throws given protection, and is a leader on the field.

He 'aint Peyton Manning, and he doesn't have Cutler's physical talent, but if the first half of last year before he was playing doped up on painkillers is any indication, he is fine as a starting QB in the NFL. Time will tell....but he will be out Simms, I'm fairly certain of this

 
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i don't think they draft a QB this year in the early in the draft. they don't know what they have with orton and simms really. however, they have gaping holes on the defensive side that need to be addressed. the extra picks this year will allow them to shore up that awful defense.

 
saintfool said:
i don't think they draft a QB this year in the early in the draft. they don't know what they have with orton and simms really. however, they have gaping holes on the defensive side that need to be addressed. the extra picks this year will allow them to shore up that awful defense.
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I hope you are right. I can see Orton being more than serviceable in Denver's offense and the defense can really use an infusion of talent.
 
Has a 50% to start if the roster stays the same in the QB position.

If they draft Sanchez or move up for Stafford, he will sit the bench 100%.

see Flacco / Ryan with rookie coach season 2008

Im not sure where all this love is coming for Orton... maybe desperate Denver fans? I guess I should say, watching him play in Chicago in no way gives me the chops to say he will be anything but a solid backup, an average starter or a clipboard holder.

I just don't have enough info or enough confidence after watching him, to say he is going to be a top 12 QB, or better then Cutler. Its an unrealistic prediction... but Kudos to those who think so.

 
I wouldn't give him better than 50/50 odds to start Week One, and I would be shocked if he was the starter for the entire season regardless. Having trouble digesting all this "Orton could flourish" chatter. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Chris Simms win the job, but either way it's certainly not set in stone right now and discussing Orton's full year projections seems REALLY premature under the circumstances.

 
Gotta figure a 2-3 way QB competition, no? All the QBs need to learn the offense, and any rookie 1st rounder is going to be more talented than the current rostered QBs.

 
Gargoylez said:
If they draft Sanchez or move up for Stafford, he will sit the bench 100%.

see Flacco / Ryan with rookie coach season 2008
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I think those two are the exeptions, not the rule, when it comes to rookie playing time and success.
 
Buffaloes said:
saintfool said:
i don't think they draft a QB this year in the early in the draft. they don't know what they have with orton and simms really. however, they have gaping holes on the defensive side that need to be addressed. the extra picks this year will allow them to shore up that awful defense.
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I hope you are right. I can see Orton being more than serviceable in Denver's offense and the defense can really use an infusion of talent.
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they wouldn't have taken orton if they felt he wouldn't help. he doesn't have to be a long term solution to their QB situation. he just needs to hold down the fort for a year, when they can use the extra R1 to do something. as it stands, this is a good draft for defensive players.
 
Some news outlets are reporting that Cleveland was dangling Quinn and that the Broncos would have preferred him over Orton had all other things (draft picks) been equal. Now for my money, I doubt that a team looking to draft a first round QB would have been pursuing Quinn, so I believe they intend to work with what they got. Yeah, maybe the fact that they had to settle for Orton and got the first rounder this year means they'll try to use it to get Sanchez - anything is possible - but if they could have taken a bit less and gotten Quinn and chose not to go that route, it suggests to me they are comfortable with Orton/Simms for the coming year at least.

 
Jason Wood said:
I wouldn't give him better than 50/50 odds to start Week One, and I would be shocked if he was the starter for the entire season regardless. Having trouble digesting all this "Orton could flourish" chatter. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Chris Simms win the job, but either way it's certainly not set in stone right now and discussing Orton's full year projections seems REALLY premature under the circumstances.
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:popcorn: I thought I was the only one that thought that Simms will be the starter for the Broncos.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
One said:
Neckbeard sure looks the part.His first 3 purchases will be granola, Dodge pickup and a cabin.
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You forgot the "Dave Matthews Band Greatest Hits" collection. I think that would trump anything on that list except for granola.
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You need a cabin on a lake and a pickup with a nice gun rack.
 
My question is this. Simms and Orton were both on different teams last year. Different coaches, different schemes. Do we expect either of these guys to come in and just blow the doors off because Cutler did? Because the WR's are good. That is a mega learning curve IMO. Also consider that it seems to be a QB competition so neither of these guys will get all the reps with the first team till he is named the starter which makes it that much more difficult for either of these guys to get a rhythm with the WR's.

Winning the job out of the gate may not be the money play here. Let the other guy win, flounder for a few weeks while the other guy soaks up the offense from the sideline and comes in as the hero....I realize neither guy is going to adopt this strategy. Just sayin...

 
TheFanatic said:
My question is this. Simms and Orton were both on different teams last year. Different coaches, different schemes. Do we expect either of these guys to come in and just blow the doors off because Cutler did? Because the WR's are good. That is a mega learning curve IMO. Also consider that it seems to be a QB competition so neither of these guys will get all the reps with the first team till he is named the starter which makes it that much more difficult for either of these guys to get a rhythm with the WR's. Winning the job out of the gate may not be the money play here. Let the other guy win, flounder for a few weeks while the other guy soaks up the offense from the sideline and comes in as the hero....I realize neither guy is going to adopt this strategy. Just sayin...
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Good points. On top of all that, the entire Denver offense is going to a new scheme. So, after they win the position there is the learning curve of the entire team getting on the same page of the new playbook.
 
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