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Otis diet fad of the month thread - Potato mania!!1 (1 Viewer)

I have been on this diet twice, It sucked and was miserable. At first it's, I can eat all the meat I want!!! Then it's, "I just want a piece of bread". Both times I stopped the diet, I gained what I lost and +10lbs. Plus my sweat felt like grease. I just turned 40 this year and joined a gym, I just started using the myfitnesspal app and it's been pretty useful. My biggest cheat day was 1200 calories over my goal of 2210 calories. I run 3 miles 5 days a week during my lunch break and lift 4 days a week at night. I started this mid January and have lost 8lbs. The weight is coming off a lot slower this way, but I feel like I can maintain this and I feel much stronger. Once I get to 240, I'm going to reduce my running to 1 day a week, but still hit the weights 4 nights a week. I'm currently at 260lbs.
:goodposting:

Tried the Atkins about fifteen years ago. Gained everything back. Why? Because it really doesn't work on changing your habits in a sustainable way.

Excercise more, eat less, and healthier.

Had a colleague in Brazil who was into Atkins in a big way. Did it several times, gained the weight back every time, until he developed type 2 diabetes. He's slimmer now, so there is that...
So you're saying the diet game him diabetes? Uh, no.
I am saying the diet did nothing to allow him to maintain a healthy weight.

Had the diet been more about changing habits in a sustainable way it may have prevented the diabetes

Try not to jump to conclusions without understanding the argument being made, TIA
I'm not jumping to conclusions, your post seemed to blame the diet for the failure of the individual.

I'm no saint. Right now I'm a tub of goo. But there is no diet known to man that will magically change eating habits "in a sustainable way". Regardless of what the end game is; low carb, low fat, low cal, paleo, vegetarian, vegan, you name it, nothing will change if the individual doesn't change. Some of those may be easier for some people than others. Truth is, they are all difficult (for me at least).

Simply put... your colleague could (would) have just as easily become a diabetic if his failed diet of choice was Weight Watchers.
Or if he hadn't dieted at all.

To attain a healthier weight in the long run substantial changes are required in the way most of us live, not only in terms of what we eat but also in terms of how much we move about. Might as well make those changes to begin with and stick to them than to take a (fad) diet to crash the weight and then change the habits after a(nother) period of serious self deprivation.

And I'm not saint when it comes to lifestyle, but you won't catch me dieting.
What exactly is your definition of a diet?

 
Atkins springs to mind. The drink lemon juice for a couple of weeks diet to name a few of the more silly ones

What's yours?

 
Atkins springs to mind. The drink lemon juice for a couple of weeks diet to name a few of the more silly ones

What's yours?
So your definition of a diet is one that has a name associated with it? A website, what?

Is just eating 500 cal under maintenance a diet to you?

 
I have been on this diet twice, It sucked and was miserable. At first it's, I can eat all the meat I want!!! Then it's, "I just want a piece of bread". Both times I stopped the diet, I gained what I lost and +10lbs. Plus my sweat felt like grease. I just turned 40 this year and joined a gym, I just started using the myfitnesspal app and it's been pretty useful. My biggest cheat day was 1200 calories over my goal of 2210 calories. I run 3 miles 5 days a week during my lunch break and lift 4 days a week at night. I started this mid January and have lost 8lbs. The weight is coming off a lot slower this way, but I feel like I can maintain this and I feel much stronger. Once I get to 240, I'm going to reduce my running to 1 day a week, but still hit the weights 4 nights a week. I'm currently at 260lbs.
:goodposting:

Tried the Atkins about fifteen years ago. Gained everything back. Why? Because it really doesn't work on changing your habits in a sustainable way.

Excercise more, eat less, and healthier.

Had a colleague in Brazil who was into Atkins in a big way. Did it several times, gained the weight back every time, until he developed type 2 diabetes. He's slimmer now, so there is that...
So you're saying the diet game him diabetes? Uh, no.
I am saying the diet did nothing to allow him to maintain a healthy weight.

Had the diet been more about changing habits in a sustainable way it may have prevented the diabetes

Try not to jump to conclusions without understanding the argument being made, TIA
I'm not jumping to conclusions, your post seemed to blame the diet for the failure of the individual.

I'm no saint. Right now I'm a tub of goo. But there is no diet known to man that will magically change eating habits "in a sustainable way". Regardless of what the end game is; low carb, low fat, low cal, paleo, vegetarian, vegan, you name it, nothing will change if the individual doesn't change. Some of those may be easier for some people than others. Truth is, they are all difficult (for me at least).

Simply put... your colleague could (would) have just as easily become a diabetic if his failed diet of choice was Weight Watchers.
Or if he hadn't dieted at all.

To attain a healthier weight in the long run substantial changes are required in the way most of us live, not only in terms of what we eat but also in terms of how much we move about. Might as well make those changes to begin with and stick to them than to take a (fad) diet to crash the weight and then change the habits after a(nother) period of serious self deprivation.

And I'm not saint when it comes to lifestyle, but you won't catch me dieting.
Otis is also making substantial lifestyle changes if we go by other threads. He's using the Fitbit and trying to get his 10,000 steps a day. He's adding in moderate resistance training.

Telling someone with over 25-30 lbs to lose to exercise moderation just doesn't strike me as a viable strategy. Those lifestyle choices are hard. It's hard to constantly think about about every meal and to worry about getting your movement in consistently. People who successfully keep weight off (like my wife, who has been much more successful in maintenance than I was) never stop being paranoid. But I don't think most people will keep up that level of attention without the feedback of results.

On a more nerdy level, for people who are obese as opposed to simply overweight, there's another pretty big advantage to somewhat radical changes in diets. Obese people have leptin resistance, and getting that under control makes eating in moderation much, much easier.

 
I have been on this diet twice, It sucked and was miserable. At first it's, I can eat all the meat I want!!! Then it's, "I just want a piece of bread". Both times I stopped the diet, I gained what I lost and +10lbs. Plus my sweat felt like grease. I just turned 40 this year and joined a gym, I just started using the myfitnesspal app and it's been pretty useful. My biggest cheat day was 1200 calories over my goal of 2210 calories. I run 3 miles 5 days a week during my lunch break and lift 4 days a week at night. I started this mid January and have lost 8lbs. The weight is coming off a lot slower this way, but I feel like I can maintain this and I feel much stronger. Once I get to 240, I'm going to reduce my running to 1 day a week, but still hit the weights 4 nights a week. I'm currently at 260lbs.
:goodposting:

Tried the Atkins about fifteen years ago. Gained everything back. Why? Because it really doesn't work on changing your habits in a sustainable way.

Excercise more, eat less, and healthier.

Had a colleague in Brazil who was into Atkins in a big way. Did it several times, gained the weight back every time, until he developed type 2 diabetes. He's slimmer now, so there is that...
So you're saying the diet game him diabetes? Uh, no.
No. He's saying that you should get diabetes to lose weight.

 
I have been on this diet twice, It sucked and was miserable. At first it's, I can eat all the meat I want!!! Then it's, "I just want a piece of bread". Both times I stopped the diet, I gained what I lost and +10lbs. Plus my sweat felt like grease. I just turned 40 this year and joined a gym, I just started using the myfitnesspal app and it's been pretty useful. My biggest cheat day was 1200 calories over my goal of 2210 calories. I run 3 miles 5 days a week during my lunch break and lift 4 days a week at night. I started this mid January and have lost 8lbs. The weight is coming off a lot slower this way, but I feel like I can maintain this and I feel much stronger. Once I get to 240, I'm going to reduce my running to 1 day a week, but still hit the weights 4 nights a week. I'm currently at 260lbs.
:goodposting: Tried the Atkins about fifteen years ago. Gained everything back. Why? Because it really doesn't work on changing your habits in a sustainable way.

Excercise more, eat less, and healthier.

Had a colleague in Brazil who was into Atkins in a big way. Did it several times, gained the weight back every time, until he developed type 2 diabetes. He's slimmer now, so there is that...
So you're saying the diet game him diabetes? Uh, no.
I am saying the diet did nothing to allow him to maintain a healthy weight.Had the diet been more about changing habits in a sustainable way it may have prevented the diabetes

Try not to jump to conclusions without understanding the argument being made, TIA
I'm not jumping to conclusions, your post seemed to blame the diet for the failure of the individual.

I'm no saint. Right now I'm a tub of goo. But there is no diet known to man that will magically change eating habits "in a sustainable way". Regardless of what the end game is; low carb, low fat, low cal, paleo, vegetarian, vegan, you name it, nothing will change if the individual doesn't change. Some of those may be easier for some people than others. Truth is, they are all difficult (for me at least).

Simply put... your colleague could (would) have just as easily become a diabetic if his failed diet of choice was Weight Watchers.
This is not true unless your definition of "diet" is a temporary period of time where the amount or types of foods you eat is different from the amount or types of food you will eat after that temporary period of time.

The best thing for over weight people to do is to stop eating the amount and/or type of foods they are eating now, and change to an amount and/or type of foods they will eat for the rest of their life. If they did just that one simple thing, their weight would naturally drop on a curve over time leveling out to the weight that matches their caloric intake given their metabolism produced by their age, height, body type, and activity level.

There are a few reasons this is not popular to do:

1) it loses the weight slowly, and Americans are too impatient for those types of results.

2) Most people don't know how their body responds to certain foods. We're not all the same. Some people can eat a big salad and not be hungry for 6 hours, while others would be starving a couple hours later. The one who is starving after two hours could eat a 6 ounce steak with a side of broccoli and not be hungry for 6 hours, while the other would be starting a couple hours later. If you eat the wrong foods, your body will motivate you to eat more. This is a big reason why the low fat craze of the 80's and 90's produced so many fatter people. They were starving their body of good fats, so they hungered more.

3) People don't know how many calories their body needs per day to maintain their ideal weight (and they probably don't know what their ideal weight even is).

If a 6'0" male is 275 lbs today, and knew that at 185 lbs his body would need 2100 calories per day to maintain 185 lbs, and he knew which types of foods his body responds well to, then at 275 lbs he could start eating those foods at a rate of 2100 calories per day, and within two to four years he would weigh really close to 185, and just continue with that diet for the rest of his life to maintain 185 lbs.

But people want results in 2 to 4 months so they willingly try every trick in the book and their weight goes up and down like a yoyo.

 
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On a more nerdy level, for people who are obese as opposed to simply overweight, there's another pretty big advantage to somewhat radical changes in diets. Obese people have leptin resistance, and getting that under control makes eating in moderation much, much easier.
:nerd: Sadly, according to the BMI chart, I'm either obese or way too short.

 
On a more nerdy level, for people who are obese as opposed to simply overweight, there's another pretty big advantage to somewhat radical changes in diets. Obese people have leptin resistance, and getting that under control makes eating in moderation much, much easier.
:nerd: Sadly, according to the BMI chart, I'm either obese or way too short.
Have you considered growing upwards?
I've tried. My penis is the only part of me capable of this growth.

 
Day 2: had half a beef kielbasa (about 3-4 oz) and an apple for breakfast. Apples have 21 grams of carbs so I failed already.

Lunch was a full kielbasa.

Dinner was steamed broccoli with grilled pork loin and sirloin steak. Dry rubs on both. Made enough of both to take to work for the rest of the week.

Enoying a tall glass of vodka and water with some lemon juice.

Didn't run but will run tomorrow after I take my son to hoops. I plan on fasting (under 600 calories) on Thursday. Running both days on the weekend. And the main thing - the Hardest thing - will be abstaining from beer. Its been 48 hours since I had one and sadly, that's news. :bag:
I have not had a beer in almost three weeks (Thursday) It's the longest I have gone in 20 years.

I turned into a cranky #####, can't sleep, and I fingered a frozen pint glass. That's sad.

Good news, I have lost 13lbs.
Soooo, you should probably have a bunch of beer sitting around your place, taking up space eh? Oh and congrats on the weight loss and fingering stuff.
I haven't forgotten about you GB. :thumbup:

 
Atkins springs to mind. The drink lemon juice for a couple of weeks diet to name a few of the more silly ones

What's yours?
So your definition of a diet is one that has a name associated with it? A website, what?

Is just eating 500 cal under maintenance a diet to you?
would you care to make a point or ?
You are the one saying "you will never diet". I am just curious where you draw the line at what defines a diet.

 
Other great low-cal snacks:

• English Cucumber (or regular) cut into "Chips", doused in vinegar and a dusting of salt.

• Steam a bag/head of broccoli, mist w/ balsamic vinegar

• Rice cake or celery stalk with PB2
Thanks for the PB2 link, I have been thinking about a PB substitute.
No problem... it's actually REALLY good. Tastes just like a "natural" peanut butter (ie not loaded with sugar like JIF MegaCreamy™). Only trick is do NOT make it long it advance. Mix it up and eat it. Once it dries back out it's not very good.

Powdered peanut butter?
I think it is pretty tasty.
:yes:

I really enjoy it... IMO It's preferable to most non-natural store brands of peanuts. It actually tastes like what peanut butter SHOULD taste like IMO. You don't miss the extra calories at all.

 
Atkins springs to mind. The drink lemon juice for a couple of weeks diet to name a few of the more silly ones

What's yours?
So your definition of a diet is one that has a name associated with it? A website, what?

Is just eating 500 cal under maintenance a diet to you?
would you care to make a point or ?
You are the one saying "you will never diet". I am just curious where you draw the line at what defines a diet.
Well, colour me flattered by the interest. But I'll leave it at that.

 
PB2 is a pretty good product. Nice as a dip for apples or something and a great addition to change up protein shakes if you do them (if you do shakes, I also highly recommend getting a bunch of extracts like coffee extract, peppermint extract, raspberry extract, orange extract, and rum extract).

 
I think the problem with atkins is that it is not sustainable in the long term, which is why I think people have the bounceback.

For those people that use MFP or WW, I think they are better off because they know what they needed to do to lose weight, and more importantly, portion control. On Atkins you eat whatever you want in the meat category, but in the long term, once you fall off the wagon, and you inevitably will, you are still eating the same high fat crap, and haven't trained yourself in appropriate portion control and what are low and high calorie foods.

 
PB2 is a pretty good product. Nice as a dip for apples or something and a great addition to change up protein shakes if you do them (if you do shakes, I also highly recommend getting a bunch of extracts like coffee extract, peppermint extract, raspberry extract, orange extract, and rum extract).
:goodposting:

I use instant espresso with my chocolate protein. :morerichchocolateyovaltineplease:

 
My big weight loss plan was to stop eating meat at lunch. This isn't because meat is bad for you, or that giving up meat is a good way to lose weight, but I think most of the meat in the typical lunch places near me is pretty low quality meat. That never stopped me before, but a couple of not so great pieces of chicken in my salad has made me decide to plunge into meatless lunch.

So now for every day I have a salad (kale or mixed greens) with carrots, lots of chick peas, lots of bell peppers, almonds or cashews, tomatoes, and maybe grapes. And olive oil and vinegar.

Anyway, I think the better way for me to shed five pounds would be to (1) not eat the piece of bread they give me with the salad, and (2) skip desert at night. So far, I'm 2/2, but I anticipate an Otis-like regression pretty soon.

 
My big weight loss plan was to stop eating meat at lunch. This isn't because meat is bad for you, or that giving up meat is a good way to lose weight, but I think most of the meat in the typical lunch places near me is pretty low quality meat. That never stopped me before, but a couple of not so great pieces of chicken in my salad has made me decide to plunge into meatless lunch.

So now for every day I have a salad (kale or mixed greens) with carrots, lots of chick peas, lots of bell peppers, almonds or cashews, tomatoes, and maybe grapes. And olive oil and vinegar.

Anyway, I think the better way for me to shed five pounds would be to (1) not eat the piece of bread they give me with the salad, and (2) skip desert at night. So far, I'm 2/2, but I anticipate an Otis-like regression pretty soon.
:hifive:

 
Otis, are you exercising as part of this new plan?
He just bought a Fitbit Flex and plans to increase his walking to meet the 10,000 step daily goal.

Edit: And I guess he's also power lifting cheeseburgers without the pesky buns.

 
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Good god have I had some rather explosive diarrehea (sp?) the past 24 hours. :bag:

Usually I can trace that to cheap beer and greasy food, but something else is afoot in my intestines.

Oat, great job losing 5. I refuse to face the scale because it's psychologically draining and I'll just get discouraged. Plus, it's packed up deep in my garage and I'm hoping somebody stole it. But, keep it up and I'm sure I'll weigh myself at some point. Oddly curious what cutting out the beer for a few weeks will do. Last time I did that was after my divorce and I was at my skinniest a month after moving out. Then I fell back in love and got fat again on good beers and a woman who can cook. :wub:

I'm going to eat an orange for breakfast. I'm guessing that will have a gabillion carbs in it, but I bought 'em a while ago and want to finish them off. I haven't had bread or rice or beans or snack foods laden with carbs since Sunday, but have been eating fruit for breakfast. If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.
Sugar alcohols and fiber don't count, since your body doesn't process them like regular sugars.

Even with that being said, those should be a vary rare treat, not a regular snack.

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.
Uba Tuba? Nice choice!

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.
Sugar alcohols and fiber don't count, since your body doesn't process them like regular sugars.

Even with that being said, those should be a vary rare treat, not a regular snack.
FYI... they're also disgusting.

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.
They probably skirt the nutrition label with Malitol, Ace-K, or something along those lines. Stay close to a toilet.

 
Subtract sugar alcohols and fiber from the overall carbs. They don't count.

And yes, if you ingest sugar alcohols, especially Malitol. Your ### will be throwing up in a bit. (remember the sugar free gummy bear thread?)

 
I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???
I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.
I thought Atkins forbid alcohol of any type for the first week???
I forbid Atkins from screwing with my alcohol. How do you like them apples.
I seriously doubt you have keto flu 2 days in. If you are actually drinking booze right now with any regularity what you are probably doing is creating major mess. When drinking you give your liver only 25% of it's ability to use fat for fuel for one hour per drink (roughly). So if it doesn't find any carbs then it freaks out and tries to tackle protein for glucogenesis, but it's bad at that because you've been eating so much #### for so long and your liver is otherwise occupied. All of these processes produce lots of acid and discomfort when not well controlled.

You need to give your body a fighting chance of adjusting to a new fuel source.
I had one (1) scotch on the rocks last night. I'm not getting lit up here.
Sorry for not keeping your food log handy.

go get some keto strips. They are like 5 bucks.
I peed on a strip. It wasn't the beige low end of the spectrum, but it wasn't the high purple end either. It was around the middle with a reading of 1.5 and a single + (next one down the range was a ++).Based on what I read on the wikipedia page, you don't want to be on the high end anyway, there is a sweet spot in the middle of the range.

So am I experiencing cytokine ketosis???

 
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How many weeks are you taking off Otis? I took one day for each kid. I assume you are taking four weeks and hitting a spinning class three days a week, watching soaps and focusing on your weight loss.

 
How many weeks are you taking off Otis? I took one day for each kid. I assume you are taking four weeks and hitting a spinning class three days a week, watching soaps and focusing on your weight loss.
One week. I took less than a week with the first kid. I figure it's a happy medium between being a tough guy and proving a stupid point, and the slackers who disappear for three weeks. I'm still probably spending more time working remotely this week than I would like, but whatever.

 
Day 2: had half a beef kielbasa (about 3-4 oz) and an apple for breakfast. Apples have 21 grams of carbs so I failed already.

Lunch was a full kielbasa.

Dinner was steamed broccoli with grilled pork loin and sirloin steak. Dry rubs on both. Made enough of both to take to work for the rest of the week.

Enoying a tall glass of vodka and water with some lemon juice.

Didn't run but will run tomorrow after I take my son to hoops. I plan on fasting (under 600 calories) on Thursday. Running both days on the weekend. And the main thing - the Hardest thing - will be abstaining from beer. Its been 48 hours since I had one and sadly, that's news. :bag:
Alcohol, calories, and carb levels in beer.

I go Miller Lite, obviously, since that's all I drink. :banned:
Brilliant!

 
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Ned Ryerson said:
I think the problem with atkins is that it is not sustainable in the long term, which is why I think people have the bounceback.

For those people that use MFP or WW, I think they are better off because they know what they needed to do to lose weight, and more importantly, portion control. On Atkins you eat whatever you want in the meat category, but in the long term, once you fall off the wagon, and you inevitably will, you are still eating the same high fat crap, and haven't trained yourself in appropriate portion control and what are low and high calorie foods.
The thing is, a low-carb diet tends to end up being a low calorie diet. Appetite is generally reduced, and since snacking and dining options are so limited, you end up taking in fewer calories overall.

I just started using MFP a week ago to track everything, and allotted 2100 calories per day...I haven't gone over at all and I'm usually more than 10% under. :thumbup:

 
I just started using MFP a week ago to track everything, and allotted 2100 calories per day...I haven't gone over at all and I'm usually more than 10% under. :thumbup:
:thumbup:

MFP has worked best for me long term for sure. No silly restrictions on carbs or fat or blue foods or green foods or white foods..... just don't eat like a ####### and you're good to go.

 
I have this on my counter top:

http://imgur.com/TNIMLBr

I didn't buy it for this, just happened to have a box in the house. It looks fantastic. It says "2 net carbs" on the outside, and its made by the same people who make this stupid diet. But on the wrapper it says there are like a million carbs in it.

No idea if I should eat it. But I want to.

I'm also considering a Guiness with the wife this afternoon. 9g well spent imo.
Sugar alcohols and fiber don't count, since your body doesn't process them like regular sugars.

Even with that being said, those should be a vary rare treat, not a regular snack.
FYI... they're also disgusting.
I just took a bite of it, and after 3 days with practically no carbs, it was like angels massaging my mouth and belly.

 
I just started using MFP a week ago to track everything, and allotted 2100 calories per day...I haven't gone over at all and I'm usually more than 10% under. :thumbup:
:thumbup:

MFP has worked best for me long term for sure. No silly restrictions on carbs or fat or blue foods or green foods or white foods..... just don't eat like a ####### and you're good to go.
How about if I use it to track my silly restriction of carbs? Is that ok with you?

 

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