Otis in the Suburbs (1 Viewer)

[Thread Killer]

This sounds truly awful.Why exactly do folks live in the suburbs?

We grew some kids.

People in the city have kids too

But they grow up to be fear-mongering liberals. Who has time for that?

 

[Otis]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

 

[dgreen]

I understand folks drive everywhere too.Crap, will we need a second car?

What's your commute going to be like?

1 hour door-to-door. Not terrible for NYC commuter standards, and really only about 15 minutes longer than my current door-to-door from Brooklyn (and a lot more pleasant on the commuter train than my subway ride).

How are you getting to the train? Walking distance? Bus?

Short walk or super short drive.

Then I'd definitely suggest giving the single car a try for a while. If it doesn't work, just buy a dumper to make quick trips that you need to make. In my county, I believe there are more personal-use registered vehicles than licensed drivers. Having an extra car is definitely a suburban thing to do.

 

[NCCommish]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

Almost being the operative word there. I guarantee plenty of people would find it real challenging. No offense to O but this just doesn't seem like his thing.

Excuse me sir, but I did a tile backsplash in the kitchen in the Opartment last year and it came out pretty darn well. :handyman:

Like I said if you think this is within your skill set rock on. I would probably do it myself but then I have been doing this kind of stuff since I was teenager.

 

[mon]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

Emphasis on the celebrate.

 

[Otis]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

Almost being the operative word there. I guarantee plenty of people would find it real challenging. No offense to O but this just doesn't seem like his thing.

Excuse me sir, but I did a tile backsplash in the kitchen in the Opartment last year and it came out pretty darn well. :handyman:

Like I said if you think this is within your skill set rock on. I would probably do it myself but then I have been doing this kind of stuff since I was teenager.

Wanna come over and help?

 

[NCCommish]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

Almost being the operative word there. I guarantee plenty of people would find it real challenging. No offense to O but this just doesn't seem like his thing.

Excuse me sir, but I did a tile backsplash in the kitchen in the Opartment last year and it came out pretty darn well. :handyman:

Like I said if you think this is within your skill set rock on. I would probably do it myself but then I have been doing this kind of stuff since I was teenager.

Wanna come over and help?

If I were in NY I would be glad to my friend.

 

[otello]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

 

[Reaper]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

Doable....

But, IMO, it's back-breaking enough work to hire out.

Depending on help you might have, that simple project you described IMO is going to take THREE FULL WEEKENDS!!

A lot of people say you should pour a concrete perimeter. So, IMO, plannning, excavating and pouring a perimeter is weekend 1.

That also means wheel barrels. Same with just "throwing down sand" that means wheeling a lot of sand around... You need to rent a Tamper machine as well and you need to spread gravel around....

If steps are involve fugetaboutit.

I will say though, when you 1st move in you will be extra gung-ho to do projects so tackling this one right away could be a good decision........ But, a new born baby and moving into a house itself are major hurdles...

I still say Hire Out for this one.

 

[bigbottom]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

Doable....

But, IMO, it's back-breaking enough work to hire out.

Depending on help you might have, that simple project you described IMO is going to take THREE FULL WEEKENDS!!

A lot of people say you should pour a concrete perimeter. So, IMO, plannning, excavating and pouring a perimeter is weekend 1.

That also means wheel barrels. Same with just "throwing down sand" that means wheeling a lot of sand around... You need to rent a Tamper machine as well and you need to spread gravel around....

If steps are involve fugetaboutit.

I will say though, when you 1st move in you will be extra gung-ho to do projects so tackling this one right away could be a good decision........ But, a new born baby and moving into a house itself are major hurdles...

I still say Hire Out for this one.

Step One: Buy shovel.Step Two: Buy wheelbarrow.

Step Three: Make a bunch of neighborhood friends so they'll help you carry the 25,000 pounds of brick from the pallet on your driveway.

 

[Al Czervik]

I will say though, when you 1st move in you will be extra gung-ho to do projects so tackling this one right away could be a good decision........ But, a new born baby and moving into a house itself are major hurdles...

Will be hard to get the patio work done when the wife has him re-painting every room in the house.Otis, keep one thing in mind. There is always a list... the list grows... and the list is never complete.

 

[saintfool]

does righetti know about this change of address?

 

[Arizona Ron]

Pics have me guessing Northport, Pt Wash or HuntingtonAll very hilly in spotsDon't think you want to plant grasss on those slopes - mowing would be an adventure

they're zeroing in on you, Otis. might be time to activate the cloaking device.

I've got him nailed down to a 3 block radius, I'll be able to touch the hem of his garment some day

 

[Arizona Ron]

does righetti know about this change of address?

Otis has outgrown Righetti.

 

[mr. furley]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

Doable....

But, IMO, it's back-breaking enough work to hire out.

Depending on help you might have, that simple project you described IMO is going to take THREE FULL WEEKENDS!!

A lot of people say you should pour a concrete perimeter. So, IMO, plannning, excavating and pouring a perimeter is weekend 1.

That also means wheel barrels. Same with just "throwing down sand" that means wheeling a lot of sand around... You need to rent a Tamper machine as well and you need to spread gravel around....

If steps are involve fugetaboutit.

I will say though, when you 1st move in you will be extra gung-ho to do projects so tackling this one right away could be a good decision........ But, a new born baby and moving into a house itself are major hurdles...

I still say Hire Out for this one.

Step One: Buy shovel.Step Two: Buy wheelbarrow.

Step Three: Make a bunch of neighborhood friends so they'll help you carry the 25,000 pounds of brick from the pallet on your driveway.

wife and i did a small one of these at the old place. not a good time. those pavers aren't heavy.. until you have lugged 300 of them.

it's not a technically difficult job but you will want to shoot yourself before it's done. especially when you are running on fumes and just want to enjoy the weekend.

1 more vote for farming this one out.

 

[offdee]

Good God. Suburb living basically sounds like my personal daily hell.

where in Milwaukee do you live?

Downtown- 3rd Ward

 

[shuke]

the outside fridge.

Another must-have that should be on your list.

The outside isn't very far from the inside. We're getting a new fridge and putting the old fridge in the basement as extra fridge space (beer, holiday meat, etc.), but I'm not sure for a spot like ours we need an outdoor fridge?That a common thing?

It's actually better off in your basement, it's just cooler to have in the garage.

 

[the moops]

Good God. Suburb living basically sounds like my personal daily hell.

Exactly.

 

[shuke]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

for some reason I remember you saying you were on a hill.Build one of these (not by yourself, tiger). thank me later.

 

[bigbottom]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why someone would only have one tank.

 

[Otis]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

 

[koby925]

Property is 0.37 acres or so.

Just get a self-propelled push mower. Don't overdo it. Just get something with a Briggs and Stratton engine for about $350.

Have a particular one in mind? I want the same thing (and I want to mulch) for a similar sized yard...

People are going to tell you to buy a Honda, but you'll probably pay twice as much as getting a Toro or a Craftsman with a B&S engine.I've just started looking myself as it's time for a replacement. Sears seems to have a variey of 22" deck models in the $280 to $350 range. Probably going to stop by there today.

Cool. The Craftsman Platinum 190cc looks pretty good online from what I can tell. Not sure about rear propelled. Haven't had much need to mow in the last 7-8 years with city living but I used to always use front propel. How does the turn and pivot move work if you are using rear propelled? I assume you have to let up on the propel function each time you turn...

 

[Otis]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

for some reason I remember you saying you were on a hill.Build one of these (not by yourself, tiger). thank me later.

Exactly the kinds of things we need to do. It's a different kind of yard layout, so I think there are probably lots of creative solutions for landscaping, seating, etc. I'd really love to put in a fire pit too for sitting out there on cooler nights, and get those goofy crystals you throw in the middle and set on fire. Seems like suburban WIN.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

http://biggreenegg.com/

 

[bigbottom]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

for some reason I remember you saying you were on a hill.Build one of these (not by yourself, tiger). thank me later.

Exactly the kinds of things we need to do. It's a different kind of yard layout, so I think there are probably lots of creative solutions for landscaping, seating, etc. I'd really love to put in a fire pit too for sitting out there on cooler nights, and get those goofy crystals you throw in the middle and set on fire. Seems like suburban WIN.

Thumbs up on the fire pit.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

It also helps if your wife tells you that one tank ran dry while you were out of town and that your FIL changed it, but put the plastic "I'm full" cap on the empty one.

 

[Zow]

House looks very nice and comfortable. I'd be happy there. I suggest you try to do the work yourself -- build the patio, etc. There's a lot to be said for manual labor, especially for those of us who spend most of our time in front of a computer. Feels good to finish a job. If you hate it, you can always hire out, but at least try it.

Gonna have to disagree. If you don't feel you can handle it get a pro from the start. Otherwise you pay him to fix your mistakes and then do the job.

I'm not saying he should try anything over his head. Almost anyone can build a brick patio.

That's what I was thinking. How hard can this be? Throw down some sand, some mud, throw the bricks down in a pretty pattern, let dry, celebrate.There have to be at least a handful of these projects here that I can take on myself. I didn't move all the way out to the burbs to pay some other Joe to do all the heavy lifting.

Would think that's why you went to law school.

 

[koby925]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

http://biggreenegg.com/

In a similar boat as Otis and I spent 2+ hours reading some great grill threads on here. After thorough research, I am deciding between the BGE and the Weber Smoky Mountain. There were some great insights on Weber Smoky Mtn vs. the Kettle depending on how much you grill vs. smoke, but what about the BGE? If you are a 50% or more griller is it too much to be firing up a large or XL BGE to cook 4 burgers and a couple dogs?

 

[shuke]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

It's been said a few times, but I think you should definitely have a propane. You can add a charcoal grill or smoker for special occasions.

 

[shuke]

Cool. The Craftsman Platinum 190cc looks pretty good online from what I can tell. Not sure about rear propelled. Haven't had much need to mow in the last 7-8 years with city living but I used to always use front propel. How does the turn and pivot move work if you are using rear propelled? I assume you have to let up on the propel function each time you turn...

I've never used a rear propel. Seems like it would be a PIA. I'll start a new thread.

 

[NCCommish]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

Well the real advantage to getting it piped in is savings over time, not to mention never having to go fill anything. Gas from the house costs about 1/6th what getting it in the tank costs. So it doesn't take very long to get what is a rather small investment back. That is assuming gas lines are already run to the house.

 

[Zow]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

It's been said a few times, but I think you should definitely have a propane. You can add a charcoal grill or smoker for special occasions.

I have a grill where the right side is propane and the left is charcoal. It's pretty awesome if you like the benefits of both. The propane is perfect for after work ad the gym where you just want to grill something quickly and the charcoal is there for relazing weekends.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Quick reply to the BGE question: flexibility and ease of use. All in one grill and light a fire cube start = :suburbanfives:

 

[dgreen]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

It's been said a few times, but I think you should definitely have a propane. You can add a charcoal grill or smoker for special occasions.

I have a grill where the right side is propane and the left is charcoal. It's pretty awesome if you like the benefits of both. The propane is perfect for after work ad the gym where you just want to grill something quickly and the charcoal is there for relazing weekends.

If time is your main concern with charcoal, get a charcoal chimney. No, it's not instant like propane, but you can get good flames going in about 5 minutes.

 

[otello]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why someone would only have one tank.

That's all good until you have two empty tanks.

 

[otello]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

 

[Otis]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

My old man did this By the way, I'm assuming it's ok for me to own a propane grill? Does anyone bother getting messy with charcoal anymore?

http://biggreenegg.com/

In a similar boat as Otis and I spent 2+ hours reading some great grill threads on here. After thorough research, I am deciding between the BGE and the Weber Smoky Mountain. There were some great insights on Weber Smoky Mtn vs. the Kettle depending on how much you grill vs. smoke, but what about the BGE? If you are a 50% or more griller is it too much to be firing up a large or XL BGE to cook 4 burgers and a couple dogs?

The BGE things I saw online look like small round grills. I'm looking at one of those nice big rectangle Weber ones that seem to have a ton of grill space. Why would I want one of those little suckers?

 

[Otis]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

 

[Otis]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

 

[JbizzleMan]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Do this. My old house had a built in grill with a direct gas feed. My new place came with a propane tank fueled grill. I absolutely hate having to go to the store and re-fill tanks before BBQing.

 

[otello]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

The guy should stub it at the outside wall, with a turnoff valve. From there, you can run a 6 or 12 gray line to your grill. That will get you started. Down the road you can move it, depending on the outside set up. I've done this twice before and both times, and I've never had to move the grill.

 

[shuke]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

The gas line would be coming from out of the house. Yes, you'll be stuck with your grill in that location.

 

[proninja]

Otis - a couple thoughts

Claim the garage. It is your domain, and you are the master of it. Give her the entire inside. You don't really care where the couches are or what color the duvet is anyway. She'll think it's a great trade, and you're not going to get much say in the inside anyway (though I can't imagine why you'd want it.) This reason is twofold. First, and most importantly, in your lovely new wife's eyes, the garage will be the perfect dumping spot for anything she doesn't have a perfect space for. It will fill up with boxes, extra recycling, that old chair of Grandma's she replaced but just can't possibly get rid of, 100 candle holders from the wedding, and a whole bunch of other crap. This will piss you off. A lot. You don't put boxes of screws and tools in the living room, she doesn't put her leftover crap in the garage. Fair trade. Now you have a place for all your stuff that she thinks is dumb.

The garage is your domain, but this will not stop her from rummaging in your tools to hang pictures and whatnot. Take the drawer in the garage closest to the door, and fill it up with duplicates of a hammer, a couple picture hanging nails, a couple screwdrivers, a lighter (#####es dig candles), some AA and AAA batteries, a crescent wrench, and whatever else you think Mrs. O might raid your tools from. Nothing interrupts the solitude of an afternoon alone in the garage like not being able to find a phillips head screwdriver because she took all of them to some room you never go in to hang some picture you've never seen. This is the drawer from which she can take things.

I love my garage, and my wife keeps the house better than I ever would. Win-win.

 

[NCCommish]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

The gas line would be coming from out of the house. Yes, you'll be stuck with your grill in that location.

Well really how often do you move your grill? Most people tend to put it in one place and leave it there.

 

[shuke]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

The gas line would be coming from out of the house. Yes, you'll be stuck with your grill in that location.

Well really how often do you move your grill? Most people tend to put it in one place and leave it there.

I had to move mine, once I realized I was deforming the vinyl siding on my house from the heat.

 

[Otis]

Run a natural gas line outside for a grill. You can always do the smoker/charcoal thing as well, but a dedicated line to the grill is money.

Or, instead to spending time and money on this, you can do one of the best suburban shark moves. Own two propane tanks for your grill and immediate fill one when it goes empty. They always go empty in the middle of cooking.

If he is tearing out the kitchen and redoing it, a couple of extra bucks to run some gas pipe to the patio is cheap. The two tank play works, but it's much better not having to deal with propane tanks ever again.

Interesting. So I would have a gas grill outside which feeds off the regular old gas in the house? This seems pretty awesome.

Something like this looks pretty sweet.Does the gas come out at a fixed point in the yard? Can I ever move the grill, or is it permanently stuck at the place where we run the gas line to?

The gas line would be coming from out of the house. Yes, you'll be stuck with your grill in that location.

Well really how often do you move your grill? Most people tend to put it in one place and leave it there.

I had to move mine, once I realized I was deforming the vinyl siding on my house from the heat.

 

[Otis]

Otis - a couple thoughtsClaim the garage. It is your domain, and you are the master of it. Give her the entire inside. You don't really care where the couches are or what color the duvet is anyway. She'll think it's a great trade, and you're not going to get much say in the inside anyway (though I can't imagine why you'd want it.) This reason is twofold. First, and most importantly, in your lovely new wife's eyes, the garage will be the perfect dumping spot for anything she doesn't have a perfect space for. It will fill up with boxes, extra recycling, that old chair of Grandma's she replaced but just can't possibly get rid of, 100 candle holders from the wedding, and a whole bunch of other crap. This will piss you off. A lot. You don't put boxes of screws and tools in the living room, she doesn't put her leftover crap in the garage. Fair trade. Now you have a place for all your stuff that she thinks is dumb.The garage is your domain, but this will not stop her from rummaging in your tools to hang pictures and whatnot. Take the drawer in the garage closest to the door, and fill it up with duplicates of a hammer, a couple picture hanging nails, a couple screwdrivers, a lighter (#####es dig candles), some AA and AAA batteries, a crescent wrench, and whatever else you think Mrs. O might raid your tools from. Nothing interrupts the solitude of an afternoon alone in the garage like not being able to find a phillips head screwdriver because she took all of them to some room you never go in to hang some picture you've never seen. This is the drawer from which she can take things. I love my garage, and my wife keeps the house better than I ever would. Win-win.

Our garage is not huge, and it's a one-car garage with a doorway to the basement. The garage right now is pristine inside -- just concrete. I think I will make my "tool shed" the area in the basement just off the garage. When I was a kid I used to have to run out to the detached garage in the winter to grab tools. Not anymore

 

[NCCommish]

I had to move mine, once I realized I was deforming the vinyl siding on my house from the heat.

Ok well there is that. But really if you want to move it they can just put a longer flex pipe on and away you go.

 

[mr. furley]

Good God. Suburb living basically sounds like my personal daily hell.

where in Milwaukee do you live?

Downtown- 3rd Ward

Coquette Cafe> hi