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"Out of Nowhere" Guy (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I want nothing to do with LB Zach Brown of NC. Nothing. Yet the Steelers brought him in for a visit.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Chandler Jones and Shea McClellin have shot up boards the last couple weeks
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Are the "Out of Nowwhere" guys always bad? Demarcus Ware and Jason Pierre Paul went a lot earlier than most draft experts expected. Lofa Tatupa and Devin Hester are two better examples of two "out of Nowhere" guys that had a big impact.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
I thought this was a thread about this guy:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
That Guy was in the beer zone.
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kendricks_mychal00.htmlso the pac 12 defensive player of the year is a mere 'workout warrior'
elguapo07
Footballguy
Perhaps he's the West Coast's Trent Richardson. My point is that his off-the-charts combine will vault him up some draft boards.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Um, RG3?
gandalas
Footballguy
Apparently you missed all the Mocks that have WR Stephen Hill from Georgia Tech in the first round? He is the definition of an "Out of Nowhere Guy".
identikit
Footballguy
If he's high oin a bunch of mocks, I don't see him as an 'out of nowhere' guy at this point.Streeter would be.My memory may fail me, but Donnie Avery being the 1st WR off the board some years ago (I believe I'm right about that) was an 'out of nowhere' move.
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gandalas
Footballguy
He was a 3rd or 4th rounder pre-combine. Now, he will be lucky to get out of the first round.
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I don't want him before round 4
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Amini Silatolu has a good chance of being the "Who?!" guy of the first round.
MAC_32
Footballguy
To the general public, yea, but I'm guessing most who have been around here this off season are aware of him. Small school guys like him make sense as late risers unlike most bigger school guys.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
A lot of talk about him being drafted by San Fran at 30. Tommy Streeter is the guy I want my team to avoid. He did not impress me in the combine pass catching drills.
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gandalas
Footballguy
No thank you. O-Line is one of the more cerebral positions in the league IMO, so I don't want a guy who seems to be lacking either focus or intelligence.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't think you're drafting today, so...
Edit: Another guy that is going to go a lot higher than expected is Chandler Jones. Like, maybe Seattle at 12 high.
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gandalas
Footballguy
Just doesn't make sense to me. Why take a project guard in the first round when you can get the 2nd or 3rd best D1A Guard at the same spot? In the late 2nd or 3rd round? Sure. But not in the first.I don't think you're drafting today, so...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Because he's not a project. Just because he's not book smart doesn't mean he's not football smart.Evaluation
The long and short of it:
MAC_32
Footballguy
I agree with the 'high' part. Bigger school late risers make me go cross eyed. There isn't much more info out there about Chandler Jones, Stephon Gilmore, Shea McClellin, etc. now than there was 3 months ago. It just reaks of desparation from teams trying to fill premium positions.I don't think you're drafting today, so...
NYRAGE
Footballguy
He's been linked to the Jets as a possible trade down selection. Tannenbaum has never learned to trade down though. I can't see him going #16.
identikit
Footballguy
That would be 'out of nowhere' to be drafted at that level.Like the guy a lot, but I'd be surprised if he goes earlier than the 5th.
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PranksterJD
Footballguy
I know we're talking consensus here, but I guess its worth noting that McShay has been pimping Chandler Jones for months. His Feb 2 mock had Jones to the Pats at 28. Granted there's a pretty big jump between 28 and 12, but if the middle of this class is as fluid as it seems to be, that might just be moving from the back end of a tier to the front.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
That whole 2nd round for WRs was odd at the time (IIRC), guys like Devon Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, DeSean Jackson and Limas Sweed were thought to be the cream of the crop, were passed to a degree by Avery, Jordy Nelson and Jerome Simpson)...yet, besides Jackson, they were the right moves.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think Hill's a great example. Before the combine he was considered a mid-round pick - he was given 'no chance' of being a high pick by the draft evaluation board when Hill asked for a grade before he declared.
But he shocked with a 4.36 at the combine and looked really smooth catching the ball so everyone went back and did their homework on a guy they just hadn't been paying attention to before because he played in a fluky offense and had only 47 catches over the last couple years.
I look at that as a good process, not a bad one. It's not like the guy can't catch and just ran fast - he was super productive with the passes he did get at Tech.
He's high risk, but he might also exactly the kind of player you hope to find in the early rounds - someone that can help you win games. Role players and guys who can occupy a spot on the field are always available as FA or late in the draft. And there just aren't very many hyper-talented guys with no risk, so you might as well swing big after they're gone. Give me Hill over a career WR2 like Randle any day.
But he shocked with a 4.36 at the combine and looked really smooth catching the ball so everyone went back and did their homework on a guy they just hadn't been paying attention to before because he played in a fluky offense and had only 47 catches over the last couple years.
I look at that as a good process, not a bad one. It's not like the guy can't catch and just ran fast - he was super productive with the passes he did get at Tech.
He's high risk, but he might also exactly the kind of player you hope to find in the early rounds - someone that can help you win games. Role players and guys who can occupy a spot on the field are always available as FA or late in the draft. And there just aren't very many hyper-talented guys with no risk, so you might as well swing big after they're gone. Give me Hill over a career WR2 like Randle any day.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Streeter's the same prospect and should be available much later, likely round 3 and may linger into Saturday.Hill anytime before round 3 would be silly. Although I'm not defending Randle either, there just really aren't any exciting WR prospects imho after the top 3. If you don't get any of them I'd just sit back and see who's still there in rounds 3 and 4.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Agree that Streeter is similar in some ways - he reminds me more of James Hardy or a bigger Chris Henry, except he's also faster. Which should add up to something with a ton of potential. Like Hill.Here's the problem though... Streeter wasn't thrown the ball for different reasons than Hill. Tech runs a really goofy offense (from a pro perspective, not commenting on its quality) and even Thomas didn't put up big numbers there. But Miami could really have used a #1 and didn't get Streeter the ball. And now the scouts have looked at him and decided that he's a later round guy as well. With his size and speed he's not exactly flying under the radar or anything - and the scouts don't like him. (It doesn't matter why, but probably due to his hands and his overly lanky frame creating problems getting off the line - but those are just guesses based on what I'm reading). If Streeter could really play he wouldn't be rated so poorly (or he'll be drafted much earlier than he's currently projected). They just don't miss on many guys like him and if there weren't problems he wouldn't be so poorly considered.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I think you're focusing way too much on the negatives about STreeter and not paying enough attention to the potential negatives with Hill.I don't dispute anything you wrote about Streeter, I agree with most of it, but it ignores all of the same ?'s with Hill. Citing Demaryius Thomas' numbers in the same offense as the reason is just a cop out. The tape on Thomas is much, much better than Hill - there was reason to believe he could transition. There is no reason to believe Hill can.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Looking forward to teams taking players higher than the idiot media expected. Then we either see douches like McShay say he had the guy higher on his radar than he actually led on 
or they'll be defiant and flat out say it was a bad pick when they really know very little at all about players and how they fit a team.
I think a good example was when Jacksonville picked Tyson Alualu 10th overall in 2010. Gurus were either slamming the pick or acting as if they knew all about it and Alualu was actually better than the media was letting on.
or they'll be defiant and flat out say it was a bad pick when they really know very little at all about players and how they fit a team.I think a good example was when Jacksonville picked Tyson Alualu 10th overall in 2010. Gurus were either slamming the pick or acting as if they knew all about it and Alualu was actually better than the media was letting on.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What always baffled me about that pick is if Jacksonville wanted him so badly then why didn't they trade down, it's not like he was going to fall off the board in the next few picks.Finding a surprise like Alualu is what makes teams better, but not that early. If they were that high on him they should have gone back, added more picks, then snatched him up.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Do you know they didn't try to?
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
WR DeVier Posey
MAC_32
Footballguy
For all of the dumb things Mangini did in that infamous draft him trading down from 17 to 21 and only recouping two 6th round picks was the smart move if Alex Mack was at the top of his board. He knew he could get him later, so he took whatever he could get and moved back.At pick 10 you couldn't begin to convince me Jacksonville couldn't have at least gotten something for the pick. Not to mention the contract savings by moving back. Them just picking Alualu tells me they didn't try to move back or they didn't get a trade offer they liked and just took their BPA. Either way they did it wrong.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well. Okay.
identikit
Footballguy
Nice one.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
I think Joe Long, Jake's brother, can go as high as the second round although he's from a small school, Wayne State.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
They really don't miss on 4.4 guys with his size very often.OTOH... I had Denarius Moore #2 on my WR list last pre-draft last year, but dropped him in the post-draft rankings and didn't draft him in fantasy after he was ignored by the NFL. And Streeter does have a decent profile, so maybe I'll regret deferring to draft position again. They do miss sometimes.But if Hill is drafted between 30 and 40 I think the odds are that he's got a bright future.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Part of my point is the Media doesn't have much of a clue, and neither do we. There's no promise whatsoever that Alualu would be on the board if they traded down, despite what Mel, McShay, or any other "guru" says. Was Alualu a surprise, or was he a surprise to the media?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
You think he will shoot up draft boards? I could see it. I think he is very underrated at the moment.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Wow. Check ME out!'Andy Dufresne said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
There are lots of misses on 'measurables' WR's early in drafts. Usually the misses are because they're drafted due to just their measurables. Measurable guys are mid-later round picks, there are very few exceptions imho, and Demaryius was one of them because of the skills he displayed on the rare times he did get the ball thrown his way.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Based off my post draft readings I believe he was more of a surprise to the media than other NFL teams BUT the general feeling was that no one was going to look at him until late in the 1st. No one was looking at him that early.
