Outrage grows after South Carolina officer throws student in classroom (1 Viewer)

[The Commish]

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WTF? What could possibly have happened just before this to justify that sort of dooshbaggery??

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

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WTF? What could possibly have happened just before this to justify that sort of dooshbaggery??

She flicked him in the nut?

 

[Thunderlips]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

 

[The Commish]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

 

[glvsav37]

its been a while since i've been in high school...but when did we reach the ponit of having these types of security officers in the school. I read that he was 'arresting' her....rteally? Have kids become such douchebags that we need to make arrests on students now??

 

[Ookie Pringle]

She was asked to leave the room by her teacher. When she refused an administrator was called in and asked her to leave. She refused and Officer Fields was called in, asking her the same thing.

What he did was very wrong and not justified. Why didn't that student listen to her teacher, the administrator and then the officer?

 

[timschochet]

It's almost like a Looney Tunes cartoon the way she gets flipped twice like that.

 

[Cjw_55106]

its been a while since i've been in high school...but when did we reach the ponit of having these types of security officers in the school. I read that he was 'arresting' her....rteally? Have kids become such douchebags that we need to make arrests on students now??

I didnt grow up in a great part of town, but we first had oficers in the school starting in the early 90's.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Refused to leave the class room and report to the principals office.

Guessing she also didn't listen to the officer that was called to the scene.

 

[The Commish]

She was asked to leave the room by her teacher. When she refused an administrator was called in and asked her to leave. She refused and Officer Fields was called in, asking her the same thing.

What he did was very wrong and not justified. Why didn't that student listen to her teacher, the administrator and then the officer?

Probably because she's a brat kid....and now her family's gonna get paid for it.

 

[glvsav37]

Refused to leave the class room and report to the principals office.

Guessing she also didn't listen to the officer that was called to the scene.

go get a car jack from auto shop class and a flat dolly from custodial or cafeteria staff, and jack her unmoving ### up still in the seat and wheel her down to the principal....then stuff her suspension notice in her bag and wheel her out to the parking lot...she can sit in her seat all night if she wants out there.

(this is sarcasm...just saying)

 

[Godsbrother]

Maybe I am getting desensitized to these things but it didn't look that bad to me. Sure the kid got flipped over but she wasn't obeying the officer's instructions when asked repeatedly.

 

[Thunderlips]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

I have to imagine that's there more.

 

[comfortably numb]

I went to school in Newark NJ.

I would say more than a 3rd of the kids in each of my class deserved this at one time or another.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop? This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Maybe I am getting desensitized to these things but it didn't look that bad to me. Sure the kid got flipped over but she wasn't obeying the officer's instructions when asked repeatedly.

Same here. I'm assuming that the student was asked to get out of her desk and refused. (If that assumption is wrong, of course that changes things). So the officer removed her from the desk and arrested her. I'm sure lots of arrests with non-compliant arrestees look a lot worse than that one.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

the instructor had asked the student "to leave the class several times."

He should have shot her in the face.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Chick just won the lottery... I'm outraged this never happened to me. She should've milked the injuries more, I'm sure she'll still see at least 6 figs from this even with no injuries.

 

[Doug B]

She was asked to leave the room by her teacher. When she refused an administrator was called in and asked her to leave. She refused and Officer Fields was called in, asking her the same thing.

What he did was very wrong and not justified. Why didn't that student listen to her teacher, the administrator and then the officer?

Well ... if the officer was indeed absolutely in the wrong, all a recalcitrant student needs to do going forward is take non-compliance to the point where the officer makes a mistake.

I dunno ... viscerally, I could personally cope with living in a land with an extraconstitutional police force EXCEPT that such police forces seem to necessarily turn a nation into North Korea every time. So, from an academic sense, I accept that police have to follow codified rules. Just don't know what to suggest in cases like the one in this video. Have a second officer come in and help carry the desk and student out? Delay the punishment somehow (let the student stay put, but then administratively expel her at the end of the day)? Have the entire rest of the class leave, teacher too, so that the class could've been resumed elsewhere in the school ... essentially leaving the student in police custody in that same classroom?

Trying to think this through, but I am lacking imagination here. Seems the student wins the confrontation every time that the police does not go out of bounds.

 

[fantasycurse42]

the instructor had asked the student "to leave the class several times."

He should have shot her in the face.

This is excessive, a taser would've worked just fine.

 

[Doug B]

its been a while since i've been in high school...but when did we reach the ponit of having these types of security officers in the school. I read that he was 'arresting' her....rteally? Have kids become such douchebags that we need to make arrests on students now??

I don't know if police are needed or not, but school officials seem to believe so. I know teachers don't have the sway over a classroom they had when I was a kid. Seems that, very very generally, kids are much more authority-averse these days.

 

[(HULK)]

Very inappropriate response by the "officer".

 

[Cjw_55106]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

I cant speak for this case, but the officers at my high school were legit cops. They were not uniformed, but they had their gun and badge on their belts and came to the school every morning in a police cruiser.

 

[Doug B]

Maybe I am getting desensitized to these things but it didn't look that bad to me. Sure the kid got flipped over but she wasn't obeying the officer's instructions when asked repeatedly.

I wonder if the officer instead had pushed her desk to the exit door and pushed out into the hallway ... I dunno. Would've been tiring and frustrating, and might have led to the student striking him and leading to a situation where he had no good recourse.

Police officers typically HATE having their authority negated like that.

 

[Hov34]

So what do you do when a student won't comply?

I'm asking for Tanner.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

He is a deputy with the Richland County Sheriff's Department.

 

[matttyl]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

The security officer at my high school was in fact a county deputy. He actually voluntarily took a demotion in order to accept the position. He'd been a deputy for over a decade.

 

[JaxBill]

That police officer should be embarrassed.

We had nuns that were much more effective in grabbing us by the ear or back of neck and dragging us to the principal's office.

 

[El Floppo]

So what do you do when a student won't comply?

I'm asking for Tanner.

cat gif is usually the answer.

 

[Doug B]

We had nuns that were much more effective in grabbing us by the ear or back of neck and dragging us to the principal's office.

That's not allowed anymore, either. Y'know ... since teachers can't apply force anymore, and students well know it ... it does make sense for some schools to have deputies on the grounds.

But the fundamental issue is that too many kids grow up not knowing how to deal with authority. Sure, authority figures can be full of bull, capricious, incorrect, etc. But dealing with all that (within reason in non-abuse situations) is an important life skill. And learning it as an adult, on the job or whatever, is way too late. People that cannot accept authority aren't long for the work force.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I'm O.K. with the amount of force. He did not strike or choke the student. He did not shoot or taze the student. He moved a non-compliant student into a position where she could be safely handcuffed. He did so only after several warnings were defied.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

He is a deputy with the Richland County Sheriff's Department.

What? 2nd job or was he officially working for the Sheriff's Dept?

 

[Warsteinner]

Just like the smart ### punk that got pulled over and shot, this kid got what was coming. Kids like this deserve the #### beat out of them.

 

[timschochet]

Since the sheriff's office is reviewing the case, I imagine the guy must be a full time employee.

 

[Doug B]

What? 2nd job or was he officially working for the Sheriff's Dept?

Here's what the CNN article says:

Some have defended the officer, many pointing out that the video isn't complete. It doesn't show what happened before, including what the student did and how many times authorities -- a teacher, a school administrator and finally the officer, Richland County Sheriff's Deputy Ben Fields -- had asked her to get up.

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For now, though, Fields is on administrative duties and won't return to Spring Valley High. And his boss, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, is determined to get to the bottom of what happened.

What's confusing is that this article also refers to Fields as a "school resource officer", which could lead people to assume he is not a badged police officer. Around here, the resource officers in high schools are straight-up legit policemen/women.

 

[Epic Problem]

Chick just won the lottery... I'm outraged this never happened to me. She should've milked the injuries more, I'm sure she'll still see at least 6 figs from this even with no injuries.

Think of all the tickets she'll be able to buy on Stubhub®!

 

[Fat Nick]

So what do you do when a student won't comply?

I'm asking for Tanner.

When I was in middle school (Early '90's), we had a girl who refused to get off the bus after she was told that she couldn't ride home with a friend....They brought another bus and put everybody else on that one, and just left her on the other bus until her parents came.

I guess they could've just moved the whole classroom elsewhere and left her in an empty room. Most kids would get bored quickly.

I agree though - kids these days seem a lot more aware of the fact that teachers and other authority figures have limits to which they can go. When I was a kid, we weren't as aware that a teacher couldn't just beat your ###.

 

[ffldrew]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

Actually he's the weight lifting assistant coach on football team

 

[pantagrapher]

What a tough guy. What a hero.

 

[timschochet]

I'm O.K. with the amount of force. He did not strike or choke the student. He did not shoot or taze the student. He moved a non-compliant student into a position where she could be safely handcuffed. He did so only after several warnings were defied.

I'm not OK with it. The student was unarmed and sitting there. The amount of force seemed awfully excessive. The amount of times the student was warned seems irrelevant to me because the student was not engaged in violent behavior herself and was not an imminent threat. There may be more facts coming that would change my mind. But from what I can see it seems clearly excessive.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

What? 2nd job or was he officially working for the Sheriff's Dept?

Here's what the CNN article says:

Some have defended the officer, many pointing out that the video isn't complete. It doesn't show what happened before, including what the student did and how many times authorities -- a teacher, a school administrator and finally the officer, Richland County Sheriff's Deputy Ben Fields -- had asked her to get up.

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For now, though, Fields is on administrative duties and won't return to Spring Valley High. And his boss, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, is determined to get to the bottom of what happened.

What's confusing is that this article also refers to Fields as a "school resource officer", which could lead people to assume he is not a badged police officer. Around here, the resource officers in high schools are straight-up legit policemen/women.

Did not know that, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Must have been a black kid as there's a ton of suburbanite, Type A meatheads on FB clamoring that the cop did nothing wrong and that the student showed the officer no respect.

If there's nothing else to the video......that's excessive.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take to negate this being excessive. Short of pulling a gun or threatening to blow up the school, there isn't much that would warrant actions like that on a student by a cop.

Cop?This was a security guard who probably doubles as the lunch lady.

Actually he's the weight lifting assistant coach on football team

How many jobs does this guy have? He doesn't even look Jamaican.

 

[Epic Problem]

I'm O.K. with the amount of force. He did not strike or choke the student. He did not shoot or taze the student. He moved a non-compliant student into a position where she could be safely handcuffed. He did so only after several warnings were defied.

I'm not OK with it. The student was unarmed and sitting there. The amount of force seemed awfully excessive. The amount of times the student was warned seems irrelevant to me because the student was not engaged in violent behavior herself and was not an imminent threat.There may be more facts coming that would change my mind. But from what I can see it seems clearly excessive.

And when she defiantly kept this crap up, for hours on end, you'd probably be pissed that someone didn't bring her dinner.

 

[Doug B]

I agree though - kids these days seem a lot more aware of the fact that teachers and other authority figures have limits to which they can go. When I was a kid, we weren't as aware that a teacher couldn't just beat your ###.

And even when the teachers couldn't/wouldn't get physical ... your parents would mete out consequences without fail (physical or non-physical). Point being, back then, parents sided with authority every single time -- for right or wrong.

 

[pantagrapher]

I'm O.K. with the amount of force. He did not strike or choke the student. He did not shoot or taze the student. He moved a non-compliant student into a position where she could be safely handcuffed. He did so only after several warnings were defied.

Yeah. I mean technically, if you pick a girl up and throw her on the ground and drive your knee into her back, you're not striking her.

 

[comfortably numb]

I agree though - kids these days seem a lot more aware of the fact that teachers and other authority figures have limits to which they can go. When I was a kid, we weren't as aware that a teacher couldn't just beat your ###.

And even when the teachers couldn't/wouldn't get physical ... your parents would mete out consequences without fail (physical or non-physical). Point being, back then, parents sided with authority every single time -- for right or wrong.

This is true.

When my mom got called into school by the principle. I started getting smacked all across the the principle office before I could even get my side of the story out.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

the instructor had asked the student "to leave the class several times."

He should have shot her in the face.

This is excessive, a taser would've worked just fine.

"worked"?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't know the answer - but what do you do when a student is non-compliant in that situation? It has to be something more than sit there and stare at each other - doesn't it? At some point that becomes an unfair distraction to the rest of the class(es).

Call for back-up, and pickup the student and the desk together?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I agree though - kids these days seem a lot more aware of the fact that teachers and other authority figures have limits to which they can go. When I was a kid, we weren't as aware that a teacher couldn't just beat your ###.

And even when the teachers couldn't/wouldn't get physical ... your parents would mete out consequences without fail (physical or non-physical). Point being, back then, parents sided with authority every single time -- for right or wrong.

This is true.

When my mom got called into school by the principle. I started getting smacked all across the the principle office before I could even get my side of the story out.

Yeah but it is the principal of the matter.

 

[Doug B]

I'm not OK with it. The student was unarmed and sitting there. The amount of force seemed awfully excessive. The amount of times the student was warned seems irrelevant to me because the student was not engaged in violent behavior herself and was not an imminent threat.

Your take is superficially reasonable. But what follows from that? How can an officer constitutionally and reasonably enforce compliance here?

Only thing I can think of it to evacuate the class, leaving the student and officer in the room and keep her detained until her parents came. But I'm at a loss in a lot of situations like these ... "recalcitrant person + cameraphone" seems to soundly trump "police officer + Constitution".