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P. Manning Owners You Starting or Sitting vs Tough KC Pass Rush? (1 Viewer)

Isn't Andy Reid undefeated (or close to it) coming out of a bye week?

Most anticipated game of the year... can't wait.
How many of those games did reid coach on the road against peyton manning? This game won't be close. Kc can't score with denver, it's that simple. Denver wins by 3 scores. Manning 350 and 4 tds. Another day at the office.
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He's 1-0 against Peyton Manning after a bye week. It was at home* though... Iggles picked off Manning twice.

I can see a Denver blowout. I can also easily believe a KC blowout. Both of these teams played such soft schedules so far it's hard to know what to think honestly.

 
Both these teams have played cupcake schedules to date. So now we get to see how good they really are. Maybe KC really does have the league's best defense despite facing a string of teams with losing records and backup QBs. Maybe they will hold Peyton to Alex Smith like numbers. But I doubt it.
Yep. KC was 2-14 last year so we knew they'd have one of the easier schedules. They haven't beaten anyone with better than a .500 record yet and the records of the teams they have played are a combined 30-55. Some of the QB's they've faced and their QB ratings? Gabbert 36, Fitzpatrick 83.4, Pryor 69, Keenum 105 but they got him in his 1st start and at home, Campbell 106 but they also got him in his 1st start and at home, Tuel 45 making his 1st start, Eli 68.5, Vick 86.5 and Romo 98.3 who put up 298/1/0 on them. That's 7 out of 9 QB's who are backups or have lost their starting jobs, 2 of which were making the 1st start of their careers and 1 his first start of the year, plus Eli who's been one of the worst QB's in the league this year.I'm not saying they're not a really good defense but we'll see how good shortly when they play Manning the Greater twice, Rivers twice, RGIII and Andrew Luck. Of course now they possibly luck out yet again and get a potentially hobbled Manning, but we'll soon see.
This is wrong. They play the exact same teams as the Broncos, Chargers, and Raiders except for 2 games.
Well as it turns out they all made out pretty good by drawing the AFC South, but look at the difference in the 2 teams. KC, by way of their 2-14 record, gets Cleveland who were 5-11 and Buffalo who were 6-10 and Denver gets the Super Bowl champ Ravens and the 13-3 Patriots! SD gets Cincy/Mia, and Oakland gets NYJ/Pit.Did KC get the easier schedule? Umm....yes.

EDIT: And not only did they get Cleveland and Buffalo, they get them with backup QB's, and you could possibly say 3rd string QB's.
Pure luck it isn't based on where you finished the year before.

There schedule has been great for them no doubt, but it has nothing to do with last year. Even if it did who cares since when can anyone predict the future. Who would have thought the Giants, Steelers, Redskins, and Falcons would be this bad. Who would have thought the Lions, Chiefs, Jets, and Panthers would be this good?
Dragon is actually correct. For anyone interested, the schedule does have a bit to do with the last year's performance:(via via NFLCommunications.com):

Two intraconference games based on the prior years standings (2 games). These games match a first-place team against the first-place teams in the two same-conference divisions the team is not scheduled to play that season. The second-place, third-place, and fourth-place teams in a conference are matched in the same way each year
Ok so I didn't phrase it perfectly. I forget when it was changed but teams used to have last place schedules and the NFL changed it so all the teams in the same division would have the same schedule minus 2 games. Even then it doesn't matter who had last place schedules.

Since when can the NFL predict the future for the 2 different games. Last place teams last year that are on first right now Eagles, Lions, Chiefs, and I believe the Saints tied for last in their division. Playoff teams that stink this year Texans, Ravens, Vikings, Redskins, and Falcons.

I wasn't killing the guy that posted it. The Chiefs have had a soft schedule, and have gotten some luck with quarterbacks, I just was correcting the myth some people still believe that their are last place soft schedules.
I believe my exact words were "KC was 2-14 last year so we knew they'd have one of the easier schedules"

And nice backpedaling BTW. I believe your exact words were "Pure luck it isn't based on where you finished the year before" So instead of saying 'whoops, sorry I guess I was wrong' you turn it around and try to imply you were actually correcting me?! Hmmm..... :shrug:

And if you don't think you can predict the future pretty well in the NFL, well let's say maybe there are some flukes but overall I think it's pretty safe in most cases.

Let's see, KC gets Cleveland and Buffalo who have gone 23-57 and 29-51, respectively, since 2008 with no playoff appearances. In fact, Cleveland hasn't finished better than 5-11 during that time and Buffalo has been sub-.500 during the same time period. Denver gets Baltimore who has gone 54-26 since 2008 and won at least 1 playoff game every one of those years (plus won a SB) and New England who has gone 70-26 since 2007, made the playoffs every year except one (when they missed it going 11-5 BTW) and been to 2 SB's. And now this year Cleveland and Buffalo are a combined 7-12 (surprise, surprise) and Baltimore/New England are a combined 11-7.

As for Cincy/Mia for San Diego and NYJ/Pit for Oakland, they fit somewhere in between the 2 extremes of the 1st place and last place finish but still pretty predictable.
I phrased it wrong give me a break. Go play internet tough guy some where else.

You did say "KC was 2-14 last year so we knew they'd have one of the easier schedules" but you have the wrong part bolded. You are saying you knew they would have an easy schedule because they were a last place team last year and it isn't true, and even if it was no one knows how good or bad teams are going to be year to year.

Finally go troll else where, I said it earlier and I will say it again. I was just trying to correct a mistake. If you look back I actually agreed with you several times that they had an easy schedule. Since you have a hard time seeing or only see what you want too I will help you out.

GO BE A TOOL SOME WHERE ELSE!!!
One thing I've learned is that when you make a fool out of yourself in a post just let it die and everyone will forget about it. If you perpetuate it, people will remember. My advice...let it die.

And I didn't bold the wrong part. "We knew" because the last place team gets the the easier matchups....lol! Hoss quoted the rule, "Two intraconference games based on the prior year’s standings (2 games). These games match a first-place team against the first-place teams in the two same-conference divisions the team is not scheduled to play that season. The second-place, third-place, and fourth-place teams in a conference are matched in the same way each year". In case you can't decipher that, it means since KC was the last place team they face the last place teams in "the two same-conference divisions the team is not scheduled to play that season". In this case the AFC East and AFC North where KC gets the LAST PLACE TEAMS in those 2 divisions (Buffalo and Cleveland) and Denver gets the 2 FIRST PLACE TEAMS (New England and Baltimore).

In conclusion, you are the troll not me! You replied to ME dissing ME about MY post (several times). How does that make me the troll? I'm just defending my original post, which was spot on correct.

 
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KC defense is awesome. But let's not forget that Brian hoyer (or whoever the Cleveland qb was that week) and case Keenum lit them up. They can be had. And Peyton is going to get the ball out pretty quickly all game. The broncos are not going to let him sit back there and get slaughtered by the best defensive line in football. The ge plan will be filled with quick outs, dump offs to RBS, and the occasional deep pass.

I have boh Peyton and KC defense and I'm sitting KC. I think Peyton gets the better of this matchup.

 
I never dissed your original post, ever. As a matter of fact I agreed with your post except that one part. Then you got all butt hurt because I thought you were referring to the old NFL schedule which had a lot more then 2 different games for each team in each division, and you were referring to this version of the schedule.

I then agreed with your post again, and said I wasn't killing you on your post, then you all crabby again. Then I pointed out to you that different games doesn't always make it an easier schedule, for example the teams that get Philly, Detroit, Kansas City, New Orleans are supposed to be getting last place teams.

Then you come back again trying to ride your high horse and tell me how to post, when you completely failed at reading comprehension and can't handle when people see things differently. Either way I am done with you. I am actually here to help others and try to keep things civil, even though I sometimes get caught up with whiners like you!

 
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Do we have to sacrifice a small animal to get the Mods to part the clouds and peer down here? Of course, that's assuming there are Mods that look at threads that they don't actually post in. Hell, they should give some long-timers Mod powers here. Guys who don't say much but know what should or shouldn't be in the Pool.

Here's to hoping they delete my post, along with the others.

 
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If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.

 
If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.
On that note... let's throw down some predictions here for Peyton and Russell Wilson (assuming 4 pts for TD pass).

I'll go 18 for Manning... 26 for Wilson (thinking a somewhat conservative gameplan for DEN and a Seahawks beatdown of the Vikes).

 
If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.
On that note... let's throw down some predictions here for Peyton and Russell Wilson (assuming 4 pts for TD pass).

I'll go 18 for Manning... 26 for Wilson (thinking a somewhat conservative gameplan for DEN and a Seahawks beatdown of the Vikes).
I'll take that - but flip it. :)

 
Do we have to sacrifice a small animal to get the Mods to part the clouds and peer down here? Of course, that's assuming there are Mods that look at threads that they don't actually post in. Hell, they should give some long-timers Mod powers here. Guys who don't say much but know what should or shouldn't be in the Pool.

Here's to hoping they delete my post, along with the others.
Maybe that approve of the conversation.

 
Eh, Manning will get his but I expect his worst game of the season b/c Denver will run the ball a lot more than normal to protect him. Good game just not the monster numbers were used too!

 
Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
We'll find out soon.

 
If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.
On that note... let's throw down some predictions here for Peyton and Russell Wilson (assuming 4 pts for TD pass).

I'll go 18 for Manning... 26 for Wilson (thinking a somewhat conservative gameplan for DEN and a Seahawks beatdown of the Vikes).
A shame I didnt see this earlier, Peyton could have Wilson by halftime. Good thread though.

 
If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.
On that note... let's throw down some predictions here for Peyton and Russell Wilson (assuming 4 pts for TD pass).

I'll go 18 for Manning... 26 for Wilson (thinking a somewhat conservative gameplan for DEN and a Seahawks beatdown of the Vikes).
A shame I didnt see this earlier, Peyton could have Wilson by halftime. Good thread though.
Russell outscored Peyton.

 
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Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
Peyton reached 20 by .15 points.

 
Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
Peyton reached 20 by .15 points.
I got 'em for 14 in my work league, but it's 1 pt/25 yds (and -2 for the lost fumble).

 
Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
Peyton reached 20 by .15 points.
I got 'em for 14 in my work league, but it's 1 pt/25 yds (and -2 for the lost fumble).
I've got him as 17.8 points in my 6 pt passing league.

 
Wow, can't believe the way this thread took off.

My original thought, that it might be wise to start Wilson over Manning, based on the match ups and some other factors, did turn out to be a wise decision in retrospect.

I thank those that were able to discuss in a serious manner, even if you had differing views. I have been playing FF a long time and certainly understand the concept of "never sit your studs". But every once in awhile there is an exception to the rule.

Given the situation, Manning with gimpy ankles facing a tough KC pass rush, I thought it be a good move to sit Manning this one time for what appeared to be a better option in starting Russell.

 
Wow, can't believe the way this thread took off.

My original thought, that it might be wise to start Wilson over Manning, based on the match ups and some other factors, did turn out to be a wise decision in retrospect.

I thank those that were able to discuss in a serious manner, even if you had differing views. I have been playing FF a long time and certainly understand the concept of "never sit your studs". But every once in awhile there is an exception to the rule.

Given the situation, Manning with gimpy ankles facing a tough KC pass rush, I thought it be a good move to sit Manning this one time for what appeared to be a better option in starting Russell.
It was a wise decision like playing roulette is a wise decision. Lucky decision? Ok, I'll take that.

 
Wow, can't believe the way this thread took off.

My original thought, that it might be wise to start Wilson over Manning, based on the match ups and some other factors, did turn out to be a wise decision in retrospect.

I thank those that were able to discuss in a serious manner, even if you had differing views. I have been playing FF a long time and certainly understand the concept of "never sit your studs". But every once in awhile there is an exception to the rule.

Given the situation, Manning with gimpy ankles facing a tough KC pass rush, I thought it might be a good move to sit Manning this one time for what appeared to be a better option in starting Russell.
It was a wise decision like playing roulette is a wise decision. Lucky decision? Ok, I'll take that.

I guess you could say that regarding all of FF...it's pretty much luck.
 
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Wow, can't believe the way this thread took off.

My original thought, that it might be wise to start Wilson over Manning, based on the match ups and some other factors, did turn out to be a wise decision in retrospect.

I thank those that were able to discuss in a serious manner, even if you had differing views. I have been playing FF a long time and certainly understand the concept of "never sit your studs". But every once in awhile there is an exception to the rule.

Given the situation, Manning with gimpy ankles facing a tough KC pass rush, I thought it might be a good move to sit Manning this one time for what appeared to be a better option in starting Russell.
It was a wise decision like playing roulette is a wise decision. Lucky decision? Ok, I'll take that.

I guess you could say that regarding all of FF...it's pretty much luck.
Some decisions more so than others.

 
If we were bull####ting in a bar I would've slugged someone by now. With a bat. Now the two of yas go home and get your ####### shineboxes.
Lol, you know what happens when you tell some to go get their shinebox!
;) Both finished with 20 in my league. Surprising second half, but good for the guys who had the balls to sit Peyton I guess. Still don't agree with it. :)
No reason this thread has to die already...

Peyton going into NE next week... may be w/o Welker... probably have to score more points (do more work in the pocket)... although I guess he's pretty much a lock to outscore Russell Wilson in week 12! :P

 
Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
Peyton reached 20 by .15 points.
Yes he did. Of course, he missed a wide open Decker which would have given him his 2nd TD, but thems the breaks.

It looks like it worked out this time, but I would still play Peyton 10 times out of 10 over Wilson in similar situations. But congrats on the Wilson start. Glad it worked out.

 
Did anyone ever say he can't bench Peyton for Wilson if he thinks that's the smart play? We just disagree on whether it's the smart play. I really don't even see an upside to starting Wilson. Peyton is probably going to have a better game and has the higher upside. But, of course there's a chance Wilson could outscore him. If someone had benched Calvin Johnson for Tavon Austin last week, that would have worked out - but it doesn't mean it was the wise decision.
Depends on the needs of your team. If you need 20-25 points to win then you can go with Russell and be fairly confident that he'll get that. If you need 30+ then you go with Peyton. I think there are a lot of factors working against Peyton this week and Russell with an easy matchup could be the right call.
Are you saying Wilson is a better bet to get 20-25 points than Peyton is? That's crazy talk.

Wilson hasn't reached 20 points 5 times this year. Peyton hasn't reached 20 once. I mean, heck, Peyton averages 13 points a game more than Wilson. The chances that Wilson gets 20 and Peyton doesn't are pretty slim.
Peyton reached 20 by .15 points.
Yes he did. Of course, he missed a wide open Decker which would have given him his 2nd TD, but thems the breaks.

It looks like it worked out this time, but I would still play Peyton 10 times out of 10 over Wilson in similar situations. But congrats on the Wilson start. Glad it worked out.
Yeah, I guess you could say starting Wilson worked out if your fantasy game came down to a point and a half difference. But I agree, I start Manning 10 times out of 10 also. Anyone who started Wilson was just a touch away from losing out on an extra 6-10 pts. (If Manning hits Decker and Monte freakin' Ball doesn't run it in from 10 yds out).

So as originally thought by many here, best case for Wilson was going to be pretty equal to the low end of Manning at the risk of losing points.

Bottom line, on average when comparing Manning to Wilson, you get 14 more pass attempts and 12 more completions per game, 140 more passing ypg, 1.6 more passing TD's per game, which equals 10 or more fantasy ppg. depending on your format. Manning still got his 300+ passing yds by a long shot....he just barely missing out on the 1 TD that would have put him over the top.

 
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OK, here we go again... Manning still has the ankle, Welker has yet to be cleared, it's the Pat's in NE, and the weather looks like it couldn't have dialed up any worse... cold and very windy (40-50 mph gusts): http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/new-cold-blast-to-arrive-this-1/20149212

Will Peyton put up two clunkers in a row (evaluating him against his own 2013 standards)?

Anybody in a tough match-up this late in the season that can ill afford to take a potential hit at QB this week... and outside of leagues that award points for homefield advantage, Manning scored something in the range of 15-18 points last week... So will this week's game be higher, lower, about the same???

I'm guessing two dud's in a row. LOWER (but not by much)! :yes:

 
Manning went up against the top DT in the league and had 20 points. I can't believe it is even a thought to bench someone whose floor is that yet his ceiling is 70.

 
OK, here we go again... Manning still has the ankle, Welker has yet to be cleared, it's the Pat's in NE, and the weather looks like it couldn't have dialed up any worse... cold and very windy (40-50 mph gusts): http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/new-cold-blast-to-arrive-this-1/20149212

Will Peyton put up two clunkers in a row (evaluating him against his own 2013 standards)?

Anybody in a tough match-up this late in the season that can ill afford to take a potential hit at QB this week... and outside of leagues that award points for homefield advantage, Manning scored something in the range of 15-18 points last week... So will this week's game be higher, lower, about the same???

I'm guessing two dud's in a row. LOWER (but not by much)! :yes:
welker listed as probable:

Wes Welker probable Fri Nov 22, 02:13 PM

Denver Broncos WR Wes Welker (concussion) fully participated in practice Friday, Nov. 22, and is probable for Week 12.

Weather, again? sheesh

 
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OK, here we go again... Manning still has the ankle, Welker has yet to be cleared, it's the Pat's in NE, and the weather looks like it couldn't have dialed up any worse... cold and very windy (40-50 mph gusts): http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/new-cold-blast-to-arrive-this-1/20149212

Will Peyton put up two clunkers in a row (evaluating him against his own 2013 standards)?

Anybody in a tough match-up this late in the season that can ill afford to take a potential hit at QB this week... and outside of leagues that award points for homefield advantage, Manning scored something in the range of 15-18 points last week... So will this week's game be higher, lower, about the same???

I'm guessing two dud's in a row. LOWER (but not by much)! :yes:
welker listed as probable:

Wes Welker probable Fri Nov 22, 02:13 PM

Denver Broncos WR Wes Welker (concussion) fully participated in practice Friday, Nov. 22, and is probable for Week 12.

Weather, again? sheesh
Yeah, there have been some god awful NFL games as a result of terrible weather conditions.

Do you not remember the famous "sno-blower" game in Foxboro... or the "swamp bowl" in Pittsburgh... and many others. If the weather gets really sh***y... we've all seen 3-0, 6-3, 10-7 games.

Call your shot. If you think "2013 28 FPPG Peyton" is unaffected by this stuff... make the call.

 
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.

 
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.

 
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.
Sorry...I read the team/opponent stat backwards. If you take the Pats SOS (Sagarin ranks their SOS at 26) into consideration 16 is quite a few. 11 of the 16 passing TD's and only 4 of the INT's have come from the 4 top 12 QB's they've faced. Half the QB's they've faced are ranked between 22-33 with the remaining 1 QB ranked 17. The 4 top 12 QB's they faced are responsible for 50% of the yds, 69% of the TD's they've given up. So now they face the guy who's thrown 34 TD's and with the Pat's CB situation in the worst shape it's been all year? Another 300 yd day and 2-3 TD's for Manning.

 
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.
Sorry...I read the team/opponent stat backwards. If you take the Pats SOS (Sagarin ranks their SOS at 26) into consideration 16 is quite a few. 11 of the 16 passing TD's and only 4 of the INT's have come from the 4 top 12 QB's they've faced. Half the QB's they've faced are ranked between 22-33 with the remaining 1 QB ranked 17. The 4 top 12 QB's they faced are responsible for 50% of the yds, 69% of the TD's they've given up. So now they face the guy who's thrown 34 TD's and with the Pat's CB situation in the worst shape it's been all year? Another 300 yd day and 2-3 TD's for Manning.
It doesn't look like he going to get that but not for the reasons you mentioned.

 
cstu said:
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.
Sorry...I read the team/opponent stat backwards. If you take the Pats SOS (Sagarin ranks their SOS at 26) into consideration 16 is quite a few. 11 of the 16 passing TD's and only 4 of the INT's have come from the 4 top 12 QB's they've faced. Half the QB's they've faced are ranked between 22-33 with the remaining 1 QB ranked 17. The 4 top 12 QB's they faced are responsible for 50% of the yds, 69% of the TD's they've given up. So now they face the guy who's thrown 34 TD's and with the Pat's CB situation in the worst shape it's been all year? Another 300 yd day and 2-3 TD's for Manning.
It doesn't look like he going to get that but not for the reasons you mentioned.
Yeah...bizarre game and bizarre circumstances. The entire 1st H was negated due to New England turnovers and easy scores for Denver so with a 24-0 lead they just chose to kill clock. 73 passing yds for Manning until New England finally showed up sometime into the 2nd H, and then Denver still ran the ball an inordinate amount. They still ended up with over 430 yds of offense but unfortunately the 280 yd part was on the rushing side. Totally bizarro game.

EDIT: On a side note, Denver fantasy owners have to be loving that they lost which means maybe they'll actually have to remain competitive into the fantasy playoffs.

 
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I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.
Sorry...I read the team/opponent stat backwards. If you take the Pats SOS (Sagarin ranks their SOS at 26) into consideration 16 is quite a few. 11 of the 16 passing TD's and only 4 of the INT's have come from the 4 top 12 QB's they've faced. Half the QB's they've faced are ranked between 22-33 with the remaining 1 QB ranked 17. The 4 top 12 QB's they faced are responsible for 50% of the yds, 69% of the TD's they've given up. So now they face the guy who's thrown 34 TD's and with the Pat's CB situation in the worst shape it's been all year? Another 300 yd day and 2-3 TD's for Manning Brady.
There we go :pokey:

 
I don't see how this is a tough match-up. Especially with Talib slowed down by injury or possibly out. Cam Newton just hit them up for 3 TD passes and no INT's. They've given up 16 TD passes on the year which has to be near the top with only 7 INT's. Manning has plenty of options besides Welker. I think Manning has a pretty good game here.
The Pats have 12 INT's. The 16 TD's is exactly in the middle.
Sorry...I read the team/opponent stat backwards. If you take the Pats SOS (Sagarin ranks their SOS at 26) into consideration 16 is quite a few. 11 of the 16 passing TD's and only 4 of the INT's have come from the 4 top 12 QB's they've faced. Half the QB's they've faced are ranked between 22-33 with the remaining 1 QB ranked 17. The 4 top 12 QB's they faced are responsible for 50% of the yds, 69% of the TD's they've given up. So now they face the guy who's thrown 34 TD's and with the Pat's CB situation in the worst shape it's been all year? Another 300 yd day and 2-3 TD's for Manning Brady.
There we go :pokey:
Ha ha....yeah, that's what catch-up mode and 50 pass attempts will often get you. Even Flacco and Eli did it in their respective catch-up modes vs Denver. Heck, even McFadden had a TD pass against them in garbage time.

 

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