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For what it's worth this stems from something Payton said in interview or press conference: that when they went and got Betts it was because they knew he could pass protect..Even though he looked not great in preseason, I might add he might know a thing or two about holding onto the ball, especially in crucial third/fourth down tries to
ne other thing about Payton: even though it may take a while for a guy like Betts to learn the playbook, Payton will shape the playbook and gameplan to take advantage of a given player's menu of talents.Not trying to call you out, but I have all the preseason games on my DVR. Betts played in only two of them (Chargers and Titans) and looked pretty good to me, and the stats match up. Wondering how you came to this conclusion.
The sweet thing about picking up Betts is seeing the bidding war to get Ivory, and coming on to the SP boards and getting the knowledge at night and grabbing Betts for nothin. May all be for nothing. But it's part of the in-season fun.
It's ok, not a call-out, just a discussion.Well, I wasn't going to follow up on this, but since you asked...It wasn't the yards; it was what he did/not do with the holes/space given.When I said "Even though he looked not great in preseason" I was thinking in comparison to Ivory (because we're talking Betts vs. Ivory here, right?). Ivory took a pass and busted it for a long TD. I saw betts take a similar pass and get tripped up short of the 1st down. As a Saints fan (hey I could never get spoiled, believe me) I've gotten used to PT and Bush taking those passes in the flats and seeing definite first downs (Bush) and possible TD's (PT) stemming from those. Betts did not seem to fit that mold.Now, I'm not saying Betts is not a good FF play if he starts. I could see Thomas/Moreno/bye owners maybe evene picking him up Sunday if Pierre is out and starting him. My point was that Betts has some core fundamental skills outside of just running and catching the ball that make him worth starting to Payton.
Yea out of that bunch why not I guess. I still think I'd roll the dice on Ivory first, maybe he gets a goal line td
I started this thread with the questions; Is Thomas going to play and if not, who to target. My reasoning for assuming he is not going to play is that I've read the 100 some odd posts here and the vast consensus is that he will at best be very limited. My feeling that he wouldn't play if he had a bye coming up soon, is based on a coach not wanting to risk an injury with a chance to get your man two weeks of rest right around the corner. I don't know who you're referring to as the ignorant minions; the people who have taking the time to answer my post, have all seemed pretty knowledgeable. All my opinions on P. Thomas have come from this thread as I haven't seen really any news on him. This has been an interesting thread to me, from the beginning, when I was criticized for daring to ask the question if he is hurt, when he came back into the game; to now, for offering up that I didn't think he would play. A little hard to be called on the carpet every time I type something here. Well I don't have any more in depth analysis than whatever has already been posted, just that it doesn't look good. Then again, maybe I do but I don't want to get my head chopped off.
50 yards a game on the ground but 63 yards a game in the air.
And they are playing the Panthers at home which most expect will be a blow out. They will run the ball up big and even if PT plays I can see him being rested if the game gets out of hand.
If they want to keep Brees healthy, it will be Betts. All reports I have read is Ivory is terrible in pass protection. Perhaps that is why Betts is running with the first team in practice.JD8p said:
I expect Betts to play passing downs, and Ivory to grind it out...like I said, I think NO gets up quickly and attempts to see what Ivory has. I have read the same thing about Ivory being less than stellar in pass protection, but I tend to think that they will be throwing less this weekend.Now, if the Saints fall behind or the game is close, naturally that changes everything.
Took your advice.Thanks
He hasn't missed a game yet and everyone knew he wasn't getting extended. I think that's a little premature.
U starting him with confidence this week?
wow you must be pretty awesome at htis fantasy football thing to predict a rb to get hurt.heres my injury predictions fwiw:bestcharlesmathewsgoreturnerdeangelostewartronnierickyportisbradshawjacobsgreeneladanianbensonhillismendenhallbushmorenomcfaddenforsettbarberfelixaddaidonaldfosterchris johnsonpetersonfortejones drewricemcgahee
With Pierre and Bush in the game yes, but Bush runs WR routes and Pierre is the master of the screen. I highly doubt Betts gets many catches in this game, the plays normally going to Bush and Pierre will end up going to Moorebaconisgood said:
Yeah, we have a regular Nostradamus on these boards. Nice to know.
I'ms surprised Fred Taylor didn't make the list...
The things you bring up are a concern, but the following should offset it:1) The Saints are playing the Panthers this week. Every week so far this season, the Saints have played incredibly close games (vs. Vikings, vs. Niners, vs. Falcons). Because those games were so close, Payton put the ball in hhis best player's hand (Brees) to make plays for them. Do you really think they'll need that, though, in the latter part of the game against the Panthers? It's Clausen's first road game. Loud dome. I anticipate a comfortable lead that will allow the Saints to get back more to the balance they had last year, and ground-and-pound it later in the game.2) We don't know the extent of Brees' injury. He could be hurt more than the Saints are letting on. They may be eager to have Bress hand off the ball more to prevent unnecessary hits.Just a thought.ThePittbully said:
I sense you are a bitter PT owner.
Given who they play this weekend, I would sit him if you have a decent backup. Expect low production even if he plays.
And Finley.
thomas has played every game this season.
How bout S-Jax and all other RBs?
Well lucky for you, you just posted your question in a thread with more than a page dealing with that exact issue. Scroll up and read.
RB is a tough position to play. Bush was down on the ground when a defender pounced on his leg and broke it. Little he could do in that situation infact I imagine any RB would have had the same result regardless if you perceive them being made of glass or not. Who in your mind stands out as a RB who wouldn't become injured in this scenario?
