Which would NOT be simultaneous possession. If Jennings had possession first, Tate cant 'gain' possession after that. The ref on the broadcast explained it. Jennings had it in his possession, its immaterial that Tate LATER got both hands on the ball.
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Packers at Seahawks (3 Viewers)
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! 
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
If I were Ed Hochuli I'd be spending my money on hookers and blow tonight. REAL REFS BOUT TO GET PAID YO!
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Refs cost GB a game. No way Seahawks would have won this with real refs.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Good point. In that case, the simultaneous possession ruling isn't that egregious. That's virtually an impossible call to make live. I'm not sure the real refs would have called that part any differently.The missed PI on Tate is still inexcusable though.
I didn't think anything could get more absurd than last night. GB Goodell!Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
when have you EVER seen offensive pi on a hail mary? gruden was going on about it...the ex-ref they have with them said the same thing. i'll bet you see it a bunch from now on, but i can't remember a single time.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Hawks D took it to GB.... and at the end when it mattered most Wilson got the job done. Here come the Hawks!!! 
socrates
Footballguy
It was more of 'an arm under the football'Proper call is int
hugebearsfansinceforever
Footballguy
Not sure if it matters in the ruling but it looked like Tate was down first with hands on the ball. Jennings fell on top of him also with hands on the ball.
Marvin
Footballguy
How so? Can you please provide an example?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Don't watch then.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Mccarthy is saying the right things in his radio interview but is clearly shocked
footballnerd
Footballguy
having no dog in this fight.....this ending was way better than GB running out the clock. 
Hawks64
Footballguy
How often have you seen a WR shove a DB to the ground prior to the ball arriving in the past? That was as blatant an offensive PI that I have ever seen and it was missed. These guys are horrendous at best.
Prince Myshkin
Footballguy
what constitutes possession though? i thought when you were coming to the ground, you had to maintain throughout the entire process, which means he didn't have possession until the very end.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
In a night full of stupidity.....Hawks D took it to GB.... and at the end when it mattered most Wilson got the job done. Here come the Hawks!!!
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
OMG, clearly you're not watching the same game or you have a misunderstanding of what "possession" really means.
Neofight
Footballguy
Just to play Devil's Advocate (because I think that was a pick), when is the joint possession determined? That is, is the play judged by when the players land on the ground with their feet, when they touch their knee(s) to the ground, or when they come to a complete stop? Is this impacted by the going to the ground rule? I've no reason to believe it does, but it may impact who is deemed to have possession.
SantaRosaUte
Footballguy
Don't blame the refs. They were under the control of the Buffalo Wild Wings bartender.
bonesman
Footballguy
You guys are either BSing or are blind or are ######ed. On no planet is that a reception or "simultaneous possession". GD replacements.
solorca
Footballguy
What I mean is that he got his hand on the ball before Jennings established possession. At the time possession would have been established, Tate had both hands on the ball, just like Jennings.I actually lost a fantasy game because of that touchdown (I started the Packers defense), but personally, I think it was the right call.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Why? No offense, but while we can debate what the "right" or "wrong" call is, no one in FF should argue how it affects FF. Ironically though, that speaks volumes about what I have been saying all along is the problem with the replacement refs - validity of outcome. And if you can question that - why not everything else?That's a pretty slippery slope. And one that should not even be attempted in FF. The results are "official" - whether you or anyone else agrees with them.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
lol....ok. GB got it taken to them. GG, Go Hawks.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Agreed. If the #84 ref is indeed signaling timeout as if to indicate INT how the hell do they even determine "the original call on the field?"
flapgreen
Footballguy
All-time great username here.
VibeBox
Footballguy
i'm almost sad about this ending because what's gonna be lost behind it is the fact that the whole game was like this and the packers got handed the game many times over by bad calls before they got "robbed". this wasn't even a game
sho nuff
Footballguy
Other way around...Packer D pretty much controlled the Hawks except for the one big play.Hawks D was great and played great...but GB controlled the 2nd half.Hawks D took it to GB.... and at the end when it mattered most Wilson got the job done. Here come the Hawks!!!
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
What a travishamockery, even before Jennings had the obvious pick, tate clearly shoved (with both hands) Shields in the back. This game had some horrid calls, by far the worst I have seen so far and that went for both teams. What sucks is, even though the NFL can review this and say, yeah we F'd up, all the Packers get is an apology which doesn't mean jack and and L, which means a lot.
I will say this, Seattle is damn good, much better than I gave them credit for, you still should have lost this game, but I definitely see a 3 way race for the NFC west.
I will say this, Seattle is damn good, much better than I gave them credit for, you still should have lost this game, but I definitely see a 3 way race for the NFC west.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Here's the rule: NFL Rulebook, rule 8, section 1, article 3, item 5:If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.
sporthenry
Footballguy
But better than a kneel down in a Schiano game?having no dog in this fight.....this ending was way better than GB running out the clock.
Samuel L Bronkowitz
Footballguy
Ignoramus
Footballguy
If I know these refs, they had Ben Tate on their team and just got confused.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
The pi call on Sam shields is what cost the pack the game. Make that call and Seattle never gets close
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
McCarthy wussing out on the podium. I would be livid.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You are quite incorrect based on every angle of it and every official and rules guy that has looked at the play so far.
solorca
Footballguy
I agree with the missed PI call. That was terrible.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Steve Young's commentary here should be interesting.
What tie? The Hawks guy threw his arm over the ball after the ball had gone to the ground in the Packer players hands. Clear int. I have no dog in this fight as Dallas and Rams fan so I could care less who won. The wrong team won though. No way these refs stick around. That kind of stuff has an impact on playoffs. That was a high school crew trying to ref an NFL game. Embarrassing for the league.
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Pretty sure that isn't the rule- I guess 'control' might be a better word than possession (im paraphrasing the ref). If the above was true, any int in the endzone you must immediately jump on the guy and grab at the ball for an insta-TD. That cant be right.Edit- That being said, Jennings should have knocked that ball down and ended the game like DBs are trained to since peewee.
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