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Palmer out a year? CJ says maybe (1 Viewer)

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Emmitt Brown

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Saw this blurb in an e-mail from another site today...first I've read that anyone has mentioned that time frame.** Bengals WR Chad Johnson sat with ESPN's Dan Patrick on his radio show yesterday and they had this quick dialogue about Carson Palmer. If you blinked, you missed it. DP: "When's the last time you talked to Carson, how's his knee?" CJ: "Two days ago. He's rehabbing his knee. I don't know."DP: "Ok, so."CJ: "Experts say he's out for a year. He says he's coming back."

 
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While a QB should be able to come back fully from ACL reconstruction, and earlier than RB's and such, thinking it will happen that quick is ridiculous.Carson Palmer doesn't know what he's talking about.I won't be touching him, that's for sure.

 
If you pass on Palmer, your loss will be another's gain. He'll be worth a top 5 QB pick in redraft leagues.

 
LOL. Listening to Chad Johnson about anything is wrong, but about a medical condition??Baahahaha.

 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.

 
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An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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Not doubting its going to take more then 6 months to recover, but he tore 2 ligaments, not 3 that was Culpepper. Considering he had Surgery mid Jan, I could see him playing this year not the start of the season. He is a qb, not a rb,rbs come back the next year but not really back to 100% for 2 years. Palmer is not a scrambling qb either. I could see him return in Oct. Everyone heals differently, good thing is in most redraft leagues would should have plenty of info for those Aug drats.

 
but, by the same token, if/when he returns in a few months - why do we expect him to not have regressed some from not being as nimble or have the same legg strength? No, he was not a running QB. But, he was mobile enough not to take a ton of hits. With a bum knee, this might change.

 
but, by the same token, if/when he returns in a few months - why do we expect him to not have regressed some from not being as nimble or have the same legg strength? No, he was not a running QB. But, he was mobile enough not to take a ton of hits. With a bum knee, this might change.
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Excuse me, but I'm trying to make a bet here, thank you...
 
I would think that he should be able to play with a brace. However he could easily miss much of training camp. Which could very well affect his early season perfomance.

 
I hope they don't rush him. Sign a backup to take all the training camp reps & start the first few games. If Carson needs reps, he can go visit Henry in the slammer.

 
LOL. Listening to Chad Johnson about anything is wrong, but about a medical condition??

Baahahaha.
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And what does Carson F'n Palmer know about it? So far, all he knows is that the Doctors are wrong. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Well I'd rather here what a nornal human being says rather then a puppet like CJ.
 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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Shut up.
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I was joking, mostly.And gman's right. 6 months? Can't wait to see that.
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Heh, I thought you were thinking it was bad that I said a year. I'd be surprised if he plays in 2006 actually. However people can recover from an ACL in 6 months, but probably not enough to play demanding positions like RB and WR. As a QB there is a very slight possibility that he'll be back next year, but everything would have to go right in his rehab.
 
LOL. Listening to Chad Johnson about anything is  wrong, but about a medical condition??

Baahahaha.
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And what does Carson F'n Palmer know about it? So far, all he knows is that the Doctors are wrong. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Well I'd rather here what a nornal human being says rather then a puppet like CJ.
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Do you know what a puppet is? I think not.George Bush is a puppet. Chad Johnson is no puppet.

 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery.  People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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I know a girl that tore hers during soccer season and was ready by softball season.
 
I'm no doctor, but might it be easier for a QB to recover more quickly from an ACL tear than an RB (or WR)? RBs (and WRs) generally need to cut/shift direction more so than QBs, particularly for a stay-in-the-pocket type QB like Palmer.

 
I've been around a couple guys that have torn their ACLs. You can actually walk on it fine after you tear it even before surgery, you just can't cut on it.After surgery (about a month in) you're on krutches for no more than another couple months, and soon after that you're able to jog on it, a few months later run on it.The problem is lateral movement...cuts. That's why RBs and WRs have such a long recovery time. I didn't see a whole lot of the Bengals this year, but I'd imagine Palmer wasn't making very many sharp cuts..

 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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6 months is the average, I have seen 13 year old girls return to soccer (with all it's lateral agilities) in 5 months.
I've been around a couple guys that have torn their ACLs. You can actually walk on it fine after you tear it even before surgery, you just can't cut on it.

After surgery (about a month in) you're on krutches for no more than another couple months, and soon after that you're able to jog on it, a few months later run on it.

The problem is lateral movement...cuts. That's why RBs and WRs have such a long recovery time. I didn't see a whole lot of the Bengals this year, but I'd imagine Palmer wasn't making very many sharp cuts..
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They are traditionally on crutches for only a few weeks and are usually jogging and doing stairmaster type activities after 4 months.And regarding the 2 ligaments being injured....that is very common! Besides, the ligaments are replaced and they are not rehabed. Muscles are rehabbed after surgery, not ligaments. The length of recovery is strictly based on the players ability to rebuild muscle mass and re-learn how to utilize it in a functional manner.

Don't worry about Palmer guys....keep him ranked where you had him before the injury. He will be fine, sure a little rusty in the first few weeks maybe, but a stud the last 3/4 of the season IMO.

 
I'm no doctor, but might it be easier for a QB to recover more quickly from an ACL tear than an RB (or WR)?

RBs (and WRs) generally need to cut/shift direction more so than QBs, particularly for a stay-in-the-pocket type QB like Palmer.
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That's what I was wondering as well. You would think he wopuld have an easier time than RB's or WR's but then again I can't be sure. Every football has to make quick cuts to avoid rushers so that may be an issue.I did want to add this however, and that is everyone responds differently to injuries. Palmer has been known to be a quick healer (I read that somewhere when the injury happened) and it's clear that he is very determined to get back for game 1. What role will his determination play? I think it's very important and will get him back faster. I don't know if that means game 1 or not.

Do you guys remember TO coming back for the SB? No one thought he would or could do it. But clearly he's an example of what a difference the individual's determination can make. It's one of the good things he's done that's been overshadowed by all the bad. Sad really.

 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery.  People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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6 months is the average, I have seen 13 year old girls return to soccer (with all it's lateral agilities) in 5 months.
I've been around a couple guys that have torn their ACLs.  You can actually walk on it fine after you tear it even before surgery, you just can't cut on it.

After surgery (about a month in) you're on krutches for no more than another couple months, and soon after that you're able to jog on it, a few months later run on it.

The problem is lateral movement...cuts.  That's why RBs and WRs have such a long recovery time.  I didn't see a whole lot of the Bengals this year, but I'd imagine Palmer wasn't making very many sharp cuts..
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They are traditionally on crutches for only a few weeks and are usually jogging and doing stairmaster type activities after 4 months.And regarding the 2 ligaments being injured....that is very common! Besides, the ligaments are replaced and they are not rehabed. Muscles are rehabbed after surgery, not ligaments. The length of recovery is strictly based on the players ability to rebuild muscle mass and re-learn how to utilize it in a functional manner.

Don't worry about Palmer guys....keep him ranked where you had him before the injury. He will be fine, sure a little rusty in the first few weeks maybe, but a stud the last 3/4 of the season IMO.
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This is beyond hysterical. What a bunch of crap -- especially the first sentence. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery.  People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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6 months is the average, I have seen 13 year old girls return to soccer (with all it's lateral agilities) in 5 months.
I've been around a couple guys that have torn their ACLs.  You can actually walk on it fine after you tear it even before surgery, you just can't cut on it.

After surgery (about a month in) you're on krutches for no more than another couple months, and soon after that you're able to jog on it, a few months later run on it.

The problem is lateral movement...cuts.  That's why RBs and WRs have such a long recovery time.  I didn't see a whole lot of the Bengals this year, but I'd imagine Palmer wasn't making very many sharp cuts..
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They are traditionally on crutches for only a few weeks and are usually jogging and doing stairmaster type activities after 4 months.And regarding the 2 ligaments being injured....that is very common! Besides, the ligaments are replaced and they are not rehabed. Muscles are rehabbed after surgery, not ligaments. The length of recovery is strictly based on the players ability to rebuild muscle mass and re-learn how to utilize it in a functional manner.

Don't worry about Palmer guys....keep him ranked where you had him before the injury. He will be fine, sure a little rusty in the first few weeks maybe, but a stud the last 3/4 of the season IMO.
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This is beyond hysterical. What a bunch of crap -- especially the first sentence. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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are either of you doctors?
 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery.  People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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6 months is the average, I have seen 13 year old girls return to soccer (with all it's lateral agilities) in 5 months.
I've been around a couple guys that have torn their ACLs.  You can actually walk on it fine after you tear it even before surgery, you just can't cut on it.

After surgery (about a month in) you're on krutches for no more than another couple months, and soon after that you're able to jog on it, a few months later run on it.

The problem is lateral movement...cuts.  That's why RBs and WRs have such a long recovery time.  I didn't see a whole lot of the Bengals this year, but I'd imagine Palmer wasn't making very many sharp cuts..
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They are traditionally on crutches for only a few weeks and are usually jogging and doing stairmaster type activities after 4 months.And regarding the 2 ligaments being injured....that is very common! Besides, the ligaments are replaced and they are not rehabed. Muscles are rehabbed after surgery, not ligaments. The length of recovery is strictly based on the players ability to rebuild muscle mass and re-learn how to utilize it in a functional manner.

Don't worry about Palmer guys....keep him ranked where you had him before the injury. He will be fine, sure a little rusty in the first few weeks maybe, but a stud the last 3/4 of the season IMO.
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This is beyond hysterical. What a bunch of crap -- especially the first sentence. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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are either of you doctors?
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Nope, but I've had the surgery on both knees, and I know enough that no doctor/coach is welcoming Sally back to the field only 5 months after a TORN ACL. No way.Look, I'm not gonna get into it right now. Why don't you just put your money where your mouth is -- either one of you. I believe your assertion was a top 5 finish for Palmer. This other guy thinks he should not be downgraded AT ALL, and will be playing in week 1. Fine. Bet me.

We'll go by traditional scoring, or whatever. I can get a mod, or plenty of other trusting FBG's here, to hold the money.

 
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6 months is average??????????????Please name one (1) NFL player who returned to form six months after a torn ACL.

 
6 months is average??????????????

Please name one (1) NFL player who returned to form six months after a torn ACL.
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Jerry Rice played 14 weeks after tearing an ACL in 1997. Of course he shattered his kneecap returning that quickly.
 
6 months is average??????????????

Please name one (1) NFL player who returned to form six months after a torn ACL.
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Jerry Rice played 14 weeks after tearing an ACL in 1997. Of course he shattered his kneecap returning that quickly.
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Not sure I'd count that as "returning to form."
 
I'd love to see him forecast to come back around week 4 or 5, draft him in the 4th or 5th round, then a backup later to play the first 4-5 games (like the equivalent of a McNair).

 
Marvin Lewis was on WSCR in Chicago (broadcasting from the Super Bowl). He said Carson is expected back by the 2nd or 3rd preseason game....then again, it could be a 'smokescreen' prior to free agency and the draft.Hopefully Carson signed that contract that was agreed upon in late December.

 
Rod Woodson tore his ACL early (1st game?) in the '95 season and played in the Super Bowl. Now granted, he was in phenomenal physical shape so his was a rare case, but for those looking for examples there is 1.I personally don't see Palmer being 100% ready for the start of the season, since he tore all 3 ligaments and it was a devastating injury according to the doc. The saving grace is that his ability isn't predicated on his mobility. I would think he'll be rusty during training camp and early in the season because with a bum knee his conditioning (running, lifting, etc.) won't be up to speed. He might be on the field, but probably won't be lighting up the stat sheet. But if he rehabs properly, there's reason to think he will be a starting caliber fantasy QB for most of next season and a possible top-5 QB come playoff time.

 
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It is natural that doctors will be cautious. They follow the Scotty rule: "Always overestimate the time it takes, so that you look like a miracle worker when it's done sooner."It is natural that a competitive athlete will think that he can come back sooner, by dint of hard work, and also because he looks more like a hero.The truth lies in between.

 
It's not his back leg so I don't see why it would be a problem for him to be back for the first game. He is a pocket passer and throws off his other leg. If the ACL isn't perfect by then he might need to change how he drops back a little, but that isn't really a big deal.

 
An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery.  People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.
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When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.
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yeah you have. I can't recall who Faulk? Rice? but there's been a few gems that returned super fast. It was mentioned in an earlier thread.
 
I believe Carson has played a large percentage of his NFL career with a knee brace already.

 
Rod Woodson tore his ACL early (1st game?) in the '95 season and played in the Super Bowl. Now granted, he was in phenomenal physical shape so his was a rare case, but for those looking for examples there is 1.

I personally don't see Palmer being 100% ready for the start of the season, since he tore all 3 ligaments and it was a devastating injury according to the doc.
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Jerry Rice also shredded his knee and played that same year (even though he broke his kneecap in his comeback game). As for Palmer, it was only two ligaments (MCL and ACL). From the Bengals site:

Bengals QB Carson Palmer underwent an examination Tuesday in Houston for evaluation of his progress since his Jan. 10 knee surgery. The exam was conducted by Dr. Lonnie E. Paulos of Houston’s Methodist Sports Institute, who performed the January surgery on Palmer.

“Dr. Paulos has told us that Carson is progressing just as we hoped he would,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. “Carson still has much rehab work ahead, obviously, but at this point he is on schedule for our goal of having him ready to open the 2006 season. This is encouraging news for everyone in our organization.”

Palmer has returned to Los Angeles, where he has been doing rehabilitation work at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic. The Bengals medical and training staffs are overseeing his rehabilitation, and plans are for Palmer to shift his rehab base to Cincinnati at a date yet to be determined.

Palmer suffered two torn left knee ligaments (ACL and MCL) on the second Bengals offensive snap of the Jan. 8 Wild Card playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Paul Brown Stadium
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Rod Woodson tore his ACL early (1st game?) in the '95 season and played in the Super Bowl. Now granted, he was in phenomenal physical shape so his was a rare case, but for those looking for examples there is 1.

I personally don't see Palmer being 100% ready for the start of the season, since he tore all 3 ligaments and it was a devastating injury according to the doc. The saving grace is that his ability isn't predicated on his mobility. I would think he'll be rusty during training camp and early in the season because with a bum knee his conditioning (running, lifting, etc.) won't be up to speed. He might be on the field, but probably won't be lighting up the stat sheet. But if he rehabs properly, there's reason to think he will be a starting caliber fantasy QB for most of next season and a possible top-5 QB come playoff time.
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Once again he tore 2 ligaments.....it was Culpepper who tore all 3. Everyone heals differently. The advances in medicine for these types of injuries makes it hard to go back too far to see how any other player responded. I have a wait and see attitude, I want to see him come back and play in the pre-season.

I wouldn't take a bet either way at this point.

I just hope they don't rush him back, like I feel Pennington was rushed back. Palmer signed that long contract at the end of the year, so I have a feeling they maybe more patient with him.

Heh, they still have Krenzel on the roster... :D

 
Which knee? The one on the dominant (same as throwing arm) leg? If so, forget about this year, completely. Planting at the end of every drop and driving off of it on every throw is plenty of "cutting."

 
Rod Woodson tore his ACL early (1st game?) in the '95 season and played in the Super Bowl. Now granted, he was in phenomenal physical shape so his was a rare case, but for those looking for examples there is 1.

I personally don't see Palmer being 100% ready for the start of the season, since he tore all 3 ligaments and it was a devastating injury according to the doc. The saving grace is that his ability isn't predicated on his mobility. I would think he'll be rusty during training camp and early in the season because with a bum knee his conditioning (running, lifting, etc.) won't be up to speed. He might be on the field, but probably won't be lighting up the stat sheet. But if he rehabs properly, there's reason to think he will be a starting caliber fantasy QB for most of next season and a possible top-5 QB come playoff time.
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Once again he tore 2 ligaments.....it was Culpepper who tore all 3. Everyone heals differently. The advances in medicine for these types of injuries makes it hard to go back too far to see how any other player responded.
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Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
 
It is natural that doctors will be cautious. They follow the Scotty rule: "Always overestimate the time it takes, so that you look like a miracle worker when it's done sooner."

It is natural that a competitive athlete will think that he can come back sooner, by dint of hard work, and also because he looks more like a hero.

The truth lies in between.
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And where do you think that is?
 
Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
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Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.
 
It is natural that doctors will be cautious. They follow the Scotty rule:  "Always overestimate the time it takes, so that you look like a miracle worker when it's done sooner."

It is natural that a competitive athlete will think that he can come back sooner, by dint of hard work, and also because he looks more like a hero.

The truth lies in between.
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And where do you think that is?
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In the physical therapists hands
 
Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
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Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.
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Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
 
Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
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Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.
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Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.
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