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Panther Fans, what should we do with Pepp, Gross, and Delhomme? (1 Viewer)

laughinboy_2000

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I'd like to hear from the rest of Panther Nation on what we should do. I have a couple of things I'd like to see the Panthers do during the off-season. The top priority should be for the Panthers to franchise Pepp. It's clear he does not want to be in Carolina, but I don't see anyway the Panthers "release" him as he has requested. Here's my plan on all three players.

1. Release Jake, and it's not because of his playoff debacle against the Cards. It's because he's 34 and has one year left on his contract. The big reason though is because the Panthers save $6 million by releasing him. That would give room for the Panthers to resign Pepp and Gross. I also believe we don't need a "superstar" QB who can fling the ball. Just an effecient QB who can had the ball off to DWill and JStew. I think it may be time to look at Matt Moore as the Panther's QB.

2. Franchise Pepp, and then somehow pull a sign and trade deal to get a top first round pick and some extra cash. I honestly don't think we will see Pepp in a Panther uniform in 2009.

3. Sign Gross! Unlike Pepp, I believe Gross wants to be here. Gross is a monster on the O'Line, and we need him to continue opening up holes for DWill and JStew.

4. Fire that damn Defensive Coordinator. There's no excuse for how the defense played the last month. They were atrocious against the Cardinals, Giants, and Bucs just to name a few games.

5. Focus on defensive help via free agency or the draft.

I really think the Panthers are building something special in Carolina. But they need to make some changes to take the next step to a possible Super Bowl. I feel good about this team heading into the 2009 season! :goodposting:

Thoughts... :cry:

 
1. Release Jake, and it's not because of his playoff debacle against the Cards. It's because he's 34 and has one year left on his contract. The big reason though is because the Panthers save $6 million by releasing him. That would give room for the Panthers to resign Pepp and Gross. I also believe we don't need a "superstar" QB who can fling the ball. Just an effecient QB who can had the ball off to DWill and JStew. I think it may be time to look at Matt Moore as the Panther's QB.
Jake has leadership skills which can't easily be replaced. The team respects him, believes in him, and plays hard for him. Restructure and give him one more year, and try to figure out if Moore is the next in line or they can get an upgrade for the future in the draft or FA.
2. Franchise Pepp, and then somehow pull a sign and trade deal to get a top first round pick and some extra cash. I honestly don't think we will see Pepp in a Panther uniform in 2009.
Tricky situation with big cap implications, if he wants out and they franchise him, we could see a repeat of 2007. No idea where his head is right now. Give this one some time. If he wants out, try to deal him. Better to get something than nothing.
3. Sign Gross! Unlike Pepp, I believe Gross wants to be here. Gross is a monster on the O'Line, and we need him to continue opening up holes for DWill and JStew.
Agreed
4. Fire that damn Defensive Coordinator. There's no excuse for how the defense played the last month. They were atrocious against the Cardinals, Giants, and Bucs just to name a few games.
Since 2002, they finished in the top half of the league for points against every season, and have been top 10 4 of 7 years in that category. Not sure who they could get that is better. Also, stability in having Fox/Hurney/Trgovac during that time frame has been an asset IMO.
5. Focus on defensive help via free agency or the draft.
Agreed.
I really think the Panthers are building something special in Carolina. But they need to make some changes to take the next step to a possible Super Bowl. I feel good about this team heading into the 2009 season!
You should. However, the key factor for them has always seemed to be injuries. Under Fox, the team has performed well when the key players stay healthy. That's the one area which seems to be the difference maker for them from year to year.
 
Jake has leadership skills which can't easily be replaced. The team respects him, believes in him, and plays hard for him. Restructure and give him one more year, and try to figure out if Moore is the next in line or they can get an upgrade for the future in the draft or FA.
I love Jake a lot. He's done a lot for the Panthers. That being said, he's gotten older and the team needs to think about how they can loosen up money this off-season and sign Pepp and Gross. Jake didn't exactly set the league on fire this year. Again, this is more of a financial move and changes need to be made for the Panthers to improve in 2009.JMO.
 
Here's a good question. If the Panthers do a sign and trade deal with Pepp, how high of a draft pick would you offer to get a player like Pepp? I would think the Panthers could get at least a top 10 pick in this years draft and maybe more draft picks or another player.

 
Here's a good question. If the Panthers do a sign and trade deal with Pepp, how high of a draft pick would you offer to get a player like Pepp? I would think the Panthers could get at least a top 10 pick in this years draft and maybe more draft picks or another player.
For comparison purposes...
Kansas City Chief defensive end Jared Allen, the NFL's sack leader, was traded Wednesday to the Minnesota Vikings.

The Chiefs received the 17th overall pick in this weekend's draft, and a pair of third-round selections.
ETA, that Allen is 2 years younger than Peppers, and led the NFL in sacks with 15.5 when he was traded.Peppers turns 29 tomorrow, and was tied with Jared Allen with 14.5 sacks, good for 5th best in a high sack total year.

So assuming he could fetch something similar, the teams in the top 20 are:

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01. DET (0-16)02. STL (2-14)03. KCC (2-14)04. SEA (4-12)05. CLE (4-12)06. CIN (4-11-1)07. OAK (5-11)08. JAC (5-11)09. GBP (6-10)10. SFO (7-9)11. BUF (7-9)12. DEN (8-8)13. WAS (8-8)14. NOS (8-8)15. HOU (8-8)16. SDC (8-8)17. NYJ (9-7)18. CHI (9-7)19. TBB (9-7)20. DET (0-16) from DAL (9-7)
There are a number of teams on this list that need a guy like Peppers. Maybe someone as high as Denver makes the move. Maybe Detroit at #20 with the 1st it got from Dallas (it's 2nd 1st)...
 
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Jake has leadership skills which can't easily be replaced. The team respects him, believes in him, and plays hard for him. Restructure and give him one more year, and try to figure out if Moore is the next in line or they can get an upgrade for the future in the draft or FA.
I love Jake a lot. He's done a lot for the Panthers. That being said, he's gotten older and the team needs to think about how they can loosen up money this off-season and sign Pepp and Gross. Jake didn't exactly set the league on fire this year. Again, this is more of a financial move and changes need to be made for the Panthers to improve in 2009.JMO.
I don't disagree with you on the financial aspects which is why I can see a restructuring take place. Considering the Panthers ran for over 600 more yards and 23 :hophead: more TD's than they did in 2007, and Jake had his fewest passing attempts ever for a full season (fewer than he had in only 13 games of 2006, too), I can't really judge him soley on his numbers in 2008. He has a career QB rating of 85.1 and he was at 84.7 last year. Some games he looked real good, others, pretty bad. Not sure if he has lingering arm issues, either. Should be interesting to see how things play out. I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay and start, or them go in another direction.

Lots of interesting decisions to be made for them. Good thread topic btw.

 
Here's a good question. If the Panthers do a sign and trade deal with Pepp, how high of a draft pick would you offer to get a player like Pepp? I would think the Panthers could get at least a top 10 pick in this years draft and maybe more draft picks or another player.
Something similar to the Jared Allen trade with KC and Minnesota.
 
Peppers has stated he wants out.

Charlotte Observer
The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month," Peppers said in a statement released to ESPN through his agent, Carl Carey. "At this point in my career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football fieldTranslation: Just show me the money. I hope this guy gets signed by Detroit.

 
The Panthers have the option to put the franchise tag on Peppers and could force him to try to play for a one-year tender of $17 million.They also could franchise him and trade him to another team. The Minnesota Vikings aquired defensive end Jared Allen from Kansas City last year in exchange for a first-round pick and two third-roundders.
I was listening to Pat Kirwan yesterday and he estimated that the Panthers would be $5-6 million above the cap if they franchised Peppers. I am not sure how the Panthers can negotiate a trade for him if every GM in the league knows that they can't afford to keep him. I don't believe KC was in that situation last year. They just wanted to start the re-building process.
 
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Peppers has stated he wants out.

Charlotte Observer
The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month," Peppers said in a statement released to ESPN through his agent, Carl Carey. "At this point in my career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football fieldTranslation: Just show me the money. I hope this guy gets signed by Detroit.
If he really wants out, I have no idea why players don't handle things like this internally and insist on lobbying for a trade through the media. He is doing nothing but hurting his trade value thus lowing the chances of the Panthers actually trading him and giving Peppers what he says he wants.
 
I know Delhomme had a terrible game against the Cardinals, but he just finished arguably the best season of his career. And he's been a terrific playoff performer before this year. He should be better another year removed from TJ surgery, too.

 
I know Delhomme had a terrible game against the Cardinals, but he just finished arguably the best season of his career. And he's been a terrific playoff performer before this year. He should be better another year removed from TJ surgery, too.
Did you watch him play much this year?I live in NC and have seen most of his games and to me he looked pretty bad all year with a prolific running game and Steve Smith pulling Delhomme's duck and balloons out of the air making Delhomme's stats look much better than his play.He's a very good leader, but he's looked pretty "done" to me most of the year. Maybe another year of recovery will help, but at 35 years old, his body may not be in much of a mood to recover anymore.
 
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Here's a good question. If the Panthers do a sign and trade deal with Pepp, how high of a draft pick would you offer to get a player like Pepp? I would think the Panthers could get at least a top 10 pick in this years draft and maybe more draft picks or another player.
Something similar to the Jared Allen trade with KC and Minnesota.
I don't think so; Allen was 26, Peppers is 29 (at least, in a couple of hours). That's a significant difference, especially since Peppers had only 2.5 sacks a year ago. So all other things being equal, I'd expect him to go for a bit less on the open market.That said, this is the reverse of the Allen trade. KC was rebuilding while Carolina is in a win now mode. I'm not really sure they want draft picks in exchange for Peppers. It's certainly better than nothing, but when you trade a star for draft picks that's usually a sign that you're planning for two or three years down the road.
 
I know Delhomme had a terrible game against the Cardinals, but he just finished arguably the best season of his career. And he's been a terrific playoff performer before this year. He should be better another year removed from TJ surgery, too.
Did you watch him play much this year?I live in NC and have seen most of his games and to me he looked pretty bad all year with a prolific running game and Steve Smith pulling Delhomme's duck and balloons out of the air making Delhomme's stats look much better than his play.

He's a very good leader, but he's looked pretty "done" to me most of the year. Maybe another year of recovery will help, but at 35 years old, his body may not be in much of a mood to recover anymore.
I've heard a lot of people question delhomme's arm, but the numbers seem to go the other way. Not only did Delhomme lead the league in yards per completion -- a sign of a big play quarterback, if not necessarily an efficient one (although Delhomme was both) -- he also led the league in air yards, meaning he wasn't just throwing screen passes to Steve Smith.
 
I know Delhomme had a terrible game against the Cardinals, but he just finished arguably the best season of his career. And he's been a terrific playoff performer before this year. He should be better another year removed from TJ surgery, too.
Did you watch him play much this year?I live in NC and have seen most of his games and to me he looked pretty bad all year with a prolific running game and Steve Smith pulling Delhomme's duck and balloons out of the air making Delhomme's stats look much better than his play.

He's a very good leader, but he's looked pretty "done" to me most of the year. Maybe another year of recovery will help, but at 35 years old, his body may not be in much of a mood to recover anymore.
I've heard a lot of people question delhomme's arm, but the numbers seem to go the other way. Not only did Delhomme lead the league in yards per completion -- a sign of a big play quarterback, if not necessarily an efficient one (although Delhomme was both) -- he also led the league in air yards, meaning he wasn't just throwing screen passes to Steve Smith.
No. He was throwing floaters, ducks, and baloons. Down field passes but inaccurate ones that only someone with the "my ball" mentality and skills like Steve Smith could fight off the defender to get.Like I said, his stats were fine but many of those long receptions would have been TDs if the Panthers QB could get the ball to Steve Smith when he beats the defender rather then Smith having to find the ball that Delhomme chucks up to him.

Here, as in many cases, the stats don't tell the whole story.



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Delhomme leading the league in yards per completion and "air yards" are a credit to the Panthers' big play receiver helping out his QB.

 
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Jake has leadership skills which can't easily be replaced. The team respects him, believes in him, and plays hard for him. Restructure and give him one more year, and try to figure out if Moore is the next in line or they can get an upgrade for the future in the draft or FA.
I love Jake a lot. He's done a lot for the Panthers. That being said, he's gotten older and the team needs to think about how they can loosen up money this off-season and sign Pepp and Gross. Jake didn't exactly set the league on fire this year. Again, this is more of a financial move and changes need to be made for the Panthers to improve in 2009.JMO.
I agree with H.K., and for those who say Jake has looked bad all season, that is just bullhockey. I think it's reasonable to believe they will be looking for his successor in the very near future, but that person is doubtful to be in the starting lineup next season. Jake is a great leader, and it will be in the Panthers best interest (I think) to have someone learn under him next season. I don't know if that person is Matt Moore, or if it will be someone they draft or bring in.
 
I know Delhomme had a terrible game against the Cardinals, but he just finished arguably the best season of his career. And he's been a terrific playoff performer before this year. He should be better another year removed from TJ surgery, too.
Did you watch him play much this year?I live in NC and have seen most of his games and to me he looked pretty bad all year with a prolific running game and Steve Smith pulling Delhomme's duck and balloons out of the air making Delhomme's stats look much better than his play.

He's a very good leader, but he's looked pretty "done" to me most of the year. Maybe another year of recovery will help, but at 35 years old, his body may not be in much of a mood to recover anymore.
I've heard a lot of people question delhomme's arm, but the numbers seem to go the other way. Not only did Delhomme lead the league in yards per completion -- a sign of a big play quarterback, if not necessarily an efficient one (although Delhomme was both) -- he also led the league in air yards, meaning he wasn't just throwing screen passes to Steve Smith.
No. He was throwing floaters, ducks, and baloons. Down field passes but inaccurate ones that only someone with the "my ball" mentality and skills like Steve Smith could fight off the defender to get.Like I said, his stats were fine but many of those long receptions would have been TDs if the Panthers QB could get the ball to Steve Smith when he beats the defender rather then Smith having to find the ball that Delhomme chucks up to him.

Here, as in many cases, the stats don't tell the whole story.



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Delhomme leading the league in yards per completion and "air yards" are a credit to the Panthers' big play receiver helping out his QB.
I don't disagree that he's been helped out a ton by Steve Smith this year. That much is certainly true. But Muhammad also had a bounce-back year. Maybe with another QB the Panthers passing offense would be just as good, but maybe not.
 
I would guess that there are some serious questions among his team mates regarding Delhomme's perfomance in the playoff game. That was the worst playoff performance by a QB that I ever saw. Not sure how the other players could have a great deal of confidence in a guy that totally imploded against an average at best defense while playing at home.

The problem is who do you replace him with? This team is built to win now, so are they prepared to take a step or two back to go with a guy like Moore or another young guy?

 
I would guess that there are some serious questions among his team mates regarding Delhomme's perfomance in the playoff game. That was the worst playoff performance by a QB that I ever saw. Not sure how the other players could have a great deal of confidence in a guy that totally imploded against an average at best defense while playing at home.
Delhomme's guys know that he had a bad game. Those guys have been playing together for a long time, and they understand that sometimes you just have a bad game. He unforunately had the worse game of his career in the playoffs. In the past he has had some of the best games of his career in the playoffs. I doubt any of the Panthers have lost confidence in Delhomme.
 
Nobody has mentioned how much the Panthers save if they release Jake. I have no doubts that the team and coaches trust Jake. He had what I would say is an "OK" season. Seriously though, the Panthers need don't need a great QB to throw long bombs to Smittee. That's not what this team is about. They need an accurate QB who will limit his mistakes. Saving the six Mill will help in resigning Pepp and Gross. I really do feel Moore can be the guy to hand the ball off to JStew and DWill and then make the necessary throws when need be. Tough decision here, but with one year left on his contract and his age, and his injury history, the Panthers need to release him and work on making adjustments to the defensive side of the ball.

Good discussion going here. :goodposting:

 
Nobody has mentioned how much the Panthers save if they release Jake. I have no doubts that the team and coaches trust Jake. He had what I would say is an "OK" season. Seriously though, the Panthers need don't need a great QB to throw long bombs to Smittee. That's not what this team is about. They need an accurate QB who will limit his mistakes. Saving the six Mill will help in resigning Pepp and Gross. I really do feel Moore can be the guy to hand the ball off to JStew and DWill and then make the necessary throws when need be. Tough decision here, but with one year left on his contract and his age, and his injury history, the Panthers need to release him and work on making adjustments to the defensive side of the ball. Good discussion going here. :football:
I disagree with you about releasing Jake. In regard to the money, there are always players willing to restructure their contracts. Also, Julius Peppers may not want to resign with the Panthers.
 
Absolutely no reason to bring Delhomme back, talk about a defeatist message to the guys in the locker room, bring back a 35-year old journeyman who single handedly lost you your 2008 playoff run. No way that makes any sense.

Peppers is going to get more money from someone than he deserves, but he's not a guy you can afford to lose without compensation. Tag him and trade him if possible, otherwise make him sign the tag and hope for the best.

That's contingent on getting Gross under contract first though. If you can't get Gross to sign before the tag deadline, you need to tag him and risk losing Peppers IMHO. No way you let a young franchise tackle leave your team, that's inexcusable.

 
Cassell for Peppers!

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This is an interesting possibility and Peppers is saying the right things that lead me to think it could happen. See bolded.
Peppers rules out a return to Carolina next season, agent says

Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After spending his entire life in North Carolina, Julius Peppers wants out.

The four-time Pro Bowl defensive end has decided he won't sign a long-term deal with the Carolina Panthers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 26.

Kevin C. Cox / Getty Images

Julius Peppers has spent his entire career in Carolina, but he is looking to go elsewhere this offseason.

Peppers, who grew up in tiny Bailey, N.C., starred in college at North Carolina and was the Panthers' first-round draft pick in 2002, believes Carolina's defensive system isn't for him -- even after recording a career-high 14.5 sacks this season.

"He loves the state of North Carolina. His family is there. The easier situation for him would be to stay in Carolina," Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, said Saturday. "But the decision that he faced was, do I stay in Carolina and perhaps never reach my full potential? Or do I open myself to the possibilities to finish my career elsewhere? He chose the latter."

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

"He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

Peppers' decision leaves the Panthers with a big decision to make.

The team could place the franchise tag on Peppers, which would virtually force him to stay with the Panthers. Under that scenario, another team could sign Peppers only by giving Carolina two first-round draft picks in return.

But doing that would mean the Panthers would have to give Peppers a one-year deal worth a whopping $16.7 million. And Peppers also could decide to hold out.

The Panthers used the franchise tag this season on starting left tackle Jordan Gross, who'll also become an unrestricted free agent and command a large contract, leaving Carolina with salary-cap concerns.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, who was informed of Peppers' decision in a meeting with Carey in Houston on Thursday, did not return phone calls Saturday but released a statement through a team spokesman.

"Obviously, Carl's comments are disappointing," Hurney said. "We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications."

The Panthers have been trying to sign Peppers to an extension for the past two years. But Peppers, in a statement released by Carey, said he wants to go elsewhere.

Julius Peppers, DE

Carolina Panthers

2008 Statistics:

Tackles: 51

Sacks: 14.5

Passes defensed: 5

"I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field," Peppers said. "I strongly feel that making a move at this time is in my best interest. I appreciate the entire Panthers' organization and am thankful for the seven seasons I've spent with the team."

Peppers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft, became a starter from Day One. He reached the Pro Bowl three consecutive years from 2004 to 2006 before an awful 2007 season where he recorded only 2.5 sacks.

The Panthers moved Peppers from left defensive end to the right side this season, and his big numbers returned, and he was picked for the Pro Bowl again. However, Peppers was held to two tackles and no sacks in Carolina's shocking 33-13 NFC divisional playoff loss to the Arizona Cardinals last weekend.

The defeat was part of a late-season defensive swoon for the Panthers, who allowed 30 or more points in six of their last seven games.

"Julius has tremendous respect for the coaching staff, and he has never been the type of guy that has wanted to change anything that the coaching staff was doing," Carey said. "He has submitted to their defense and has tried his very best to operate within it.

"He feels that despite the accolades and the achievements that he still has something more to offer. He feels that it's going to take a new system in order for that talent that he still has within himself to be tapped."

Carey wouldn't say what teams Peppers, who turns 29 Sunday, would like to join. Carey also declined to address speculation that the Panthers could place the franchise tag on Peppers and then trade him. The Kansas City Chiefs dealt defensive end Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings last year in exchange for a first-round pick and two third-round choices.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueI think Peppers is the kind of difference maker that the mad scientist could find useful in a hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense they employ that relies on veteran savy and moves players around a lot in unexpected ways. He would be joining a proven SB winner with a ton of talent and a coaching staff that will make the best use of his abilities.

I have not been paying attention to the coching situation for the 49ers but I think Peppers might be an interesting player for them to seek out if Singaltary is retained. Jets, Miami and Cleveland other possibilities.

Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?

 
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IMO,

Peppers could end up in DET, STL, KC, SEA, MIA, JAC, CIN, BUF, or SF for picks (yes, that's a long list). Just trading for picks frees up a lot of cap room for next year (Williams and Beason). His "pay-to-play ratio" might keep CAR from getting what they are hoping for.

Gross, I think, has more possibilities. Seasoned OL players can serve as lynch-pins for teams in need (see above). The Panthers should really try to keep him. Of these three, Gross makes more sense over the next 3 to 5 years.

Delhomme might be back, but only if he restructures his contract. Trading Peppers and/or Gross would probably depend on whether Jake is back or not. I like Jake, but 6 million... need I say more?

It was a hard way to end the season, any way you look at it. Foxy saved his job with big time draft day moves last year... will they do it again or let Jake go?

 
Peppers for Cassell would be interesting. I think Peppers would be an absolute monster in a 3-4 defense and he'd take the Patriots to another level in that system. However, that would bring in a QB and we already have one. Maybe not a QB of the future but a good starter. It's very unfortunate that Peppers wants out because the Cats will be hard pressed to get equal compensation in return. He must really want to play in a 3-4 bad because Carolina is his home and the Panthers are good.

 
Cassell for Peppers!

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This is an interesting possibility and Peppers is saying the right things that lead me to think it could happen. See bolded.
Peppers rules out a return to Carolina next season, agent says

Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After spending his entire life in North Carolina, Julius Peppers wants out.

The four-time Pro Bowl defensive end has decided he won't sign a long-term deal with the Carolina Panthers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 26.

Kevin C. Cox / Getty Images

Julius Peppers has spent his entire career in Carolina, but he is looking to go elsewhere this offseason.

Peppers, who grew up in tiny Bailey, N.C., starred in college at North Carolina and was the Panthers' first-round draft pick in 2002, believes Carolina's defensive system isn't for him -- even after recording a career-high 14.5 sacks this season.

"He loves the state of North Carolina. His family is there. The easier situation for him would be to stay in Carolina," Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, said Saturday. "But the decision that he faced was, do I stay in Carolina and perhaps never reach my full potential? Or do I open myself to the possibilities to finish my career elsewhere? He chose the latter."

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

"He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

Peppers' decision leaves the Panthers with a big decision to make.

The team could place the franchise tag on Peppers, which would virtually force him to stay with the Panthers. Under that scenario, another team could sign Peppers only by giving Carolina two first-round draft picks in return.

But doing that would mean the Panthers would have to give Peppers a one-year deal worth a whopping $16.7 million. And Peppers also could decide to hold out.

The Panthers used the franchise tag this season on starting left tackle Jordan Gross, who'll also become an unrestricted free agent and command a large contract, leaving Carolina with salary-cap concerns.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, who was informed of Peppers' decision in a meeting with Carey in Houston on Thursday, did not return phone calls Saturday but released a statement through a team spokesman.

"Obviously, Carl's comments are disappointing," Hurney said. "We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications."

The Panthers have been trying to sign Peppers to an extension for the past two years. But Peppers, in a statement released by Carey, said he wants to go elsewhere.

Julius Peppers, DE

Carolina Panthers

2008 Statistics:

Tackles: 51

Sacks: 14.5

Passes defensed: 5

"I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field," Peppers said. "I strongly feel that making a move at this time is in my best interest. I appreciate the entire Panthers' organization and am thankful for the seven seasons I've spent with the team."

Peppers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft, became a starter from Day One. He reached the Pro Bowl three consecutive years from 2004 to 2006 before an awful 2007 season where he recorded only 2.5 sacks.

The Panthers moved Peppers from left defensive end to the right side this season, and his big numbers returned, and he was picked for the Pro Bowl again. However, Peppers was held to two tackles and no sacks in Carolina's shocking 33-13 NFC divisional playoff loss to the Arizona Cardinals last weekend.

The defeat was part of a late-season defensive swoon for the Panthers, who allowed 30 or more points in six of their last seven games.

"Julius has tremendous respect for the coaching staff, and he has never been the type of guy that has wanted to change anything that the coaching staff was doing," Carey said. "He has submitted to their defense and has tried his very best to operate within it.

"He feels that despite the accolades and the achievements that he still has something more to offer. He feels that it's going to take a new system in order for that talent that he still has within himself to be tapped."

Carey wouldn't say what teams Peppers, who turns 29 Sunday, would like to join. Carey also declined to address speculation that the Panthers could place the franchise tag on Peppers and then trade him. The Kansas City Chiefs dealt defensive end Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings last year in exchange for a first-round pick and two third-round choices.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueI think Peppers is the kind of difference maker that the mad scientist could find useful in a hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense they employ that relies on veteran savy and moves players around a lot in unexpected ways. He would be joining a proven SB winner with a ton of talent and a coaching staff that will make the best use of his abilities.

I have not been paying attention to the coching situation for the 49ers but I think Peppers might be an interesting player for them to seek out if Singaltary is retained. Jets, Miami and Cleveland other possibilities.

Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
I doubt NE would give up all that knowing what kind of situation Carolina is in with leverage.
 
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Biabreakable said:
Spike said:
Cassell for Peppers!

:unsure:
This is an interesting possibility and Peppers is saying the right things that lead me to think it could happen. See bolded.
Peppers rules out a return to Carolina next season, agent says

Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After spending his entire life in North Carolina, Julius Peppers wants out.

The four-time Pro Bowl defensive end has decided he won't sign a long-term deal with the Carolina Panthers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 26.

Kevin C. Cox / Getty Images

Julius Peppers has spent his entire career in Carolina, but he is looking to go elsewhere this offseason.

Peppers, who grew up in tiny Bailey, N.C., starred in college at North Carolina and was the Panthers' first-round draft pick in 2002, believes Carolina's defensive system isn't for him -- even after recording a career-high 14.5 sacks this season.

"He loves the state of North Carolina. His family is there. The easier situation for him would be to stay in Carolina," Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, said Saturday. "But the decision that he faced was, do I stay in Carolina and perhaps never reach my full potential? Or do I open myself to the possibilities to finish my career elsewhere? He chose the latter."

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

"He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

Peppers' decision leaves the Panthers with a big decision to make.

The team could place the franchise tag on Peppers, which would virtually force him to stay with the Panthers. Under that scenario, another team could sign Peppers only by giving Carolina two first-round draft picks in return.

But doing that would mean the Panthers would have to give Peppers a one-year deal worth a whopping $16.7 million. And Peppers also could decide to hold out.

The Panthers used the franchise tag this season on starting left tackle Jordan Gross, who'll also become an unrestricted free agent and command a large contract, leaving Carolina with salary-cap concerns.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, who was informed of Peppers' decision in a meeting with Carey in Houston on Thursday, did not return phone calls Saturday but released a statement through a team spokesman.

"Obviously, Carl's comments are disappointing," Hurney said. "We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications."

The Panthers have been trying to sign Peppers to an extension for the past two years. But Peppers, in a statement released by Carey, said he wants to go elsewhere.

Julius Peppers, DE

Carolina Panthers

2008 Statistics:

Tackles: 51

Sacks: 14.5

Passes defensed: 5

"I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field," Peppers said. "I strongly feel that making a move at this time is in my best interest. I appreciate the entire Panthers' organization and am thankful for the seven seasons I've spent with the team."

Peppers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft, became a starter from Day One. He reached the Pro Bowl three consecutive years from 2004 to 2006 before an awful 2007 season where he recorded only 2.5 sacks.

The Panthers moved Peppers from left defensive end to the right side this season, and his big numbers returned, and he was picked for the Pro Bowl again. However, Peppers was held to two tackles and no sacks in Carolina's shocking 33-13 NFC divisional playoff loss to the Arizona Cardinals last weekend.

The defeat was part of a late-season defensive swoon for the Panthers, who allowed 30 or more points in six of their last seven games.

"Julius has tremendous respect for the coaching staff, and he has never been the type of guy that has wanted to change anything that the coaching staff was doing," Carey said. "He has submitted to their defense and has tried his very best to operate within it.

"He feels that despite the accolades and the achievements that he still has something more to offer. He feels that it's going to take a new system in order for that talent that he still has within himself to be tapped."

Carey wouldn't say what teams Peppers, who turns 29 Sunday, would like to join. Carey also declined to address speculation that the Panthers could place the franchise tag on Peppers and then trade him. The Kansas City Chiefs dealt defensive end Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings last year in exchange for a first-round pick and two third-round choices.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueI think Peppers is the kind of difference maker that the mad scientist could find useful in a hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense they employ that relies on veteran savy and moves players around a lot in unexpected ways. He would be joining a proven SB winner with a ton of talent and a coaching staff that will make the best use of his abilities.

I have not been paying attention to the coching situation for the 49ers but I think Peppers might be an interesting player for them to seek out if Singaltary is retained. Jets, Miami and Cleveland other possibilities.

Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
I doubt NE would give up all that knowing what kind of situation Carolina is in with leverage.
They might not, but someone else might give up more. Tag him and trade him to whoever gives us the most. I think Miami has a nice number of picks this coming year.
 
Englishteacher said:
Biabreakable said:
Spike said:
Cassell for Peppers!

:football:
This is an interesting possibility and Peppers is saying the right things that lead me to think it could happen. See bolded.
Peppers rules out a return to Carolina next season, agent says

Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After spending his entire life in North Carolina, Julius Peppers wants out.

The four-time Pro Bowl defensive end has decided he won't sign a long-term deal with the Carolina Panthers when he becomes an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 26.

Kevin C. Cox / Getty Images

Julius Peppers has spent his entire career in Carolina, but he is looking to go elsewhere this offseason.

Peppers, who grew up in tiny Bailey, N.C., starred in college at North Carolina and was the Panthers' first-round draft pick in 2002, believes Carolina's defensive system isn't for him -- even after recording a career-high 14.5 sacks this season.

"He loves the state of North Carolina. His family is there. The easier situation for him would be to stay in Carolina," Peppers' agent, Carl Carey, said Saturday. "But the decision that he faced was, do I stay in Carolina and perhaps never reach my full potential? Or do I open myself to the possibilities to finish my career elsewhere? He chose the latter."

Carey said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

"He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."

Peppers' decision leaves the Panthers with a big decision to make.

The team could place the franchise tag on Peppers, which would virtually force him to stay with the Panthers. Under that scenario, another team could sign Peppers only by giving Carolina two first-round draft picks in return.

But doing that would mean the Panthers would have to give Peppers a one-year deal worth a whopping $16.7 million. And Peppers also could decide to hold out.

The Panthers used the franchise tag this season on starting left tackle Jordan Gross, who'll also become an unrestricted free agent and command a large contract, leaving Carolina with salary-cap concerns.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, who was informed of Peppers' decision in a meeting with Carey in Houston on Thursday, did not return phone calls Saturday but released a statement through a team spokesman.

"Obviously, Carl's comments are disappointing," Hurney said. "We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications."

The Panthers have been trying to sign Peppers to an extension for the past two years. But Peppers, in a statement released by Carey, said he wants to go elsewhere.

Julius Peppers, DE

Carolina Panthers

2008 Statistics:

Tackles: 51

Sacks: 14.5

Passes defensed: 5

"I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field," Peppers said. "I strongly feel that making a move at this time is in my best interest. I appreciate the entire Panthers' organization and am thankful for the seven seasons I've spent with the team."

Peppers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2002 draft, became a starter from Day One. He reached the Pro Bowl three consecutive years from 2004 to 2006 before an awful 2007 season where he recorded only 2.5 sacks.

The Panthers moved Peppers from left defensive end to the right side this season, and his big numbers returned, and he was picked for the Pro Bowl again. However, Peppers was held to two tackles and no sacks in Carolina's shocking 33-13 NFC divisional playoff loss to the Arizona Cardinals last weekend.

The defeat was part of a late-season defensive swoon for the Panthers, who allowed 30 or more points in six of their last seven games.

"Julius has tremendous respect for the coaching staff, and he has never been the type of guy that has wanted to change anything that the coaching staff was doing," Carey said. "He has submitted to their defense and has tried his very best to operate within it.

"He feels that despite the accolades and the achievements that he still has something more to offer. He feels that it's going to take a new system in order for that talent that he still has within himself to be tapped."

Carey wouldn't say what teams Peppers, who turns 29 Sunday, would like to join. Carey also declined to address speculation that the Panthers could place the franchise tag on Peppers and then trade him. The Kansas City Chiefs dealt defensive end Jared Allen to the Minnesota Vikings last year in exchange for a first-round pick and two third-round choices.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=trueI think Peppers is the kind of difference maker that the mad scientist could find useful in a hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense they employ that relies on veteran savy and moves players around a lot in unexpected ways. He would be joining a proven SB winner with a ton of talent and a coaching staff that will make the best use of his abilities.

I have not been paying attention to the coching situation for the 49ers but I think Peppers might be an interesting player for them to seek out if Singaltary is retained. Jets, Miami and Cleveland other possibilities.

Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
I doubt NE would give up all that knowing what kind of situation Carolina is in with leverage.
They might not, but someone else might give up more. Tag him and trade him to whoever gives us the most. I think Miami has a nice number of picks this coming year.
Agreed. I don't see how you keep him on the team next year unless you get absolutely nothing reasonable in terms of trade offers and given his ability, I would expect a similar offer to the one that Allen got. Take it and move on. But sign Gross.
 
Jason Wood said:
Absolutely no reason to bring Delhomme back, talk about a defeatist message to the guys in the locker room, bring back a 35-year old journeyman who single handedly lost you your 2008 playoff run. No way that makes any sense.
Delhomme didn't give the Panthers must of a chance to win their playoff game, but their secondary wasn't much help either. Fitzgerald was open all day long. As for calling Delhomme a journeyman, he was signed as a undrafted free agent by the Saints, and played in NFL Europe off and on shortly, played some more with the Saints, and has been with Carolina as their starting QB since 2003. I don't consider him a journeyman QB. Delhomme has a rare leadership quality about him, and I seriously doubt Carolina is going to dump him based on a terrible game. I foresee him being the starter next year, and grooming the guy who will take his place.
 
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whether they bring Delhomme back or not, the Panthers MUST draft a QB day one, or bring in a FA. Delhomme is becoming more of a game manager, or a game liability than he is a WINNING QB. And I love the guy, but its the truth.

 
whether they bring Delhomme back or not, the Panthers MUST draft a QB day one, or bring in a FA. Delhomme is becoming more of a game manager, or a game liability than he is a WINNING QB. And I love the guy, but its the truth.
Before the playoff game this year, Delhomme only threw 5 interceptions in the season. I don't consider that a game liability.
 
Biabreakable said:
Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
I really doubt that. Peppers would be an OLB for the Pats, and they've already got Vrabel and Adalius Thomas there. Neither of those guys are going anywhere, and they've also got Wilfork and Seymour coming up for new contracts next year (Seymour may even be cut this offseason). Just doesn't seem to fit. On the other hand, you never really know what the Patriots will do (although I nonetheless can't see them giving up their 1st rounder for a guy who would command a huge contract).
 
Biabreakable said:
Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
Wow. A 1st and 3rd for a QB that is slightly more proven than Matt Moore. BTW: Panthers do not have a 1st is 2009. They traded it to the Eagles for Otah.
 
Biabreakable said:
Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
Wow. A 1st and 3rd for a QB that is slightly more proven than Matt Moore. BTW: Panthers do not have a 1st is 2009. They traded it to the Eagles for Otah.
I think he meant that the Patriots would trade Cassel along with 1st and 3rd round picks to Carolina in exchange for Peppers (which is more and more ridiculous the more I think about it). At least that's how I took it.
 
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Biabreakable said:
Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
Wow. A 1st and 3rd for a QB that is slightly more proven than Matt Moore. BTW: Panthers do not have a 1st is 2009. They traded it to the Eagles for Otah.
I think he meant that the Patriots would trade Cassel along with 1st and 3rd round picks to Carolina in exchange for Peppers (which is more and more ridiculous the more I think about it). At least that's how I took it.
I dont know if they will get it but the Patriots are looking for a 1st in exchange for Cassel. The Pats are not giving up 2 firsts and a 3rd for Peppers.I dont see Richard Seymour going anywhere. He had a nice bounce back year and provided what little pass rush the Pats had after Thomas went down.Although Vrabel is still with the Pats he struggled last year and most fans think the Pats need to bring in an OLB as a high draft pick and let Vrabel slip inside with Mayo or backup outside.
 
Biabreakable said:
Cassel a 1st and a 3rd?
Wow. A 1st and 3rd for a QB that is slightly more proven than Matt Moore. BTW: Panthers do not have a 1st is 2009. They traded it to the Eagles for Otah.
I think he meant that the Patriots would trade Cassel along with 1st and 3rd round picks to Carolina in exchange for Peppers (which is more and more ridiculous the more I think about it). At least that's how I took it.
I dont know if they will get it but the Patriots are looking for a 1st in exchange for Cassel. The Pats are not giving up 2 firsts and a 3rd for Peppers.I dont see Richard Seymour going anywhere. He had a nice bounce back year and provided what little pass rush the Pats had after Thomas went down.Although Vrabel is still with the Pats he struggled last year and most fans think the Pats need to bring in an OLB as a high draft pick and let Vrabel slip inside with Mayo or backup outside.
I agree that they're not going to give up that much for Peppers. Maybe one 1st rounder, but not much more. I don't even see that happening; not with the problems they had in the secondary this year.Seymour did indeed bounce back, but if I'm not mistaken, he's got a pretty big cap number coming up in 2009, and I think the team's priority has to be extending Wilfork as soon as possible.I do like the idea of Vrabel slipping back inside with Mayo. He played well there a few years ago.
 
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Do DE's make a ton of plays in the 3-4 defense? Seems like the LB's are the stars and playmakers in the 3-4

I wonder why Peppers wants to play in the 3-4

 
Do DE's make a ton of plays in the 3-4 defense? Seems like the LB's are the stars and playmakers in the 3-4I wonder why Peppers wants to play in the 3-4
With his size, I think he'd be moved to OLB in a 3-4. And I think he'd probably be a great fit.
 
Not a Panthers fan, but here are my thoughts:

Release Delhomme and make a strong push for Kurt Warner.

Franchise Peppers and work a trade. If they can get a similar deal to the one the Chiefs got for Allen, they should do it.

Resign Jordan Gross. Versatile tackle in his prime who will be 29 next season.

 
Balco said:
Not a Panthers fan, but here are my thoughts:Release Delhomme and make a strong push for Kurt Warner.
Why would Kurt Warner come to the Panthers for any cheaper than Delhomme's $ 5-6 million per season.
Balco said:
Franchise Peppers and work a trade. If they can get a similar deal to the one the Chiefs got for Allen, they should do it.
If you can't work out a trade, wouldn't the Panthers be committed to paying him $17 million this year? Not sure if they can or would want to remove the tag later. They won't be able to attract any new free agents and will have to dump other players.
Balco said:
Resign Jordan Gross. Versatile tackle in his prime who will be 29 next season.
The way I understand it, they can't franchise Peppers and pay Gross in their current salary cap situation so it probably one or the other.
 
I honestly don't think that the deal with Peppers for Cassel will happen. I think the Panthers are interested in seeing what they have in McCown, LaFlores, and Moore. I think there is a MUCH better chance that Panthers do a sign and trade for a first round draft pick and maybe some extra cash. As a Panthers fan I would be happy if this was the case. Maybe a top 10 pick as I mentioned before is overshooting a little, but I would be happy with a top 20 for Pepp. They MUST I repeat MUST get defensive help with that first round pick if he's traded! :goodposting:

 
Do DE's make a ton of plays in the 3-4 defense? Seems like the LB's are the stars and playmakers in the 3-4

I wonder why Peppers wants to play in the 3-4
With his size, I think he'd be moved to OLB in a 3-4. And I think he'd probably be a great fit.
Isn't 6'7 285 a bit big for a OLB?
I don't think it's ever a problem to be "too" big, as long as your size doesn't hinder your speed/agility, which, in Peppers' case, it certainly does not. With his rare combination of size and athletic ability, Peppers might actually be the prototypical 3-4 OLB.
 

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