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Panthers Fire Henning (1 Viewer)
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laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
How can you say this is a bad move? I counted at least three games where he called plays that lost them the game. The most notable one was the Minnisota game where they tried that trick play on the KO return. Then against Cinci who was one of the worse teams in the NFL against the run the whole year, in a close game, RAN THE BALL THREEE TIMES in the second half? And..Carolina had the 24th overall offense in 2006, WAY worse than 2004 AND 2005?IMO, this is a decision that needed to be made.
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H.K.
Footballguy
I think we'll agree on this one.
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
I appreciate what he had done for the team, but it was time for a change.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
I heard they also fired the OL coach and the secondary coach. It was said before that Keyshawn would be back if they kept Dan Henning. Apparently he has an out in his contract, but it has to do something with going back to Dallas if TO moves out of Dallas. At least, that's what I recollect. Don't take it for gospel.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Interesting.
I'd also be inclined to say that John Fox had better watch his own back, with Bill Cowher lurking around Tobacco Road. If Burgher Bill gets the itch again, the Dixie Kitties might be a really good fit for him, with Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers anchoring the defense.
I'd also be inclined to say that John Fox had better watch his own back, with Bill Cowher lurking around Tobacco Road. If Burgher Bill gets the itch again, the Dixie Kitties might be a really good fit for him, with Kris Jenkins and Julius Peppers anchoring the defense.
Henning is a very friendly guy in NFL circles. For example he was friends with Fox and I don't think he ever coached with him before the Panthers. Anyone that's been associated with the Giants probably knows him well. He was a Falcons and Chargers HC so he probably knows people there too. Very friendly guy.If I'm not mistaken, it's possible each have an openning at OC.Mora gone, new coach can always= new OC.Hufnagel re-signed and I still haven't seen them definitively name Gilbride OC for 2007, just the last game or two in 06.Cameron is a "hot" coaching candidate.Were Henning, Coughlin, Marty, and BP were on the same Giants staff? early 80's late 70s?It is what it is said:Holy ####! Dumb move Carolina...dumb. Henning = One of Parcells guys.
QB play is not his fault but....whatever, that's kinda how it works in the NFL blame game.
Um yeah, the dude called 9 passes one game. 9 ####### passes!! be gone Dan, steve smith owners rejoice everywhere.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Doesn't Henning have long history o the O's being boring and quite predictable? I think Wayne Fontes fired him once, which really isn't a knock against Henning
If a QB isn't doing well but they have two very good backs(one being an up N coming rook) you think they should pass more?I understand the need to get it to Smith as he's a playmaker but if whether the QB will get it there is a question, that's the problem IMO.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I think the biggest problem with Henning's offenses was the lack of a consistent running game. He got one good year out of Stephen Davis but has not had a 1000 yard rusher since. Even though they got to the NFC Championship last year, they had one of the worst rushing averages in the league. They did better this year but often the rushing game would seem to disappear in the second half. I like Henning and I think he is a good coach but at the same time I think this offense needs someone who can get some more production out of the running game.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
They were also 7 of 8 converting 3rd downs without a QB taking the snap. This was actually Hennings finest game of the year.I had to go look it up.
The Panthers won the game at Atlanta 10-3
Weinke was 4 of 7 with a TD
Steve Smith did not have a reception in the game.
The Panthers ran the ball 52 times
I've liked Henning and his offenses throughout his career. If the Panthers want to go in another direction that's fine, but an NFL team is going to be getting a great coordinator. Actually, come to think of it, it would be no surprise to see Coughlin reach out to Henning and bring him aboard as OC for the NYG.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I believe that Ken Whisenhunt and Henning are long-time friends. Wouldn't be suprised to see Henning end up in Arizona as their OC.
riverrat
Footballguy
The knock on Henning was predictability. When the average fan in the stands can usually predict the next play, especially on third and long, you know the multi-million dollar defensive guys on the other sideline can too. He's a nice guy and I hope he finds a great new job, but I'm looking forward to some surprises on offense in Charlotte next season.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
That offense had no definition... Not good when you have a defensive minded head coach.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
Ding ding! I'm excited to see who they bring in. Chances are it will be a grind it out, smash-mouth O-Coord. that fits the needs of Fox's offensive running style. Personally, I'd like to see the Panthers offense be a juggernaut that is anchored by an attacking running game that fuels the passing game, i.e Denver's offense. The Panthers have the personnel to do just that. That's what I'm hoping for. As for Henning, maybe he will go back to Washington to join Gibbs? He has a long list of current and former coaches that could be interested in him.
I'd have to do more googling. I thought they were at one time. Quick search found this mention``We do some tackling drills, but really, Marty and I had that conversation with Bill [Parcells]. We all kind of said the same thing, `Those drills are great. We used to do them.' None of us do them anymore."It is what it is said:Henning coached with Parcells back at Florida State in the early 70's and again as an assistant (QB coach) when Parcells was the HC with the Jets...Henning was also the OC with the Jets under Parcells guy Al Groh. Parcells and Marty have not been on the same staff to my knowledge...Parcells and Coughlin is well documented with the Giants.Jerry Jones would never let this happen, but I would love to see Parcells come back with Henning as the OC in Pittsburgh.Henning is a very friendly guy in NFL circles. For example he was friends with Fox and I don't think he ever coached with him before the Panthers. Anyone that's been associated with the Giants probably knows him well. He was a Falcons and Chargers HC so he probably knows people there too. Very friendly guy.It is what it is said:Holy ####! Dumb move Carolina...dumb.
Henning = One of Parcells guys.
If I'm not mistaken, it's possible each have an openning at OC.
Mora gone, new coach can always= new OC.
Hufnagel re-signed and I still haven't seen them definitively name Gilbride OC for 2007, just the last game or two in 06.
Cameron is a "hot" coaching candidate.
Were Henning, Coughlin, Marty, and BP were on the same Giants staff? early 80's late 70s?
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...e_drill/?page=3
but it's hardly conclusive
I just found it too.BB and Parcells joined the Giants in 79, Marty was from 74-77.It is what it is said:Parcells first came to the Giants in 1979 as the DC for Ray Perkins...Schotty was the DC for the Giants in 1977 under John McVay and then Schotty moved on to Detroit for the 1978-79 seasons as their LB coach...after this he joined Cleveland as their DC and DB coach under Sam Rutigliano until 1984, when he replaced Sam as HC. That article is just old school coaches talking old school...Bri said:I'd have to do more googling. I thought they were at one time. Quick search found this mention``We do some tackling drills, but really, Marty and I had that conversation with Bill [Parcells]. We all kind of said the same thing, `Those drills are great. We used to do them.' None of us do them anymore."It is what it is said:Henning coached with Parcells back at Florida State in the early 70's and again as an assistant (QB coach) when Parcells was the HC with the Jets...Henning was also the OC with the Jets under Parcells guy Al Groh. Parcells and Marty have not been on the same staff to my knowledge...Parcells and Coughlin is well documented with the Giants.Jerry Jones would never let this happen, but I would love to see Parcells come back with Henning as the OC in Pittsburgh.Henning is a very friendly guy in NFL circles. For example he was friends with Fox and I don't think he ever coached with him before the Panthers. Anyone that's been associated with the Giants probably knows him well. He was a Falcons and Chargers HC so he probably knows people there too. Very friendly guy.It is what it is said:Holy ####! Dumb move Carolina...dumb.
Henning = One of Parcells guys.
If I'm not mistaken, it's possible each have an openning at OC.
Mora gone, new coach can always= new OC.
Hufnagel re-signed and I still haven't seen them definitively name Gilbride OC for 2007, just the last game or two in 06.
Cameron is a "hot" coaching candidate.
Were Henning, Coughlin, Marty, and BP were on the same Giants staff? early 80's late 70s?
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...e_drill/?page=3
but it's hardly conclusive
I knew that article was "just that" but as I said, it was the first thing that came up googling. I've seen lots of articles/interviews/radio whatever about those guys being close, I knew they were all Giants assistants. I just assumed they were on the same staff at one time.
Thanks for the info.
Still pretty sure if there's an openning those teams will consider their friend, Henning.
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Metzger
Footballguy
I'll agree that Henning wasn't entirely responsible for all of the Panther's offensive woes this year, he never seemed to be able to adjust the gameplan effectively. When you are only averaging about 2 yards per carry like in some of the games this year, do you really think a draw play on 3rd & 7 is going to do the trick? Regardless, Henning had worn out his welcome in Carolina and keeping would probably only have added to the dissent in the fan base, so this move was likely for the best. Just my .02 cents.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
He says he has been talking with Parcells and 'something is in the works' according to a secondhand source that heard him on Sirius.The other news is that the Panthers interviewed Ken Zampese, QB coach for Cinci to fill their OC spot. I really like this interview and I hope they hire him. I don't know much about his offensive philosophy, but he has done a good job with the QB's for the Bengals and the Panthers could use a fresh pair of eyes.It is what it is said:
Is that Ernie's son?
Frank Black
Footballguy
I concur.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if Pepper Johnson is interviewed. He was interviewed when Mangini became DC for the Pats.It is what it is said:Kilgore Trout said:
If this comes to fruition, I would also expect to see another Parcells guy come in on the D side. Too bad Al Groh is signed on thru 2010...he would be another very close friend of Parcells who goes back with him nearly a half a century ago ('68), as Henning does. Getting those guys who you pretty much came in with, like a Henning, could really rejuvinate Parcells...huge security and loyalty factor here.
If Pasqualoni gets promoted to DC in Zimmer's place, I wouldn't be surprised to see Parcells possibly reach out to a former player for his LB coach...Harry Carson (Fox G-men analyst) would be an interesting play here. Somebody who could really school the inside on the extra responsibilities they have with a free roaming Ware on the outside.
Would love to see Parcells come back for another round with some of "his guys" along with an increasing input on the draft and free agency...
patrickmcgroin
Footballguy
Groh won't make it to 2010.It is what it is said:Kilgore Trout said:Very good info on both Henning and Zampese...Henning is just the kind of move that would bring Parcells back for another year in Dallas. Henning can step right in for the now departed David Lee, and along with Chris Palmer, gives Charlie Tuna two of "his guys" to maintain his offense and keep young Romo in check. Which in turn helps to keep somebody else in check.
If this comes to fruition, I would also expect to see another Parcells guy come in on the D side. Too bad Al Groh is signed on thru 2010...he would be another very close friend of Parcells who goes back with him nearly a half a century ago ('68), as Henning does. Getting those guys who you pretty much came in with, like a Henning, could really rejuvinate Parcells...huge security and loyalty factor here.
If Pasqualoni gets promoted to DC in Zimmer's place, I wouldn't be surprised to see Parcells possibly reach out to a former player for his LB coach...Harry Carson (Fox G-men analyst) would be an interesting play here. Somebody who could really school the inside on the extra responsibilities they have with a free roaming Ware on the outside.
Would love to see Parcells come back for another round with some of "his guys" along with an increasing input on the draft and free agency...
BassNBrew
Footballguy
simey
Footballguy
I don't know much about him, but he seemed to do a good job as an offensive line/TE's coach when he was with New England. He was made OC half way through the season last year with the Browns, but they had a lot of problems. It's hard to judge his play-calling based on a situation like that. I guess he shares Fox's offensive philosophy if the Panthers are this interested in him.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
####### great...the winning tradition of the Browns teamed up with the guiding force of the Panthers' stellar TEs. Wonder if we still have room for Shell or Kotite on staff.
Kilgore Trout
Footballguy
I was hoping that Zampese would be hired, but I can live with this. As simey pointed out, it is really hard to judge him on his OC experience in Cleveland as he took over in the middle of the season. Any new OC is going to be somewhat of a mystery, so I am at least looking forward to how things change next year. I hope the Panthers can get a better running game going and maybe figure out that the TE is someone you can throw the ball too.
msommer
Footballguy
They've done this in Cleveland - Heiden/Shea while never top ten were often targeted on 3rd and in the red zone. Droughns has had a couple of good years as well
I think you missed his history with the Patriots. I would bet in time you'll like this signing. I wish the Pats could have got him back somehow.
