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Panthers vs Giants preseason thread (1 Viewer)
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netnalp
Footballguy
Absolutely, making me wish the Giants traded for him.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Olsen hasnt seen this many targets in the last 2 years
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dharmapunk
Footballguy
Wow, Cam Newton can throw on hell of an accurate deep ball. This kid looks legit. 
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
any chance Cam is the starter week 1 over Clausen?
dharmapunk
Footballguy
Yes. But only because Clausen is that bad. Newton may not know what he's doing yet, but his instincts and work ethic are making up the difference. What a talent.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I doubt it. Clausen actually didn't look bad today outside of that int, despite most of the preconceived notion about him..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Cam was 5 for 13, not sure I could call that MVP worthy, but I am hopeful.. He had some nice moments as well..1st Half MVPs for each teamanthers:Greg OlsenPanthers defense 1st & 2nd stringers (And they were missing 2 or 3 of their starting LBs, and 1 DE)Cam NewtonGiants:Jason Pierre Paul That's it just one guy for the Giants.
netnalp
Footballguy
Yep. I don't think he's the next J. Russell or Vince Young. Looks like Panthers made a good pick. I don't watch College ball much, so it's the 1st time I've seen him.Clausen did better after the pick, but where he played ok, it's obvious that Cam brings more. Gonna be interesting seeing the Panthers with Smithy Smurf out there.Wow, Cam Newton can throw on hell of an accurate deep ball. This kid looks legit.
netnalp
Footballguy
That's why he's behind the several defensive players. Cam did well for his 1st time out there and the Giants had the starting Def out there on his 1st series.Cam was 5 for 13, not sure I could call that MVP worthy, but I am hopeful.. He had some nice moments as well..1st Half MVPs for each team
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
most of his pass attempts, and incomplete passes came against second team d though...That's why he's behind the several defensive players. Cam did well for his 1st time out there and the Giants had the starting Def out there on his 1st series.Cam was 5 for 13, not sure I could call that MVP worthy, but I am hopeful.. He had some nice moments as well..1st Half MVPs for each team
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Actually the CAts were missing all 3 starting LBs, both starting CBs, and both DEs.1st Half MVPs for each team
netnalp
Footballguy
Yes, but as a Giants fan I have higher expectations. I thought the Panthers would be crap. They seem more explosive than the Giants.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
As did the drops. Most encouraging thing is that he isn't making bad decisions.Found it interesting that even his "touch" passes down field look like roped spirals.most of his pass attempts, and incomplete passes came against second team d though...That's why he's behind the several defensive players. Cam did well for his 1st time out there and the Giants had the starting Def out there on his 1st series.Cam was 5 for 13, not sure I could call that MVP worthy, but I am hopeful.. He had some nice moments as well..1st Half MVPs for each team
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Honestly I see it as bad play calling by NYG. The staff may be tring to accomplish things without regards to winning.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Stewart had one of the most impressive moves a RB can use. The stiff arm while simultaneously cutting back.
Yenrub
Footballguy
The Giants have not improved special teams at all....they are horrible
JPP was abusing Jordan Gross tonight
The offense needs a lot more work
Newton looked pretty good for his 1st time out. Seemed like he only threw to his 1st read but he did show some really good arm strength
The Panthers are deep at RB
Their TE's looked good as well
JPP was abusing Jordan Gross tonight
The offense needs a lot more work
Newton looked pretty good for his 1st time out. Seemed like he only threw to his 1st read but he did show some really good arm strength
The Panthers are deep at RB
Their TE's looked good as well
solorca
Footballguy
A couple quick thoughts (from a Panthers fan perspective)
- Cam Newton looked strong in his drive with the first team against the Giants 1st string. He looked a little shaky with the second string, but almost all of the Panthers non-starting O-line is young...which caused a lot of pressure. From what I've read, Cam was instructed to not rely on running at all, so that certainly affected his ability to turn some plays around. He looked really confident.
- Jimmy Clausen looked pretty good after the pick six. The problem is that he still threw a pick six. It was a bad read that shows that he is still not ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. While I think he has the potential to be a quality player, I think that John Fox and the Panthers as a whole did him a disservice by allowing him to start so quickly in an already lost season. I think that he may not truly develop until the Panthers release him in a year or two and he goes to learn behind a quality QB. With all of that said, the TD pass to Olsen was very nice, and he looked much better than last season.
- Greg Olsen was a beast, and I think that this is something that will be a trend for this season. I've been talking about him as a fantasy steal for weeks, and I fear that this game may have just made my hidden piece of information public knowledge. He was going as TE22...but I think there is no doubt he'll be a top 10 guy this season.
- It's amazing what having a coach that doesn't hate you will do for you. Armanti Edwards looked great in the punt return game and as a receiver. The word out of Carolina is that they are looking to get him involved in a number of different areas, including the wildcat. As an App State grad, I knew that he was better than John Fox allowed him to be.
- People question why the Panthers re-signed Deangelo, but it's hard to question his ability. While Stewart could certainly function fine as the lead back on the team, he never practices because of assorted injuries, which is concerning. While Mike Goodson has a lot of ability, I will not feel comfortable in anything less than a third running back until he can hold onto the ball. He seems to fumble on about 1/4 of his carries.
- It's hard to get a huge read on the defense as a whole, because most of the eventual regular season starters didn't play. That makes it even more impressive that they pretty much controlled the Giants for a majority of the game. I have no issues at all with the defense.
- Cam Newton looked strong in his drive with the first team against the Giants 1st string. He looked a little shaky with the second string, but almost all of the Panthers non-starting O-line is young...which caused a lot of pressure. From what I've read, Cam was instructed to not rely on running at all, so that certainly affected his ability to turn some plays around. He looked really confident.
- Jimmy Clausen looked pretty good after the pick six. The problem is that he still threw a pick six. It was a bad read that shows that he is still not ready to be a starting QB in the NFL. While I think he has the potential to be a quality player, I think that John Fox and the Panthers as a whole did him a disservice by allowing him to start so quickly in an already lost season. I think that he may not truly develop until the Panthers release him in a year or two and he goes to learn behind a quality QB. With all of that said, the TD pass to Olsen was very nice, and he looked much better than last season.
- Greg Olsen was a beast, and I think that this is something that will be a trend for this season. I've been talking about him as a fantasy steal for weeks, and I fear that this game may have just made my hidden piece of information public knowledge. He was going as TE22...but I think there is no doubt he'll be a top 10 guy this season.
- It's amazing what having a coach that doesn't hate you will do for you. Armanti Edwards looked great in the punt return game and as a receiver. The word out of Carolina is that they are looking to get him involved in a number of different areas, including the wildcat. As an App State grad, I knew that he was better than John Fox allowed him to be.
- People question why the Panthers re-signed Deangelo, but it's hard to question his ability. While Stewart could certainly function fine as the lead back on the team, he never practices because of assorted injuries, which is concerning. While Mike Goodson has a lot of ability, I will not feel comfortable in anything less than a third running back until he can hold onto the ball. He seems to fumble on about 1/4 of his carries.
- It's hard to get a huge read on the defense as a whole, because most of the eventual regular season starters didn't play. That makes it even more impressive that they pretty much controlled the Giants for a majority of the game. I have no issues at all with the defense.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I was impressed with the strides a young team made with a new offense, new defense, new coach and several starters out. It's a testament to hard work.
Jimmy looked decent after the pick but there was still the pick. I think Cam should have had several more completions, guys were dropping a lot of catchable balls out there. That may be a function of how hard he throws and not having the practice time to get used to it. Anderson looked good as well. I feel much better about QBs today than I did this time last year.
Everyone keeps asking who the number two receiver on this team is. I think it's Olsen. I have been hearing Kealoha Pilares was turning heads in practice now we know why. Might be a late round steal there, time will tell.
Defense was excellent especially given the missing starters. They really controlled the tempo and they were everywhere. Flying to the ball and gang tackling. Nice blitzes by the backup linebackers.Some guys amongst the DBs made cases for themselves. Stanford and Burnley especially. Senn was big on defense and special teams. Williams really showed out amongst the linebackers I thought.
Armanti is a different player this year. They say he worked with Moose on receiving, Jason Baker on punts and got coaching from a former NFL returner. He obviously benefited from that. He is exciting with the ball and I can't help but think of him as a having the potential to really be a big part of the offense here. Special teams in general looked good I thought.
Of course it's only week one of the preseason and we have many miles still to go. But there seems to be reason for hope of a turnaround in Pantherland.
Jimmy looked decent after the pick but there was still the pick. I think Cam should have had several more completions, guys were dropping a lot of catchable balls out there. That may be a function of how hard he throws and not having the practice time to get used to it. Anderson looked good as well. I feel much better about QBs today than I did this time last year.
Everyone keeps asking who the number two receiver on this team is. I think it's Olsen. I have been hearing Kealoha Pilares was turning heads in practice now we know why. Might be a late round steal there, time will tell.
Defense was excellent especially given the missing starters. They really controlled the tempo and they were everywhere. Flying to the ball and gang tackling. Nice blitzes by the backup linebackers.Some guys amongst the DBs made cases for themselves. Stanford and Burnley especially. Senn was big on defense and special teams. Williams really showed out amongst the linebackers I thought.
Armanti is a different player this year. They say he worked with Moose on receiving, Jason Baker on punts and got coaching from a former NFL returner. He obviously benefited from that. He is exciting with the ball and I can't help but think of him as a having the potential to really be a big part of the offense here. Special teams in general looked good I thought.
Of course it's only week one of the preseason and we have many miles still to go. But there seems to be reason for hope of a turnaround in Pantherland.
simey
Footballguy
Edwards has definitely improved, and the staff change has helped with that, but also Moose worked with Edwards all summer to help him improve in his game. I'd like to see Moose join the staff.I am glad that DeAngelo was re-signed, and as for Stewart never practicing due to injuries, he is finally healthy, and he has been practicing every day in camp. Fantasy wise people don't like RBBC, but in real life it's great for teams to have tandem backs, and I think the Panthers are very fortunate to have two great backs that enjoy sharing the ball with each other.
Giants perspective ... I only watched though most of the 3rd quarter
Offense
QB - Eli looked like crap with 2 big overthrows to wide open receivers
Sage Rosenfells looked pretty good I would think he is leading the BU job ...Carr didn't play
RB - Jacobs and Bradshaw looked good but the rest looked like crap ... I was very disappointed that Hynoski was not with the 1st team
Bear Poscoe is to slow at fullback and can't stay ahead of the RBs
TEs - looked ok ... I like Poscoe much better here and 3 different TEs caught passes for a total of 6 catches. All 3 are 270 plus lbs.
Beckum didn't play ... He is probably their best receiving TE but listening to him talk he does not seem very confident.
WRs - Nicks looked very good and Hixon looks like he is wrapping up the wr3 job. Don't think Manningham played. I thought Cruz looked OK he made a tough catch while getting hit. Jernigan looks scared.
OL - God awful ... This was the biggest disappointment ... I know they had a lot of change on the line but they got 2 years younger and 5 lbs bigger on average so I thought they would be much better than this. Left Side and Middle of the line looked like they were made of paper. Right side looked better on big runs by Jacobs and Bradshaw.
Defense
Line - Looked good ... Pierre Paul looks ridiculous and Canty looked very good. Don't know who Alex Hall is but he looked pretty good especially on his sack of Newton. He's only 240 lbs though
LBs - Looked much better than expected Boley was very good and Goff looked good. Greg Jones looked very good on Special teams and he has the look of a MLB
DBs - As disappointing as the OL ... the Safties and Corners absolutely sucked. They couldn't cover or tackle - Terrell Thomas looked like a pee wee trying to tackle Jonathan Stewart. Tyler Sash looked terrible on his first few plays missing tackles and coverage then getting beat for TD to Olsen but he turned it around and looked much better from there on out.
Special Teams - DISASTER - ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE !!! Jernigan has showed nothing at all yet. He looks terrified and has yet to make a single move once he has the ball. Punting - Dodge has to go (no hang time at all on punts. Filed Goals 1 of 4 (though 2 were 50 plus) ... Coverage excruciatingly bad !!!!!
Coaching ... Team looked completely unprepared ... Coverage Team coaches should have 1 week to fix their problems or pack there bags ... Disgraceful.
Offense
QB - Eli looked like crap with 2 big overthrows to wide open receivers
Sage Rosenfells looked pretty good I would think he is leading the BU job ...Carr didn't play
RB - Jacobs and Bradshaw looked good but the rest looked like crap ... I was very disappointed that Hynoski was not with the 1st team
Bear Poscoe is to slow at fullback and can't stay ahead of the RBs
TEs - looked ok ... I like Poscoe much better here and 3 different TEs caught passes for a total of 6 catches. All 3 are 270 plus lbs.
Beckum didn't play ... He is probably their best receiving TE but listening to him talk he does not seem very confident.
WRs - Nicks looked very good and Hixon looks like he is wrapping up the wr3 job. Don't think Manningham played. I thought Cruz looked OK he made a tough catch while getting hit. Jernigan looks scared.
OL - God awful ... This was the biggest disappointment ... I know they had a lot of change on the line but they got 2 years younger and 5 lbs bigger on average so I thought they would be much better than this. Left Side and Middle of the line looked like they were made of paper. Right side looked better on big runs by Jacobs and Bradshaw.
Defense
Line - Looked good ... Pierre Paul looks ridiculous and Canty looked very good. Don't know who Alex Hall is but he looked pretty good especially on his sack of Newton. He's only 240 lbs though
LBs - Looked much better than expected Boley was very good and Goff looked good. Greg Jones looked very good on Special teams and he has the look of a MLB
DBs - As disappointing as the OL ... the Safties and Corners absolutely sucked. They couldn't cover or tackle - Terrell Thomas looked like a pee wee trying to tackle Jonathan Stewart. Tyler Sash looked terrible on his first few plays missing tackles and coverage then getting beat for TD to Olsen but he turned it around and looked much better from there on out.
Special Teams - DISASTER - ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE !!! Jernigan has showed nothing at all yet. He looks terrified and has yet to make a single move once he has the ball. Punting - Dodge has to go (no hang time at all on punts. Filed Goals 1 of 4 (though 2 were 50 plus) ... Coverage excruciatingly bad !!!!!
Coaching ... Team looked completely unprepared ... Coverage Team coaches should have 1 week to fix their problems or pack there bags ... Disgraceful.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Qimqam,
I agree with just about everything you wrote
The OL did not look good I am hoping that with more practice time under their belt that they will gel
I hope that Hynoski wins the starting FB job because I think (hope) it will make two positions (FB & TE) better. Agree that Bear is a better TE than FB.
I thought that Devin Thomas looked good at WR as well. Jerrnigan did look scared out there but he didn’t get any blocks from the special teams unit.
Sash looks good in the box but he looks like a liability in coverage. Ross looked horrible last night, I hope Price can make it back soon.
For the Panthers, that defense has the potential to be very good. You kind of have to temper your expectations a little because they were going against an offensive line that had not played together before but with that said I think there were at least 3 starters out for the Panthers….and big time guys to!
Beason, Johnson and Davis were out. If the young QB’s don’t put the defense in bad positions the Panthers defense could surprise some folks
It’s been said that a young QB’s best friend is a good TE….well Olsen is playing with a bunch of young QB’s. Olsen is going to put up good fantasy numbers this season.
Edwards did look good returning punts and I hope the guy gets a chance to show what he can do ( I live in NC) but I will tell Panther fans that the Giants special teams have sucked for years and it doesn’t look like anything has changed so they might not be the best team to judge Edwards performance against
I agree with just about everything you wrote
The OL did not look good I am hoping that with more practice time under their belt that they will gel
I hope that Hynoski wins the starting FB job because I think (hope) it will make two positions (FB & TE) better. Agree that Bear is a better TE than FB.
I thought that Devin Thomas looked good at WR as well. Jerrnigan did look scared out there but he didn’t get any blocks from the special teams unit.
Sash looks good in the box but he looks like a liability in coverage. Ross looked horrible last night, I hope Price can make it back soon.
For the Panthers, that defense has the potential to be very good. You kind of have to temper your expectations a little because they were going against an offensive line that had not played together before but with that said I think there were at least 3 starters out for the Panthers….and big time guys to!
Beason, Johnson and Davis were out. If the young QB’s don’t put the defense in bad positions the Panthers defense could surprise some folks
It’s been said that a young QB’s best friend is a good TE….well Olsen is playing with a bunch of young QB’s. Olsen is going to put up good fantasy numbers this season.
Edwards did look good returning punts and I hope the guy gets a chance to show what he can do ( I live in NC) but I will tell Panther fans that the Giants special teams have sucked for years and it doesn’t look like anything has changed so they might not be the best team to judge Edwards performance against
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
All three starting LBs.Both starting CBs.Both starting DEs.7 of 11 starters did not play.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Now I am worried about the Giants offensive line and more impressed with the Panthers D
Redskins released Shayne Graham this morning ... I wouldn't be surprised to see the Giants snatch him up immediately
solorca
Footballguy
good point. I was speaking more from a historical perspective, but it should definitely be noted that he's been practicing this offseason.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I know it is one game,1st one of preseason, but D. Williams looked sharp..he might be grossly undervalued at his current ADP, especially if J. Stewart gets hurt..
if this game was any indication, JPP is going to be a sack monster this season, someone that IDP leagues should consider watching in preseason.
Giants defense is going to give up a lot of big plays thru the air..they can't defend the pass...Nicks was wide open on a few routes that Eli just overthrew..once that clicks, that combo is going to be lethal.
Bradshaw looked strong, ran with authority...
Clausen looked like crap, despite the TD drive he looked like a deer in the headlights out there.
if this game was any indication, JPP is going to be a sack monster this season, someone that IDP leagues should consider watching in preseason.
Giants defense is going to give up a lot of big plays thru the air..they can't defend the pass...Nicks was wide open on a few routes that Eli just overthrew..once that clicks, that combo is going to be lethal.
Bradshaw looked strong, ran with authority...
Clausen looked like crap, despite the TD drive he looked like a deer in the headlights out there.
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