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Pasquarelli: McGahee "Misreading" Holes (1 Viewer)

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From Len Pasquarelli's "Tip Sheet"...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1868983

The ol' "Tip Sheet" was on hiatus during our training camp trek but, while the whole Buffalo Bills tailback story is old news, we can't help take a look back at a situation that was (and remains) much ado about absolutely nothing. Why Travis Henry had to spout off about the possibility of losing his starting job to Willis McGahee is insane.

Unless Henry is still rehabbing from the rib injury he suffered last week (which came after his public rant about wanting to be traded if he dropped to No. 2 on the depth chart), he is going to be the Bills' starter for 2004.

The guy ought to listen to top Buffalo officials, who admire his toughness and productivity, instead of being so insecure as to create ghosts where there really are none.

The Bills honestly feel that McGahee still isn't 100 percent recovered from his catastrophic knee surgery, and won't be until sometime around October. Henry is their guy and McGahee, who is still misreading some holes, will get "touches" as the backup.

But once Henry went public with his conjured-up hysterics, the McGahee camp felt compelled to answer back. The so-called "source close to McGahee," who hinted that the former Miami star had requested a trade if not the opening day starter was, of course, agent Drew Rosenhaus.

Unlike a lot of league people, we love Rosenhaus, and not just because he has always shot straight with us. Nope, the guy does his job, and sees part of that job as getting McGahee into the most advantageous position possible.

Think part of the rationale in airing the McGahee trade story wasn't aimed at maybe trying to get the former University of Miami star dealt to the tailback-needy Dolphins?

So we've got no quibble with the McGahee camp, other than the fact there really has been no demand for a trade. McGahee's day will come. Probably by 2005. If he demonstrates to the Bills that he is whole again, one of the two backs will be trade bait for next season, as general manager Tom Donahoe tries to recoup a high-round pick to compensate for the No. 1 choice in '05 that he spent this year to get quarterback J.P. Losman.

But as for immediate impact, all the rhetoric did was spawn senseless stories for some media outlets desperate for a story.
Interesting. Pretty much the same rationale that guys like myself and Aaron Rudinicki have been saying since March!When your knee goes ">" it's gonna take time to heal.

When you're competing against a guy who will play - and produce - through seperated ribs and broken legs, you'll have to be SuperMcGahee, er, Superman to get the job away from him.

And the bottom line remains: There's plenty of touches to go around. Henry's gonna get 25 a game while SuperMac get 8-10. No doubt with "Super Pimp", Drew Rosenhaus, striking up his brass band behind every carry. :rotflmao:

Cheers! :pickle: :pickle: :pickle:

 
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From Len Pasquarelli's "Tip Sheet"...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1868983

The Bills honestly feel that McGahee still isn't 100 percent recovered from his catastrophic knee surgery, and won't be until sometime around October. Henry is their guy and McGahee, who is still misreading some holes, will get "touches" as the backup.
Interesting. Pretty much the same rationale that guys like myself and Aaron Rudinicki have been saying since March!

When your knee goes ">" it's gonna take time to heal.

When you're competing against a guy who will play - and produce - through seperated ribs and broken legs, you'll have to be SuperMcGahee, er, Superman to get the job away from him.

And the bottom line remains: There's plenty of touches to go around. Henry's gonna get 25 a game while SuperMac get 8-10. No doubt with "Super Pimp", Drew Rosenhaus, striking up his brass band behind every carry. :rotflmao:

Cheers! :pickle: :pickle: :pickle:

If McGahee is fully recovered in October, and begins lighting it up like he did in College, isn't there a possibility he cuts into Henry's numbers?

 
And the bottom line remains: There's plenty of touches to go around. Henry's gonna get 25 a game while SuperMac get 8-10
I firmly believe that Henry will get the majority of the carries this year. However, the numbers you are predicting are not realistic. 35 carries per game translates into 595 rushes, and that doesnt take into account any QB rushes (granted Bledsoe doesnt run much), WR reverses etc... Count all that in and you are up to about 650 rushes on the year -- way to high.Say the Bills rush 500 times this year, and about 420 go to Henry/McGahee. If you believe in Henry and predict a 75 - 25% split, that would translate into 315 carries on the year and 18.5 per game (although I think that a 70 - 30% split is more reasonable -- this would translate into 294 carries on the year and 17 carries per game).Multiply that by 4.2 yards per carry (last year he averaged 4.11) and you reach 1323 yards on the year (or 1234 in our "worst case scenario"). Figure about 12 TD's (no way does McGahee get the goalline carries -- that would be ridiculous).Add a few dozen receptions )too lazy to do that now) and a few more receiving TD's and you have, in my opinion, an undervalued RB that should be taken at the end of the first/bottom of the second round.
 
Does it aggravate the hell out of anyone else how Pasquarelli always says "we" and "us" instead of "I" and "me," even though he's really only speaking for himself? It's as though he's afraid to take full responsibility for anything he says.Thanks for the info though. Travis Henry has been the great unkown for me this year.

 
McGahee and Henry will splittMcGahee will get the goal linesCount on it
I'm weighing your bare commentary against Henry's TD production during the last 2 years. I'm not going to "count on it."Henry is not Shipp, Barber, or other TD-less RBs. I think he has demonstrated enough nose for the end zone for us not to reach the conclusion that we should count on the backup stealing a significant amount of TDs.
 
McGahee and Henry will splittMcGahee will get the goal linesCount on it
I'm weighing your bare commentary against Henry's TD production during the last 2 years. I'm not going to "count on it."Henry is not Shipp, Barber, or other TD-less RBs. I think he has demonstrated enough nose for the end zone for us not to reach the conclusion that we should count on the backup stealing a significant amount of TDs.
Not to mention Henry is one of the better short-yardage backs in the NFL.
 
McGahee will get the goal linesCount on it
uh.....WRONG !! Henry is more than adequate at the goal line. Have you every seen him run?
 
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In a 14 team redraft league I grabbed Henry as my #2 RB behind Alexander with the 23rd pick! :shock: Talk about people being scared for no reason. Henry is tough and plays through pain! I hope they sit him during their last preseason game as a precautionary reason. Willis doesn't hit the holes with the same explosion as Henry. This story is SO overhyped and it helped him acquire a SOLID #2 RB this year. Thank you to all you people who hyped up Willis. :thumbup: BTW, I snagged Thomas Jones (the real deal) in the 4th round with the 51st pick. I felt kind of guilty about it but after watching every preseason Bears game, I am licking my chops! The line is for real and so is Jone's explosion through the holes! He's reading his blockers perfectly and his explosion is lightning quick. :excited:

 
Drew Rosenhaus is a slimebag.Carry on.
No way. If he'd do it, I'd hire Rosenhaus to come in and pimp me to my bosses next time ratings sessions come around. This guy has done a great job of promoting the sack of crap that McGahee has been thus far as a pro. Rosenhaus has had absolutely nothing to work with, but he still got McGahee taken in the first round and has had his name all over the sports news outlets this preseason. You might not like him, but the man is doing his job well.
 
Drew Rosenhaus is a slimebag.Carry on.
No way. If he'd do it, I'd hire Rosenhaus to come in and pimp me to my bosses next time ratings sessions come around. This guy has done a great job of promoting the sack of crap that McGahee has been thus far as a pro. Rosenhaus has had absolutely nothing to work with, but he still got McGahee taken in the first round and has had his name all over the sports news outlets this preseason. You might not like him, but the man is doing his job well.
He a good shill (spelling??) but I don't understand how anyone would listen to him at this point. He has no credibitlity. Wasn't McGahee supposed to be an all star last year??
 
In a 14 team redraft league I grabbed Henry as my #2 RB behind Alexander with the 23rd pick! :shock: Talk about people being scared for no reason. Henry is tough and plays through pain! I hope they sit him during their last preseason game as a precautionary reason. Willis doesn't hit the holes with the same explosion as Henry. This story is SO overhyped and it helped him acquire a SOLID #2 RB this year. Thank you to all you people who hyped up Willis. :thumbup: BTW, I snagged Thomas Jones (the real deal) in the 4th round with the 51st pick. I felt kind of guilty about it but after watching every preseason Bears game, I am licking my chops! The line is for real and so is Jone's explosion through the holes! He's reading his blockers perfectly and his explosion is lightning quick. :excited:
10 team redraft- I got henry at the mid-3rd, also as RB2 behind Alexander, pick number 26. Then followed with Jones at 6.5, pick number 55. Hope we're both right. :)
 
assuming both are healthy, expect Henry to get about 300-350 carries this year and McGahee about 100-150. McGahee will be the 3rd down back and also give Henry a breather at times. Henry will get more receptions in the new offense than he had last year, and will also get the goalline carries.The team will be a run-first offense, and the increase in rushing attempts will make it possible for Henry to come very close to repeating last year's numbers. I'd also expect him to be more effective on the carries he gets as the offensive line play should be improved with the addition of Jim McNally and a healthy crew of WRs to keep defenses honest.nothing new to report here.

 
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-dc- wrote:

I firmly believe that Henry will get the majority of the carries this year. However, the numbers you are predicting are not realistic. 35 carries per game translates into 595 rushes, and that doesnt take into account any QB rushes (granted Bledsoe doesnt run much), WR reverses etc... Count all that in and you are up to about 650 rushes on the year -- way to high.
Hey man, I said "touches" not carries. And I do believe the Bills will give Henry and SuperMac 35 touches a game, with the proven back getting the majority of the work.And another point that has to be made here is, Mac is supposed to be 100% in October. Of course, that's barring no setback or injury. He's just as likely, if not more so, to get injured as Henry.For anyone to make bold predictions of role reversals flies in the face of everything written to date by the major news sources.Cheers! :pickle: :pickle: :pickle:
 
Does it aggravate the hell out of anyone else how Pasquarelli always says "we" and "us" instead of "I" and "me," even though he's really only speaking for himself? It's as though he's afraid to take full responsibility for anything he says.Thanks for the info though. Travis Henry has been the great unkown for me this year.
All royalty gets to refer to themselves in the plural.
 
I've got Henry in a keeper league & have been a big supporter of his but I am concerned this season. I agree that Henry will see 300+ carries & McGahee between 100-150. The problem for me is when the carries will come. I think McGahee could really drop Henry down to a below average #2 RB over the last quarter of the season. Sure, Henry will still get his 300+ carries, but is 66% of that going to come in the 1st 8 weeks? Do Henry & McGahee become a true RBBC over the last 5 or 6 weeks of the season? That's a bad spot to be put in right before the fantasy playoffs begin, & I don't think anyone can answer that yet. If you get Henry, grab a top end RB #3, 'cause you might need him around week 14.

 
I got Henry in my draft with the 33rd pick and I couldn't be happier. And people in my draft thougth I was crazy for taking him that high!I'm confident that Henry will have a BETTER year than last year if he's healthly. The Bills can possibly be worse than last year.

 
I feel like I need to contribute too. Picked Henry #25 overall behind SA #5. Thank you to Drew Rosenhaus and to the pre-season pro-McGahee hype band.:grineartoear:

 
the only problem is that henry is a lock to be injured, in fact he is now. his running style is the culprit. and with a viable option this year (joe burns was there last year) he will be in the stands and not playing injured.plus, its not looking good for buffalo this year. when the bills lose with henry as the starter, changes will be made. also, henry is the back that will be dealt(aassuming willis is healthy), might as well see if willis can hold up with henry still on the roster.plus, who says pasquerilliy is right?lastlty, misreading holes? the buffalo o-line doesnt open holes, they blow chunks, rendering this article useless

 
I got Henry in my draft with the 33rd pick and I couldn't be happier. And people in my draft thougth I was crazy for taking him that high!I'm confident that Henry will have a BETTER year than last year if he's healthly. The Bills can possibly be worse than last year.
henry is hurt now. was hurt last year but played cause he was the only option. was hurt his rookie season , was hurt in college.you get the picture.and bufffalo's oline is worse
 
I'd also expect him to be more effective on the carries he gets as the offensive line play should be improved with the addition of Jim McNally and a healthy crew of WRs to keep defenses honest.
hopefully the oline is playing possum. they havent shown anything in the preseason.
 
I'd also expect him to be more effective on the carries he gets as the offensive line play should be improved with the addition of Jim McNally and a healthy crew of WRs to keep defenses honest.
hopefully the oline is playing possum. they havent shown anything in the preseason.
agreed. but, it's just the preseason. no need to panic just yet. Mike Williams has been a slug and injured, but he may still come around.I believe in Jim McNally. He turned a bunch of crap into a solid line with the Giants a few years ago. He should have plenty to work with on this unit.
 
I'd also expect him to be more effective on the carries he gets as the offensive line play should be improved with the addition of Jim McNally and a healthy crew of WRs to keep defenses honest.
hopefully the oline is playing possum. they havent shown anything in the preseason.
agreed. but, it's just the preseason. no need to panic just yet. Mike Williams has been a slug and injured, but he may still come around.I believe in Jim McNally. He turned a bunch of crap into a solid line with the Giants a few years ago. He should have plenty to work with on this unit.
as a bills season ticket holder, i hit the panic button when mike williams showed up at 400 lbs. they dont have a LG, jennings seems to always miss a handful of games and capable backup tackle m.price is hurt/injured.and least they have a qb who can manuever in the pocket and scramble though. :rotflmao:
 
I think they'll get the running game working. Whether the line can pass protect or not is still to be determined. It takes time for an O-line to gel, and the first unit has barely had any time playing together this training camp. I think they'll come around. They might not be as good as I hoped for, but they should be decent and hopefully will get better as the season progresses.

 
henry is hurt now. was hurt last year but played cause he was the only option. was hurt his rookie season , was hurt in college.you get the picture.and bufffalo's oline is worse
Henry didn't play last year only because he was Buffalo's only option - he played because he is tough and wanted the ball. If he wasn't the kind of guy to play through injury, he would have been on the bench regardless of who was backing him up. And don't tell me "he was hurt in college." As a Vol fan who watched him for 4 years, I know that he was tough as nails then and could be counted on week after week.Yes, McGahee take away some carries. But Henry will still be the primary RB this year and will get his share of goalline carries.
 
henry is hurt now. was hurt last year but played cause he was the only option. was hurt his rookie season , was hurt in college.you get the picture.and bufffalo's oline is worse
Henry didn't play last year only because he was Buffalo's only option - he played because he is tough and wanted the ball. If he wasn't the kind of guy to play through injury, he would have been on the bench regardless of who was backing him up. And don't tell me "he was hurt in college." As a Vol fan who watched him for 4 years, I know that he was tough as nails then and could be counted on week after week.Yes, McGahee take away some carries. But Henry will still be the primary RB this year and will get his share of goalline carries.
the bills wont let him play injured. thats the point. they have a viable NFL option in willis. last year they didnt have an option. so he took the needle, and played injured. if he didnt play, the bills would have never scoredand yes, he was injured at UT. he had a knee surgery. plus, injuries take thier toll. espically on battering rams.
 
I got Henry in my draft with the 33rd pick and I couldn't be happier. And people in my draft thougth I was crazy for taking him that high!

I'm confident that Henry will have a BETTER year than last year if he's healthly. The Bills can possibly be worse than last year.
:excited: :lmao:
 
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