Pass Interference calls decide games quite often. (1 Viewer)

[Rattle and Hum]

Just wondering what most thought. Sorry if a honda.

 

[meeka]

The Vikes have back to back game winning drives that were all PI. The call today was horrible.

 

[bostonfred]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call? Did the WR have possession as his feet landed in bounds, was the ball coming loose before the knee hit the ground, where exactly was forward progress stopped.

 

[mad sweeney]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

If they insist on making it non reviewable then they should create a major/minor rule. If there's some ticky tack minor contact for PI make it a 10 yard penalty/1st down, more like illegal contact or holding calls. A major can be spot of foul like it is now. I know that adds more judgment on it but as it is, it's pretty silly to have a 50 yard penalty on a judgment call by a ref struggling to keep up with guys that run a 4.3. It's just way too powerful a penalty to not be reviewable.

 

[Phase of the Game]

The Vikes have back to back game winning drives that were all PI. The call today was horrible.

The call today was terrible but the call last week was the correct call.

 

[scott72]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

 

[NagurskiToKarr]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

 

[scott72]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

Many of them are. PI, illegal contact, holding, off sides, lined up in the neutral zone just to name a few.

 

[NagurskiToKarr]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

Many of them are. PI, illegal contact, holding, off sides, lined up in the neutral zone just to name a few.

Illegal contact is any contact beyond five yards. That's not a judgment call. It depends if the official sees it or not, but that's not judgment. That's black and white.Same with offsides and neutral zone infractions.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

Explain

 

[morris4903]

Just make it a 15 yd penalty like in college instead of a spot foul.

 

[PatrickT]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

 

[scott72]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

Many of them are. PI, illegal contact, holding, off sides, lined up in the neutral zone just to name a few.

Illegal contact is any contact beyond five yards. That's not a judgment call. It depends if the official sees it or not, but that's not judgment. That's black and white.Same with offsides and neutral zone infractions.

Nah i don't agree. The fact it's beyond 5 yards isn't the judgment part, it's the contact itself. What one ref might see as contact, another one may not. Offsides and neutral zone infractions can also be judgment calls based on how close it is or isn't to actual off sides or being in the neutral zone. One ref may call it, one may not.

 

[scott72]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

I agree with this. It gives the refs too much game changing power to award a team a 50 yard penalty when the game is on the line on a questionable PI call.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

 

[bostonfred]

Handing it off to the fullback on second and eleven from long field goal range just seems like a waste of a positive drive.

 

[bostonfred]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

Exactly. You need the refs to be able to award the full length of the pass. People still do that occasionally, giving up first and goal from the one instead of giving up the TD, especially if the pass is already on first and goal.

 

[PatrickT]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

Well, you could say that about a lot of penalties. This is the only one I can think of that isn't a set yardage, and does seem to put a lot of arbitrary power in the hands of the officials. 15 yards and an automatic 1st down is a lot to give up. Sure, defenders will drag a guy down and take the penalty, but they do that now if it's a sure TD in the end zone.Not sure if I 100% advocate this, was just a random thought I had when I read this thread.

 

[Rattle and Hum]

Just wondering what most thought. Sorry if a honda.

Also got a favorable call reviewed and upheld where Calvin Johnson was stripped while down on his back. Almost like someone really wanted Minny to win.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

Well, you could say that about a lot of penalties. This is the only one I can think of that isn't a set yardage, and does seem to put a lot of arbitrary power in the hands of the officials. 15 yards and an automatic 1st down is a lot to give up. Sure, defenders will drag a guy down and take the penalty, but they do that now if it's a sure TD in the end zone.Not sure if I 100% advocate this, was just a random thought I had when I read this thread.

I don't think that making it 15/1st for all PI flags is the way to go. It'll kill too much of the deep ball big plays. But I don't think it's fair for an incidental or borderline PI to give the offense 50 yards in penalty yardage without being reviewed. IMO it should either be reviewable or it should be categorized into major/minor like facemasks were. Although getting rid of that probably means there's a good reason not to have major/minor categories for any penalty. So, let's make it reviewable.

 

[Da Guru]

The Lions stink...but for a team as bad as the Lions to work as hard as they did today and get a two horrible calls is tough to take.

Believe me, I have little emotion left for the Lions but they got robbed today.

 

[renesauz]

Voted no. PI is one of the few judgement calls left to the refs, and it really need to stay a judgement call. Make it reviewable and you'll see a TON more PI calls because it's too much like holding...you can call it almost every pass play. This is one call that will never be added to the "reviewable" list.

There are a few other penalties in the NFL which are not curently reviewable, but should be. Facemask? Rules are clear on this now...it should only count if it pulls or twists the head...clear enough that it's not SUPPOSED to be a judgement call anymore. At least one game his year would have been changed had facemask been reviewable.

FWIW...I do agree that it was a terrible call. PI (and holding) should only be called when it effects the play.

 

[meeka]

The Vikes have back to back game winning drives that were all PI. The call today was horrible.

The call today was terrible but the call last week was the correct call.

I agree. Last week it was pretty obvious that the db took the reciever out because he was beat. This weeks call was just a db running behind a reciever.

 

[golfguy]

actually it should be a 15 yard penalty and a first down. none of this 55 yard penalty crap.

 

[pizzatyme]

actually it should be a 15 yard penalty and a first down. none of this 55 yard penalty crap.

I have to disagree here. You cannot minimize the effects of a deep WR by only giving up 15 yards on a PI penalty.I think you make the PI penalty Challengeable and give the coaches 3 challenges per game.The Lions got jobbed today!

 

[MSULions]

Just make it a 15 yd penalty like in college instead of a spot foul.

this. i'm so sick of teams chucking it up at the end of games and getting rewarded with 50 yard penalties that determine the outcome of games. it's just not fair. the officiating in the Lions game today was outright atrocious and cost them their first win - which they deserved the way the defense played. toss in two ridiculous blocking in the back calls on punt returns and that incredible non-reversal on the megatron "fumble" and that crew should be fired. that PI call GAVE minny the win. that should just not happen.

 

[MSULions]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

so? happens all the time with holding and other penalties. lineman get beat and deliberately drag down a rusher to prevent a sack and possible turnover. should that be a spot foul and loss of down because they did it on purpose? Simple fact is that PI is the ONLY spot foul in the books (aside from intentional grounding of course) and needs to be revised to 15 yards. awarding 50+ yards on plays designed to try and get a call is frustrating as hell for all fans and everyone gets burned by it...it needs to change.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

voted yes. As influential as these split second calls can be (where refs are also running full speed too) this needs to be amended. I mean a PI on a bomb is almost a td, when handed 1st and goal at 1. The issue is HOW? I've thought about this a lil, and might have something, as it is hard to set a 'standard' for PI overturns. The PI can be reviewed by either team, or refs (in last 2 mins) However, the call is up to the referee who flagged the play as PI. If after reviewing the tape that same referee is satisfied that he erred on his call, he should overturn in.

I kinda like it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Vikes have back to back game winning drives that were all PI. The call today was horrible.

The call today was terrible but the call last week was the correct call.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Just make it a 15 yd penalty like in college instead of a spot foul.

Maybe let the referee flagging have the option of giving a full PI (like now full distance) or 15 yarder (for less serious calls)don't like this as much as last idea.

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't know what's going on with the refs lately, but there have been A LOT of questionable, in fact downright horrible calls that have cost teams games. I don't remember it being even close to this bad in prior seasons. I'm not saying the fix is in yet, but how can you have instant replay that clearly shows a call should be overturned or upheld and they still manage to get it wrong? It's not like its only happened once already. Its happened several times. Odd indeed.

I heard the theory once that, since Hochule was embarrassed nationally by every broadcaster, owner and fan alike, that the calls have magically gotten worse. I have absolutely zero data to back that up, just reporting the news.Is there anyone who thinks pass interference shouldn't be a spot of the foul penalty? Would a change to just a 15 yard penalty from the LOS help here?

Not entirely. If you're getting beat 50 yards down the field you can just haul down your guy and take 15 instead of a TD.

so? happens all the time with holding and other penalties. lineman get beat and deliberately drag down a rusher to prevent a sack and possible turnover. should that be a spot foul and loss of down because they did it on purpose? Simple fact is that PI is the ONLY spot foul in the books (aside from intentional grounding of course) and needs to be revised to 15 yards. awarding 50+ yards on plays designed to try and get a call is frustrating as hell for all fans and everyone gets burned by it...it needs to change.

Yes they do but that's not as bad as hauling someone down and "saving" 35 or more yards or a TD because you know the penalty isn't as bad as getting beat. Go re-read my other posts. I'm as opposed to it being a spot foul in most instances unless it's reviewable. I just don't think that 15 yards and a 1st down for all PI calls is the way to do it. I don't want deliberate PIs to start happening more but I am sick of bad PI calls giving away massive chunks of yardage.

 

[delusional]

How about this, just change PI to 15yds automatically.

 

[mad sweeney]

How about this, just change PI to 15yds automatically.

If only someone had mentioned this before. Then there could have been some discussion about it.

 

[datonn]

Just wondering what most thought. Sorry if a honda.

Also got a favorable call reviewed and upheld where Calvin Johnson was stripped while down on his back. Almost like someone really wanted Minny to win.

The officials handed the Vikings a win today against Detroit. I'd be furious if I were a Lions fan. Almost as furious as I was after Week 1 when Packers DBs were riding Vikings WRs like rented mules without any flags being thrown. Maybe the Vikings raising some SERIOUS cane after that Week 1 debacle got some attention? Although two wrongs don't make a right. Man oh man did the Vikings luck out today on that Calvin Johnson fumble and the pass interference call late...

 

[Zow]

actually it should be a 15 yard penalty and a first down. none of this 55 yard penalty crap.

pretty sure BF showed above why this is a bad idea

 

[Zow]

FTR I voted yes presuming the refs hold up the "clear evidence to overturn" standard - meaning when the replay shows there clearly was no downfield contact and therefore not many will be overturned.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Just make it a 15 yd penalty like in college instead of a spot foul.

Maybe let the referee flagging have the option of giving a full PI (like now full distance) or 15 yarder (for less serious calls)don't like this as much as last idea.

I've always liked this idea.

 

[Donnybrook]

Voted no.

I think that would be a waste of time. The refs are not getting it right even when teams do challenge. I believe only 10 percent of all calls made on the field actually wind up ever being overturned. If that stat is true, it almost defies logic.

What about the PI non-calls? Teams would be unable to challenge those plays and they are just as bad.

 

[Godsbrother]

Personally I think Instant Replay should go away except for scoring plays and turnovers which would always be reviewed by a guy in the booth.

However if you are going to keep the current system I think pretty much everything should be reveiwable.

 

[scott72]

How about this, just change PI to 15yds automatically.

If only someone had mentioned this before. Then there could have been some discussion about it.

 

[PatrickT]

actually it should be a 15 yard penalty and a first down. none of this 55 yard penalty crap.

pretty sure BF showed above why this is a bad idea

I didn't think that was conclusive. I'm not convinced that a 15 yarder is a bad idea. I'm not convinced it's a good idea either, but I haven't read anything that's settled one way or the other in my mind. JMO.

 

[PatrickT]

Personally I think Instant Replay should go away except for scoring plays and turnovers which would always be reviewed by a guy in the booth. However if you are going to keep the current system I think pretty much everything should be reveiwable.

I agree with that. It's always seemed pretty arbitrary as to what is considered "reviewable".

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Just wondering what most thought. Sorry if a honda.

Also got a favorable call reviewed and upheld where Calvin Johnson was stripped while down on his back. Almost like someone really wanted Minny to win.

The officials handed the Vikings a win today against Detroit. I'd be furious if I were a Lions fan. Almost as furious as I was after Week 1 when Packers DBs were riding Vikings WRs like rented mules without any flags being thrown. Maybe the Vikings raising some SERIOUS cane after that Week 1 debacle got some attention? Although two wrongs don't make a right. Man oh man did the Vikings luck out today on that Calvin Johnson fumble and the pass interference call late...

I'm a Lions homer. The refs didn't lose that game for us. Orlovsky running out of the end zone did.

 

[scott72]

Personally I think Instant Replay should go away except for scoring plays and turnovers which would always be reviewed by a guy in the booth. However if you are going to keep the current system I think pretty much everything should be reveiwable.

I agree with that. It's always seemed pretty arbitrary as to what is considered "reviewable".

I'm ok with the instant replay system as is, but what I'm not ok with is when the whistle blows early thus not allowing it to be reviewed. That's a bunch of crap. A whistle happy ref shouldn't be allowed to keep a play from being reviewed just because he blew the whistle before he should have. I'm not sure how you handle the PI calls, but clearly the officials have too much power to influence games when a team chucks it up to the endzone hoping for a PI call to give them the game. It's tough to say that should be reviewable, because it's such a judgment call and how many officials are going to go against their fellow officials and change their judgment call?

 

[scott72]

Just wondering what most thought. Sorry if a honda.

Also got a favorable call reviewed and upheld where Calvin Johnson was stripped while down on his back. Almost like someone really wanted Minny to win.

The officials handed the Vikings a win today against Detroit. I'd be furious if I were a Lions fan. Almost as furious as I was after Week 1 when Packers DBs were riding Vikings WRs like rented mules without any flags being thrown. Maybe the Vikings raising some SERIOUS cane after that Week 1 debacle got some attention? Although two wrongs don't make a right. Man oh man did the Vikings luck out today on that Calvin Johnson fumble and the pass interference call late...

I'm a Lions homer. The refs didn't lose that game for us. Orlovsky running out of the end zone did.

That certainly didn't help, but as ugly as it was the Lions played good enough against the Vikings to win yesterday.

 

[puckalicious]

Agree with opinions here about CJ getting robbed on that "fumble". How many seconds/minutes/hours does a player need be fully on the ground before considered down? He was laying on the ball when the defender ripped it out.

The evidence to overturn that call could not have been more conclusive unless the home team has some way of only showing the replay they want the ref to see.

 

[MOAT]

If the penalty is 15 yds then a defender should never do anything but tackle a WR target that is more than 15 yds out.

I understand that the Lions got a few terrible calls against them yesterday. Losing a game is not a reason to change NFL rules. The refs should be held accountable for their calls instead.

 

[Short Corner]

You can't really review a judgement call. If anything, you should rally for them to eliminate judgement from the rules.

Isn't almost every call a judgement call?

No.

Incidental contact down?

 

[Ghost Rider]

That call at the end of the Detroit/Minnesota game was awful. A terrible one greatly impacted the Broncos/Jags game, too.