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Pat Yasinikas says Deangelo to get majority of the carries (1 Viewer)
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I still have him in the five-ish range.
He still doesn't crack my top three. Then again I had already assumed he'd get the majority of carries.
And he may get the majority of carries, but if Stewart steals some gl touches or if Smith doesn't get stopped at the 1 so much, DeAngelo drops significantly.
He still doesn't crack my top three. Then again I had already assumed he'd get the majority of carries.
And he may get the majority of carries, but if Stewart steals some gl touches or if Smith doesn't get stopped at the 1 so much, DeAngelo drops significantly.
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karmarooster
Footballguy
link?ETA: nevermind, i found it myself. i think the OP is misleading. from rotoworld:
quote from yasinskas, not fox.
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switz
Footballguy
Coudlnt' he have waited until after my fantasy drafts?
Day Drinker
Footballguy
Rounders
Footballguy
Seriously...my draft is Saturday and I was praying to get him at 5, not any more.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
karmarooster
Footballguy
Itchy Amos
Footballguy
I think he is criminally under-rated going into this year. The run he had in his last pre-season game reminded me of what this guy can do.
I have pick 11 in my draft, so I know I have no shot at him, but I would consider him to be in the top tier with ADP, MJD & Turner. It would not surprise me at all if he finished the year as the runaway #1 scorer at the running back position.
I have pick 11 in my draft, so I know I have no shot at him, but I would consider him to be in the top tier with ADP, MJD & Turner. It would not surprise me at all if he finished the year as the runaway #1 scorer at the running back position.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I assume this is a link from one of the RSS feeds from another site. Which links to a story from a blog on ESPN. Which DOES NOT have quotes from Fox.
Here's the entire blog article . . .
Three and Out: Panthers
August 25, 2009 9:00 AM
Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas
It's time to begin the NFC South portion of the Three and Out series we're running in conjunction with ESPNEWS. In this series, we take a look at three issues facing each team.
We'll start with the Carolina Panthers today and the NFC South portion of the series will continue through Friday with us touching on one team each day.
1. Perhaps the most common question that comes up about the Panthers is, how is quarterback Jake Delhomme going to recover from his disastrous performance in last year's playoff loss to Arizona. This should not even be an issue. Delhomme is a veteran and a total pro. He's shown the ability to bounce back before, and the playoff disaster wasn't entirely Delhomme's fault. With one of the league's best running games, coach John Fox never should have put Delhomme in a position where he had to go out and win a game on a rainy night in Charlotte. Besides, the Panthers showed they still are firmly behind Delhomme when they gave him a contract extension in the offseason.
2. It's natural to wonder if Julius Peppers' heart will be in it after he was unsuccessful in his attempt to get out of Carolina in the offseason. But Peppers doesn't really have any other choice than to give maximum effort. He's collecting over $1 million a game as the franchise player, and no matter how you look at it, he's playing for a new contract next year. Whether that comes in Carolina or elsewhere remains to be seen. But Peppers can drive up his value with a productive season.
3. There's a sudden surge of talk that DeAngelo Williams is one of the best running backs in the league. His production last year showed he's already there. But I think Williams will only enhance things this year. He won over the coaching staff with his play and the fact he's not a fumbler. That means a lot in Fox's eyes. Yes, Williams may be splitting carries with Jonathan Stewart, but Stewart's been banged up much of the preseason. Even if Stewart is healthy for the regular season, Williams still will get the bulk of the carries.
LINK
Yasinskas and I have had discussions debating the Panthers RB the last few seasons and he has often made things sound like his stories were based on what the team said when in fact it was based on his opinion and speculation.
Williams could end up with a bigger chunk of the workload this year, but I would be hesitant that Fox said that's the way it will be.
Long story short, I think this is speculative and not a quote from Fox or anyone else from the Panthers.
Here's the entire blog article . . .
Three and Out: Panthers
August 25, 2009 9:00 AM
Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas
It's time to begin the NFC South portion of the Three and Out series we're running in conjunction with ESPNEWS. In this series, we take a look at three issues facing each team.
We'll start with the Carolina Panthers today and the NFC South portion of the series will continue through Friday with us touching on one team each day.
1. Perhaps the most common question that comes up about the Panthers is, how is quarterback Jake Delhomme going to recover from his disastrous performance in last year's playoff loss to Arizona. This should not even be an issue. Delhomme is a veteran and a total pro. He's shown the ability to bounce back before, and the playoff disaster wasn't entirely Delhomme's fault. With one of the league's best running games, coach John Fox never should have put Delhomme in a position where he had to go out and win a game on a rainy night in Charlotte. Besides, the Panthers showed they still are firmly behind Delhomme when they gave him a contract extension in the offseason.
2. It's natural to wonder if Julius Peppers' heart will be in it after he was unsuccessful in his attempt to get out of Carolina in the offseason. But Peppers doesn't really have any other choice than to give maximum effort. He's collecting over $1 million a game as the franchise player, and no matter how you look at it, he's playing for a new contract next year. Whether that comes in Carolina or elsewhere remains to be seen. But Peppers can drive up his value with a productive season.
3. There's a sudden surge of talk that DeAngelo Williams is one of the best running backs in the league. His production last year showed he's already there. But I think Williams will only enhance things this year. He won over the coaching staff with his play and the fact he's not a fumbler. That means a lot in Fox's eyes. Yes, Williams may be splitting carries with Jonathan Stewart, but Stewart's been banged up much of the preseason. Even if Stewart is healthy for the regular season, Williams still will get the bulk of the carries.
LINK
Yasinskas and I have had discussions debating the Panthers RB the last few seasons and he has often made things sound like his stories were based on what the team said when in fact it was based on his opinion and speculation.
Williams could end up with a bigger chunk of the workload this year, but I would be hesitant that Fox said that's the way it will be.
Long story short, I think this is speculative and not a quote from Fox or anyone else from the Panthers.
karmarooster
Footballguy
true.but if stewart were somehow put on IR or something crazy like that, it's a all out toss-up between AP, MJD, and DWill for the top 3.Done editing to all. On second thought my Crystal ball says this is a Lie and they have traded for Ricky Williams.Deangelo is out for the year. To anyone reading, he is an 8th round "flier" at best
karmarooster
Footballguy
toss up: (PPR)
Dwill or Forte?
Dwill or Sjax?
i gotta go with dwill>forte (not high on forte), and before it was probably sjax over deangello. but with stewart basically MIA for a few weeks now, i'm starting to lean toward dwill.
Dwill or Forte?
Dwill or Sjax?
i gotta go with dwill>forte (not high on forte), and before it was probably sjax over deangello. but with stewart basically MIA for a few weeks now, i'm starting to lean toward dwill.
PantherPower
Footballguy
if by majority he means D-Will gets 55-65% of the carries, he's correct. Stewart is a very big part of the offensive game plan.
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ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I feel like Forte is going to catch less screens with the big arm of Cutler on the Bears now. Rams are a mess so I'm avoiding SJax at all costs.
jurrassic
Footballguy
I like DW and think he is a top back but the last 6 weeks of the season are pretty tough for him schedule wise. Who knows if it will look as bad as it does now, but NYJ,TB, NE, MN, NYG, NO. Granted NO isn't a tough game but that is week 17, playoffs are over for most by then.
Maven
Footballguy
Half those teams are weak vs the run. NYJ, TB, NE, NO.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
ScottNorwood said:brett5673 said:I'd put him #2 behind ADP
I've got him at #2 behind ADP as well.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Not sure why this would be news anyway. Did anyone think he was not going to get the majority of the carries? 
Maven
Footballguy
People scared of Stewart for no reason.Not sure why this would be news anyway. Did anyone think he was not going to get the majority of the carries?
Legion of Doom
Footballguy
Maybe,but that NE,MN,NYG playoff schedule might make me rethink any future drafts.Would not be the first time a player had a great FF regular season only to disappear playoff time. That said,this winter many owners will be agonzing over starting a player with a better matchup over DW,who got you to the playoffsMaven said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
1. No Sh... if you think about the way the last year has played out for Stewart and D-Wil: D-Will sees a threat and responds amazingly. Stewart is missing so much important practice time with all these injuries. He needed this offseason, now he is months behind. Williams is way ahead of Stewart right now. Stewart is no more than Chester Taylor, LeSean McCoy, Sproles...upside if the starter gets an injury.
2. I am glad I secured a trade last night to move into the 5 spot to draft DeAngelo. I thought he was going to make it to me at 10, but his highlight run and now combined with this announcement would have screwed me(even though the announcement was from the desk of Captain Obvious). People who are getting Williams in the late first are receiving a gift from the fantasy gods.
3. I can't believe so many people and fantasy mags/sites have been so down on DeAngelo. Lets review concerns about running backs people bring up
1. age- 26 prime of a running backs career
2. durability- played in 45/48 games.
3. wear- only 538 career carries, never more than 273. He is fresh.
4. talent/eyeball test- I believe he passes eyeball talent. he's not just a guy running through holes and getting tackled. He makes people miss in the open field, he outruns people, he takes good angles and has good vision,, he breaks tackles, elusive, 0 fumbles last year, great pass catcher, runs a screen really well.
5. Touches- Williams got 295 touches last year. Considering the circumstances, I'd expect a slight increase to around 315 (thats low end IMO) The Panthers run the ball a lot. They ran for 2,437 yards last year. Panthers ran 504 times for an average of 4.8 ypc. There is a lot of opportunity for Williams in this offense.
I have Williams, MJD, Turner, and Peterson equal. They all have potential to improve on already good seasons as their situations are pretty stable. Turner and Peterson will likely a ton of carries again. Williams and MJD should see increases in touches and have flashed game breaking big play ability.
2. I am glad I secured a trade last night to move into the 5 spot to draft DeAngelo. I thought he was going to make it to me at 10, but his highlight run and now combined with this announcement would have screwed me(even though the announcement was from the desk of Captain Obvious). People who are getting Williams in the late first are receiving a gift from the fantasy gods.
3. I can't believe so many people and fantasy mags/sites have been so down on DeAngelo. Lets review concerns about running backs people bring up
1. age- 26 prime of a running backs career
2. durability- played in 45/48 games.
3. wear- only 538 career carries, never more than 273. He is fresh.
4. talent/eyeball test- I believe he passes eyeball talent. he's not just a guy running through holes and getting tackled. He makes people miss in the open field, he outruns people, he takes good angles and has good vision,, he breaks tackles, elusive, 0 fumbles last year, great pass catcher, runs a screen really well.
5. Touches- Williams got 295 touches last year. Considering the circumstances, I'd expect a slight increase to around 315 (thats low end IMO) The Panthers run the ball a lot. They ran for 2,437 yards last year. Panthers ran 504 times for an average of 4.8 ypc. There is a lot of opportunity for Williams in this offense.
I have Williams, MJD, Turner, and Peterson equal. They all have potential to improve on already good seasons as their situations are pretty stable. Turner and Peterson will likely a ton of carries again. Williams and MJD should see increases in touches and have flashed game breaking big play ability.
simey
Footballguy
DeAngelo played great against the Giants last season. A player can have a great performance against a hard defense. Also d's can have bad games just like offenses, and usually you can count on some defenses being banged up during the fantasy playoffs.Maybe,but that NE,MN,NYG playoff schedule might make me rethink any future drafts.Would not be the first time a player had a great FF regular season only to disappear playoff time. That said,this winter many owners will be agonzing over starting a player with a better matchup over DW,who got you to the playoffs
Gopher State
Footballguy
Dwill is good but not top 5, here's why:
very very hard schedule this year, numbers will drop against the D's he has to play against
Jake D., will play much better, second year back from injury, I see an up tick in passing attempts/yards/TD's
Goodson has been excellent in camp, If he keeps his fumbles under control, he get more carries then people expect
Finally, as stated by other posters the quote is not coming from the coaching staff, just a sports writer, last I checked the guy writing the story isn't coaching the team
very very hard schedule this year, numbers will drop against the D's he has to play against
Jake D., will play much better, second year back from injury, I see an up tick in passing attempts/yards/TD's
Goodson has been excellent in camp, If he keeps his fumbles under control, he get more carries then people expect
Finally, as stated by other posters the quote is not coming from the coaching staff, just a sports writer, last I checked the guy writing the story isn't coaching the team
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I'm still very concerned about the schedule difference this year from last year's cakewalk. Can Carolina's rushing game beat 8 in the box?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Which is the real Williams:the one with 120 carries, 522 rushing yards, and 2 rushing TD (first 8 games) . . . or . . .the one with 153 carries, 993 rushing yards, and 15 rushing TD (final 8 games)I suspect the answer is somewhere in the middle. Obviously it's going to be insanely difficult to score at nearly a 2 TD per game pace, and I suspect that people are thinking he won't score as many TD again.
simey
Footballguy
If teams put 8 in the box Steve Smith is going to have a field day.
I was considering picking my draft slot based on where I thought I could get DeAngelo, long before this news. However, I ended up with the second pick, so I'd have to take him above MJD and Turner. I'm leaning toward MJD, but I really feel like the guy who gets DeAngelo later is going to get a steal. At three, I'd seriously consider him over Turner.
They had to do it last year. I wouldn't make too much of the perceived harder schedule. Much is being made of Williams "beating up" on soft defenses during the 2nd half of last year. However, according to the 2008 preseason Ultimate SOS here on FBG, during DWill's last 12 games, he was only supposed to fact 2 defenses that were "easy" to run against. We all know that this changed from pre-season, and by the middle and end of the season, those supposed average or tough run defenses were perceived as easy run defenses.
simey
Footballguy
Turner and DeAngelo have almost the same schedule except the Panthers play the Vikings and Cardinals whereas the Falcons play the Bears and San Francisco. Out of the NFC South, New Orleans has the easiest schedule since they play the Lions and Rams
, but the Saints still have to play the NFC East and AFC East like the rest of the NFC South.Or the one with 219 carries, 1316 rushing yards, and 18 rushing TD? (last 12 games)Why do we pick 8 games to focus on? It seems to me that Williams started slow at the beginning of the season, and then picked it up. If you're going to break things down, why not start from the point his play turned around, rather than excluding several good games he had?
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JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Exactly. SOS is pretty iffy to rely on. The year end results fluctuate significantly from what was predicted heading into the season.Not to mention that Williams runing roughshod over some of those D's helped them look statistically worse by season's end.
Tau837
Footballguy
Or, look at it this way:1st 4 games: 55/201/0 rushing (3.65 ypc), 6/24/0 receiving on 7 targetsLast 12 games: 219/1317/18 rushing (6.01 ypc), 16/97/2 receiving on 23 targetsIn 2007, this was the Panthers' starting OL:LT Travelle WhartonLG Mike WahleC Justin HartwigRG Jeremy BridgesRT Jordan GrossIn 2008, this was the Panthers' starting OL:LT Jordan GrossLG Travelle WhartonC Ryan KalilRG Keydrick VincentRT Jeff OtahEvery position has a different player, and only two players from 2007 carried over (at different positions). And Otah was a rookie. It makes sense that it took a few games for the OL to gel.On top of that, Steve Smith was suspended for the first two games.I don't think Williams is going to repeat 2008, so I agree he is "somewhere in the middle." But a lot closer to the last 12 games performance than the first 4 games performance IMO.
Tau837
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
So use 12 games instead of 8. That's 110 yards a game and 1.5 TD per game. IMO, he might be able to hit the 100 ypg mark, but the 1.5 TD per game will be hard to repeat.As with many other situations, a lot will depend on the defense. If they can be average or better, CAR can rull the ball all day long. If they are below average and get behind, they may not be in a situation to run as much.Clearly the OL was healthy and made a huge difference. If they can stay healthy again, I agree Williams should be in for another solid season.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
This is why I drafted them both.I can think of one other thing that may cause Williams to underperform the top 3 expectations. Carolina lost their nose tackle (I forget his nane and probably
couldn't spell it if I remembered it). According to what I've heard the backup is quite a step down from the starter. If the defense underperforms, it causes
two problems. First, they may not have the ball as much. Second, it they fall behind, they may not be able to run the ball 54% of the time like they did last
year. Wiliiams caught a lot of passes last year, but if I remember correctly, he didn't have a high yards per catch.
I like Williams. I'm just not sure that I like him enough to draft him where he is going in the draft.
couldn't spell it if I remembered it). According to what I've heard the backup is quite a step down from the starter. If the defense underperforms, it causes
two problems. First, they may not have the ball as much. Second, it they fall behind, they may not be able to run the ball 54% of the time like they did last
year. Wiliiams caught a lot of passes last year, but if I remember correctly, he didn't have a high yards per catch.
I like Williams. I'm just not sure that I like him enough to draft him where he is going in the draft.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If you are being serious, Yasinkas used to be a beat writer for a Carolina newspaper and now works for ESPN.
kutta
Footballguy
I'm not sure I would downgrade a RB because they lost a nose tackle from the previous year. That's a bit of a stretch, IMO.
lod01
Footballguy
Can the guy tell us something we didn't already know?If you have trouble stopping the other team, the time of possession means fewer plays for your team. If it results in the other team scoring more, it maymean that the team needs to throw more. If you don't think that affects the running back, that's fine. But I think that it can have an affect. I'm not sayinghe's not a first rounder, just that I don't think that he's a top 3 RB and it may be enough to keep him out of the top 5.
