Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

So a deal has been struck on Brady?

No, Brady is still fighting the good fight. The Patriots organization is accepting their punishment.

I'm sure Brady will get his suspension reduced to two games. To be honest even as a "salty hater" I'd like to see that. The NFL is better with their stars on the field. I'm actually kind of looking forward to watching Jimmy G on opening night - and in some ways its good for the Pats to see what they have in him - but would like Brady back for the Sunday Night game against Dallas.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So a deal has been struck on Brady?

No, Brady is still fighting the good fight. The Patriots organization is accepting their punishment.

I meant that Kraft and Goodell struck a deal, the Pats accept the team penalties and Goodell is now going to remove the four game suspension of Brady when he hears his appeal.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So a deal has been struck on Brady?

No, Brady is still fighting the good fight. The Patriots organization is accepting their punishment.

I meant that Kraft and Goodell struck a deal, the Pats accept the team penalties and Goodell is now going to remove the four game suspension of Brady when he hears his appeal.

I am guessing it will get reduced as well. He will still have to miss a game or two you would think.

 

[David Dodds]

I actually applaud Kraft for taking the high road here. The report had holes. They were likely making grounds there with the public's perception, but at what cost to the league and to their relationship with the rest of the NFL. The escalation (if it continued) was going to destroy both Goodell and the Patriots. There was not going to be a winner. There rarely is when both sides go All-In.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

The truth was the truth.

All the attempts to save-face were just that. Its too bad the Pats* fans got drug through it all.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

 

[BroadwayG]

I wonder if the Pats will have 10 fumbles per game this year.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

He really had no means to appeal and I doubt a litigation was ever really a serious consideration. He makes plenty of money from being part of the NFL.

Kraft knows that an appeal ends up in Federal Court, where Tom Brady's cell phone is no longer off-limits.

It's better for everyone to assume he's a cheater than to have that stuff revealed and have everyone know he's a cheater.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I actually applaud Kraft for taking the high road here.

^^

kraft is a stand up dude.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I actually applaud Kraft for taking the high road here. The report had holes. They were likely making grounds there with the public's perception, but at what cost to the league and to their relationship with the rest of the NFL. The escalation (if it continued) was going to destroy both Goodell and the Patriots. There was not going to be a winner. There rarely is when both sides go All-In.

Admitting their guilt through his actions (as opposed to his words) was certainly commendable.

You dont accept guilt when you arent guilty. Because that would be worse** for the league if it was the truth. (**the league pushing penalties on teams not guilty of anything).

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Roger Goodell and Patriots owner Robert Kraft already have met, spoke and even hugged, per an industry source who witnessed it.

9:06 AM - 19 May 2015

Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter

Goodell-Kraft attended Sean McManus’ 60th birthday Sat in NYC; they were spotted “on a couch, talking by themselves for quite a long time."

9:08 AM - 19 May 2015

Seems as though Goodell said something to him here to really show Kraft that look you have absolutely no shot of winning and we have you by the balls (no pun intended). Kraft was easily going to lose this appeal or there was no way he drops it.

The truth was the truth.

All the attempts to save-face were just that. Its too bad the Pats* fans got drug through it all.

Agreed. The fans wanted oh so badly for this to be nothing and for Goodell to be the bad guy. As you say though the truth was the truth.

 

[espnespn]

So a deal has been struck on Brady?

No, Brady is still fighting the good fight. The Patriots organization is accepting their punishment.

I meant that Kraft and Goodell struck a deal, the Pats accept the team penalties and Goodell is now going to remove the four game suspension of Brady when he hears his appeal.

I am guessing it will get reduced as well. He will still have to miss a game or two you would think.

I think Goodell reduces Brady's suspension to 1-2 games for obstruction only. And says there isn't enough proof of deflation, so no punishment for deflation.

Then Salty Hater nation explodes in anger.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Keep me posted guys. No TV

dude I just linked the stream

it'll probably be up there later if you want to see it

 

[LBH]

Patriots will not appeal. Translation: pats know they are cheating scumbags and will take their medicine

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Can we get an apology in here from the Pats fans who were calling all of us neutral fans trolls and idiots? Or is that to much to ask?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I actually applaud Kraft for taking the high road here. The report had holes. They were likely making grounds there with the public's perception, but at what cost to the league and to their relationship with the rest of the NFL. The escalation (if it continued) was going to destroy both Goodell and the Patriots. There was not going to be a winner. There rarely is when both sides go All-In.

Admitting their guilt through his actions (as opposed to his words) was certainly commendable.

You dont accept guilt when you arent guilty. Because that would be worse for the league if it was the truth.

Good point. This was more so for public perception or for some of the die hard Pats fans to hold onto some level of we were not guilty aspect when they are arguing about their teams legacy.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I think Goodell reduces Brady's suspension to 1-2 games for obstruction only. And says there isn't enough proof of deflation, so no punishment for deflation.

Then Salty Hater nation explodes in anger.

Nah, this admission by Kraft is plenty.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Then Salty Hater nation explodes in anger.

I doubt it.

 

[JIslander]

I don't know how you separate the Team penalty from TB, but I bet it gets reduced since Kraft finally put a stop to it...

 

[MattFancy]

I don't know how you separate the Team penalty from TB, but I bet it gets reduced since Kraft finally put a stop to it...

I can see it.

The team penalty stands because there is enough to possibly show they did it.

Brady gets reduced because of Kraft backing down and because there isn't enough to prove he had a role in it.

 

[espnespn]

I think Goodell reduces Brady's suspension to 1-2 games for obstruction only. And says there isn't enough proof of deflation, so no punishment for deflation.

Then Salty Hater nation explodes in anger.

Nah, this admission by Kraft is plenty.

It's an admission if you don't read what he actually said.

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. And at the same time, when the discipline came out, I felt it was way over the top. It was unreasonable and unprecedented, in my opinion."

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I actually applaud Kraft for taking the high road here. The report had holes. They were likely making grounds there with the public's perception, but at what cost to the league and to their relationship with the rest of the NFL. The escalation (if it continued) was going to destroy both Goodell and the Patriots. There was not going to be a winner. There rarely is when both sides go All-In.

I lost a lot of respect for Kraft during this process, but I'm glad he did the right thing in the end.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I think Goodell reduces Brady's suspension to 1-2 games for obstruction only. And says there isn't enough proof of deflation, so no punishment for deflation.

Then Salty Hater nation explodes in anger.

Nah, this admission by Kraft is plenty.

It's an admission if you don't read what he actually said.

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. And at the same time, when the discipline came out, I felt it was way over the top. It was unreasonable and unprecedented, in my opinion."

ACTIONS.

Not the mincing of words he is giving for his fan base.

Its a plain admission. Nothing less.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

The word "reluctantly" is Kraft's statement is huge. Means that he still believes that the Patriots are in the right, but he is going to end his side of the fight.

So you have to ask yourself, what does he have to gain? Kraft is a businessman after all, and an excellent one.

Bottom line: Pats just traded a first- and fourth-round pick and $1M for Tom Brady.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Bottom line: The Pats* just saved themselves a world of hurt by avoiding Federal court.

 

[pizzatyme]

So, is he still demanding an apology?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

And if Kraft wants to "end the rhetoric" and not let this drag out any more than it has, the only way he guarantees that is by not letting this story rekindle when the games kick off in September. A Brady suspension certainly wouldn't help that.

 

[MattFancy]

The word "reluctantly" is Kraft's statement is huge. Means that he still believes that the Patriots are in the right, but he is going to end his side of the fight.

So you have to ask yourself, what does he have to gain? Kraft is a businessman after all, and an excellent one.

Bottom line: Pats just traded a first- and fourth-round pick and $1M for Tom Brady.

That makes a ton of sense to me.

 

[JIslander]

The word "reluctantly" is Kraft's statement is huge. Means that he still believes that the Patriots are in the right, but he is going to end his side of the fight.

So you have to ask yourself, what does he have to gain? Kraft is a businessman after all, and an excellent one.

Bottom line: Pats just traded a first- and fourth-round pick and $1M for Tom Brady.

Reluctant maybe because they (laywer, agent etc) propped him up there before when he really thought they were innocent.

 

[David Dodds]

I think these words are telling:

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. "

This is the deal. The Patriots were doing things to the footballs for a long time. Kraft likely dd not know at the start of all of this, but became more aware as time went on. I don't doubt other teams did it too. But coupled with Goodell learned regarding the last scandal, the Commish felt he had to make an effort to change the culture.

It appears it was an over-the-top penalty because we don't know much about what was really uncovered during SpyGate. I think Kraft had to fight back to protect the legacy. To say nothing would really stain everything they had fought for. The Patriots fans wanted to fight (and likely hate that he conceded today). But the reality was this wasn't blowing over. Both sides were digging in and there was some wrong-doing by the Patriots that they were not going to be able to conceal. If they get to court, Tom's texts are likely admissable. And the ball boys will be questioned on the stand. Not sure after they were fired they were going to be super willing to perpetuate the lie on the stand.

The website laying out all of the inconsistencies was put forth to win over the public's perception. It was decent work and uncovered some problems with the Wells Report. But it still did not placate most that felt that the Patriots were bending the rules again. Had the Patriots been serious about winning in court, they would never disclose their hand.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I think these words are telling:

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. "

This is the deal. The Patriots were doing things to the footballs for a long time. Kraft likely dd not know at the start of all of this, but became more aware as time went on. I don't doubt other teams did it too. But coupled with Goodell learned regarding the last scandal, the Commish felt he had to make an effort to change the culture.

It appears it was an over-the-top penalty because we don't know much about what was really uncovered during SpyGate. I think Kraft had to fight back to protect the legacy. To say nothing would really stain everything they had fought for. The Patriots fans wanted to fight (and likely hate that he conceded today). But the reality was this wasn't blowing over. Both sides were digging in and there was some wrong-doing by the Patriots that they were not going to be able to conceal. If they get to court, Tom's texts are likely admissable. And the ball boys will be questioned on the stand. Not sure after they were fired they were going to be super willing to perpetuate the lie on the stand.

The website laying out all of the inconsistencies was put forth to win over the public's perception. It was decent work and uncovered some problems with the Wells Report. But it still did not placate most that felt that the Patriots were bending the rules again. Had the Patriots been serious about winning in court, they would never disclose their hand.

Kraft/Patriots accept responsibility as an organization, while at the same time paving the road for the player(s) to be "cleared" -- much like what happened in Bountygate. Sounds reasonable.

 

[encaitar]

No. The Bottom Line is the NFL is a cash cow and Kraft has been on the receiving end of it. No matter what you think of Goodell as a commissioner, he has made the owners a #### ton of money. If Kraft takes this issue to court and wins, he damages Goodell, which likely leads to his resignation. There is no promise they find as shrewd of a businessman to negotiate their deals with the next commissioner, possibly costing the NFL money.

If Kraft takes this to court and loses, it would be a public admittance, backed up by a federal judges opinion, that the NFL champion cheated to win their trophy. This hurts the NFL image immensely and the Patriot's image even moreso. If the public doesn't think a sport is fair, they aren't likely to pay as much to watch it.(See baseball, post HGH scandals)

If you ever want to figure out the direction a businessman is going to go, follow the money. This was Kraft's Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win was not to play and hope the public outcry goes away.

 

[Ojaays]

Seriously concerned about 12punch and run it up.

Was hoping to have them contribute to my gofundme account for Tom and Gisele...

 

[nittanylion]

Buy Brady low. Now.

Emotion aside, it's pretty close to a given that if you give Belichick and Brady some kind of tangible 'purpose', from a statistics standpoint, good things follow.

Say what you will, this is a great way to light a fire under a Team that's coming off a Championship Season.

Plus, there's always the 'truth is stranger than fiction' that for publicly standing down, Kraft and the Pats will get a kickback of some sort...I don't generally believe in conspiracy theory stuff, but, in some cases you just have to ,,,

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Seriously concerned about 12punch and run it up.

Was hoping to have them contribute to my gofundme account for Tom and Gisele...

It will be interesting to hear what they say after their ban. Or maybe it won't be so interesting. I am sure they won't be the only Pats fans hanging onto the words of Kraft saying they are still innocent and he did this for the leagues benefit. The problem is Kraft has admitted his guilt and accepted his defeat by withdrawing the appeal.

 

[Old Smiley]

Well. This is what I said on twitter on January 20 last year:

"I'm just pissed that some assistant to the assistant did something stupid and it's going to tarnish this run."

It is the Patriots organization. It's their building, it's Kraft's team. His watch.

If they couldn't PROVE their innocence, this is where they probably had to go.

We'll see how Brady's appeal goes.

 

[Old Smiley]

No. The Bottom Line is the NFL is a cash cow and Kraft has been on the receiving end of it. No matter what you think of Goodell as a commissioner, he has made the owners a #### ton of money. If Kraft takes this issue to court and wins, he damages Goodell, which likely leads to his resignation. There is no promise they find as shrewd of a businessman to negotiate their deals with the next commissioner, possibly costing the NFL money.

If Kraft takes this to court and loses, it would be a public admittance, backed up by a federal judges opinion, that the NFL champion cheated to win their trophy. This hurts the NFL image immensely and the Patriot's image even moreso. If the public doesn't think a sport is fair, they aren't likely to pay as much to watch it.(See baseball, post HGH scandals)

If you ever want to figure out the direction a businessman is going to go, follow the money. This was Kraft's Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win was not to play and hope the public outcry goes away.

No, he sat in a chair and watched it. The game is great. It sells itself.

Edit: Goodell delenda est.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think these words are telling:

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. "

This is the deal. The Patriots were doing things to the footballs for a long time. Kraft likely dd not know at the start of all of this, but became more aware as time went on. I don't doubt other teams did it too. But coupled with Goodell learned regarding the last scandal, the Commish felt he had to make an effort to change the culture.

It appears it was an over-the-top penalty because we don't know much about what was really uncovered during SpyGate. I think Kraft had to fight back to protect the legacy. To say nothing would really stain everything they had fought for. The Patriots fans wanted to fight (and likely hate that he conceded today). But the reality was this wasn't blowing over. Both sides were digging in and there was some wrong-doing by the Patriots that they were not going to be able to conceal. If they get to court, Tom's texts are likely admissable. And the ball boys will be questioned on the stand. Not sure after they were fired they were going to be super willing to perpetuate the lie on the stand.

The website laying out all of the inconsistencies was put forth to win over the public's perception. It was decent work and uncovered some problems with the Wells Report. But it still did not placate most that felt that the Patriots were bending the rules again. Had the Patriots been serious about winning in court, they would never disclose their hand.

why is every post a conspiracy theory?

the reality is if you are a member of the nfl owners you pretty much have no alternative but to suck it up --- there's no labor laws or unions to protect these guys.

it's like getting fined by your country club because they didn't like the color of your tie.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think these words are telling:

"I think I made it clear when the report came out that I didn’t think it was fair. There was no hard evidence, and everything was circumstantial. "

This is the deal. The Patriots were doing things to the footballs for a long time. Kraft likely dd not know at the start of all of this, but became more aware as time went on. I don't doubt other teams did it too. But coupled with Goodell learned regarding the last scandal, the Commish felt he had to make an effort to change the culture.

It appears it was an over-the-top penalty because we don't know much about what was really uncovered during SpyGate. I think Kraft had to fight back to protect the legacy. To say nothing would really stain everything they had fought for. The Patriots fans wanted to fight (and likely hate that he conceded today). But the reality was this wasn't blowing over. Both sides were digging in and there was some wrong-doing by the Patriots that they were not going to be able to conceal. If they get to court, Tom's texts are likely admissable. And the ball boys will be questioned on the stand. Not sure after they were fired they were going to be super willing to perpetuate the lie on the stand.

The website laying out all of the inconsistencies was put forth to win over the public's perception. It was decent work and uncovered some problems with the Wells Report. But it still did not placate most that felt that the Patriots were bending the rules again. Had the Patriots been serious about winning in court, they would never disclose their hand.

why is every post a conspiracy theory?

the reality is if you are a member of the nfl owners you pretty much have no alternative but to suck it up --- there's no labor laws or unions to protect these guys.

it's like getting fined by your country club because they didn't like the color of your tie.

You mean if the country club fined you for actually wearing a green tie when the club states you are to wear red. There might be some people at the club that fight it and say no I was not wearing green when most of the club actually thinks and knows you were wearing that green tie.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

@GregABedard

Was told by a high-ranking NFL source that Kraft's decision to stand down does not include a deal on Brady. Surprising to me.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

C'mon PunchLarry. You can do it!

 

[Dickie Dunn]

@GregABedard

Was told by a high-ranking NFL source that Kraft's decision to stand down does not include a deal on Brady. Surprising to me.

I don't know if Kraft has the power to make a deal on Brady's behalf, as strange as that may sound. His case is in the hands of the NFLPA.

Oddly enough, Kraft may have an easier time swaying Goodell in that particular battle than he does his own franchise QB.

 

[HughHoney]

Rolled over and gave up because he knows his team is guilty.

 

[HughHoney]

Also Goodell has made an agreement with Kraft, Brady will get it reduced to 2 games.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Summarizing:

--The balls were deflated

--The NFL took the complaint seriously

--The Pats were fined and lost draft picks

--Tom Brady was suspended

--Rodger Goodell wasn't fired and appears to have support of the owners

--The Patriots not only didn't sue, they've dropped the PR campaign

At the end of the day it played out just like the Pats fans said it would.

 

[bostonfred]

I'm happier with this than an admission of guilt, I guess. Maybe they really did it.

 

[HughHoney]

I'm happier with this than an admission of guilt, I guess. Maybe they really did it.

This is an admission of guilt.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm happier with this than an admission of guilt, I guess. Maybe they really did it.

This is an admission of guilt.

With zero doubt.

 

[bostonfred]

Maybe it is.