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fantasysharkctb
Footballguy
Could care less.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
Then why did you open the thread?
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Because he could care less, which means he cares to some degree.Then why did you open the thread?
ft_ball_fan
Footballguy
I'm going to show how little I look ahead in the schedule.. is this next week?
I voted NE--because I think they step up and beat IND... but playoff time when they meet again (I'm sure they will) I think it will be a different story. IND has played very well with all the injuries--but NE will expose some of the shortcomings. However in the playoffs (hopefully) IND will be healthier w/some rest for key players....
I voted NE--because I think they step up and beat IND... but playoff time when they meet again (I'm sure they will) I think it will be a different story. IND has played very well with all the injuries--but NE will expose some of the shortcomings. However in the playoffs (hopefully) IND will be healthier w/some rest for key players....
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Really? How much less could you care?fantasysharkctb said:
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switz
Footballguy
I'm REALLY concerned about the Colts decimated secondary, and am not sure they are capable in this state of shutting down Moss, Welker, and Watson. Given a healthy defense, the Colts win, but this coming week, I give the edge to the Pats on paper.
If they can get in Brady's face they have a chance. He hasn't seemed to handle pressure very well this season.
Either way, Colts and Pats games are usually some of the best games to watch in a season, they're just a great rivalry.
If they can get in Brady's face they have a chance. He hasn't seemed to handle pressure very well this season.
Either way, Colts and Pats games are usually some of the best games to watch in a season, they're just a great rivalry.
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Always good to know your 8-0 team has a "chance" to win
switz
Footballguy
Always good to know your 8-0 team has a "chance" to win
Yes... typos happen.And on any given Sunday, you hope your team has a chance to win. Given that a number of teams walk in with many of their fans thinking they have no chance against a certain opponent.
djcolts
Footballguy
switz described how a lot of Colts fans really feel about this game. If the Colts of the last 3 weeks play on Sunday, they'll likely lose. If the Colts can up their level of play, they'll have a much better chance.Always good to know your 8-0 team has a "chance" to win
I know, it just struck me as funny.switz described how a lot of Colts fans really feel about this game. If the Colts of the last 3 weeks play on Sunday, they'll likely lose. If the Colts can up their level of play, they'll have a much better chance.Always good to know your 8-0 team has a "chance" to win
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Im thinking when the Pats visit the Superdome in a couple weeks that will be the Superbowl preview game.
djcolts
Footballguy
I understand how strange it sounds.I know, it just struck me as funny.switz described how a lot of Colts fans really feel about this game. If the Colts of the last 3 weeks play on Sunday, they'll likely lose. If the Colts can up their level of play, they'll have a much better chance.Always good to know your 8-0 team has a "chance" to win
switz
Footballguy
I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
Saints and Colts are the only unbeaten teams, and they've found ways to win the close ones. Colts aren't nearly healthy, I'm not sure the status of the Saints, I know they've had some beat up RBs at points. Either way, at this point in the schedule, you have to give those teams the top billings for a SB appearance.Of course on any given Sunday things can happen, but it's way too early to write off the Colts as the AFC SB favorite.
parrot
Footballguy
Miami has a weak schedule?Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
switz
Footballguy
No, I was referring to the Pats schedule. MIA was an example of how their schedule is weak.Miami has a weak schedule?Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Major WTFs in that post of yours. Buffalo, while not very good, is hardly the worst team in the league, and they played really well in that game. Miami is better than their record, but have had a nightmare of a schedule (7 of their 8 games have been against teams .500 or better, and have had to play both unbeated teams). And I wouldn't say Miami almost beat them yesterday. They lost by 10, and were never in position to win the game in the 4th quarter. Denver at 6-1 is more than just a good team.But I know, I know, nothing the Patriots do is ever good enough for you, as you are someone who always find a way to denigrate things the Patriots do.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
So we expected Brady coming off A YEAR of not playing would come in and have the Pats win 40-0 each week to start the season? How'd Manning and the Colts do after having surgery to start the year last year?MAYBE the Pats might also be expected to improve some over their performance the first few games once Brady got his sea legs back. Just a thought . . .And we all know that how teams play in September and October is more important than how a team plays at the end of the year.Even with Brady being meh early on and a ton of injuries, the Pats lost by a TD or less in two tough road games. The Colts barely beat JAX, MIA, SF, and HOU. If you want to play the "what if" game like you're doing with the Pats, the Colts could be 4-4.Funny how the Pats 10 point win over MIA is considered almost a loss when IND beat the fish by 4 points.I have no idea about either of these teams going forward, who is more of a favorite to win the SB, or how they stack up on Sunday this week. But come on, you're better than making the Pats look like a glorified .500 team.I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.Saints and Colts are the only unbeaten teams, and they've found ways to win the close ones. Colts aren't nearly healthy, I'm not sure the status of the Saints, I know they've had some beat up RBs at points. Either way, at this point in the schedule, you have to give those teams the top billings for a SB appearance.Of course on any given Sunday things can happen, but it's way too early to write off the Colts as the AFC SB favorite.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
So we expected Brady coming off A YEAR of not playing would come in and have the Pats win 40-0 each week to start the season? How'd Manning and the Pats do after having surgery to start the year last year?MAYBE the Pats might also be expected to improve some over their performance the first few games once Brady got his sea legs back. Just a thought . . .And we all know that how teams play in September and October is more important than how a team plays at the end of the year.Even with Brady being meh early on and a ton of injuries, the Pats lost by a TD or less in two tough road games. The Colts barely beat JAX, MIA, SF, and HOU. If you want to play the "what if" game like you're doing with the Pats, the Colts could be 4-4.Funny how the Pats 10 point win over MIA is considered almost a loss when IND beat the fish by 4 points.I have no idea about either of these teams going forward, who is more of a favorite to win the SB, or how they stack up on Sunday this week. But come on, you're better than making the Pats look like a glorified .500 team.I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
, except for the last sentence.
Workhorse
Footballguy
Lost by 10 and were outgained by 100 yards. And the majority of Miami's success was running a gimmick QB option package that got totally shut down once the Patriots made adjustments in the second half.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Strength of opponents . . .IND 26-39 (.400)No, I was referring to the Pats schedule. MIA was an example of how their schedule is weak.Miami has a weak schedule?Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
NEP 28-35 (.444)
Nigel
Footballguy
So you're predicting 4-4 or 3-5 over their last 8, and that's only because they'll benefit from a weak schedule? What do you think, 1 or 2 more wins if their schedule was average? Zero if it was tough?I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
djcolts
Footballguy
Pats are #1 in "Pure Points" according to Sagarin
Please don't let this thread devolve because someone claims the Pats aren't that good. They are. How good they are (or any of the "contenders" are) will be determined as we roll through the season.
Please don't let this thread devolve because someone claims the Pats aren't that good. They are. How good they are (or any of the "contenders" are) will be determined as we roll through the season.
parrot
Footballguy
Oh, my bad, I misunderstood. I don't see where the Pats schedule is any easier than the Colts.No, I was referring to the Pats schedule. MIA was an example of how their schedule is weak.Miami has a weak schedule?Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
switz
Footballguy
Love how defensive Pats fans get when anyone even slightly criticizes their team.I fully expected the Pats to improve as Brady got a little more confident in his knee... and I never said I expected them to win 40-0 every week.I agree the Colts have won some tough games as well, but the difference is they haven't lost ANY, whereas the Pats have. Not sure what's debatable about that.As for the Fish yesterday, the game was much closer than the score indicated. And in the Indy-MIA game, the Colts absolutely dominated Miami, winning while only having the ball for 15 minutes of possession. As for the PAts projected 10-6, 9-7 finish, they are 6-2 now, and this is how I see their remaining schedule:Nov 15 NE @ IND - L (Could go either way)Nov 22 NYJ @ NE - W (Jets could beat them twice, but I think the Pats will crush them, esp. if they lose to IND)Nov 30 NE @ NO - L (NO has the better D of the two teams, and the better O)Dec 06 NE @ MIA - L (Miami won't lose twice to NE)Dec 13 CAR @ NE - W (CAR stinks)Dec 20 NE @ BUF - W (BUF stinks)Dec 27 JAC @ NE - L (MJD has a field day)Jan 03 NE @ HOU - W (Might be pretty close)Now there are some games that could go either way, but that's what I was basing my estimated finish on. BTW, neither 10-6 nor 9-7 are .500... both are better than .500. Last year they went 11-5, and still missed the playoffs right?So we expected Brady coming off A YEAR of not playing would come in and have the Pats win 40-0 each week to start the season? How'd Manning and the Pats do after having surgery to start the year last year?MAYBE the Pats might also be expected to improve some over their performance the first few games once Brady got his sea legs back. Just a thought . . .And we all know that how teams play in September and October is more important than how a team plays at the end of the year.Even with Brady being meh early on and a ton of injuries, the Pats lost by a TD or less in two tough road games. The Colts barely beat JAX, MIA, SF, and HOU. If you want to play the "what if" game like you're doing with the Pats, the Colts could be 4-4.Funny how the Pats 10 point win over MIA is considered almost a loss when IND beat the fish by 4 points.I have no idea about either of these teams going forward, who is more of a favorite to win the SB, or how they stack up on Sunday this week. But come on, you're better than making the Pats look like a glorified .500 team.I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
From Week 8 on, in the BB and TB era NE has gone 53-11 (.828) in the regular season and 67-14 (.827) when you include the post season.I'll be nice and ignore 2001 for the Colts, but since 2002 the Colts are 35-14 (.714) in the last 8 games of the regular season and 49-20 (.710) when you add in the post season as well. You are entilted to your opinion, but I don't see NE going 4-4 the rest of the way.Love how defensive Pats fans get when anyone even slightly criticizes their team.I fully expected the Pats to improve as Brady got a little more confident in his knee... and I never said I expected them to win 40-0 every week.I agree the Colts have won some tough games as well, but the difference is they haven't lost ANY, whereas the Pats have. Not sure what's debatable about that.As for the Fish yesterday, the game was much closer than the score indicated. And in the Indy-MIA game, the Colts absolutely dominated Miami, winning while only having the ball for 15 minutes of possession. As for the PAts projected 10-6, 9-7 finish, they are 6-2 now, and this is how I see their remaining schedule:Nov 15 NE @ IND - L (Could go either way)Nov 22 NYJ @ NE - W (Jets could beat them twice, but I think the Pats will crush them, esp. if they lose to IND)Nov 30 NE @ NO - L (NO has the better D of the two teams, and the better O)Dec 06 NE @ MIA - L (Miami won't lose twice to NE)Dec 13 CAR @ NE - W (CAR stinks)Dec 20 NE @ BUF - W (BUF stinks)Dec 27 JAC @ NE - L (MJD has a field day)Jan 03 NE @ HOU - W (Might be pretty close)Now there are some games that could go either way, but that's what I was basing my estimated finish on. BTW, neither 10-6 nor 9-7 are .500... both are better than .500. Last year they went 11-5, and still missed the playoffs right?So we expected Brady coming off A YEAR of not playing would come in and have the Pats win 40-0 each week to start the season? How'd Manning and the Pats do after having surgery to start the year last year?MAYBE the Pats might also be expected to improve some over their performance the first few games once Brady got his sea legs back. Just a thought . . .And we all know that how teams play in September and October is more important than how a team plays at the end of the year.Even with Brady being meh early on and a ton of injuries, the Pats lost by a TD or less in two tough road games. The Colts barely beat JAX, MIA, SF, and HOU. If you want to play the "what if" game like you're doing with the Pats, the Colts could be 4-4.Funny how the Pats 10 point win over MIA is considered almost a loss when IND beat the fish by 4 points.I have no idea about either of these teams going forward, who is more of a favorite to win the SB, or how they stack up on Sunday this week. But come on, you're better than making the Pats look like a glorified .500 team.I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
thehornet
Footballguy
worst case scenario is 12-4.Love how defensive Pats fans get when anyone even slightly criticizes their team.I fully expected the Pats to improve as Brady got a little more confident in his knee... and I never said I expected them to win 40-0 every week.I agree the Colts have won some tough games as well, but the difference is they haven't lost ANY, whereas the Pats have. Not sure what's debatable about that.As for the Fish yesterday, the game was much closer than the score indicated. And in the Indy-MIA game, the Colts absolutely dominated Miami, winning while only having the ball for 15 minutes of possession. As for the PAts projected 10-6, 9-7 finish, they are 6-2 now, and this is how I see their remaining schedule:Nov 15 NE @ IND - L (Could go either way)Nov 22 NYJ @ NE - W (Jets could beat them twice, but I think the Pats will crush them, esp. if they lose to IND)Nov 30 NE @ NO - L (NO has the better D of the two teams, and the better O)Dec 06 NE @ MIA - L (Miami won't lose twice to NE)Dec 13 CAR @ NE - W (CAR stinks)Dec 20 NE @ BUF - W (BUF stinks)Dec 27 JAC @ NE - L (MJD has a field day)Jan 03 NE @ HOU - W (Might be pretty close)Now there are some games that could go either way, but that's what I was basing my estimated finish on. BTW, neither 10-6 nor 9-7 are .500... both are better than .500. Last year they went 11-5, and still missed the playoffs right?So we expected Brady coming off A YEAR of not playing would come in and have the Pats win 40-0 each week to start the season? How'd Manning and the Pats do after having surgery to start the year last year?MAYBE the Pats might also be expected to improve some over their performance the first few games once Brady got his sea legs back. Just a thought . . .And we all know that how teams play in September and October is more important than how a team plays at the end of the year.Even with Brady being meh early on and a ton of injuries, the Pats lost by a TD or less in two tough road games. The Colts barely beat JAX, MIA, SF, and HOU. If you want to play the "what if" game like you're doing with the Pats, the Colts could be 4-4.Funny how the Pats 10 point win over MIA is considered almost a loss when IND beat the fish by 4 points.I have no idea about either of these teams going forward, who is more of a favorite to win the SB, or how they stack up on Sunday this week. But come on, you're better than making the Pats look like a glorified .500 team.I don't. Pats are 6-2, and their two losses were to good but not great teams. They nearly lost to Buffalo in week 1, which is quite likely the worst team in the league. Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
Abrantes
Footballguy
People should really stop using this as an argument. Although their record doesn't show it, Miami is a very solid team that "almost beat" not only the Patriots, but also the league's two undefeated teams. How can almost losing to them be an argument against any of those three teams, but not the others?PS. Love the Colts/Pats rivalry. Should be a fantastic game.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I know its the NFL and every team tries to win no matter what, but it looked to me like the Colts were holding something back the last 2 weeks vs SF and Hous.
But its probably that they are good enough to not play at a super high level and beat those teams.
I for one am very exicted to watch this one
But its probably that they are good enough to not play at a super high level and beat those teams.
I for one am very exicted to watch this one
switz
Footballguy
Which of the 2 losses I have pegged do you think are wins... I'm guessing you think the Colts are one of them... JAX?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
djcolts
Footballguy
It makes no sense for the Colts to hold back stuff against Houston when the division still was in a bit of doubt. A sweep by the Texans would mean they would have been back in the division race. The Colts offense struggled in the red zone against SF and Houston. That can't happen on Sunday night for the Colts.
pats3in4
Footballguy
I think NE plays the Colts like they played Atlanta...power running with lots of play-action. I'll be surprised if the Pats go predominantly shotgun. Ditto on the other side of the ball as they'll focus on stopping TE Clark (like they stopped Gonzalez) and the #1 WR Wayne (like they stopped White) while hoping they can cover the remaining weapons well enough.
Wouldn't shock me if BJGE sees lots of snaps, especially on 2nd- or 3rd-and-short. Keep an eye on whoever Darius Butler is covering as Peyton will take some shots at the rookie.
Wouldn't shock me if BJGE sees lots of snaps, especially on 2nd- or 3rd-and-short. Keep an eye on whoever Darius Butler is covering as Peyton will take some shots at the rookie.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Indy's inability to run the ball well has to be their biggest concern going into next week's game.
Also, you cannot always look at record when talking about how good a team is. Okay, I know you are what your record is, but the Jags are 4-4 and the Dolphins are 3-5. Miami's schedule has been a nightmare, while the Jags has not. But does anyone actually think the Jags are better than the Dolphins?
Also, you cannot always look at record when talking about how good a team is. Okay, I know you are what your record is, but the Jags are 4-4 and the Dolphins are 3-5. Miami's schedule has been a nightmare, while the Jags has not. But does anyone actually think the Jags are better than the Dolphins?
jurb26
Footballguy
I like NE in this game primarily because of the injuries on the Colts defense. Otherwise, I would give them the advantage as the home team. On paper this game looks like it could be a shoot out. Regardless, it's always fun to watch a rivalry like this and Brady/Manning going at it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Pats [ 51 ] [48.11%]
Colts [ 51 ] [48.11%]
It will end in a tie [ 4 ] [3.77%]
Colts [ 51 ] [48.11%]
It will end in a tie [ 4 ] [3.77%]
bostonfred
Footballguy
The difference is obviously that Miami "almost beat" the Patriots, while Miami also almost beat the Colts. Hence, the Pats have the easier schedule.Oh, my bad, I misunderstood. I don't see where the Pats schedule is any easier than the Colts.No, I was referring to the Pats schedule. MIA was an example of how their schedule is weak.Miami has a weak schedule?Miami almost beat them yesterday, and Miami is quite a stretch from good. I think they finish 10-6 or 9-7. But that's mostly to a very weak schedule.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Let's not forget that the Patriots barely beat the 3-5 Bills at home, but let's forget that the Colts barely beat the 3-5 49ers at home.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Or that Indy dominated the Dolphins by only having 15 minutes in time of possession.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I honestly had to do a double take when I read that one earlier. I was like, "Did he really say that?" Then I remembered who said it, or wrote it
, and it all made sense.
switz
Footballguy
Let's not forget that the Colts beat MIA (with Pennington, not Henne at QB) in only 15 minutes of possession, and that just because two teams both have 3-5 records doesn't mean they are equal opponents. I don't think anyone would argue that the Bills are remotely as good as San Francisco.
jurb26
Footballguy
How many injuries have the Bills suffered since they played NE in week 1? Also, how much better/in sync is Brady with his offense?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The same Chad Henne who is 3-2 as a starter (vs. Pennington, who was 0-3 as a starter) and who has been surprisingly efficient running the Dolphins offense? I can't help but think that had Henne played in the Indy game, the Dolphins might have won, as Miami's inability to make plays in the passing game is ultimately why they lost. Well, that and their defense couldn't stop Peyton the few times he got to touch the ball. No, Buffalo is not as good as SF, but they aren't the worst team in the league, like you called them earlier, either.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I have no idea who will win this game, but I do know one thing: It's completely pointless to play the "strength of schedule/they almost got beat by _____" game when looking at this matchup.
Sure, the the Pats have been beaten and looked beatable against some teams. The Colts have looked beatable at times too. Come Sunday night, none of that will matter.
This isn't the BCS. We're going to see them play this season, likely more than once. The winner of each game will probably be whoever makes one extra play.
Sure, the the Pats have been beaten and looked beatable against some teams. The Colts have looked beatable at times too. Come Sunday night, none of that will matter.
This isn't the BCS. We're going to see them play this season, likely more than once. The winner of each game will probably be whoever makes one extra play.
