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Payton: Don't Want to Pierre's Carries to Disrupt Bell (1 Viewer)

Payton appears to consider Bell as the lead back over Pierre and analogized getting Pierre carries to getting Meacham enough snaps and not wanting Pierre's carries to affect how "Mike Bell runs - he's a guy that gets stronger as the game goes on."

How much can Mike Bell challenge Reggie Bush for playing time when Pierre Thomas comes back?

“Each week a lot of it will depend on who we’re playing. The plan in regards to what we want to do with Reggie, that vision is pretty clear. It’s something that you guys have seen a lot of already. I think the better question would be how Pierre and Mike Bell – and I’m not drawing similarities between those two – but how do you work that rotation out? That’s something that we’re going to have to look at. A lot of it will be dependent on if Pierre is 100 percent. We think this is a week where he’s going to be able to come back. We’ll have to be smart with our personnel and our packages. We’ve been able to do that at receiver as well.

“I’m always looking at snaps and I’ll give you an example here – Marques Colston, 45 snaps; Devery Henderson, 43; Lance Moore 23; Robert Meachem, 29. Am I getting Robert Meachem enough snaps? That balance with those four players – all of them with different skill-sets – those are the things that are challenging for us and those are the things that we spend a lot of time on during the week, of trying to have enough personnel variety and feature some of the things that they do well. That same thing would apply to Pierre, Mike and Reggie. And yet you still don’t want to affect how a guy like Mike Bell runs – he’s a guy that gets stronger as the game goes on. We’ll see.”

Also...

What more did Mike Bell do than simply run through people?

“To be a runner, you have to be able to read what is being blocked and he does a good job of that. He’s pretty instinctive and he runs with an upright style so you see some collisions when he runs. But he is a guy that can put his foot in the ground and get north and south and cut back. He made a run in Houston – I know it was a preseason game – but when you look at that run a few times, it was pretty impressive. He has worked hard. To credit Mike Bell, he has come a long way from Denver, to Houston where he had an injury, and then patience last year when he was with us. He’s had a tremendous offseason and I couldn’t be happier for someone because he has worked hard at it.”

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Articles/2...0Sept%2014.aspx

 
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coachspeak at it's finest
Perhaps denial at its finest?Everything coming from Payton since Sunday has implied that Bell is the lead back and that Pierre is behind him for carries. Saints beat writer Jeff Duncan also tweeted yesterday that "Listening to Payton, it sounds like Mike Bell is the Saints' lead back now. Even if Pierre Thomas returns, Bell will be No. 1, Pierre 1A."

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp. Payton says he's happy for Bell and advised his son to draft Bell in the 8th or 9th round of his fantasy draft. Doesn't sound like Payton is planning on relegating Bell to the bench when Pierre is healthy.

 
coachspeak at it's finest
Perhaps denial at its finest?Everything coming from Payton since Sunday has implied that Bell is the lead back and that Pierre is behind him for carries. Saints beat writer Jeff Duncan also tweeted yesterday that "Listening to Payton, it sounds like Mike Bell is the Saints' lead back now. Even if Pierre Thomas returns, Bell will be No. 1, Pierre 1A."

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp. Payton says he's happy for Bell and advised his son to draft Bell in the 8th or 9th round of his fantasy draft. Doesn't sound like Payton is planning on relegating Bell to the bench when Pierre is healthy.
Just all talk to motivate PT. I wonder if his son ever drafted Bell?? :lmao:
 
coachspeak at it's finest
Perhaps denial at its finest?Everything coming from Payton since Sunday has implied that Bell is the lead back and that Pierre is behind him for carries. Saints beat writer Jeff Duncan also tweeted yesterday that "Listening to Payton, it sounds like Mike Bell is the Saints' lead back now. Even if Pierre Thomas returns, Bell will be No. 1, Pierre 1A."

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp. Payton says he's happy for Bell and advised his son to draft Bell in the 8th or 9th round of his fantasy draft. Doesn't sound like Payton is planning on relegating Bell to the bench when Pierre is healthy.
Just all talk to motivate PT. I wonder if his son ever drafted Bell?? :lmao:
Denial from PT Owners
 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
Enough of this "They were playing the Lions" BSBell went for 142 yards.ADP, MJD, Chris Johnson, Portis, Slaton, Ryan Grant, Gore, Forte. None of these guys ran for that much last year against the Lions.
becasue none of them got a carry in the fourth quarter for sure, probably the second half.
So in 11 games, none of the above listed rb's got a carry in the 4th quarter? For sure?
 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
Enough of this "They were playing the Lions" BSBell went for 142 yards.ADP, MJD, Chris Johnson, Portis, Slaton, Ryan Grant, Gore, Forte. None of these guys ran for that much last year against the Lions.
becasue none of them got a carry in the fourth quarter for sure, probably the second half.
So in 11 games, none of the above listed rb's got a carry in the 4th quarter? For sure?
i'm at work, so i don't have time to look it up right now. i will later. i'm guessing if you took their carries and extrapolated to the amount of carries bell had, though, several would have had more yards.
 
Never seen so many PT owners get defensive... PT was a nobody last year who did good when the opportunity came his way. Now Bell has the opportunity and he is doing well. Truth is Brees is so good it dont matter who you put in the backfield they are going to do good. Problem is PT owner spent a 3rd to 5th round pick on a guy that is in a full blown 3 way RBBC. This site did more than their fair share of promoting the hype. Even on the 35k contest they wanted 32 dollars for PT :popcorn:

 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
Enough of this "They were playing the Lions" BSBell went for 142 yards.ADP, MJD, Chris Johnson, Portis, Slaton, Ryan Grant, Gore, Forte. None of these guys ran for that much last year against the Lions.
becasue none of them got a carry in the fourth quarter for sure, probably the second half.
So in 11 games, none of the above listed rb's got a carry in the 4th quarter? For sure?
i'm at work, so i don't have time to look it up right now. i will later. i'm guessing if you took their carries and extrapolated to the amount of carries bell had, though, several would have had more yards.
Game 2 Grant 15 for 20 Avg 1.33Game 3 Gore 27 for 130 Avg 4.81Game 4 Forte 15 for 36 Avg 2.4Game 5 ADP 25 for 111 Avg 4.44Game 6 Slaton 17 for 80 Avg 4.71Game 7 Portis 24 for 126 Avg 5.25BELL 28 for 143 Avg 5.10How about just giving Bell some credit for a good game
 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
Enough of this "They were playing the Lions" BSBell went for 142 yards.ADP, MJD, Chris Johnson, Portis, Slaton, Ryan Grant, Gore, Forte. None of these guys ran for that much last year against the Lions.
WOW! Mike Bell for concensus #1 pick in 2010!! :goodposting:
He doesn't have to be better than those guys to be an effective fantasy starter. He just needs to be better than Pierre Thomas.
 
For all the "Mike Bell sucks" talk that's going on, I know this. PT better get his butt back on the field this week because if Bell goes off for even 75-80 yrds against the Eagles, PT won't see meaningful carries this season unless Bell or Bush gets hurt. Bottom line.

 
Payton does not give a darn amount your fantasy team. The most consistent FF player from that offense is Drew Brees with a possible going to Shockey. Everything else is in flux and will take weekly guess work on your part. He thinks he has 3 RBs and 4 WRs who deserve significant snaps. Those snaps will be distributed according health and match-up.

 
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Payton does not give a darn amount your fantasy team. The most consistent FF player from that offense is Drew Brees with a possible going to Shockey. Everything else is in flux and will take weekly guess work on your part. He thinks he has 3 RBs and 4 WRs who deserve significant snaps. Those snaps will be distributed according health and match-up.
This.

 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
Enough of this "They were playing the Lions" BSBell went for 142 yards.ADP, MJD, Chris Johnson, Portis, Slaton, Ryan Grant, Gore, Forte. None of these guys ran for that much last year against the Lions.
ummm look at everyone of those guys for a second and tell me one who was both healthy, having a passing attack that forced the D to sag, and not in a time share. Anyone? Didn't think so. I like the way Bell ran and do own him but come on he is still a limited player who does run hard lets see how he handles a legit run D like Philly next week.
 
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Mike Bell is the guy. Some of us saw this coming on draft day. I love 1st round production in the last round.

 
they were playing the Lions nuff said
This is the 4th blind assertion to this affect in the thread. Why? Just cuz you drafted him? The coach is giving explicit reasons why he doesn't want to limit bells carries. And why is Pierre Thomas some "untouchable" back (once again, because you drafted him???). 2 years ago who was he? he was just the guy in teh saints backfield, who happened to have the hot hand when Bush was last injured. Being the saints RB doesn't require superhuman ability, as you almost never see 8 man fronts, and can counter off heavy pass rushes. All it takes is time in the starting role, and so far all indications are that the guy whose call that is seem to like the former military guy who runs hard and downhill. I think instead of hating on bell, you Thomas owners oughts be acquiring him, while he is still cheap, because his owner thinks "hes a RB3 who just played detroit, might as well get something while I can"
 
Game 2 Grant 15 for 20 Avg 1.33Game 3 Gore 27 for 130 Avg 4.81Game 4 Forte 15 for 36 Avg 2.4Game 5 ADP 25 for 111 Avg 4.44Game 6 Slaton 17 for 80 Avg 4.71Game 7 Portis 24 for 126 Avg 5.25BELL 28 for 143 Avg 5.10How about just giving Bell some credit for a good game
In all fairness this speak a LOT more to the respect/attention Defenses have to give Brees and the high powered offense, but WHO CARES? This is about scoring more points not having the best players.
 
can't we all just accept that mike bell produced sunday when given the chance? and admit that he's going to run the football until he shows he can't do it - which may not happen?

i own pierre thomas and i now know i have to downgrade what i expect from him. i believe you all should do the same or you are going to be greatly disappointed. his second half may turn out like his second half from last year, but he also could easily be very average all season.

 
I own both and the only thing that concerns me is not that I grabbed PT in the 4th, but which one of these backs do I place in my lineup each week if both are healthy??

 
Never seen so many PT owners get defensive... PT was a nobody last year who did good when the opportunity came his way. Now Bell has the opportunity and he is doing well. Truth is Brees is so good it dont matter who you put in the backfield they are going to do good. Problem is PT owner spent a 3rd to 5th round pick on a guy that is in a full blown 3 way RBBC. This site did more than their fair share of promoting the hype. Even on the 35k contest they wanted 32 dollars for PT :lmao:
Exactly...Pierre did well last year...and the back on that team will be productive. Now some want to justify their pick it appears.Face it...Bell and Pierre are not premiere talents...but backs who can make the most of a good situation on a great offense. Whoever gets the carries will be valuable. And right now, it looks like Bell might be getting the carries.The only thing I would worry about is that old adage that a player won't lose his spot due to injury. It should be PT's job for that reason. But people acting as if he is just so much more talented than Bell are not thinking clearly.
 
picked up Bell in 7 dynasty leagues. Several leagues I bet the full monty on him. FF is about taking risks/chances, and I like rolling the dice with a RB who has one of the highest powered offenses in the league, and produced at a VERY high level when he's been given the ball. Not much NOT to like is there?

 
Chris Wesseling daily football dose -

The alarm bells have been sounding for Pierre Thomas in New Orleans ever since he suffered a sprained MCL in the second preseason game. Beat writers began banging the drums for physical backup Mike Bell when coach Sean Payton indicated in late August that a three-back committee was a possibility this season. Once it became clear that Thomas wouldn't shake the injury in time for the season opener, we recommended picking up Bell and playing him against the Lions. Bell's subsequent 143-yard performance led to the New Orleans Times-Picayune's idle speculation that he could be "the man" early in the season. It's important to point out, however, that Bell's current momentum is mostly a byproduct of Thomas being physically unable to carry the load as the Saints entered the season. NFL coaches are obsessively compulsive. Due to the obscene amount of game-planning that goes into each game, coaches want to have control over as many factors as possible. When they can't count on a player due to injury or unreliability, the player fades into the background until he's reliable once again. Thomas is expected to return to action this week at Philadelphia, but Payton now has a nagging concern that P.T. has never shown the ability to carry the load for long stretches of an NFL season. That's why he indicated that the game plan will be re-evaluated on a weekly basis with Thomas and Bell "competing for touches in a course of a game."In looking at the long-view, however, Payton's most telling statement was this: "A lot of it will be dependent on if Pierre is 100 percent." Possessing a well-rounded skill set, Thomas proved late last season that he's the most effective back on the roster. Payton knows that his offense is at its peak when Thomas is featured heavily. It's now up to Thomas to prove healthy and reliable enough to regain that role from Bell. Once he does, Bell will be the one fading into the background
 
From today's mailbag with Saints beat writer:

"Q: With the presense of Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas, what will Peyton do with Reggie? Will he see more time at receiver? John Bergeron, Mandeville.

A: John, the Saints use Bush in a completely different way than they do Bell or Thomas. If you watch Bush during a game he might line up wide at receiver or in the slot. He often comes in motion behind the quarterback and halfback. He catches quick screens. He's basically a satellite back, an "outlier." Bell and Thomas play the regular running back position, the same role Deuce McAllister manned so able for so many years. It's a different position entirely and I think Thomas' return gives them another runner to take snaps from Bell and give him a rest when he gets worn down. Look for Bell to get the bulk of the carries on Sundays with Thomas and Bush getting between 5-10 snaps to spread the wealth around and mix things up."

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/...estions_th.html

 
Devil in the Detail said:
From today's mailbag with Saints beat writer:

"Q: With the presense of Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas, what will Peyton do with Reggie? Will he see more time at receiver? John Bergeron, Mandeville.

A: John, the Saints use Bush in a completely different way than they do Bell or Thomas. If you watch Bush during a game he might line up wide at receiver or in the slot. He often comes in motion behind the quarterback and halfback. He catches quick screens. He's basically a satellite back, an "outlier." Bell and Thomas play the regular running back position, the same role Deuce McAllister manned so able for so many years. It's a different position entirely and I think Thomas' return gives them another runner to take snaps from Bell and give him a rest when he gets worn down. Look for Bell to get the bulk of the carries on Sundays with Thomas and Bush getting between 5-10 snaps to spread the wealth around and mix things up."

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/...estions_th.html
this might be Payton's way of easing Pierre back after missing several weeks with an injury. I don't know that I would read too much into it.
 

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