Percy Harvin = Peter Warrick (1 Viewer)

[Blackjacks]

I really like Harvin's skill for the game but I don't know how they will translate to the pro game.

Warick was almost the exact same player coming out of college. Very exciting with the ball in his hands but a shorter, smaller wide reciever.

As we saw with Warrick, size matters in the NFL, can Percy become more than a very good college player or are his limitations going to be too much to overcome?

Do you think career will end up like Warrick's?

I find these to guys almost identical when watching them in college but what's funny is they both had another wr on their team in college which I think will be better in the pros.

Warrick had Coles and Harvin has Murphy.

Your thoughts?

 

[bentley]

Percy Harvin is 2 tenths of a second faster in the 40 than Warrick was. The only thing they have in common is that they were both little guys who were electric in college. Lots and lots of receivers fall into this category.

 

[Blackjacks]

Percy Harvin is 2 tenths of a second faster in the 40 than Warrick was. The only thing they have in common is that they were both little guys who were electric in college. Lots and lots of receivers fall into this category.

So I take it you see a difference in there career?

 

[Tau837]

1. Harvin has much better speed. Warrick was at 4.58 coming out of college; Harvin ran 4.41. Big difference. And I'm pretty sure Harvin is a good deal stronger as well.

2. Not that Harvin will run the ball a lot in the NFL, but that is a big difference between them in college as well... Warrick had 24/89/1 rushing in his college career, compared to 194/1852/19 rushing for Harvin. This just shows how electric Harvin is with the ball from anywhere on the field, whereas Warrick seemed to need to get the ball in space in order to be most effective.

I don't really see them as particularly comparable.

 

[Blackjacks]

1. Harvin has much better speed. Warrick was at 4.58 coming out of college; Harvin ran 4.41. Big difference. And I'm pretty sure Harvin is a good deal stronger as well.2. Not that Harvin will run the ball a lot in the NFL, but that is a big difference between them in college as well... Warrick had 24/89/1 rushing in his college career, compared to 194/1852/19 rushing for Harvin. This just shows how electric Harvin is with the ball from anywhere on the field, whereas Warrick seemed to need to get the ball in space in order to be most effective.I don't really see them as particularly comparable.

I don't really see the rushing #'s of any kind of reference of how they will be in the pros. I'm worried about Percy getting his points from getting open and catching a pass. He, like Warrick, might have a hard time not being able to stack up size wise with the pros. I love both of their explosiveness but when needing to one thing great instead of alot of things good I just think he is going to suffer. I think he is the biggest boom/bust rookie available this year.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

If you feel compelled to make a comparison, Harvin is more like Steve Smith than Peter Warrick. Not saying he's Steve Smith just yet, but he's stronger, faster, more explosive than Warrick was.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I disagree with what you are saying blackjacks. I follow the Vikings closely and I was praying they would draft this guy. He is a special special talent and he'll show that immediately this year. Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.

I agree, Havin is more like Steve Smith and Reggie Bush combined.

 

[Blackjacks]

Great info guys. I was just going off what I saw but it's nice to see this kind of feedback about the guy. He is extremely talented.

I'm still worried about his route running but we'll see.

Keep it coming for others' that have a feeling about this guy and on the comparision (good or bad)

 

[Blackjacks]

I disagree with what you are saying blackjacks. I follow the Vikings closely and I was praying they would draft this guy. He is a special special talent and he'll show that immediately this year. Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.

I agree, Havin is more like Steve Smith and Reggie Bush combined.

Your not disagreeing with me, I was kind of askng for this feedback. I'll be the first to say I'm not right about this comparision. It's just what I thought of when I see Harvin playI hope he does, he'll be fun to watch

Those are some lofty expectations

 

[Tau837]

1. Harvin has much better speed. Warrick was at 4.58 coming out of college; Harvin ran 4.41. Big difference. And I'm pretty sure Harvin is a good deal stronger as well.2. Not that Harvin will run the ball a lot in the NFL, but that is a big difference between them in college as well... Warrick had 24/89/1 rushing in his college career, compared to 194/1852/19 rushing for Harvin. This just shows how electric Harvin is with the ball from anywhere on the field, whereas Warrick seemed to need to get the ball in space in order to be most effective.I don't really see them as particularly comparable.

I don't really see the rushing #'s of any kind of reference of how they will be in the pros. I'm worried about Percy getting his points from getting open and catching a pass. He, like Warrick, might have a hard time not being able to stack up size wise with the pros. I love both of their explosiveness but when needing to one thing great instead of alot of things good I just think he is going to suffer. I think he is the biggest boom/bust rookie available this year.

Warrick was too slow to get consistent separation in the NFL, and he wasn't tall/big enough or strong enough to compensate by overpowering or going up and over defensive backs.Harvin is much faster and is also stronger. There is no reason to believe he will have the same problems Warrick had.I cited the running numbers because it seems the Vikings intend to get him the ball in a variety of ways from scrimmage. Probably some rushing attempts, some lining up in the backfield and taking swing passes, plenty of screens, etc. His running ability shows that he can make plays from behind the line of scrimmage as well as split wide... Warrick didn't have that.

 

[Tau837]

If you feel compelled to make a comparison, Harvin is more like Steve Smith than Peter Warrick. Not saying he's Steve Smith just yet, but he's stronger, faster, more explosive than Warrick was.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Unlikely he is as bad as Warrick was, but its even more unlikely he is near the WR Steve Smith is. I would say a better comparison is Santana Moss.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i can see the comparison, to me the speed differential doesn't make that big of a difference. they both could explode and harvin's speed made him elite and Warrick's moves/agility/vision made him able to take it to the house just the same at the college level. both maybe had more hype and stats than the should have as the time they were in college each's teams were on f-ing tears of dominance.

i really don't like players labeled 'athlete' going this high in the draft like Harvin. he is a great athlete but he's not a great WR or RB. he's gonna have a hell of a transition i believe. his greatest contribution in my mind is his unreal potential on returns on special teams.

he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield. Reggie was/is the same and he has even more speed.........can't run inside at all with any vision therefore making him strangely really easy to contain(even with all the athleticism). he's not gonna be the PPR threat since he no where near the hands or understanding of route running of Reggie(not saying he's a master or anything). Harvin seems to be hell of a warrior getting back onto the field but durability is likley gonna be a concern.

i think he will have many wow plays like Reggie did as a rookie but the hype and cheers will start to fade same as they have for Reggie in the following few years.

and Warrick had seemed to finally get it(his niche') as a good open zone finder/decent to good RAC/possession guy before knee injuries derailed his career. the guy did have a 70&80 reception seasons on some god awful bengal teams so he did have a modicum of success.

 

[Blackjacks]

i can see the comparison, to me the speed differential doesn't make that big of a difference. they both could explode and harvin's speed made him elite and Warrick's moves/agility/vision made him able to take it to the house just the same at the college level. both maybe had more hype and stats than the should have as the time they were in college each's teams were on f-ing tears of dominance.i really don't like players labeled 'athlete' going this high in the draft like Harvin. he is a great athlete but he's not a great WR or RB. he's gonna have a hell of a transition i believe. his greatest contribution in my mind is his unreal potential on returns on special teams.he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield. Reggie was/is the same and he has even more speed.........can't run inside at all with any vision therefore making him strangely really easy to contain(even with all the athleticism). he's not gonna be the PPR threat since he no where near the hands or understanding of route running of Reggie(not saying he's a master or anything). Harvin seems to be hell of a warrior getting back onto the field but durability is likley gonna be a concern.i think he will have many wow plays like Reggie did as a rookie but the hype and cheers will start to fade same as they have for Reggie in the following few years.and Warrick had seemed to finally get it(his niche') as a good open zone finder/decent to good RAC/possession guy before knee injuries derailed his career. the guy did have a 70&80 reception seasons on some god awful bengal teams so he did have a modicum of success.

Against the grain compared to everyone else in this thread but very well thought out and very well stated.I also question his route running but I do see the talent.I am so confused on this guy

 

[Burning Sensation]

i can see the comparison, to me the speed differential doesn't make that big of a difference. they both could explode and harvin's speed made him elite and Warrick's moves/agility/vision made him able to take it to the house just the same at the college level. both maybe had more hype and stats than the should have as the time they were in college each's teams were on f-ing tears of dominance.i really don't like players labeled 'athlete' going this high in the draft like Harvin. he is a great athlete but he's not a great WR or RB. he's gonna have a hell of a transition i believe. his greatest contribution in my mind is his unreal potential on returns on special teams.he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield. Reggie was/is the same and he has even more speed.........can't run inside at all with any vision therefore making him strangely really easy to contain(even with all the athleticism). he's not gonna be the PPR threat since he no where near the hands or understanding of route running of Reggie(not saying he's a master or anything). Harvin seems to be hell of a warrior getting back onto the field but durability is likley gonna be a concern.i think he will have many wow plays like Reggie did as a rookie but the hype and cheers will start to fade same as they have for Reggie in the following few years.and Warrick had seemed to finally get it(his niche') as a good open zone finder/decent to good RAC/possession guy before knee injuries derailed his career. the guy did have a 70&80 reception seasons on some god awful bengal teams so he did have a modicum of success.

This is but i can see some fantasy upside for him working as the QB in the Wildcat. With that said, i believe that is a gimmicky thing that wont be around too long in the NFL. He is a great athlete, but ask Roy Williams how much thats worth as an NFL WR. Like i said in my previous post, i do think he has Santana Moss upside if he learns the WR position.

 

[Blackjacks]

The only reason I don't like the S. Moss comparison is Santana was a first round draft pick who was a polished wr coming out of Miami. He didn't have a huge transitional process to do. Miami ran a very pro style offense and Moss was pretty much a ready project for the pros.

Warrick and Harvin aren't conventional wide recievers' (atleast to date). They were drafted as talented players with upside at their respected positions. That is where I see the biggest similiarities. Usually when teams draft players and plan on moving them based on talents it doesn't work out good.

I think Childress will determine his outcome by finding unconventional ways to get him the ball.

It doesn't help he has T-Jackson there now instead of Favre.

 

[travdogg]

Unlikely he is as bad as Warrick was, but its even more unlikely he is near the WR Steve Smith is. I would say a better comparison is Santana Moss.

I was thinking more like Eric Metcalf with a little more athleticism.

 

[HeirCoryell]

Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.

Great. So now we have to hope Harvin is as naturally gifted as Peterson and suceeds in spite of the horrible Childress play calling.

 

[Bri]

Warrick wasn't half as bad as some would have you think. Granted he supposedly had a wealth of potential when he was drafted and didn't hit that, but he was reasonably productive.

I didn't care for the regime in Cincy then and felt like alot of quality talent was never developed. He was terrible in Seattle but he was an exciting prospect as a rook. Where's the in-between development? Fourth overall pick, 250 catches first four years in the league....there was some talent there to be molded.

I blame Cincy for him

 

[Bri]

I disagree with what you are saying blackjacks. I follow the Vikings closely and I was praying they would draft this guy. He is a special special talent and he'll show that immediately this year. Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.I agree, Havin is more like Steve Smith and Reggie Bush combined.

They need to devise plays to get him in space. It's a common NFL phrase that's far easier said than done. I think Adrian getting alot of the focus, makes this far easier for the Vikes than other teams.

 

[Tau837]

I disagree with what you are saying blackjacks. I follow the Vikings closely and I was praying they would draft this guy. He is a special special talent and he'll show that immediately this year. Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.I agree, Havin is more like Steve Smith and Reggie Bush combined.

They need to devise plays to get him in space. It's a common NFL phrase that's far easier said than done. I think Adrian getting alot of the focus, makes this far easier for the Vikes than other teams.

 

[Traders2001]

Same type of players ....

 

[gump]

To put it simply...Warrick's strength was his 'ball-bearing' hips that gave him incredible lateral movement. Harvin's strength is his burst.

I would guess the burst is a better skill for the NFL for an < 220 pound player.

 

[tdmills]

Unlikely he is as bad as Warrick was, but its even more unlikely he is near the WR Steve Smith is. I would say a better comparison is Santana Moss.

I was thinking more like Eric Metcalf with a little more athleticism.

Yep....also can throw a Desmond Howard type in here.

 

[Tau837]

To put it simply...Warrick's strength was his 'ball-bearing' hips that gave him incredible lateral movement. Harvin's strength is his burst.I would guess the burst is a better skill for the NFL for an < 220 pound player.

Very good post. The lateral movement works great in college, especially when on a team that is stacked with talent across the board, meaning the defense cannot key on the player in question. I think this is part of why Reggie Bush hasn't set the NFL on fire either.

 

[Tanner9919]

I disagree with what you are saying blackjacks. I follow the Vikings closely and I was praying they would draft this guy. He is a special special talent and he'll show that immediately this year. Childress has already added 30 plays designed to get Percy the ball. Harvin will make a big impact.

I agree, Havin is more like Steve Smith and Reggie Bush combined.

Your not disagreeing with me, I was kind of askng for this feedback. I'll be the first to say I'm not right about this comparision. It's just what I thought of when I see Harvin playI hope he does, he'll be fun to watch

Those are some lofty expectations

I like the Steve Smith comparison, but he might be more of a Santana Moss clone..Moss was faster, but just as electric in college..Harvin has never proven to be a durable player, he's also dogged by the stigma of being a pot-head, so it remains to be seen whther or not he can

a) stay healthy

b) stay clean and off of banned substances.

I wouldn't bet on a Florida receiver making anything more than a mediocre splash in the NFL.history says Florida WR's don't

do well at the next level...

can Harvin buck the trend? maybe..he sure is talented..but I'm being more reserved than most in here, and go the other way, i.e.,I don't think Harvin will be anything more than a gadget player - another over-hyped WR who'll be overdrafted in most fantasy leagues. Every year we go thru this with some hyped WR who everyone loves, and with the exceptions of AJ, CJ, Randy Moss, explosive rookie WR's who have Pro Bowl type first seasons are very few and far between...

I'm not bashing Harvin, he has a load of talent, but I'm not willing to put my eggs in yet another Florida WR's basket.

 

[baconisgood]

To put it simply...Warrick's strength was his 'ball-bearing' hips that gave him incredible lateral movement. Harvin's strength is his burst.I would guess the burst is a better skill for the NFL for an < 220 pound player.

Very good post. The lateral movement works great in college, especially when on a team that is stacked with talent across the board, meaning the defense cannot key on the player in question. I think this is part of why Reggie Bush hasn't set the NFL on fire either.

he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield. Reggie was/is the same and he has even more speed.........can't run inside at all with any vision therefore making him strangely really easy to contain(even with all the athleticism). he's not gonna be the PPR threat since he no where near the hands or understanding of route running of Reggie(not saying he's a master or anything). Harvin seems to be hell of a warrior getting back onto the field but durability is likley gonna be a concern.

#1. Reggie Bush has averaged something like 85 yards and 0.5 TDs per game. No he hasn't been the Barry Sanders some thought he would be but if he is very productive.#2. The league has been changing steadily towards more open passing systems. The thought of two small rookies like Royal and Jackson breaking 1000 yards each would have been inconceivable 10 years ago, now its looks like the beginning (continuation) of a new trend. Putting multiple receivers on the field prevents guys like Harvin from going up against #1 and #2 CBs who can nearly match his athleticism. If Childress is smart (sorry vikings fans, maybe next year) he will do a lot of 3 + 4 WR sets with ADP alone in the backfield. Are you going to cover Harvin with a LB or a safety? He'll blow past them and if you bring in that many defensive backs you can open yourself up to a gashing by ADP. It would be impossible to defend those situations consistently. Its a shame your QBs suck.

 

[ATC1]

I like the Steve Smith comparison, but he might be more of a Santana Moss clone..Moss was faster, but just as electric in college..Harvin has never proven to be a durable player, he's also dogged by the stigma of being a pot-head, so it remains to be seen whther or not he can a) stay healthyb) stay clean and off of banned substances.I wouldn't bet on a Florida receiver making anything more than a mediocre splash in the NFL.history says Florida WR's don't do well at the next level...can Harvin buck the trend? maybe..he sure is talented..but I'm being more reserved than most in here, and go the other way, i.e.,I don't think Harvin will be anything more than a gadget player - another over-hyped WR who'll be overdrafted in most fantasy leagues. Every year we go thru this with some hyped WR who everyone loves, and with the exceptions of AJ, CJ, Randy Moss, explosive rookie WR's who have Pro Bowl type first seasons are very few and far between...I'm not bashing Harvin, he has a load of talent, but I'm not willing to put my eggs in yet another Florida WR's basket.

I would take a chance on him as an athlete, but I'm taking Robiski over Harvin for a couple of reasons. I think the only comparison from Harvin to S. Moss is that he will score 3 games with 40 points and then most weeks he will put up goose-eggs. Harvin is not even close to being a polised WR. He needs to work on his route running. There have been rumors he is not easily coached at all, and has a problem with authority. How are coaches suppose to create special plays with a player not willing to give it his all at practice, or work on the things to make him a better WR. Character issues. Doing drugs and getting excuses to not go to the rookie symposium is just dumb. The guy screams give me my pay day and I'll run down the field every play.

 

[ravnzfan]

Unlikely he is as bad as Warrick was, but its even more unlikely he is near the WR Steve Smith is. I would say a better comparison is Santana Moss.

I was thinking more like Eric Metcalf with a little more athleticism.

Yep....also can throw a Desmond Howard type in here.

if Childress has 1/2 a brain, he tries to get Harvin 15-18 touches any way possible---a handful of carries out of a spread, a couple direct snaps...maybe a punt return or 2, and lineup as 2nd K returner w/some reversesthe threat of him seeing touches will have DC's scratching their noodle trying to defend him---while I don't advocate 20+ touches, to line him up and make the defense defend a larger area of the field can only help TJax be tolerable and have ADP bust some seriously long gains (assuming Harvin can see some success in these formats)

Peter Warwick only dreamt of being used in such a way

 

[Adebisi]

I would take a chance on him as an athlete, but I'm taking Robiski over Harvin for a couple of reasons. I think the only comparison from Harvin to S. Moss is that he will score 3 games with 40 points and then most weeks he will put up goose-eggs. Harvin is not even close to being a polised WR. He needs to work on his route running. There have been rumors he is not easily coached at all, and has a problem with authority. How are coaches suppose to create special plays with a player not willing to give it his all at practice, or work on the things to make him a better WR. Character issues. Doing drugs and getting excuses to not go to the rookie symposium is just dumb. The guy screams give me my pay day and I'll run down the field every play.

 

[TheFanatic]

Unlikely he is as bad as Warrick was, but its even more unlikely he is near the WR Steve Smith is. I would say a better comparison is Santana Moss.

I like this comparison better.And I sort of agree with BJ's here though in that his route running is a concern for me. I don't touch this guy in a redraft and see this guy not doing much for at least a couple of years based on route running, QB play and a reliance on the running game.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield.

And you're basing this on what? On absolutely nothing, that's what. You saw that he ran the ball a lot in college and you figure that must mean he can't run WR routes.Percy got plays out of the backfield because of a combination of 3 things. Urban Meyer's system, Florida's lack of even a decent "real" tailback during most of Harvin's college career, and how well Harvin did with the ball in his hands. It's not like Harvin was running the ball because he couldn't get open when playing WR. When he was asked to play WR, he was a stud in that respect too.All the reports both out of the combine, and then AGAIN at his pro-day were that scouts and coaches were astounded at how good his route running ability was. It seems that many, like you, had prematurely labeled him as an "athlete" playing WR when in reality he was a WR playing half the game at tailback.As far as the other half of being a WR goes, Harvin is already elite. He's a natural hands catcher who plays the ball in the air as well as anyone I've seen in college the last couple years. For his size, he does a tremendous job of being able to judge the ball and go up and get it in traffic. I can't recall ever seeing him drop a pass.I'm not saying Percy Harvin is like Marvin Harrison when it comes to running routes and catching the ball, but you're unfairly labeling him as an unpolished WR for no reason other than because he got some work at another position in college because he was really good at that one as well. It's funny, because I guarantee you that if Harvin had sat on the bench for all those plays that he played RB rather than playing RB, and had the exact same body of work at WR that he has now, people would consider him a polished WR.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Harvin has never proven to be a durable player, he's also dogged by the stigma of being a pot-head, so it remains to be seen whther or not he can a) stay healthy

This is my biggest concern with Harvin as well, but one thing to consider is that he got half a RB workload too, and we all know how often RBs get dinged up.If he's just a WR in the NFL, I expect the injury problems to be much less.

I wouldn't bet on a Florida receiver making anything more than a mediocre splash in the NFL.history says Florida WR's don't do well at the next level...

And unless Urban Meyer has been Florida's coach for the last 150 years (he hasn't), what the heck does it matter what Florida's NFL history at WR means? IF (and that's a big if) certain systems lead to failure in the NFL, that has to do with the coach, not the colors they wear on their jersey. What the heck does Steve Spurrier have to do with Percy Harvin? Absolutely nothing, that's what.Not to mention, half the player's in the NFL came from situations that had little or bad historic success rates in the NFL. Who was the last Tennessee quarterback to do well in the NFL before Peyton Manning? The last Cal WR to do well before Desean Jackson? The last Oklahoma (or Bob Stoops coached for that matter) RB before Peterson? The last Purdue quarterback before Brees? Etc etc etc.

 

[Tau837]

he's not a polished WR at all and he's a run to daylight runner when in the backfield.

And you're basing this on what? On absolutely nothing, that's what. You saw that he ran the ball a lot in college and you figure that must mean he can't run WR routes.Percy got plays out of the backfield because of a combination of 3 things. Urban Meyer's system, Florida's lack of even a decent "real" tailback during most of Harvin's college career, and how well Harvin did with the ball in his hands. It's not like Harvin was running the ball because he couldn't get open when playing WR. When he was asked to play WR, he was a stud in that respect too.All the reports both out of the combine, and then AGAIN at his pro-day were that scouts and coaches were astounded at how good his route running ability was. It seems that many, like you, had prematurely labeled him as an "athlete" playing WR when in reality he was a WR playing half the game at tailback.As far as the other half of being a WR goes, Harvin is already elite. He's a natural hands catcher who plays the ball in the air as well as anyone I've seen in college the last couple years. For his size, he does a tremendous job of being able to judge the ball and go up and get it in traffic. I can't recall ever seeing him drop a pass.I'm not saying Percy Harvin is like Marvin Harrison when it comes to running routes and catching the ball, but you're unfairly labeling him as an unpolished WR for no reason other than because he got some work at another position in college because he was really good at that one as well. It's funny, because I guarantee you that if Harvin had sat on the bench for all those plays that he played RB rather than playing RB, and had the exact same body of work at WR that he has now, people would consider him a polished WR.

 

[Tau837]

I wouldn't bet on a Florida receiver making anything more than a mediocre splash in the NFL.history says Florida WR's don't do well at the next level...

And unless Urban Meyer has been Florida's coach for the last 150 years (he hasn't), what the heck does it matter what Florida's NFL history at WR means? IF (and that's a big if) certain systems lead to failure in the NFL, that has to do with the coach, not the colors they wear on their jersey. What the heck does Steve Spurrier have to do with Percy Harvin? Absolutely nothing, that's what.Not to mention, half the player's in the NFL came from situations that had little or bad historic success rates in the NFL. Who was the last Tennessee quarterback to do well in the NFL before Peyton Manning? The last Cal WR to do well before Desean Jackson? The last Oklahoma (or Bob Stoops coached for that matter) RB before Peterson? The last Purdue quarterback before Brees? Etc etc etc.

Exactly. The Florida WR history is irrelevant.

 

[David Yudkin]

I realize that every player is different and lumping apples with oranges is looking for trouble. But I'm not all that impressed with the crop of receivers that have come out of UF in the past 25 years. I understand that there have been a wide range of coaches, sysems, QBs, and talent over that time but the bottom line is that this group overall has not lit the world on fire.

Andre Caldwell 3.34 in 08

Dallas Baker 7.17 in 07

Chad Jackson 2.04 in 06

Taylor Jacobs 2.12 in 03

Jabar Gaffney 2.01 in 02

Reche Caldwell 2.16 in 02

John Capel 7.08 in 01

Travis Taylor 1.10 in 00

Darrell Jackson 3.18 in 00

Travis McGriff 3.32 in 99

Jacquez Green 2.04 in 98

Ike Hilliard 1.07 in 97

Reidel Anthony 1.16 in 97

Chris Doering 6.18 in 96

Jack Jackson 4.18 in 95

Willie Jackson 4.06 in 94

Harrison Houston 5.07 in 94

Ernie Mills 3.18 in 91

Stacey Simmons Colts 4.02 in 90

Tony Lomack 9.25 in 90

Willie Snead 12.14 in 89

Ricky Nattiel 1.27 in 87

Ray McDonald 7.21 in 86

Gary Rolle 11.26 in 85

They must be doing something right, as a lot of WR have been drafted. But still that's not exactly a murderer's row of WR there. Maybe a couple of them had a few decent seasons, but overall mostly not much production came from this lot.

Personally, I'll let someone else pick Harvin and in the future once he shows something I might climb on board, but for now color me skeptical.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

He also returned kickoffs. He's a very good athlete with the size and speed you want at the position. He's fluid, has very good hands and can get separation. He has never played in a pro-style offense.

There's Gil Brandt on superstud Troy Williamson. Could Harvin be a re-run? This front office regime hasn't been able to accurately assess WR talent.

 

[boilerdave]

Not to mention, half the player's in the NFL came from situations that had little or bad historic success rates in the NFL. Who was the last Tennessee quarterback to do well in the NFL before Peyton Manning? The last Cal WR to do well before Desean Jackson? The last Oklahoma (or Bob Stoops coached for that matter) RB before Peterson? The last Purdue quarterback before Brees? Etc etc etc.

huh?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_Boilermakers

Purdue has traditionally been called the 'Cradle of Quarterbacks'[1], having produced NFL stars Cecil Isbell, Dale Samuels, Bob DeMoss, NFL Hall of Famer and Super Bowl MVP Len Dawson, NFL Hall of Famer Bob Griese, Mike Phipps, Gary Danielson, Mark Herrmann, Scott Campbell, Jim Everett, Eric Hunter, Billy Dicken, Kyle Orton and Drew Brees. Purdue QBs have thrown more touchdowns in the NFL, 1,256, than any other university; with Drew Brees and Kyle Orton starting for the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos respectively.

 

[David Yudkin]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

 

[Wadsworth]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

I agree. And while any trend can be broken, too many times people want to debate the reasons for trends and if they can't find a concrete reason for them they dismiss the trend. It's a mistake to ignore a trend just because you can't figure out the cause.

 

[twitch]

I see Harvin as having more of a Laveraneous Coles type career than anything like Warrick. And that's not intended as a slight at all. Coles has been a terrific small receiver in the league for a long time. And he's been pretty consistent, battled thru injury at times, dealt with different QBs during his time. He of course was Warrick's teammate at Fla. State. Imo, the only thing that can hold Harvin down would be attitude. And thoiugh he's a bit of a primadona, I think he knows what it takes to win, focus, and prepare himself as a professional athlete. The skill, the speed, the moves, the athleticism...its all there with Percy Harvin. He just needs to stay humble, keep his nose clean, and he'll be a great player for a long time.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

He also returned kickoffs. He's a very good athlete with the size and speed you want at the position. He's fluid, has very good hands and can get separation. He has never played in a pro-style offense.

There's Gil Brandt on superstud Troy Williamson. Could Harvin be a re-run? This front office regime hasn't been able to accurately assess WR talent.

Except this front office regime did not draft Troy Williamson.

 

[Blackjacks]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

So do you like Robiskie, for dynasty purposes, more than Harvin David?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

He also returned kickoffs. He's a very good athlete with the size and speed you want at the position. He's fluid, has very good hands and can get separation. He has never played in a pro-style offense.

There's Gil Brandt on superstud Troy Williamson. Could Harvin be a re-run? This front office regime hasn't been able to accurately assess WR talent.

Except this front office regime did not draft Troy Williamson.

Are you disputing that statement? None of the WRs they drafted contribute.

 

[David Yudkin]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

So do you like Robiskie, for dynasty purposes, more than Harvin David?

As of this point I would rather have Robiskie than Harvin. After this year, who knows. But I think Robiskie will do better this year.

 

[Blackjacks]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

So do you like Robiskie, for dynasty purposes, more than Harvin David?

As of this point I would rather have Robiskie than Harvin. After this year, who knows. But I think Robiskie will do better this year.

Tough call but I think I agree with you right now

 

[FunkyPlutos]

He also returned kickoffs. He's a very good athlete with the size and speed you want at the position. He's fluid, has very good hands and can get separation. He has never played in a pro-style offense.

There's Gil Brandt on superstud Troy Williamson. Could Harvin be a re-run? This front office regime hasn't been able to accurately assess WR talent.

Except this front office regime did not draft Troy Williamson.

Are you disputing that statement? None of the WRs they drafted contribute.

No, I was not disputing the statement, just stating a fact.They have only drafted four WRs in the three drafts before Harvin.

6th round (2008): Jaymar Johnson - Practice squad last season - being praised by staff and Cris Carter as a player to possibly contribute this year. They took Johnson with the pick they acquired by trading Williamson to Jacksonville, so that makes him an interesting player to watch.

2nd round (2007): Sidney Rice - Hampered by injury this past season, but does have 8 TDs in two years - not great, but I would say he is contributing.

5th round (2007): Aundrae Allison - Hasn't shown much other than being a decent return man as a rookie.

7th round (2007): Chandler Williams - Late round guy that didn't make the team.

So, all in all, they haven't found any studs (that we know of). But they only drafted one on the first day, so expectations can't be that high. I can't really disagree with your statement, but I also can't say that you are correct either.

 

[TheFanatic]

I still think some schools are safer bets to produce talent at certain positions that stand to have a better success rate. For example, tOSU has produced Brian Robiskie, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Santonio Holmes, David Boston, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, Jeff Graham, and Cris Carter in the past 20 or so years.

So do you like Robiskie, for dynasty purposes, more than Harvin David?

As of this point I would rather have Robiskie than Harvin. After this year, who knows. But I think Robiskie will do better this year.

Tough call but I think I agree with you right now

Wow, Tim, two for two today. I would take Robiskie over Harvin too. Edwards will be out after this season so they need to get these kids into the game plan early and often. Clevelend has an aging vet at RB and an unproven player and a bad D so they should be passing a lot more than the Vikes. And Robiskie having a father that was a WR coach in the NFL is a big bonus to me...

 

[EBF]

No. Warrick couldn't run. He clocked a 4.6 on the same track that his teammate Coles ran 4.3 on.

Harvin is more along the lines of Coles, S. Moss, and S. Smith. I have him ranked as the #3 player in this rookie class. I think he will have a long and productive career as long as he works hard and stays out of trouble. All of the ability is there.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I realize that every player is different and lumping apples with oranges is looking for trouble. But I'm not all that impressed with the crop of receivers that have come out of UF in the past 25 years. I understand that there have been a wide range of coaches, sysems, QBs, and talent over that time but the bottom line is that this group overall has not lit the world on fire.Andre Caldwell 3.34 in 08Dallas Baker 7.17 in 07Chad Jackson 2.04 in 06Taylor Jacobs 2.12 in 03Jabar Gaffney 2.01 in 02Reche Caldwell 2.16 in 02John Capel 7.08 in 01Travis Taylor 1.10 in 00Darrell Jackson 3.18 in 00Travis McGriff 3.32 in 99Jacquez Green 2.04 in 98Ike Hilliard 1.07 in 97Reidel Anthony 1.16 in 97Chris Doering 6.18 in 96Jack Jackson 4.18 in 95Willie Jackson 4.06 in 94Harrison Houston 5.07 in 94Ernie Mills 3.18 in 91Stacey Simmons Colts 4.02 in 90Tony Lomack 9.25 in 90Willie Snead 12.14 in 89Ricky Nattiel 1.27 in 87Ray McDonald 7.21 in 86Gary Rolle 11.26 in 85They must be doing something right, as a lot of WR have been drafted. But still that's not exactly a murderer's row of WR there. Maybe a couple of them had a few decent seasons, but overall mostly not much production came from this lot. Personally, I'll let someone else pick Harvin and in the future once he shows something I might climb on board, but for now color me skeptical.

Aren't you the one that enters every 370+ carry RB thread and goes on and on about the difference between causation and correlation? At least there's a theory behind that hypothesis that makes some logical sense beyond "when combining the colors orange and blue at the NFL level it greatly affects a player's ability to catch the football".Do you REALLY believe that Willie Snead playing under Galen Hall's conservative running offense 20 years ago being drafted in the 12th round has any effect on Percy Harvin playing in Urban Meyer's spread offense 20 years later just because they wore the same colors? I assure you he did not, at least not any worse than Mike Pawlawski affected Aaron Rodgers.