PERCY HARVIN - ROY (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

aside from you pumping harvins "minimal" stats over wallace (yes they are minimal, and wallace averaged 6yds PER CATCH more than harvin, so there is a big difference there), harvin deserved the award so i'm not arguing that

Harvin had 120 more yards than Mike Wallace (or 15% more, if you prefer percentages), which is not "minimal". Harvin had 21 more receptions (54% more), which is FAR from "minimal". Harvin had 2 more total TDs (33% more), which is most definitely not "minimal". Harvin had 1250 more all-purpose yards (150% more), which is not very "minimal", either. Harvin also had a pro bowl, while Wallace didn't. And the fact that Wallace averaged 6 more yards per reception is totally meaningless- Devery Henderson always blows Marques Colston out of the water in YPR. Wes Welker always has one of the lowest YPRs in the league. The fact that Wallace had similar yardage with a higher ypr simply means he caught less passes, which means he produced less first downs, and when last I checked producing first downs was a good thing. Percy Harvin produced 42 receiving first downs compared to 29 for Wallace (a 45% increase- hardly a "minimal" edge).You were arguing that Wallace should be "right there", and while his numbers were close in some instances (and nowhere close in others), even if you ignore Harvin's kick returns, Wallace gets edged by Harvin in every single statistical category. Mike Wallace didn't get any votes for ORoY, but it isn't a sleight, because no matter how "minimal" the difference was between him and Harvin, there was no logical reason why anyone would have voted him ORoY over Harvin.

Everybody thinks special teams are important. Some of us just don't think it should be a consideration for Offensive Rookie of the Year. But it certainly should be a factor in Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

I'm on the fence about whether his kick return yardage should count, but I do think that his 2 TDs should count, at the very least. They put points directly on the board, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

 

[jurb26]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

I don't know about this. I always felt that Harvin would have been better at it than James if he was every really given the chance. Maybe Urban didn't want to risk him getting hurt because of his major role on offense and his injury history.There was one thing I was SURE about with Harvin coming out as a rookie. He would be fantastic on returns.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

I don't know about this. I always felt that Harvin would have been better at it than James if he was every really given the chance. Maybe Urban didn't want to risk him getting hurt because of his major role on offense and his injury history.There was one thing I was SURE about with Harvin coming out as a rookie. He would be fantastic on returns.

I am impressed with how he catches the kickoffs with his hands and not his body - really shows his hands and the confidence he has in them.

 

[Sabertooth]

What were Harvin's character issues coming out that caused him to drop in the draft? I thought they were pretty substantial.

 

[jurb26]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

I don't know about this. I always felt that Harvin would have been better at it than James if he was every really given the chance. Maybe Urban didn't want to risk him getting hurt because of his major role on offense and his injury history.There was one thing I was SURE about with Harvin coming out as a rookie. He would be fantastic on returns.

I am impressed with how he catches the kickoffs with his hands and not his body - really shows his hands and the confidence he has in them.

Rod Woodson used to do that too. I agree, it's impressive.

 

[SSOG]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

I don't know about this. I always felt that Harvin would have been better at it than James if he was every really given the chance. Maybe Urban didn't want to risk him getting hurt because of his major role on offense and his injury history.There was one thing I was SURE about with Harvin coming out as a rookie. He would be fantastic on returns.

Urban Meyer loves special teams more than anyone but Frank Beamer. Florida has an OC and a DC, but they don't have a STC because Urban Meyer fills that role. Special teams players eat first at all team meals, they come out of the tunnel first at all home games, and special teams gets a huge chunk of practice time. He uses starters liberally on STs, including studs like soon-to-be-lottery-pick Joe Haden. The commitment is a huge reason why Florida always ranks at the top of all special teams ranks. Heck, he even used Reggie Nelson, the single most important cog on the 2006 national championship team, as a punt returner. I strongly believe that if Harvin was better than James, Harvin would have handled returns. Brandon James is a good name to keep in mind for anyone in a league that rewards return yardage, because he could easily be a Josh Cribbs/Leon Washington/Darren Sproles/pre-2007 Devin Hester type in the NFL, someone with minimal offensive role who handles all of the return duties.

What were Harvin's character issues coming out that caused him to drop in the draft? I thought they were pretty substantial.

He tested positive for Marijuana at the combine, and he got suspended in high school for getting into it with a referee.

 

[Jake22]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

The really amazing thing is that the reason he never did it in college was because Florida's regular kick returner, Brandon James, is even better.

I don't know about this. I always felt that Harvin would have been better at it than James if he was every really given the chance. Maybe Urban didn't want to risk him getting hurt because of his major role on offense and his injury history.There was one thing I was SURE about with Harvin coming out as a rookie. He would be fantastic on returns.

I am impressed with how he catches the kickoffs with his hands and not his body - really shows his hands and the confidence he has in them.

Rod Woodson used to do that too. I agree, it's impressive.

Yes Woodson would do that, but in his later years it would work against him where he would have to concentrate MORE on the ball to catch it that way and it would cost him a split second of reaction time, where as if he would use his body he could get forward momentum a split second earlier so he didn't have to be so "sure handed" by using just his hands, sometimes it looked like he would catch the ball over his head, which you don't want to see.

 

[Sabertooth]

Doesn't sounds like all that big of issues to me. He didn't get physical with the ref or anything? Hopefully he keeps his head screwed on straight. Pot isn't that big of an issue. Easily quitable. As a Packer fan I was certainly impressed with the kid. With Stafford, Mathews, Raji, Harvin, Jones, Pettigrew, Loadholt, and to an extent Cutler now in the division it should have some serious potential moving forward.

 

[sho nuff]

Doesn't sounds like all that big of issues to me. He didn't get physical with the ref or anything? Hopefully he keeps his head screwed on straight. Pot isn't that big of an issue. Easily quitable. As a Packer fan I was certainly impressed with the kid. With Stafford, Mathews, Raji, Harvin, Jones, Pettigrew, Loadholt, and to an extent Cutler now in the division it should have some serious potential moving forward.

I think most agree pot is not that big of a thing on its own...but testing positive for it at the combine showed some stupidity.That said, seems to be ok with him now...fun kid to watch and hope the headaches don't derail him at all in his career.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Doesn't sounds like all that big of issues to me. He didn't get physical with the ref or anything? Hopefully he keeps his head screwed on straight. Pot isn't that big of an issue. Easily quitable. As a Packer fan I was certainly impressed with the kid. With Stafford, Mathews, Raji, Harvin, Jones, Pettigrew, Loadholt, and to an extent Cutler now in the division it should have some serious potential moving forward.

about the division. I believe they are playing the AFC East and NFC East next season, so we should see how they stack up against the "big boys."