PERCY HARVIN - ROY (2 Viewers)

[TommyKramer]

Barring injury, how is he not the offensive ROY?

Talk me off the ledge please...

 

[thatguy]

I think most would agree he's the easy favorite right now.

 

[carnac]

He would get my vote so far.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Barring injury, how is he not the offensive ROY?Talk me off the ledge please...

He's got my vote. Why are you on the ledge?

 

[gregjcross]

Barring injury, how is he not the offensive ROY?Talk me off the ledge please...

He's got my vote. Why are you on the ledge?

Not what you call a stellar year for rookies. Harvin has been good.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Barring injury, how is he not the offensive ROY?Talk me off the ledge please...

talk you "off the ledge"? Harvin is the runaway favorite.sportsbk odds:

Percy Harvin (Vikings) -150 Mark Sanchez (Jets) +200 Chris Wells (Cards) +600 Matthew Stafford (Lions) +800 Knowshon Moreno (Broncos) +800

 

[Aaronl5]

This is a no brainer

 

[Challenge Everything]

Bet the house on Harvin earning ROY.

A couple of years ago Colston was a huge underdog and people threw money on him like it was nothing. Those people made out very well when Colston won the ROY, mind you this was like week 10 as well, and those people had great shopping seasons that year.

Oh wait, when Colston was a sure lock he ended up not winning it. Ah, shucks.

 

[Shaun]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre.

Could Favre be comeback player of the year and Harvin ROTY?

I think so.

 

[kinghill]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre.

Could Favre be MVP and Harvin ROTY?

I think so.

Fixed your post.

 

[strong]

still 6 games to go--odds for beanie have been dropping very fast the past couple weeks.

would take some very special games down the stretch for beanie to become a real contender, but it's possible.

 

[Shaun]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre.

Could Favre be MVP and Harvin ROTY?

I think so.

Fixed your post.

Thanks, lol.

 

[CalBear]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre.

Could Favre be MVP and Harvin ROTY?

I think so.

Fixed your post.

Isn't that what they were saying about Favre around week 10 last year?

 

[sho nuff]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre. Could Favre be comeback player of the year and Harvin ROTY?I think so.

Comeback from what? 2nd retirement? He played in all 16 games last year. Isn't comeback player of the year for someone who was hurt or basically out of the game for some time the previous year? Not a pro bowl QB who played in all 16 games.MVP maybe...currently right there with Brees and Manning for sure.

 

[TommyKramer]

Good game Sunday - let's keep the training rolling!

 

[Mr. Yuk]

I was actually pulling for him to keep falling in the draft right on to the Ravens as someone to build a rapport with Flacco. Instead the other purple team got him, and he's been ushered into the league with a living legend Brett Favre. Could Favre be comeback player of the year and Harvin ROTY?I think so.

How has Oher played so far? I was a little upset we passed on him for Harvin but it seemed to work out for us so far.

 

[TommyKramer]

Bet the house on Harvin earning ROY.

A couple of years ago Colston was a huge underdog and people threw money on him like it was nothing. Those people made out very well when Colston won the ROY, mind you this was like week 10 as well, and those people had great shopping seasons that year.

Oh wait, when Colston was a sure lock he ended up not winning it. Ah, shucks.

Not this time...http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4800641

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It was kinda tough to buy that Harvin jersey instead of the Peterson. This makes me feel better.

 

[Jake22]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

 

[WKTSWAY]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

exactly. Wallaces numbers weren't there with Harvin's DESPITE Harvin missing pretty much 2.5 games. Add in the KR and Harvin is far and above Wallace even more.

 

[Gopher State]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

Wallace is even in the house yet lol

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

This can't be true. Florida receivers are all busts.

 

[Righetti]

I wonder if he opts out of picking up the award because he has a headache or hangnail

 

[Two Deep]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

I would think Johnny Knox would be in consideration before Wallace. 45 rec 527 yards 5 Tds; 32 KR. 927 yards 1 Td

 

[SSOG]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

 

[Multiple Scores]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

I would think Johnny Knox would be in consideration before Wallace. 45 rec 527 yards 5 Tds; 32 KR. 927 yards 1 Td

Didn't look it up but pretty sure Wallace has more yards/TDS receiving, I don't put too much stock in taking back 1/2 of the Bears kickoffs.

 

[austinball]

In my league return yards count (CBS Sportsline). So far Harvin is WR8 YTD, and the 24th most productive of all RB/WR/TE.

I got him with my 10th pick and plan to keep him next year with my 7th pick. I was hopeful he'd be good, but had no idea. Love this guy.

I'm actually surprised he's not higher in more WR lists for next year. Although I guess not everyone scores points for return yards...

 

[Gopher State]

I wonder if he opts out of picking up the award because he has a headache or hangnail

I heard he might be questionable to pick up the award, as he might be busy catching touchdown passes from some guy named Favre in the superbowl

 

[fissure man]

I wonder if he opts out of picking up the award because he has a headache or hangnail

 

[jurb26]

Not a very good crop of rookies this year. At least not as far as production. No RBs broke a 1000 yds. No QBs really made a case. 60 receptions, 790 yds and 6 TDs receiving is pretty mediocre but it was certainly the best of the group. Especially when you factor in his KO stats, which really won him the award.

 

[Jake22]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD'sok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

 

[lyon812]

People bashing him for his migraines--a serious medical condition--are probably the same ones that would take one hit over the middle and run to the sidelines in fear. Harvin's tough as nails, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to do some research.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

 

[ScottyFargo]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD's

ok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...

If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

Noooo you see, the fact is that Harvin caught 33% more catches than Wallace and was a CONSTANT and reliable target for Favre on 3rd down. You're not giving Harvin just some return yardage, you're giving him a considerable amount on top of his WR production which already superseded all rookies this year. Harvin was not the long bomb catcher for Favre, that was Rice. Favre spread the ball around a ton. 60 catches means your statement about Harvin being so good he would have outproduced vets on his team? Really. That's as ridiculous as saying Wallace should have outproduced Ward in catches while beating Holmes in YPR. I wasn't even aware that Roethlisberger had a record breaking season, all I knew was they were sitting at home while a 40 year old Favre (with his best statistical season of his career in which he broke records seemingly every week) had a complete resurgence, getting votes for comeback player of the year even though he didn't miss a single game last year.The fact that Harvin missed time only shows that he would have completely embarrassed your argument for Wallace if he wasn't toughing it out through a chronic medical condition.

 

[Bri]

People bashing him for his migraines--a serious medical condition--are probably the same ones that would take one hit over the middle and run to the sidelines in fear. Harvin's tough as nails, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to do some research.

migraines can come on for all sorts of reasons. "serious medical condition" can be stretching it in some instances. Wish we knew why he had them

 

[Bri]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD's

ok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...

If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

Noooo you see, the fact is that Harvin caught 33% more catches than Wallace and was a CONSTANT and reliable target for Favre on 3rd down. You're not giving Harvin just some return yardage, you're giving him a considerable amount on top of his WR production which already superseded all rookies this year. Harvin was not the long bomb catcher for Favre, that was Rice. Favre spread the ball around a ton. 60 catches means your statement about Harvin being so good he would have outproduced vets on his team? Really. That's as ridiculous as saying Wallace should have outproduced Ward in catches while beating Holmes in YPR. I wasn't even aware that Roethlisberger had a record breaking season, all I knew was they were sitting at home while a 40 year old Favre (with his best statistical season of his career in which he broke records seemingly every week) had a complete resurgence, getting votes for comeback player of the year even though he didn't miss a single game last year.The fact that Harvin missed time only shows that he would have completely embarrassed your argument for Wallace if he wasn't toughing it out through a chronic medical condition.

Wallace is very interesting and some good fair points are brought up. I saw him play several times and felt like Ben said "go deep" and that was it. Not his fault, I know but Harvin is downright exciting and flashes this immense potential that catches your eye. I totally agree it's Harvin

 

[SSOG]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD'sok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

You raise a very good point. Harvin didn't just put up more rushes for more yards, more catches for more yards, more total TDs, and earn a pro bowl berth... he did it in fewer games than Mike Wallace. Which is all the more reason to give the award to Mike Wallace, apparently. I do see where you're coming from about how Wallace was a big part of Ben's season, though. I mean, Ben had 4300 passing yards and a 26:12 TD:INT ratio. The guy Harvin played with only posted 4200 yards and a 33:7 TD:INT ratio, so clearly that's another point in Wallace's favor. Also, you do raise another excellent point that if Harvin was so good, Favre would have used him more and he would have caught more than 60 receptions. Just look at Mike Wallace, who was so good that he managed to catch a mind-blowing 39 balls! If only Harvin was a little bit better, he could have caught negative 21 more balls just like Wallace did.Alright now, let's just put our homer goggles aside for a second and admit that there is no world in which Mike Wallace deserved the ORoY award over Percy Harvin, even if you completely ignore his stats as a returner.Edit: and, in case you didn't notice, this is coming from a guy who owns Mike Wallace in dynasty and doesn't own Percy Harvin. Not that that should matter, because truth is truth no matter who speaks it.

 

[treat88]

Michael Oher deserved this award. Easily.

Sebastian Vollmer should have finished second.

Harvin was a distant third in comparison.

"Hype" does play a role based on position.

Mike Wallace shouldn't even be in the discussion.

 

[Phlash]

Michael Oher deserved this award. Easily.Sebastian Vollmer should have finished second.Harvin was a distant third in comparison."Hype" does play a role based on position.Mike Wallace shouldn't even be in the discussion.

I couldn't agree more. Michael Oher made that Ravens offense silly - Ray Rice had an outstanding season and Joe Flacco's numbers leaped up from last season.Seabass made an enormous impact in the games he played. Brady had his worst stats in games where Seabass was injured, but when he returned Brady went on a tear. Guy creates tons of time in the pocket for Tom by eliminating the best pass rusher from the other team.Harvin was very good, but Shianco, Rice, and Peterson were the real reason that offense clicked. Even though Adrian had a down season he took pressure off of Harvin and Brett allowing them to perform better.Wallace was just a beneficiary of some serious openings in the defense because of the coverage Ward and Holmes drew. 39 catches is not RoY material.

 

[SSOG]

Michael Oher deserved this award. Easily.Sebastian Vollmer should have finished second.Harvin was a distant third in comparison."Hype" does play a role based on position.Mike Wallace shouldn't even be in the discussion.

I didn't see a lot of Baltimore, but my impression of Oher was that he wasn't having a great season. Solid, but not spectacular. The fact that they moved him to guard only reinforced the point.

 

[lyon812]

If I'm not mistaken, an offensive lineman has never won OROY. Neither has a TE, for that matter.

 

[fissure man]

The Steelers homers campaigning for Wallace is comical.

 

[Jake22]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD'sok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

You raise a very good point. Harvin didn't just put up more rushes for more yards, more catches for more yards, more total TDs, and earn a pro bowl berth... he did it in fewer games than Mike Wallace. Which is all the more reason to give the award to Mike Wallace, apparently. I do see where you're coming from about how Wallace was a big part of Ben's season, though. I mean, Ben had 4300 passing yards and a 26:12 TD:INT ratio. The guy Harvin played with only posted 4200 yards and a 33:7 TD:INT ratio, so clearly that's another point in Wallace's favor. Also, you do raise another excellent point that if Harvin was so good, Favre would have used him more and he would have caught more than 60 receptions. Just look at Mike Wallace, who was so good that he managed to catch a mind-blowing 39 balls! If only Harvin was a little bit better, he could have caught negative 21 more balls just like Wallace did.Alright now, let's just put our homer goggles aside for a second and admit that there is no world in which Mike Wallace deserved the ORoY award over Percy Harvin, even if you completely ignore his stats as a returner.Edit: and, in case you didn't notice, this is coming from a guy who owns Mike Wallace in dynasty and doesn't own Percy Harvin. Not that that should matter, because truth is truth no matter who speaks it.

aside from you pumping harvins "minimal" stats over wallace (yes they are minimal, and wallace averaged 6yds PER CATCH more than harvin, so there is a big difference there), harvin deserved the award so i'm not arguing that, but it was STILL a dissapointing season from him considering where he got drafted and all the hype about how great he is, I drafted Harvin in the 9th round this year knowing he could be ROY, but again, I think he still came up short as far as other ROY are concerned and you can look that up as well I'm sure his stats come up short compared to others that won the award.IMO to say Harvin "underperformed" would be a true statement, since i watched every game this year, (except one week over 100 yds.) i never really saw that big week from him that everyone was waiting for all year...still waiting...disclaimer: I won my league this year (total points) by a wide margin and didn't really need harvin since i had D.Jackson, C.Johnson and B.Marshal among others (Favre/McNabb), so there is no motivation here to be mad about harvin winning it, just "dissapointing" that he didn't show more things like C.Johnson did last year that's all.

 

[treat88]

Michael Oher deserved this award. Easily.Sebastian Vollmer should have finished second.Harvin was a distant third in comparison."Hype" does play a role based on position.Mike Wallace shouldn't even be in the discussion.

I didn't see a lot of Baltimore, but my impression of Oher was that he wasn't having a great season. Solid, but not spectacular. The fact that they moved him to guard only reinforced the point.

???I didn't watch 16/16, but I don't believe he ever kicked inside.He did move to LT when Gaither went down, but so far as I know didn't see much if any time at guard.

 

[Gopher State]

A big reason Percy Harvin was named NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year was because of the great job he did returning kicks, including two for touchdowns.

Harvin, returned 42 kicks for 1,156 yards, an average of 27.5 yards per game.

He had a 101-yard return against San Francisco and an 88-yard return at Pittsburgh for the two touchdowns and was named as the NFC's kick returner for the Pro Bowl.

This is the difference between Harvin and runner ups Wallace etc., Harvin is can contribute on special teams along with being on the field for offensive plays.

Some people don't think special teams are important, but they need to think again.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

A big reason Percy Harvin was named NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year was because of the great job he did returning kicks, including two for touchdowns.

Harvin, returned 42 kicks for 1,156 yards, an average of 27.5 yards per game.

He had a 101-yard return against San Francisco and an 88-yard return at Pittsburgh for the two touchdowns and was named as the NFC's kick returner for the Pro Bowl.

This is the difference between Harvin and runner ups Wallace etc., Harvin is can contribute on special teams along with being on the field for offensive plays.

Some people don't think special teams are important, but they need to think again.

Everybody thinks special teams are important. Some of us just don't think it should be a consideration for Offensive Rookie of the Year. But it certainly should be a factor in Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Everybody thinks special teams are important. Some of us just don't think it should be a consideration for Offensive Rookie of the Year. But it certainly should be a factor in Special Teams Rookie of the Year.

Sure, it's debatable.But in my opinion a kick returner IS part of the offense, despite being on "special teams".

Especially with the ability to run one back for a TD, but even if he's just achieving good starting field position, I consider it "offense".

Plus, 60/790/6 is pretty good for a rookie receiver.

Add his rushing and kick returns and he broke the Viking's single-season record for all-purpose yards with 2,081.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

 

[Jake22]

To me it is amazing how good he was on kickoff returns without having ever done it in college.

After seeing his KR yardage, that is more impressive to me than his WR stats, actually.

 

[mozzy84]

this award shows you how "hype" goes a long way...Harvin is a special player for sure but if you look at the stats M.Wallace should be right there...and Wallace didn't sit out any games this year as Harvin did.

This is a great post. The only thing that Harvin had over Wallace was more hype. And more rushes for more rushing yardage. And more receptions for more receiving yardage. And more total TDs. And more kick returns for more kick return yardage. And more pro bowls. But mostly it was the hype.

Harvin 60-790-6TD'sWallace 39-756-6TD'sok, you give harvin some return yds and a couple more td's there, but he missed games and wallace makes up for less catches by averaging OVER 19 YARDS PER CATCH which is WAY above harvins avg., yeah i'm sure this just screams harvin for sure, please...If Harvin was so good Favre would have been using him more instead of Rice and Shianco all year. Wallace was a big part of Big Bens record breaking season and that speaks volumes.

You raise a very good point. Harvin didn't just put up more rushes for more yards, more catches for more yards, more total TDs, and earn a pro bowl berth... he did it in fewer games than Mike Wallace. Which is all the more reason to give the award to Mike Wallace, apparently. I do see where you're coming from about how Wallace was a big part of Ben's season, though. I mean, Ben had 4300 passing yards and a 26:12 TD:INT ratio. The guy Harvin played with only posted 4200 yards and a 33:7 TD:INT ratio, so clearly that's another point in Wallace's favor. Also, you do raise another excellent point that if Harvin was so good, Favre would have used him more and he would have caught more than 60 receptions. Just look at Mike Wallace, who was so good that he managed to catch a mind-blowing 39 balls! If only Harvin was a little bit better, he could have caught negative 21 more balls just like Wallace did.Alright now, let's just put our homer goggles aside for a second and admit that there is no world in which Mike Wallace deserved the ORoY award over Percy Harvin, even if you completely ignore his stats as a returner.Edit: and, in case you didn't notice, this is coming from a guy who owns Mike Wallace in dynasty and doesn't own Percy Harvin. Not that that should matter, because truth is truth no matter who speaks it.