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Speaking of this paying or not paying full balance for credit cards.....I tend to pay my credit card online 2 sometimes 3 times a month.  If I have something like an $830 balance I will pay it off (probably $800) while I am still using the card, since I use the card basically every day for something.  I don't think I ever pay the actual balance on the statement, I just pay whatever the balance is when I happen to look at it.  I never pay interest on it, and I never seem to be using more than 5-10% of my available credit which I had thought was a good thing, but I always have SOME balance on the card.

Wouldn't paying your balance once at the end of the month put you (many people not everyone) is a situation where they might be using a high percentage of their available credit would negatively affects their credit score?
Maybe, but I think that factor is over blown by many.  Same with a credit inquiry. The bulk of the score has got to be made up based on not missing a payment.  If you don't miss payments then the occasional higher balance reported or that extra inquiry on your credit shouldn't make or break a person.  I would think that goes for both the person rebuilding their credit and are in the low to mid 600s or the quality credit people with a score of 750 and up.

 
Maybe, but I think that factor is over blown by many.  Same with a credit inquiry. The bulk of the score has got to be made up based on not missing a payment.  If you don't miss payments then the occasional higher balance reported or that extra inquiry on your credit shouldn't make or break a person.  I would think that goes for both the person rebuilding their credit and are in the low to mid 600s or the quality credit people with a score of 750 and up.
I mostly do it that way just to make sure I don't forget to make a payment.  Haven't so far.

 
Speaking of this paying or not paying full balance for credit cards.....I tend to pay my credit card online 2 sometimes 3 times a month.  If I have something like an $830 balance I will pay it off (probably $800) while I am still using the card, since I use the card basically every day for something.  I don't think I ever pay the actual balance on the statement, I just pay whatever the balance is when I happen to look at it.  I never pay interest on it, and I never seem to be using more than 5-10% of my available credit which I had thought was a good thing, but I always have SOME balance on the card.

Wouldn't paying your balance once at the end of the month put you (many people not everyone) is a situation where they might be using a high percentage of their available credit would negatively affects their credit score?
This seems like a PIA.  Why not just pay it once a month when the balance is due?

 
Walking Boot said:
I think people are often misunderstanding what "a small balance on the cards" is. It just means that you have charged something to the card and at the end of the month they send you a bill. It does not mean that you "carry over" a balance from month to month and slowly pay it off. That isn't helpful, ever 
It depends on the bank reporting it. They will report the balance at the time they pull the info from the account. If you consistently pay it off in full and timing wise it always happens to be a $0 balance then the report would reflect a $0 balance and there is nothing on the credit report that would indicate that you even used the card.

 
Speaking of this paying or not paying full balance for credit cards.....I tend to pay my credit card online 2 sometimes 3 times a month.  If I have something like an $830 balance I will pay it off (probably $800) while I am still using the card, since I use the card basically every day for something.  I don't think I ever pay the actual balance on the statement, I just pay whatever the balance is when I happen to look at it.  I never pay interest on it, and I never seem to be using more than 5-10% of my available credit which I had thought was a good thing, but I always have SOME balance on the card.

Wouldn't paying your balance once at the end of the month put you (many people not everyone) is a situation where they might be using a high percentage of their available credit would negatively affects their credit score?
I also pay my credit card bill weekly,  usually I overpay it significantly (just a few GR) because i'm essentially using it like a debit card, but with massive rewards.

I've gotten plenty of monthly statements with negative balances.

 
Maybe, but I think that factor is over blown by many.  Same with a credit inquiry. The bulk of the score has got to be made up based on not missing a payment.  If you don't miss payments then the occasional higher balance reported or that extra inquiry on your credit shouldn't make or break a person.  I would think that goes for both the person rebuilding their credit and are in the low to mid 600s or the quality credit people with a score of 750 and up.
Correct.

A single credit inquiry will not move the needle at all. Once you get into several in a short period of time (over several months).... say 3 or 4 or more then you might lose a point. Maybe 2 or 3 points if you have 5 or 6. Also, you are not penalized for a number of inquiries from the same type of inquiry within a very short time (like the same month). They don't want to take away points for you being a consumer and 'shopping'. The big drop in points is when you have a new tradeline that posts on your credit and my guess is people confuse that with the inquiries. That can take 10 points or more off your score.

 
I'm a huge churner. I average a new card every month. Score has never dipped below 800.  

I'm still just scratching the surface here and so far havent done any manufactured spending.  

Having good credit is a gold mine that just keeps paying.

 
I'm a huge churner. I average a new card every month. Score has never dipped below 800.  

I'm still just scratching the surface here and so far havent done any manufactured spending.  

Having good credit is a gold mine that just keeps paying.
More details please...

 
More details please...
I mean go to doctorofcredit, follow the guides, profit.  

I did it sort of ad-hoc last year and ####ed some things up and I'm still recovering from those mistakes. Even ####### up bad I still have pulled down 13 nights in 5 star resorts in europe this summer and flights, and already am building to next year (and beyond).

Credit should be harvested.  

There is a churning thread here that is dead.  We can migrate there if needed.  

 
I mean go to doctorofcredit, follow the guides, profit.  

I did it sort of ad-hoc last year and ####ed some things up and I'm still recovering from those mistakes. Even ####### up bad I still have pulled down 13 nights in 5 star resorts in europe this summer and flights, and already am building to next year (and beyond).

Credit should be harvested.  

There is a churning thread here that is dead.  We can migrate there if needed.  
Here is one of those threads: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/742472-credit-cards/

My wife and I also average about a card a month. Starting January 2016, have received about 50 cards in those 2 years. 

 
Sounds like a lot of work 
It's a hobby, and takes time.  It pays back in free travel, and cash.  There are those that go to stores daily to buy gift cards to turn them into money orders.  That is work.  

With a spreadsheet, a creditkarma account, and the right plan it's about 30 minutes a month to deal with the apps, activate cards, and do all the online legwork.

 
So how big of a payoff we talkin about here with all this?  30 minutes a month is nothing obviously.  We are all on this website much more than that  :sadbanana:

 
So how big of a payoff we talkin about here with all this?  30 minutes a month is nothing obviously.  We are all on this website much more than that  :sadbanana:
If you have a wife, in your first year you can pull down a half million Chase UR points without really even trying.  Those are valued at a minimum of 1.5c per point.  That's if you stay super casual.

 
All true.  I have some, but one thing that likely won't change about EM is that the beta is huge.  It is good for a diversifier, but overweighting it can make for a choppy portfolio (for good or ill).
I’ve been all in on EM for the past two years. There is no other asset class I’d rather be in, especially if we’re talking retirement assets (>5-10 years).  EM is in a much better spot than it was a year or so ago.  Macro fundamentals have improved and will continue to do so.  :drive:

 
On just any random new card, I'd expect at least $100 refunded on my first $500 in purchases. Sometimes I see a $150 on $500, but I've claimed most of those so far. At least for cards that have no annual fee. On an annual fee card, I'd certainly want much much more.
This is shooting low. I'm looking for 600-900 minimum for 3k spent. 1200 for 5k. 

I mean you can cash out amex to schwab at 1.25cpp. That should be considered rock bottom. There is a 100 k/10k offer and at 1.25c its an easy $1250.  You can flip those to other partners for better travel redemptions.

 
I have difficulty manufacturing that much spending in the typical 90 days. Plus I have an aversion to annual fee cards. I'm also focusing almost exclusively on cash-back. I don't have much need for travel rewards at this point, unfortunately.
Amex is king for cash back.  There are lots of manufacturable spend options out there, but they take work and diminish total returns for sure.  

Focusing on bank accounts that let you fund with credit cards has been a game changer.  The ones that let you fund with credit cards AND give you a bonus are ####### crack to me right now.  In my mind if I break even on bank bonus - venmo or other manufacture spending to keep velocity up then I'm good.  I had to slow down a bit because I'm holding 30k in chase right now chasing two 90 day bonuses.  When that clears I'll go all-in again.

 
I'm a huge churner. I average a new card every month. Score has never dipped below 800.  

If you have a wife, in your first year you can pull down a half million Chase UR points without really even trying.  
I was gonna say, I hope you're done going through Chase cards...  I've done Chase the super casual way and have 400k right now.  i even kept the reserve card - with my travel it pays off.

 
In two years I have redeemed miles for over $18,000 worth of free travel (airfare, hotels, attractions). I have spent about $1000 in credit card fees to get that $18K. Family trip to Italy last summer, trip to Hawaii this summer, wife and I trip to NY and multiple free hotel stays throughout the year. It has been a game changer for me and my family.

Along with those redemptions, I still have over a million miles over various accounts. There are plenty of people who have way more miles and have had better redemptions (high end hotels, for example), but I don't have the time to jump through those advanced hoops. 

I like this kind of #### and it does take time, but it is a fun hobby.

 
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One more thing that was mentioned earlier - bank bonuses are the ####. Opened my first account 11 months ago and have made almost $5,000 in total. All of this in two player mode. Easy money. Have opened about 30 accounts in that time frame.

 
One more thing that was mentioned earlier - bank bonuses are the ####. Opened my first account 11 months ago and have made almost $5,000 in total. All of this in two player mode. Easy money. Have opened about 30 accounts in that time frame.
Wtf with your avatar?

 
One more thing that was mentioned earlier - bank bonuses are the ####. Opened my first account 11 months ago and have made almost $5,000 in total. All of this in two player mode. Easy money. Have opened about 30 accounts in that time frame.
Ya. Just now getting into this. You finding these at doc?  If you are an investor and keep cash I mean the yield on these bonuses is easily 5 or 6 %

Just a bit better than a 0.05% money market. 

 
Ya. Just now getting into this. You finding these at doc?  If you are an investor and keep cash I mean the yield on these bonuses is easily 5 or 6 %

Just a bit better than a 0.05% money market. 
Yes, doctorofcredit is my bible. I do not have the spare cash money to do the big deposit types.

 
One more thing that was mentioned earlier - bank bonuses are the ####. Opened my first account 11 months ago and have made almost $5,000 in total. All of this in two player mode. Easy money. Have opened about 30 accounts in that time frame.
What do you do for the direct deposit?  Do you move your paycheck or submit a different ACH?

 
You guys got any advice on a Fixed Universal Life Policy? My grandpa gave all his grandkids one back in the 90s.  

Right now all I can tell is that it has a face amount of 106,805, Cash value of 26806, and loans on it of 21463 (I took out a 15k loan 3 years ago against this at 7.5% paid from cash value)

It earns 4.5% fixed at a minimum each year

I could 

A) Just cash it out and have some tax liability

B) Pay back the loan and let it continue to just earn cash valueat 4.5%.  The face amount shows at age 71 to be $1,060,045 which is  nice, but really the ramp on the face value doesn't happen until I hit about 60 if I follow how this works

C) Pay back just enough of the loan to keep it from becoming inactive

 
You guys got any advice on a Fixed Universal Life Policy? My grandpa gave all his grandkids one back in the 90s.  

Right now all I can tell is that it has a face amount of 106,805, Cash value of 26806, and loans on it of 21463 (I took out a 15k loan 3 years ago against this at 7.5% paid from cash value)

It earns 4.5% fixed at a minimum each year

I could 

A) Just cash it out and have some tax liability

B) Pay back the loan and let it continue to just earn cash valueat 4.5%.  The face amount shows at age 71 to be $1,060,045 which is  nice, but really the ramp on the face value doesn't happen until I hit about 60 if I follow how this works

C) Pay back just enough of the loan to keep it from becoming inactive
What did you need $15K @ 7.5% for?

 
The best churning opportunity ever was when you could order cash from the mint with your credit card.  They were trying to get people to use dollar coins and some bureaucrat had the bright idea to allow people to pay for the coins with a credit card.  Some people ordered hundreds of thousands worth of coins and simply took them to the bank and pocketed the cc bonuses.  

 
I also pay my credit card bill weekly,  usually I overpay it significantly (just a few GR) because i'm essentially using it like a debit card, but with massive rewards.

I've gotten plenty of monthly statements with negative balances.
You might be the first person I've heard of who likes loaning the credit card companies money. 

I've had a negative balance but it was an accident. 

I just set my CCs to autopay, haven't paid interest in over 20 years. Don't even think about the due date. 

It's a hobby, and takes time.  It pays back in free travel, and cash.  There are those that go to stores daily to buy gift cards to turn them into money orders.  That is work.  

With a spreadsheet, a creditkarma account, and the right plan it's about 30 minutes a month to deal with the apps, activate cards, and do all the online legwork.
I'm going to have to check this out.

Just got my $200 bonus from Wells Fargo, maybe it's time to check the next one out. I'm getting 2.5% on every purchase with a card through my bank, which is great for simplicity. I'll consider the discover it card which doubles your points, but that's still only 2% on most categories (10% on the rotating ones). 

Wedon't travel a ton, though I'm hoping to travel more in the coming years so if you can hold the travel points for a long time maybe that would be worthwhile.

 
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Just got my $200 bonus from Wells Fargo, maybe it's time to check the next one out. I'm getting 2.5% on every purchase with a card through my bank, which is great for simplicity. I'll consider the discover it card which doubles your points, but that's still only 2% on most categories (10% on the rotating ones). 

Wedon't travel a ton, though I'm hoping to travel more in the coming years so if you can hold the travel points for a long time maybe that would be worthwhile.
If cash back is the play the solution is to mine cards that give you the option to cash out the points.  If under 5/24 you can still cash out Chase SW cards to Amazon, but not at a great value but it is an option.   Amex cards port to Schwab at 1.25cpp.  With a combination of Amex MR cards you can categorize spending to get earn rates that easily approach that, but the signup bonuses approach closer to 17-20% cash back on those terms.  Amex usually has lifetime language baked in to their cards, but not always.  

When you get down to it the very best value you can pull are long haul international flight redemptions.  If those are not in your plans then you need to be careful and approach other options like bank bonuses.  In general, other than amex you won't get huge payback on just straight points.  

 
You might be the first person I've heard of who likes loaning the credit card companies money. 

I've had a negative balance but it was an accident. 
It's a matter of loaning it to them for a few days at a time.. and i wasn't earning any interest on it anyways.

 

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