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Perspective: Provided By Neil deGrasse Tyson (1 Viewer)
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NutterButter
Footballguy
Holy eff. Is the latter part true?
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yeah there's no way that's true.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
It could certainly be a 'don't believe everything you read on the internet' moment, but if they vetted their numbers correctly
Estimates vary and Tyson's is on the high end but 2015 is expected to see approximately 33,000 total gun deaths, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is nearly 3,200 every five weeks (comparable to the nearly 3,400 Americans who have died in terrorist attacks since 2001).
Estimates vary and Tyson's is on the high end but 2015 is expected to see approximately 33,000 total gun deaths, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which is nearly 3,200 every five weeks (comparable to the nearly 3,400 Americans who have died in terrorist attacks since 2001).
NutterButter
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Sorry I guess the word 'household' threw me off. That's a pretty disingenuous way to phrase that. Gang bangers and drug lords don't have 'household' guns IMO.
NutterButter
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
So every five weeks, roughly the same number of people who died during 9/11 die due to firearms? That's ####### sad.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Actually, from what I understand a ridiculously large number of gangbanger deaths are via handguns, which are the epitome of 'household' guns
mr roboto
Footballguy
I get that. I must add a bit more 'wholesome' spin on the word 'household'. To me, 'non-government' or 'private' would sound far more neutral. Maybe it's because I grew up in a rural area where a 'household' truly had a family gun or two, like passed down from father to son or some Norman Rockwellian #### like that.
I'm guessing many of the organized crime weapons aren't just chilling in a gun safe at Momma's house.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
That's why I said roughly, I'm aware 9/11 skews the number. Regardless, the juxtaposition alone is shocking.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
Wow, what a genius this man is!!! Doesn't he know though that nobody cares about the 'drip...drip...drip' of street deaths in our inner city? It is only a television moment if you get at least 5 people in one sitting.
What should be shocking here is that people are actually shocked by these numbers, I qualify that with a 'should' simply because it is not surprising. Our culture is dumber than ever.
What should be shocking here is that people are actually shocked by these numbers, I qualify that with a 'should' simply because it is not surprising. Our culture is dumber than ever.
Meatwad Reloaded
Footballguy
Also it is worth noting that our country has 200,000,000 more people now than in the 1940s, so his ww2 comparisons are not really that impressive.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
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Limp Ditka
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joffer
Footballguy
youre not in his demographic
bakes
I am the Beer God!
Pretty sure Tyson isn't signing up for Eminence's fan club either. Ran out of crayons.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
joffer
Footballguy
i really didn't appreciate this the first time
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He's literally the polar opposite of your description. I follow him and his ilk closely and not once has he come across as disrespectful towards Christianity. I'm not particularly fond of him but I think you're confused. Just because he's a scientist doesn't mean he's waging a war on Christianity.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
He tweets stuff like this on a occasion.
"Some claim the USA is a Christian nation, compelling me to wonder which assault rifle Jesus would choose: the AR-15 or AK-47.'
Merry Christmas to all. A Pagan holiday (BC) becomes a Religious holiday (AD). Which then becomes a Shopping holiday (USA).
"In this day long ago, a child was born who, by age 30, would transform the world. Happy Birthday Isaac Newton b. Dec 25, 1642.
To me those are snooty comments which are completely unnecessary to ruffle Christan feathers. More appropriate from some internet twit than someone trying to promote science to children. That is how those come across.
No. Because he will occasional tweet stuff like I posted above and among a few other things. I applaud his activity to promote science, but he should leave some of those things to stupid people on Facebook.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
1. He's right
2. He's right
3. Not sure how this is anti anything. He's paying tribute to probably one of the greatest scientific minds ever.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Newsflash...(and this is me speaking not NDT)...denouncing religion is promoting science.No. Because he will occasional tweet stuff like I posted above and among a few other things. I applaud his activity to promote science, but he should leave some of those things to stupid people on Facebook.
Just because a comment is technically correct, does not mean it was not an ####### thing to say.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Just because it might have been a ####### thing to say, doesn't mean you have to disregard everything else he has to say.
bud29
Footballguy
I did not say to disregard anything he says. I said he was a twit for saying that type of stuff and it is counterproductive to his goals of promoting science.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You brought up all of this other bull#### when it was completely irrelevant to the thread. I'm going to call it being dismissive
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Exacly, scientists are supposed to give people the facts. Not lead the masses astray with bias.
And if he was truly objective about the number of gun violence, he might point out which group of people commit the most gun violence per capita. That omission is a disgrace with him being a "scientist laying out the data".
If he's trying to shock us, there are much more shocking numbers that don't strictly out fault on the guns.
If he's trying to shock us, there are much more shocking numbers that don't strictly out fault on the guns.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
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General Malaise
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Dickies
Footballguy
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls#
http://www.census.gov/popest/data/index.html
3005 gun homicides by whites
2491 gun homicides by blacks
77.4% of the population is white
13.2% of the population is black
Despite being outnumbered nearly 6:1 to whites, blacks commit 42% of all gun homicides in America. Whites commit 52%.
http://www.census.gov/popest/data/index.html
3005 gun homicides by whites
2491 gun homicides by blacks
77.4% of the population is white
13.2% of the population is black
Despite being outnumbered nearly 6:1 to whites, blacks commit 42% of all gun homicides in America. Whites commit 52%.
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Don't get me wrong, those numbers from this "scientist" are staggering. But I'm more concerned with the fact a small percentage of the population is committing such a high number of these killings. If blacks killed at the same rate as whites, these statistics would look much less harmless.
