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The Shizzle
Footballguy
He deserves to be in.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not sure how you keep MLB's leading hitter out of the HOF...pretty f'ing ridiculous.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
His tool factor has certainly had a place in his lack of acceptance in the HOF, IMO.
While I generally think he should be there, betting on baseball is a huge no-no. I don't care if the player was accused or murder or anything else, as long as it was away from the game. But you shouldn't bet on baseball. And it's interesting to note how HOFers have publicly stated that Rose should have no part of the HOF.
That said, I would likely vote him in if it were up to me.
While I generally think he should be there, betting on baseball is a huge no-no. I don't care if the player was accused or murder or anything else, as long as it was away from the game. But you shouldn't bet on baseball. And it's interesting to note how HOFers have publicly stated that Rose should have no part of the HOF.
That said, I would likely vote him in if it were up to me.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I still contend that if Rose was already in the HOF and then all the betting stuff came out he WOULD NOT be kicked out of the HOF. He deserves to be in based on his on-field accomplishments. I'm guessing there have been many more players that have bet on games but they did not get grilled anywhere near like Rose did.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I think he should be in, but I don't think he will get in.
Foosball God
Foos
I agree that he should go in... after he is dead.
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Koya
Footballguy
Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impugn the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.Not sure how you keep MLB's leading hitter out of the HOF...pretty f'ing ridiculous.
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Koya
Footballguy
When did this change of events occur?For one, if he had this "story" from the beginning, while I still would have supported a ban (did he bet the same amount on everygame? were all stakes the exact same in every game? did betting on every game mean that an early season game would mean it is worth pitching a guy a couple innings more than he should go even though it was not an especially "important" game?) at least it is not as egregious as betting sometimes.But seriously, if you believe ANYthing this misanthrope of a pathetic loser, liar and cheat says, you have to be insane.
SofaKings
Footballguy
LHUCKS
Footballguy
All evidence points to him only betting on his team...never against it...if there was proof of him betting against his team then I'd say fine, vote him in after he's dead with a huge asterisk by his bust, but since there is no evidence he voted against his team it's pretty f'ing ridiculous he's not in.
Yes he's a tool and probably not even a good person, but at this point it's a grudge that has lasted way too long.
Yes he's a tool and probably not even a good person, but at this point it's a grudge that has lasted way too long.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.Not sure how you keep MLB's leading hitter out of the HOF...pretty f'ing ridiculous.
SofaKings
Footballguy
Giamatti and Selig are just protecting the game.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Koya
Footballguy
I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I cannot separate my visceral dislike for the man from the rest of the facts.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
As I've said before. As long as he waits as long as Shoeless Joe Jackson, I'm fine with his inclusion
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I dont see what how what he did as a manager has anything to do with what he did as a player, and therefore, he should be in already.
SofaKings
Footballguy
Exactly. If Rose gave MLB something to work with it would be a different story, but sadly the story changes every few months.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I think it depends on how you bet...the devil is in the details.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.Not sure how you keep MLB's leading hitter out of the HOF...pretty f'ing ridiculous.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Bull####.I think it depends on how you bet...the devil is in the details.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Did he attend college, and if so in which conference?I think it depends on how you bet...the devil is in the details.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Betting on the game should equal = banishment from the game for life. Not exclusion from HOF. If he was a good enough player to get in, that should be the only thing that matters. This is not comparable to steroids.Still not sure why it is this super big deal that he bet on his team to WIN.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
And this is why he isn't in...he just really rubs people the wrong way.The same drive, arrogance and over-competitive nature that made him a great player is also what makes people hate him.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Exactly, there is no proof that he ever did otherwise...MLB has even gone back and looked at the games and can't find anything.It's a joke...all started by Giamatti's hatred of Rose.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Because the rule does not say do not gamble on your baseball team to lose, it says do not gamble on baseball.Man you people are dense.Betting on the game should equal = banishment from the game for life. Not exclusion from HOF. If he was a good enough player to get in, that should be the only thing that matters. This is not comparable to steroids.Still not sure why it is this super big deal that he bet on his team to WIN.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.Not sure how you keep MLB's leading hitter out of the HOF...pretty f'ing ridiculous.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Fixed
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If you kicked every tool out of the Hall of Fame it would be a lot less crowded.
Good answerBecause the rule does not say do not gamble on your baseball team to lose, it says do not gamble on baseball.Man you people are dense.Betting on the game should equal = banishment from the game for life. Not exclusion from HOF. If he was a good enough player to get in, that should be the only thing that matters. This is not comparable to steroids.Still not sure why it is this super big deal that he bet on his team to WIN.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Its not a good answer, its the only answerGood answerBecause the rule does not say do not gamble on your baseball team to lose, it says do not gamble on baseball.Man you people are dense.Betting on the game should equal = banishment from the game for life. Not exclusion from HOF. If he was a good enough player to get in, that should be the only thing that matters. This is not comparable to steroids.Still not sure why it is this super big deal that he bet on his team to WIN.I think the willingness for people to overlook how disasterous a precedent it sets by betting on games you have control over is incredulous. I really do. If anything, it is UNDERSTATED. Because you bring the very validity of "sport" into question.Why those who are sports lovers such as yourself can accept that on ANY level is truly beyond me.see my above post...I think the "impune the credibility" argument has been over-spun by Giamatti and Selig.Not as ridiculous as people who don't understand why someone who would impune the very credibility of the sport shouldn't be in the Hall in the first place.His RECORDS should be in the hall. Not the "man" - he GAVE AWAY that priviledge.
Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.
Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
F'n hypocrites.
Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
F'n hypocrites.
Koya
Footballguy
????Are you people really this incapable of understanding what effect betting on a team over which you have control, has? REGARDLESS if you bet on them to win?I will say this one last time. Follow closely because it shouldnt take a genius to understand this.If you bet on a game, and have money at stake, you are MORE LIKELY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN THAT SPECIFIC GAME. Regardless of whether winning that game at ALL costs is in the best interest of the team.Maybe you go to a reliever who needs a day rest because you cant lose your bet. Maybe you leave your starter in for 20 extra pitches, jeopardizing your teams ability to get to the playoffs because you bet on that game to WIN.Seriously, if people cant understand this simple reality, Im not sure what to say. I dont want to call people stupid, but you cant be very bright if you dont understand the effect gambling on your own team has, as a manager.You might think it is ok (I would think you crazy then, but not necessarily stupid). But, if you cant even understand this HUGE reprecussion, I dont know how your thought process is working. Because it doesnt seem to be in this instance, at all.
Koya
Footballguy
I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
) but those dont relect upon the very integrity of the sport in regard to whether the game is fixed. Once a game is fixed, there is no sport, it is not a contest, it is nothing. You lose the integrity of the league which is why gambling on the games, in the eyes of baseball is far greater a sin than actions that are, in the grand scheme of life, far far worse.
Chaka
Footballguy
Your arguments are sound and I agree with them, my problem also lies with the hypocrisy of MLB.The fact is that betting on baseball is legal in the United States, steroids are not. So I am just confused as to why baseball is choosing to take their stand with Charlie Hustle and not all these Mellon-Headed roid freaks who are violating baseballs rules as well as breaking the law.Of course it's because Mellon-Headed roid freaks hit the ball real far and that puts butts in the seat. Which makes me hate the hypocrisy of baseball even more.This is why I don't watch baseball.I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.F'n hypocrites.
Koya
Footballguy
A real, true, heartfelt and sincere apology would mean a lot. Im not sure how much, but it would be a HUGE step in the right direction.But once again, if you believe ANYthing this pathetic man says, I have a nice bridge to sell ya.
The Shizzle
Footballguy
:wowustolethewordsfrommymouthyourabsolutelyright:Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
To my knowledge, betting on baseball is legal in one place and one place only and that's LV.Edit to add: It is VERY unlikely that Pete Rose ever made a legal bet on baseball.Your arguments are sound and I agree with them, my problem also lies with the hypocrisy of MLB.The fact is that betting on baseball is legal in the United States, steroids are not. So I am just confused as to why baseball is choosing to take their stand with Charlie Hustle and not all these Mellon-Headed roid freaks who are violating baseballs rules as well as breaking the law.Of course it's because Mellon-Headed roid freaks hit the ball real far and that puts butts in the seat. Which makes me hate the hypocrisy of baseball even more.This is why I don't watch baseball.I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
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Chaka
Footballguy
And Las Vegas is in the United States, therefore betting on baseball is legal in the US. Roids are not only illegal but difficult to obtain so there is a good chance that not only are these players buying illegal drugs but they are trafficking them across state lines as well.As I said I understand the point about Pete violating the integrity of the game but the reality is that the game has zero integrity when they turn a blind eye to (all the while giving a wink-nod to the mighty home run) all the other B.S. in the game that is actually illegal and can hurt someone.To my knowledge, betting on baseball is legal in one place and one place only and that's LV.Edit to add: It is VERY unlikely that Pete Rose ever made a legal bet on baseball.Your arguments are sound and I agree with them, my problem also lies with the hypocrisy of MLB.The fact is that betting on baseball is legal in the United States, steroids are not. So I am just confused as to why baseball is choosing to take their stand with Charlie Hustle and not all these Mellon-Headed roid freaks who are violating baseballs rules as well as breaking the law.Of course it's because Mellon-Headed roid freaks hit the ball real far and that puts butts in the seat. Which makes me hate the hypocrisy of baseball even more.This is why I don't watch baseball.I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.F'n hypocrites.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Link to proof he changed his management style on games that he bet on...TIA.I think it is incredily short-sighted and dense to not see the merits of this argument.
The conspiracy theory that it puts butts in the seat is crazy. Baseball's trying to get a blood test mandate so they can test for hgh. NFL isn't doing that - 90% of lineman would be out probably. You watch NFL? Common sense tells me HGH is far more prevalent in the NFL as bigger, stronger, and quicker to heal is even more important. Why do people have the double-standard against baseball?Your arguments are sound and I agree with them, my problem also lies with the hypocrisy of MLB.The fact is that betting on baseball is legal in the United States, steroids are not. So I am just confused as to why baseball is choosing to take their stand with Charlie Hustle and not all these Mellon-Headed roid freaks who are violating baseballs rules as well as breaking the law.Of course it's because Mellon-Headed roid freaks hit the ball real far and that puts butts in the seat. Which makes me hate the hypocrisy of baseball even more.This is why I don't watch baseball.I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
) but those dont relect upon the very integrity of the sport in regard to whether the game is fixed. Once a game is fixed, there is no sport, it is not a contest, it is nothing. You lose the integrity of the league which is why gambling on the games, in the eyes of baseball is far greater a sin than actions that are, in the grand scheme of life, far far worse.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Link to proof that he needs to change his management style to make a difference.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
That's the thing -- any "apology" he utters is perceived as a selfish attempt in order to get himself in the HOF and/or be able to manage a team again. It's a joke -- there's no real contrition there.
Trey
Footballguy
I think the fact that he better on his team every single night is actually a good thing. You can be damn sure he was never throwing a game, always had his players going 110%.
When you have a guy on steroids who is about to break the all-time HR mark you really need to get some perspective on this issue.
When you have a guy on steroids who is about to break the all-time HR mark you really need to get some perspective on this issue.
Chaka
Footballguy
How is it a double standard? The NFL has been nailing players for violating the substance abuse and steriod policy for years now. The fact is that the NFL has had a comprehensive drug testing policy for a long time while baseball is now, finally, trying to close the barn door.There is also the fact that neither baseball nor football, nor any sport short of the Olympics has HGH testing because a blood test is required. You can expect all heck to break loose when the professional sports leagues try to get blood testing pushed past the players unions. Much of the debate will revolve around DNA testing. So don't applaud baseball until they actually do something about it.The conspiracy theory that it puts butts in the seat is crazy. Baseball's trying to get a blood test mandate so they can test for hgh. NFL isn't doing that - 90% of lineman would be out probably. You watch NFL? Common sense tells me HGH is far more prevalent in the NFL as bigger, stronger, and quicker to heal is even more important. Why do people have the double-standard against baseball?Your arguments are sound and I agree with them, my problem also lies with the hypocrisy of MLB.The fact is that betting on baseball is legal in the United States, steroids are not. So I am just confused as to why baseball is choosing to take their stand with Charlie Hustle and not all these Mellon-Headed roid freaks who are violating baseballs rules as well as breaking the law.I dont condone those other behaviors (ok, except an occasional coke fest... but I kid. Sorta. No really, I do.Pete not being in is just another example of what a big joke baseball has become.
Beat your wife....ok....throw your pregnant girl friend down a flight of stairs.....no problem......snort coke like a Hoover vacuum.....fine......get thrown in jail numerous times for DWI.....it's all good......file fraudulent tax returns....no big deal.....stalk ex girl friends....it's cool....take illegal performance enhancing drugs until your head becomes so big your neck snaps....whatever......lie to a grand jury......no problem…..but bet on baseball and they have the f’n nerve to talk about a “morals” clause and “actions detrimental to baseball”.
F'n hypocrites.
) but those dont relect upon the very integrity of the sport in regard to whether the game is fixed. Once a game is fixed, there is no sport, it is not a contest, it is nothing. You lose the integrity of the league which is why gambling on the games, in the eyes of baseball is far greater a sin than actions that are, in the grand scheme of life, far far worse.
Of course it's because Mellon-Headed roid freaks hit the ball real far and that puts butts in the seat. Which makes me hate the hypocrisy of baseball even more.
This is why I don't watch baseball.
The NFL has always been very progressive when it comes to preserving the golden goose. Now that the fans, and finally the other players, are getting fed up with all the off field arrests of those knuckleheaded players there is a lot of very serious talk about instituting a 3 strikes and you are out policy for off field incidents. And that talk is originating with the players union. Think about that. How much time did Steve Howe spend on suspension? Did he ever get even a full year ban? Dude was caught, what seven times and reinstated every single time. And he certainly isn't the only one coddled by the league, Doc and Straw come to mind, and I am to lazy to Live Search for more.
As soon as there is an HGH urine test you can bet football will adopt is just as quickly as baseball if not quicker.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I don't believe for one minute that he bet on every game. I think its well documented that, in fact, he didn't. Today was just another lame attempt by Pete to make himself look like the victim in all of this.
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