Peter Jackson to make The Hobbit (6 Viewers)

[Power Monster]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

Yup this is how the devil works.

 

[shining path]

Whoopee, I say. (no sarcasm... really)

Thank god. We're having some problems with sarcasm in this thread.

Who is we? You seem to be having that problem on yer own.....

Yeah, it was kind of tough to decipher.

Yes you sure went into a Tizzy there for a few posts. Glad to see that you are OK now....

It wasn't a tizzy, I just didn't understand how we could go six posts or whatever and you still didn't understand the gist of my original question. But it's all good.Edit - unless this is all just a fishing expedition, in which case, hats off to you.

 

[Power Monster]

LMAO @ "flim flam."

If you need a sig....

 

[Frostillicus]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

Yup this is how the devil works.

You're a weird dude.

 

[Power Monster]

Whoopee, I say. (no sarcasm... really)

Thank god. We're having some problems with sarcasm in this thread.

Who is we? You seem to be having that problem on yer own.....

Yeah, it was kind of tough to decipher.

Yes you sure went into a Tizzy there for a few posts. Glad to see that you are OK now....

It wasn't a tizzy, I just didn't understand how we could go six posts or whatever and you still didn't understand the gist of my original question. But it's all good.Edit - unless this is all just a fishing expedition, in which case, hats off to you.

Around here they say I go on more fishing trips than Captain Ahab.

 

[Power Monster]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

Yup this is how the devil works.

You're a weird dude.

It's good to be filled to know what is trash and what is true.

 

[Power Monster]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

That is awesome. But I suppose this makes sense when your entire belief system is tied to blindly believing what's written in a book........

Nice try. Get thee behind me......

 

[SofaKings]

When there's this much potential profit involved, people can't stay mad at each other for long.2 films though? I might prefer one 3.5 hour film to 2 whole films.

Profit? I thought Jackson didn't make any money on the trilogy? I thought the writers got it all?

 

[B-Deep]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

That is awesome. But I suppose this makes sense when your entire belief system is tied to blindly believing what's written in a book........

Nice try. Get thee behind me......

your shtick is awfulthe worst ever

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I thought Jackson didn't make any money on the trilogy?

this can't be true.

The suit does not specify a damage award. But in an interview last week, his lawyers said that, after New Line applied its contract interpretation from "Fellowship" to the other two movies, Mr. Jackson was underpaid by as much as $100 million for the trilogy.

The "Rings" film trilogy, produced for an aggregate $281 million, has made more than $4 billion in retail sales from worldwide film exhibition, home video, soundtracks, merchandise and television showings, and cleared more than $1 billion for New Line after payments to profit participants, according to one of Mr. Jackson's lawyers, Peter Nelson.

Thanks to escalators in the contract Mr. Jackson signed to serve as director, co-writer and co-producer of the trilogy, he reportedly receives about 20 percent of the gross revenue realized by New Line for the trilogy, minus expenses such as taxes.

Mr. Nelson declined to confirm the terms of the deal he negotiated for his client, but did state that Mr. Jackson had received almost $200 million to date from New Line for the trilogy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/business...ia/27movie.html

 

[snitwitch]

When there's this much potential profit involved, people can't stay mad at each other for long.2 films though? I might prefer one 3.5 hour film to 2 whole films.

Profit? I thought Jackson didn't make any money on the trilogy? I thought the writers got it all?

I think he made a good chunk of change, but there was a dispute involving DVD royalties. He didn't make out like he could have.Then again, he was relatively untested on something of LOTR's scope, so it's natural to expect he wouldn't have gotten the sweetest deal. I'm sure his deal for King Kong was way more favorable, and his deal for the Hobbit will be as well.The potential profit for The Hobbit, especially if they make it into 2 films, shouldn't be much less than LOTR.

 

[SofaKings]

I thought Jackson didn't make any money on the trilogy?

this can't be true.

The suit does not specify a damage award. But in an interview last week, his lawyers said that, after New Line applied its contract interpretation from "Fellowship" to the other two movies, Mr. Jackson was underpaid by as much as $100 million for the trilogy.

The "Rings" film trilogy, produced for an aggregate $281 million, has made more than $4 billion in retail sales from worldwide film exhibition, home video, soundtracks, merchandise and television showings, and cleared more than $1 billion for New Line after payments to profit participants, according to one of Mr. Jackson's lawyers, Peter Nelson.

Thanks to escalators in the contract Mr. Jackson signed to serve as director, co-writer and co-producer of the trilogy, he reportedly receives about 20 percent of the gross revenue realized by New Line for the trilogy, minus expenses such as taxes.

Mr. Nelson declined to confirm the terms of the deal he negotiated for his client, but did state that Mr. Jackson had received almost $200 million to date from New Line for the trilogy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/business...ia/27movie.html

That's good. I was worried he was living on vegamite sandwiches.

 

[snitwitch]

I thought Jackson didn't make any money on the trilogy?

this can't be true.

The suit does not specify a damage award. But in an interview last week, his lawyers said that, after New Line applied its contract interpretation from "Fellowship" to the other two movies, Mr. Jackson was underpaid by as much as $100 million for the trilogy.

The "Rings" film trilogy, produced for an aggregate $281 million, has made more than $4 billion in retail sales from worldwide film exhibition, home video, soundtracks, merchandise and television showings, and cleared more than $1 billion for New Line after payments to profit participants, according to one of Mr. Jackson's lawyers, Peter Nelson.

Thanks to escalators in the contract Mr. Jackson signed to serve as director, co-writer and co-producer of the trilogy, he reportedly receives about 20 percent of the gross revenue realized by New Line for the trilogy, minus expenses such as taxes.

Mr. Nelson declined to confirm the terms of the deal he negotiated for his client, but did state that Mr. Jackson had received almost $200 million to date from New Line for the trilogy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/business...ia/27movie.html

That's good. I was worried he was living on vegamite sandwiches.

This suit was settled also, which allowed for this announcement today. I bet they ponied up some more cash in the settlement.

 

[scoobygang]

I agree with Power Monster that we should only expose kids to "truth". So I'm going to take my niece and nephew to see Shoah this weekend.

 

[El Floppo]

I agree with Power Monster that we should only expose kids to "truth". So I'm going to take my niece and nephew to see Shoah this weekend.

:myth:

 

[RedRaiders]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

Would have made KOTR unbearable with the length. Cool story to read but overkill imo.

 

[snitwitch]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

Would have made KOTR unbearable with the length. Cool story to read but overkill imo.

They could have removed Liv Tyler's whole character and storyline from the movies, and wedged this in, it would have been preferable.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Really? You seriously believe this? That JRR Tolkien set out to write these books with the purpose of converting little kids to witchcraft and satanism?

Yup this is how the devil works.

This is freaking awesome.

 

[Buckna]

If they are doing two films.... I think they split it right when Bilbo meets Gollum.

I'm thinking that's way too early.That's only chapter 5Maybe "Barrels Out of Bond".....I'm not sure how this is going to work in two films..

Yeah, meeting Gollum would be way too early, and it would also make for a very boring 1st movie since nothing really happens action wise until they are escaping the Orc capture in the Misty Mountains. My guess would be that the final part of the 1st movie would be Bilbo rescuing the dwarves from the spiders and then abruptly end with the audience thinking they were safe only to have them getting captured by the Wood elves.However, the battle with Smaug would probably need to take place fairly early in 2nd film to give full time to the battle of 5 armies. So another good ending spot might be the barrel rescue like you said. They could end with all the dwarves floating on the river seeing the lonely mountain off in the distance. That would give them time to introduce Bard and Esgaroth and have the battle with Smaug around the halfway point of the 2nd movie.So how are they going to handle Gandalf completely disappearing from nearly all of both movies? Any references to the other battles at Dol Guldur or the Lonely Mountain or other fronts were left out of the LOTR movies.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Update?

Still boring.

Sarcasm?

Nope.

Nope, as in, of course?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Update?

Still boring.

Sarcasm?

Nope.

Nope, as in, of course?

No as in I'm totally serious when I say that I think the LOTR movies are terribly boring in long stretches.

 

[Aabye]

Cool- more witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery. Bring the kids...

Is this post sarcastic? I kind of hope so.

expedition IMO.

Really? So the LOTR and the Hobbit are not about witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery? Wizards, Trolls, magic rings, flesh eating hobbits? Dwarves and Elves?

Tolkein was a devout roman catholic, and the books are as much about the power of good triumphing over evil as they are about "flesh eating hobbits"

Well if you want to look at it from this perspective:1.) Roman Catholics practice pagan traditions2.) The gospels talk in depth about good vs. evil- anything wrong with the Truth over fantasy?

QUESTION!Powermoster, do you celebrate Christmas? Thanks.

I do not recognize Christmas as being the birth of Christ and I do see the flim flam of all it's traditions as being typical pagan nonsense....

So, you don't see relatives, eat a big meal, or go to Church on Christmas? You don't exchange gifts, or have a Christmas tree, or kiss your wife under mistletoe?You do nothing you do not normally do on December 25th?

Oohh I, like yourself, spend the next two weeks enjoying time with family, we eat meals we give each other a gift but I have no use for trees, or yules or Santa or elves or egg nog or to think that this is a day of celebrating the birth of Christ.

Egg nog?

 

[shining path]

Update?

Still boring.

Sarcasm?

Nope.

Nope, as in, of course?

No as in I'm totally serious when I say that I think the LOTR movies are terribly boring in long stretches.

So you were being sarcastic in the first post?

 

[scoobygang]

I agree with Andy in that I don't particularly like 2 out of the 3 LOTR movies. I like The Two Towers and that might be the one that is based the least on the books.

Of course, the books don't send me into rapturous nerdgasms either. I think they're interesting in the way that he builds consistent linguistic worlds, but I'm not in love with the story or anything.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I'm surprised at some of the dislike for LOTR. I absolutely hated the entire fantasy genre - couldn't stand anything with wizards or elves or dragons or any of that crap. No interest in seeing it at the theaters. When I finally saw Fellowship (against my will) i was

Still don't really care for the genre, but LOVE lotr.

 

[TheFanatic]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

I am rereading the books right now just to get to that part....

 

[dickey moe]

I'm surprised at some of the dislike for LOTR. I absolutely hated the entire fantasy genre - couldn't stand anything with wizards or elves or dragons or any of that crap. No interest in seeing it at the theaters. When I finally saw Fellowship (against my will) i was Still don't really care for the genre, but LOVE lotr.

Why do you hate the little people?

 

[TheFanatic]

I agree with Andy in that I don't particularly like 2 out of the 3 LOTR movies. I like The Two Towers and that might be the one that is based the least on the books.Of course, the books don't send me into rapturous nerdgasms either. I think they're interesting in the way that he builds consistent linguistic worlds, but I'm not in love with the story or anything.

I will agree that in the second flick I hate the parts of Frodo, Sam and Gollum wandering around Mordor. I usually block off a week to watch all three in a row. Watch some of the first night, pause. Watch the rest the next night and start 2. Anytime it's the 3 of them wandering around Mordor I fast forward. At first I was incredibly amazed that Gollum was animated and watched those parts intently. Now they bore me to tears. When they get close to the Spider I stop fast forwarding....

 

[mozzy84]

Andy, are you serious about the "LOTR = Snoozefest" comment? Oh come on.

It's 2 gay midgets walking around for 9 hours and every hour or so 2 armies run into each other.The guy has a point.

This description is spot on and funny too. There are some perfect sleeping moments in all 3 of these films, you could sleep for a half hour/45 mins and not miss a beat at some points.

 

[Trey]

I know I am an enormous nerd but

We get to see The Hobbit done the way it should be done... with Jackson behind it and not just some garbage attempt that New Line pieced together after seeing The Golden Compass go down in flames.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV...Peter/800029525

 

[falconeyed]

I hear that New Line sealed the deal by buying Peter Jackson a brand new Honda.

 

[moonhead]

I hear that New Line sealed the deal by buying Peter Jackson a brand new Honda.

oooooh. nice play!

 

[El Floppo]

Can I be sarcastic in here?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

bump for Trey

 

[Ranethe]

I'm surprised at some of the dislike for LOTR. I absolutely hated the entire fantasy genre - couldn't stand anything with wizards or elves or dragons or any of that crap. No interest in seeing it at the theaters. When I finally saw Fellowship (against my will) i was :( Still don't really care for the genre, but LOVE lotr.

Love the genre, loved the movies. I enjoyed every minute of each movie. Got the extended versions waiting to be viewed. Trying to decide if my kid is old enough yet to watch them with me, may wait a few more years. The anticipation.....ooooooh

 

[RC94]

I can't wait to see this movie.

 

[NCCommish]

Cool- more witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery. Bring the kids...

Is this post sarcastic? I kind of hope so.

expedition IMO.

Really? So the LOTR and the Hobbit are not about witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery? Wizards, Trolls, magic rings, flesh eating hobbits? Dwarves and Elves?

Tolkein was a devout roman catholic, and the books are as much about the power of good triumphing over evil as they are about "flesh eating hobbits"

Well if you want to look at it from this perspective:1.) Roman Catholics practice pagan traditions2.) The gospels talk in depth about good vs. evil- anything wrong with the Truth over fantasy?

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it. Oh and it's a fantasy novel as well to. Full of the supernatural to boot.

 

[(HULK)]

Cool- more witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery. Bring the kids...

You're a weird dude.

I'm weird? For what reason? Because I have ID'd this as being about fantasy and witchcraft?

it's a medium to tell a tale about good over evil. It started as a simple tale about little people called hobbits and grew into an enormous epic to tell an even greater tale. Don't read too much into it. I mean, have you read the book? Have you seen what the author himself has said about it? He basically wrote it so as to have a place to develop his own "new" languages. Have you read any critiques/analysis of the book? Don't take it so seriously.I understand your notion that all witchcraft is bad, I agree, in real life it is. There is no such thing as a good witch, and never will be, but give most kids credit to be able to separate fact from fiction. I did, and I was in 4th grade.

Fixed

 

[(HULK)]

Cool- more witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery. Bring the kids...

You're a weird dude.

I'm weird? For what reason? Because I have ID'd this as being about fantasy and witchcraft?

it's a medium to tell a tale about good over evil. It started as a simple tale about little people called hobbits and grew into an enormous epic to tell an even greater tale. Don't read too much into it. I mean, have you read the book? Have you seen what the author himself has said about it? He basically wrote it so as to have a place to develop his own "new" languages. Have you read any critiques/analysis of the book? Don't take it so seriously.I understand your notion that all witchcraft is bad, I agree, in real life it is. There is no such thing as a good witch, and never will be, but give most kids credit to be able to separate fact from fiction. I did, and I was in 4th grade.

Thanks for the response. Well thought out. I know the tale of the LOTR. I read it but once I was saved it became painfully obvious to me that it is just pure witchcraft intended to induce little children. This is why so many of these movies are out these days. It is just up for grabs but that is me.

Induce them to what, praytell?

 

[msommer]

If they are doing two films.... I think they split it right when Bilbo meets Gollum.

I'm thinking that's way too early.That's only chapter 5Maybe "Barrels Out of Bond".....I'm not sure how this is going to work in two films..

Yeah, meeting Gollum would be way too early, and it would also make for a very boring 1st movie since nothing really happens action wise until they are escaping the Orc capture in the Misty Mountains. My guess would be that the final part of the 1st movie would be Bilbo rescuing the dwarves from the spiders and then abruptly end with the audience thinking they were safe only to have them getting captured by the Wood elves.However, the battle with Smaug would probably need to take place fairly early in 2nd film to give full time to the battle of 5 armies. So another good ending spot might be the barrel rescue like you said. They could end with all the dwarves floating on the river seeing the lonely mountain off in the distance. That would give them time to introduce Bard and Esgaroth and have the battle with Smaug around the halfway point of the 2nd movie.So how are they going to handle Gandalf completely disappearing from nearly all of both movies? Any references to the other battles at Dol Guldur or the Lonely Mountain or other fronts were left out of the LOTR movies.

They'd likely want to end on a cliffhanger so maybe cut it just outside the wood elves compound (assuming that bit is kept of course)...

 

[Psychopav]

Cool- more witchcraft, fantasy and sorcery. Bring the kids...

Is this post sarcastic? I kind of hope so.

 

[Power Monster]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Oh and it's a fantasy novel as well to. Full of the supernatural to boot.

Fantasy? OK. I will agree that it is Supernatural. God defines Supernatural to the point that mere men like us can only TRY to comprehend it's greatness OR we can deny it and embrace a magical wizard...

 

[El Floppo]

Ok, Hobbit s... the character Tom Bombadil (sp?)- in the Hobbit or LOTR?

 

[TheFanatic]

Ok, Hobbit s... the character Tom Bombadil (sp?)- in the Hobbit or LOTR?

Bombadil is in LOTR.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm surprised at some of the dislike for LOTR. I absolutely hated the entire fantasy genre - couldn't stand anything with wizards or elves or dragons or any of that crap. No interest in seeing it at the theaters. When I finally saw Fellowship (against my will) i was Still don't really care for the genre, but LOVE lotr.

thats cause most of the genre is cheaply and poorly done. If everyone had the time and budget of these three films, the genre would be great.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Yes. Read Joshua and Numbers and get back to us.

 

[Power Monster]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Yes. Read Joshua and Numbers and get back to us.

I already know the Word.....

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

The bird is a word.

 

[encaitar]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Yes. Read Joshua and Numbers and get back to us.

I already know the Word.....

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Yes. Read Joshua and Numbers and get back to us.

I already know the Word.....

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?