Peter Jackson to make The Hobbit (2 Viewers)

[encaitar]

If you did the Old Testament with all it's gratuitous sex, rape, murder, genocide and generally ugly God sanctioned behavior the kids couldn't go see it.

God sanctioned? More like a running summary of the work of the devil- you know- murder, rape, witchcraft, bad women seducing dumb men, greed, lust, lust for money, arrogant power hungry fools that we call kings or presidents or world leaders- Ohhh gee just like what we have to this very day. Some things never change.

Yes. Read Joshua and Numbers and get back to us.

I already know the Word.....

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

I'm sure he just doesn't read those parts.

 

[jhib]

Ok, Hobbit s... the character Tom Bombadil (sp?)- in the Hobbit or LOTR?

Bombadil is in LOTR.

But The Hobbit has Beorn, who I always thought was a kick-### character.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

If they are doing two films.... I think they split it right when Bilbo meets Gollum.

I'm thinking that's way too early.That's only chapter 5Maybe "Barrels Out of Bond".....I'm not sure how this is going to work in two films..

Yeah, meeting Gollum would be way too early, and it would also make for a very boring 1st movie since nothing really happens action wise until they are escaping the Orc capture in the Misty Mountains. My guess would be that the final part of the 1st movie would be Bilbo rescuing the dwarves from the spiders and then abruptly end with the audience thinking they were safe only to have them getting captured by the Wood elves.However, the battle with Smaug would probably need to take place fairly early in 2nd film to give full time to the battle of 5 armies. So another good ending spot might be the barrel rescue like you said. They could end with all the dwarves floating on the river seeing the lonely mountain off in the distance. That would give them time to introduce Bard and Esgaroth and have the battle with Smaug around the halfway point of the 2nd movie.So how are they going to handle Gandalf completely disappearing from nearly all of both movies? Any references to the other battles at Dol Guldur or the Lonely Mountain or other fronts were left out of the LOTR movies.

They'd likely want to end on a cliffhanger so maybe cut it just outside the wood elves compound (assuming that bit is kept of course)...

Rumor awhile back on one of the Tolkien sites (confirmed by Jackson? Can't recall) was that he'd incorporate some of the appendices into the story, especially the Aragorn/Arwen arc & bring the thing forward to the start of the FOTR. There's also some backstory that can be used such as Smaug's original sack of the Mountain, so maybe stopping film #1 when Bilbo meets Gollum wouldn't unbalance things too awful much.

 

[Power Monster]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

I'm sure he just doesn't read those parts.

Ohhh you are- you are so certain? You willing to bank on it?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

 

[oddball]

The bird is a word.

Such simplicity. Almost sublime. 9.5Well done.

 

[Power Monster]

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

Yes such Christian humbleness and I am proud to be a man seeking His face.

 

[Power Monster]

The bird is a word.

Such simplicity. Almost sublime. 9.5Well done.

Yes very clever. Very sublime. Very intelligent

 

[Power Monster]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

 

[Usual21]

The first of the 2 movies will be just the Hobbit. The second movie will be a sequel to the Hobbit that will tie into LOTR based on various collected notes and short works that Tolkien did. So the first movie will be the entire Hobbit.

 

[rick6668]

The first of the 2 movies will be just the Hobbit. The second movie will be a sequel to the Hobbit that will tie into LOTR based on various collected notes and short works that Tolkien did. So the first movie will be the entire Hobbit.

Link?Not doubting you, just like to read more about this.

 

[Usual21]

For some reason it's blocked at work, but I read it on AICN last night.

 

[strykerpks]

For some reason it's blocked at work, but I read it on AICN last night.

LINK

Here Come THE HOBBIT(s)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Merrick here...

Word is flying fast & furious: Team Jackson, New Line, and MGM have made nice and are gearing up to launch 2 HOBBIT movies.

One will be an adaptaion of J.R.R. Tolkien's THE HOBBIT. The second project is believed to be a bridge between THE HOBBIT and THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy - culled from the titanic amount of periphery/ancillary/notated material found in Tolkien's works. Such material can already be seen in the exiting films.

Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will Executive Produce; no word on whether Jackson will direct just yet.

Last year, an AICN interview with LORD OF THE RINGS composer Howard Shore indicated he'd already begun toying with HOBBIT themes & whatnot...immediately therafter the #### hit the fan. Maybe he'll get a chance to share his music with us after all?

This press release will tell you more:

ACADEMY AWARD-WINNER PETER JACKSON AND NEW LINE CINEMA JOIN WITH MGM TO PRODUCE “THE HOBBIT,” EAGERLY-ANTICIPATED FANTASY ADVENTURE EPIC

NEW LINE AND MGM TO CO-PRODUCE AND SHARE WORLDWIDE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS

PETER JACKSON AND FRAN WALSH TO EXECUTIVE PRODUCE TWO FILMS BASED ON “THE HOBBIT”

Los Angeles, CA (Tuesday, December 18, 2007) Academy Award-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson; Harry Sloan, Chairman and CEO, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. (MGM); Bob Shaye and Michael Lynne, Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs of New Line Cinema have jointly announced today that they have entered into the following series of agreements:

* MGM and New Line will co-finance and co-distribute two films, “The Hobbit” and a sequel to “The Hobbit.” New Line will distribute in North America and MGM will distribute internationally.

* Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh will serve as Executive Producers of two films based on “The Hobbit.” New Line will manage the production of the films, which will be shot simultaneously.

* Peter Jackson and New Line have settled all litigation relating to the “Lord of the Rings” (LOTR) Trilogy.

Said Peter Jackson, “I’m very pleased that we’ve been able to put our differences behind us, so that we may begin a new chapter with our old friends at New Line. ‘The Lord of the Rings’ is a legacy we proudly share with Bob and Michael, and together, we share that legacy with millions of loyal fans all over the world. We are delighted to continue our journey through Middle Earth. I also want to thank Harry Sloan and our new friends at MGM for helping us find the common ground necessary to continue that journey.”

“Peter Jackson has proven himself as the filmmaker who can bring the extraordinary imagination of Tolkien to life and we full heartedly agree with the fans worldwide who know he should be making ‘The Hobbit,’” said Sloan, MGM’s Chairman and CEO. “Now that we are all in agreement on ‘The Hobbit,’ we can focus on assembling the production team that will capture this phenomenal tale on film.”

Bob Shaye, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO comments, “We are very pleased we have been able to resolve our differences, and that Peter and Fran will be actively and creatively involved with ‘The Hobbit’ movies. We know they will bring the same passion, care and talent to these films that they so ably accomplished with ‘The Lord of the Rings’ Trilogy.”

“Peter is a visionary filmmaker, and he broke new ground with ‘The Lord of the Rings,’” notes Michael Lynne, New Line Co-Chairman and Co-CEO. “We’re delighted he’s back for ‘The Hobbit’ films and that the Tolkien saga will continue with his imprint. We greatly appreciate the efforts of Harry Sloan, who has been instrumental in helping us reach our new accord.”

The two “Hobbit” films – “The Hobbit” and its sequel – are scheduled to be shot simultaneously, with pre-production beginning as soon as possible. Principal photography is tentatively set for a 2009 start, with the intention of “The Hobbit” release slated for 2010 and its sequel the following year, in 2011.

The Oscar-winning, critically-acclaimed LOTR Trilogy grossed nearly $3 billion worldwide at the box-office. In 2003, “Return of the King” swept the Academy Awards, winning all of the eleven categories in which it was nominated, including Best Picture – the first ever Best Picture win for a fantasy film. The Trilogy’s production was also unprecedented at the time.

For more information about “The Hobbit” films, please visit http://community.thehobbitsite.com.

About New Line Cinema Corporation:

Celebrating its 40th anniversary year, New Line Cinema is the most successful independent film company in the world. Its mission is to produce innovative, popular and profitable entertainment in the best creative environment. In addition to the production, marketing and distribution of theatrical motion pictures, the fully-integrated studio has divisions devoted to home entertainment, television, music, theater, merchandising and an international unit. In 2005, New Line partnered with HBO to form Picturehouse, a new theatrical distribution company to release independent films. A pioneer in franchise filmmaking, New Line’s Oscar-winning The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the most successful film franchises in history. New Line is a division of Time Warner, Inc. (TWX).

About Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc.:

Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Inc., through its operating subsidiaries, is actively engaged in the worldwide production and distribution of motion pictures, television programming, home video, interactive media, music and licensed merchandise. The company owns the world’s largest library of modern films, comprising around 4,100 titles. Operating units include Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc., Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc., United Artists Films Inc., Ventanazul, MGM Television Entertainment Inc., MGM Networks Inc., MGM Domestic Networks LLC, MGM Distribution Co, MGM International Television Distribution In, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Home Entertainment LLC, MGM ON STAGE, MGM Music, MGM Worldwide Digital Media, MGM Consumer Products and MGM Interactive. In addition, MGM has ownership interests in international TV channels reaching nearly 120 countries. MGM ownership is as follows: Providence Equity Partners (29%), TPG (21%), Sony Corporation of America (20%), Comcast (20%), DLJ Merchant Banking Partners (7%) and Quadrangle Group (3%). For more information, visit www.mgm.com.

About Peter Jackson/Wingnut Films:

Peter Jackson is one of the world’s most successful filmmakers. His monumental achievement co-writing, co-producing and directing The Lord of the Rings trilogy (with fellow Academy Award winners and frequent collaborators Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) earned a total of 30 Academy Award nominations and 17 Academy Awards. Jackson and Walsh received their first Oscar nomination for Best Original Screenplay for their acclaimed film Heavenly Creatures. Jackson, through his New Zealand-based Wingnut Films banner, also was responsible for the globally successful 2005 remake of King Kong which earned over $500 million worldwide and 3 Academy Awards. Currently, Jackson is directing an adaptation of The Lovely Bones, from the acclaimed best-selling novel by Alice Sebold. He is also developing a trilogy of films with Steven Spielberg based on Tintin, the world renowned comic book series by Herge.

 

[oddball]

The bird is a word.

Such simplicity. Almost sublime. 9.5Well done.

Yes very clever. Very sublime. Very intelligent

Don't you have a brow to beat?

 

[Darth Cheney]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

The original ending for the book series could been seen as an allegorical (which Tolkein himself said he didn't use so this is more interpretation than fact) Battle of Britain where the Shire(I.E. ENGLAND) itself was not safe for the ravages of war and the entire populatin was forced to deal with the aftermath of war. This would make the allegorical interpretation of the end of the film more in line with the current wars where the burden of sealing with the aftermath of war is left to the returning soldier alone. The part in the bar at the end says that.... these soldiers (I.E. THE HOBBITS) have wounds and bad memories that their fellow Hobbits just cannot understand.

 

[proninja]

Power Monster, you should stick to relationship threads

 

[Print Is Dead]

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

Yes such Christian humbleness and I am proud to be a man seeking His face.

Is it against God's wishes to use the quote function?

 

[shining path]

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

Yes such Christian humbleness and I am proud to be a man seeking His face.

Is it against God's wishes to use the quote function?

Yeah, this is bloody confusing.

 

[snitwitch]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

The original ending for the book series could been seen as an allegorical (which Tolkein himself said he didn't use so this is more interpretation than fact) Battle of Britain where the Shire(I.E. ENGLAND) itself was not safe for the ravages of war and the entire populatin was forced to deal with the aftermath of war. This would make the allegorical interpretation of the end of the film more in line with the current wars where the burden of sealing with the aftermath of war is left to the returning soldier alone. The part in the bar at the end says that.... these soldiers (I.E. THE HOBBITS) have wounds and bad memories that their fellow Hobbits just cannot understand.

It also seems to me to be a rumination on industrialization. We have the shire, a pastoral, rural, lovely place, that is polluted by Sharkey turning it into factories and so forth.

 

[encaitar]

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

Yes such Christian humbleness and I am proud to be a man seeking His face.

Are you seeking his face like David did? If so then screw you, I'm not going to the front line so you can have sex with my wife.

 

[encaitar]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

The original ending for the book series could been seen as an allegorical (which Tolkein himself said he didn't use so this is more interpretation than fact) Battle of Britain where the Shire(I.E. ENGLAND) itself was not safe for the ravages of war and the entire populatin was forced to deal with the aftermath of war. This would make the allegorical interpretation of the end of the film more in line with the current wars where the burden of sealing with the aftermath of war is left to the returning soldier alone. The part in the bar at the end says that.... these soldiers (I.E. THE HOBBITS) have wounds and bad memories that their fellow Hobbits just cannot understand.

It also seems to me to be a rumination on industrialization. We have the shire, a pastoral, rural, lovely place, that is polluted by Sharkey turning it into factories and so forth.

Yes, Tolkein loved the quiet country life.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Yes, the battle of the Pelennor Fields is what occured in the End of LOTR, which sucked(mostly because it didn't follow the books, but the ghosts were a cop out). The Battle of the 5 armies occurs at the end of the Hobbit which, since there are two films, we won't see until 2011. It has a lot of potential though. There is a lot more fighting throughout the Hobbit than the LOTR trilogy which may make it not as "boring" at times.

The ghost army ruined it for me.

Yeah, that really pissed me off when I watched the movie. In the book, the ghost army only helped clear the southern lands so that more human help could come to Pelennor. Would've been more appropriate to keep it this way in the book. This, and the omission of the "Scouring of the Shire" really ruined the third movie for me.

This was the worst omission from the movies IMO. It tied the whole story together.

"Scouring" is probably my favorite part in LOTR.

What happens there?

Being the Star Wars guru you are, I'm surprised you never read this....Let me find a quick summary.

wiki

In Book VI, Sam rescued Frodo from captivity. The pair then made their way through the rugged lands of Mordor and, after much struggle, finally reached Mount Doom itself (tailed closely by Gollum). However, the temptation of the Ring proved too great for Frodo, and he claimed it for himself in the end. While the Ringwraiths flew at top speed toward Mount Doom, Gollum struggled with Frodo for his "Precious" and managed to bite the Ring off Frodo's finger. Crazed with triumph, Gollum slipped into the Cracks of Doom, and the Ring was destroyed. With the end of the Ring, Sauron's armies lost heart, the Ringwraiths disintegrated, and Aragorn's army was victorious.

Thus, Sauron was banished from the world and his realm ended. Aragorn was crowned king of Gondor and married Arwen, the daughter of Elrond. All conflict was not over, however, for Saruman had managed to escape his captivity and enslave the Shire. Although he was soon overthrown by the Hobbits, and the four heroes helped to restore order and beautify the land again, it was not the same Shire that they had left. At the end, Frodo remained wounded in body and spirit and, accompanied by Bilbo, sailed west over the Sea to the Undying Lands, where he could find peace.

Saruman doesn't die at Orthanc.

More info:

After a series of goodbyes, the Hobbits return home, only to find the Shire under the control of "Sharkey", who turns out to be Saruman, diminished in power but not in malevolence. Merry and Pippin, now experienced warriors of Rohan and Gondor respectively, take the lead in setting things right again. They lead an uprising of Hobbits against Saruman, freeing the Shire (see Battle of Bywater).

Over time, the Shire heals. The many trees that Saruman's Orcs cut down are replanted; buildings are rebuilt and peace is restored. Sam marries Rosie Cotton, with whom he had been entranced for some time, and Merry and Pippin lead Buckland and Tookburrow to greater achievements.

The original ending for the book series could been seen as an allegorical (which Tolkein himself said he didn't use so this is more interpretation than fact) Battle of Britain where the Shire(I.E. ENGLAND) itself was not safe for the ravages of war and the entire populatin was forced to deal with the aftermath of war. This would make the allegorical interpretation of the end of the film more in line with the current wars where the burden of sealing with the aftermath of war is left to the returning soldier alone. The part in the bar at the end says that.... these soldiers (I.E. THE HOBBITS) have wounds and bad memories that their fellow Hobbits just cannot understand.

It also seems to me to be a rumination on industrialization. We have the shire, a pastoral, rural, lovely place, that is polluted by Sharkey turning it into factories and so forth.

Please don't hijack the Christianity thread du jour.If you want to discuss The Hobbit please start a new thread.

 

[Power Monster]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

 

[Power Monster]

Wow, such pure Christian humbleness. If God didn't sanction it then how do you explain David? (Man after God's own heart?)

Yes such Christian humbleness and I am proud to be a man seeking His face.

Are you seeking his face like David did? If so then screw you, I'm not going to the front line so you can have sex with my wife.

Yes we all have those desires. David paid and he had true repentance for what he did.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

I knew it would happen eventually.

 

[encaitar]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

I knew it would happen eventually.

That would make you an antagonist.

 

[Power Monster]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

I knew it would happen eventually.

Yes and you waited 2 hours for it. Like when you pay attention.....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

I knew it would happen eventually.

That would make you an antagonist.

Who me?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I knew it would happen eventually.

Yes and you waited 2 hours for it. Like when you pay attention.....

Uh. What?

 

[encaitar]

I knew it would happen eventually.

Yes and you waited 2 hours for it. Like when you pay attention.....

Uh. What?

I second the Uh. What?

 

[Darth Cheney]

Then how do you explain the God sanctioned rape, murder, and genocide?

Joshua is a great book of obedience and faith of the Hebrews. Maybe you missed the part about the chosen people taking back their land...

You didn't answer the question.

This certainly answers the question and if you want to know even more detail then go read the Book for your answers.

I have read it. Many times. Hence my disbelief.It does not answer the question about how you don't like rape, murder, and pillaging outside of the Bible but seem to have no problem within it.

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling.

 

[Linus Scrimmage]

MY favorite book OF ALL TIME.

A friend gave it to me when I was about 22. I wasn't much of a reader at the time, but I read it before bed every evening and I absolutely fell into it.

Great book and will be a great movie. Be nice for people that don't read to see how Bilbo/Gollum play such a large part of the story.

 

[Power Monster]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

 

[Darth Cheney]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Sure it was. God gave J.K. Rowling the inspiration to make the books. Where else would it come from?

 

[encaitar]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Sure it was. God gave J.K. Rowling the inspiration to make the books. Where else would it come from?

:churchladyvoice:"Mmmmm SATAN!"

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Who am I to question what the Lord has asked His people to do. It is very simple- obey me and be blessed. Disobey me and you will suffer. So what you are saying here is that in this day and age I would advocate rape, pillage, murder and genocide because the OT recorded these "God sanctioned" actions on people that strayed from Him thousands of years ago? I cannot change what happened thousands of years ago but it is a ridiculous notion to think that I would advocate such practices now. That is why the plan of the Tabernacle is gone and the gift of life is essential thru Jesus Christ. Besides- you want me to answer this by questioning the Lord? Your disbelief and your study of the Word proves that you just back slid out. If that works for you than so be it. Let me prove to you over and over that if you obey you are blessed. If you do not you suffer consequences. People wandered in the sand for 40 years because they displeased the Lord. That is proof right there. But no answer will suffice your disbelief. It will be Job next or Saul or Solomon or something else. Prove to me that God exits? It is redundant and it runs rampant up here from the worldly types that love to watch porn, violence and slug booze until their hearts are content. They love it and embrace it and they hate when they have to be reminded that it is not holy and it leads to spiritual and self destruction. Ohhh how they will cry and wail if that right is taken away. That is why the charlatans feed you this crap. Witches and warlocks at $9 bucks a pop and some cheap flim flam concession that will just eat you inside out. They corrupt your mind and take your hard earned money to boot. Laughable. That is why dysfunction is running high. That is why cancer is running wild. That is why these idiots embrace lying politicians and little preggie Spears. Pay attention to what is a complete waste of time and then suffer the consequences. No thanks. While dolts here want to pay and play with this nonsense and the LOTR (which is just a pure rip off of the OT spiced up with more occultist meanderings), Harry Potter and whatever witch craft that comes spewing out of Hollyweird it is all just bad in the eyes of God and it appears that it ends up bad for a lot of people that play with it.

PowerMonster stock up 3 5/8

 

[(HULK)]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Man, I don't know what to say about all of this, but I really want to party with Power Monster. He sounds fun!

 

[Power Monster]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Man, I don't know what to say about all of this, but I really want to party with Power Monster. He sounds fun!

Ohhh I have fun. I eat well. I sleep well. I have great family. Great job. Brothers in Christ that will do anything for me. I don't have to be a whore mongor to have fun in life. There is more out there then bad movies, booze, drugs, dumb women, porn, chasing the dumb "American Dream" and silly games....

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ohhh I have fun. I eat well. I sleep well. I have great family. Great job. Brothers in Christ that will do anything for me. I don't have to be a whore mongor to have fun in life. There is more out there then bad movies, booze, drugs, dumb women, porn, chasing the dumb "American Dream" and silly games....

Like what? Self flagellation?What's your definition of "The American Dream"?

 

[snitwitch]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Man, I don't know what to say about all of this, but I really want to party with Power Monster. He sounds fun!

Ohhh I have fun. I eat well. I sleep well. I have great family. Great job. Brothers in Christ that will do anything for me. I don't have to be a whore mongor to have fun in life. There is more out there then bad movies, booze, drugs, dumb women, porn, chasing the dumb "American Dream" and silly games....

But as I read in the Gospel According to Billy Joel, the sinners are much more fun, is that not true Power Monster?

 

[Limp Ditka]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Man, I don't know what to say about all of this, but I really want to party with Power Monster. He sounds fun!

Ohhh I have fun. I eat well. I sleep well. I have great family. Great job. Brothers in Christ that will do anything for me. I don't have to be a whore mongor to have fun in life. There is more out there then bad movies, booze, drugs, dumb women, porn, chasing the dumb "American Dream" and silly games....

BlashpemyAnd you call yourself Power Monster

 

[Power Monster]

Self flagellation?

Might be yer idea of fun....

What's your definition of "The American Dream"?

You tell me because you seem to be living it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What's your definition of "The American Dream"?

You tell me because you seem to be living it.

No. I asked you.You called it "dumb". I wish to know what you view it as that makes you draw that conclusion.

 

[(HULK)]

But if God didn't want Harry Potter movies he wouldn't have inspired J.K. Rowling

That filth was not inspired by God....

Man, I don't know what to say about all of this, but I really want to party with Power Monster. He sounds fun!

Ohhh I have fun. I eat well. I sleep well. I have great family. Great job. Brothers in Christ that will do anything for me. I don't have to be a whore mongor to have fun in life. There is more out there then bad movies, booze, drugs, dumb women, porn, chasing the dumb "American Dream" and silly games....

When we hang, can we play charades, or is that considered witchcraft? What about Monopoly? Or does that glorify wealth too much?Are we going to be relegated to checkers?

 

[Power Monster]

But as I read in the Gospel According to Billy Joel, the sinners are much more fun, is that not true Power Monster?

Ha that is funny. Don't hate the sinners but hate the sin. Billy Joel did write a great song called: "We Didn't Start the Fire". Seems to tell the tale of all the greatness of the American Dream

 

[Power Monster]

When we hang, can we play charades, or is that considered witchcraft? What about Monopoly? Or does that glorify wealth too much?

Are we going to be relegated to checkers?

You can do what you want. Life is about choice not chance. Would I play these games? No. Maybe checkers with a kid that wants to learn.

 

[(HULK)]

When we hang, can we play charades, or is that considered witchcraft? What about Monopoly? Or does that glorify wealth too much?

Are we going to be relegated to checkers?

You can do what you want. Life is about choice not chance. Would I play these games? No. Maybe checkers with a kid that wants to learn.

I'm saying, if you and I hung out, what would we do for fun? Besides the obvious flaunting of the quote function.I may be a porn-loving, Harry Potter reading, booze swilling, god denying atheist, but lets just pretend we decide to hang out and pursue a fun time. I'm up for anything, tell me what we'd do that you'd enjoy.

 

[Power Monster]

What's your definition of "The American Dream"?

You tell me because you seem to be living it.

No. I asked you.You called it "dumb". I wish to know what you view it as that makes you draw that conclusion.

Good golly mister. Should I be taking the stand and placing my hand on the Bible. This is how it works. You ask a question you get an answer/opinion. I ask a question I get an answer/opinion.

Here is my answer: There is no American Dream it is a big old lie...

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

When we hang, can we play charades, or is that considered witchcraft? What about Monopoly? Or does that glorify wealth too much?

Are we going to be relegated to checkers?

You can do what you want. Life is about choice not chance. Would I play these games? No. Maybe checkers with a kid that wants to learn.

I'm saying, if you and I hung out, what would we do for fun?

Well you can put away your robe and wizard hat, that's for sure.