Peterson on Roaf (1 Viewer)

[gocats]

Just listened to an interview of King Carl on 810am and he had several things to say about Willie Roaf.

He said that he was dissapointed that Willie has not yet returned either his or Herms phone calls. He said that even though Roaf said on ESPN that he would not play this year, Willie's agent told Carl that he would like to keep the door open for this year. He said that he told Willies agent that he wanted Roaf to call Herm so that he could explain to him what his practice scedule would be and how long it would take to get into playing shape. He then said that Willie will count against the cap this year and he will keep an open door for him until week 10.

Sorry about not having exact quotes, but I was listening to all this on the radio in the car. And unfortunately, I did not hear the entire interview.

Did anyone else hear this that can add to it?

 

[Bri]

no but at chiefs website herm said this

Q: Is there anything on the Willie Roaf front? Have you spoken to him yet? The locker still has his uniform in it and he’s still on the roster.

EDWARDS: “Until I speak to him he’s still here and his uniform’s still here.”

 

[Chaos Commish]

Typical responses to tragedy.

Herm is in denial.

Carl has moved on to bargaining.

They'll travel through anger and depression before accepting Roaf is gone.

 

[Bri]

Typical responses to tragedy.Herm is in denial.Carl has moved on to bargaining. They'll travel through anger and depression before accepting Roaf is gone.

 

[nygiants56]

Typical responses to tragedy.

Herm is in denial.

Carl has moved on to bargaining.

We'll ALL travel through anger and depression before accepting Roaf is gone.

Fixed for us LJ owners..

 

[MDSkinner]

I live in KC, and basically half of the Sports Talk around town is still holding out hope that he will come back, the other half is giving into the fact that the guy went on a National Television Show and said flat out that he was not playing this year.

Chiefs fans seem to think that the season rides on Roaf (they may be right given last year when he was out). I personally, think it is a done deal that he is out this year, but clearly others want to believe otherwise.

 

[massraider]

I live in KC, and basically half of the Sports Talk around town is still holding out hope that he will come back, the other half is giving into the fact that the guy went on a National Television Show and said flat out that he was not playing this year. Chiefs fans seem to think that the season rides on Roaf (they may be right given last year when he was out). I personally, think it is a done deal that he is out this year, but clearly others want to believe otherwise.

I was in the "suuuuuuure he's retired " camp until I saw Willie on national TV declaring himself done, and noticed that he still hasn't called Herm or Carl, and they've taken to passing notes through his agent.I don't think this drops LJ out of the top 3, I think pass protection is the real concern.

 

[redman]

no but at chiefs website herm said this

Q: Is there anything on the Willie Roaf front? Have you spoken to him yet? The locker still has his uniform in it and he’s still on the roster.

EDWARDS: “Until I speak to him he’s still here and his uniform’s still here.”

If he's still "here", Herm, then why isn't he on your depth chart?During what weeks was Roaf injured last year?

Answered my own question: he was injured before week 1 and returned to the lineup in week 6. Here are LJ's stats from those first four games before week 6:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |	9   110  |	11  |  2 ||  2  oak  |	9	41  |	 0  |  1 ||  3  den  |	8	13  |	 0  |  0 ||  4  phi  |	7	34  |	 0  |  0 |

For good measure, here are Priest Holmes' stats from those same weeks:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |   22	85  |	 5  |  1 ||  2  oak  |   19	75  |	15  |  1 ||  3  den  |   14	61  |	32  |  0 ||  4  phi  |   18	84  |	24  |  1 |

For all the talk about how miserable it was with Roaf out of the lineup, I'm not seeing a major production problem from the RB's during this period of time.

 

[joffer]

has he filed his retirement papers yet?

 

[massraider]

has he filed his retirement papers yet?

I don't think so. But.....what kind of got glossed over in all the Roaf talk, was that when he made his statements on Cold Pizza, and mentioned the door being open, he was actually referring to next year. He was about as adamant as a guy can be that it wasn't happening in 2006.

 

[BigRed]

If he's still "here", Herm, then why isn't he on your depth chart?

That is NFL.com's web site, not KC's, and those things are about as trustable as Bill Clinton's fidelity. I don't think he's coming back either, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

 

[Todem]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.

I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.

LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.

Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

 

[Bri]

If he's still "here", Herm, then why isn't he on your depth chart?

That is NFL.com's web site, not KC's, and those things are about as trustable as Bill Clinton's fidelity. I don't think he's coming back either, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

I did read that they will keep him on the roster til week 10 since they have to pay him anyway. (I think it was at chiefs website) That's awful odd "wishful thinking".

 

[Banger]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

 

[Judge Smails]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

In my league, he falls to nobody. LJ goes #1, by me..

 

[Todem]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

I agree he will be missed. Bit I disagree that is a reason along with all the other fantasy MB fodder of Wilborn, Herm Edwards etc to think LJ is not an elite rb and worthy of a top 3 pick. I think you canlt go wrong with any of the top 3, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Is somebody sleeping with Roaf's wife again.....?

Is that the real reason he's not coming back?

 

[One]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

In my league, he falls to nobody. LJ goes #1, by me..

I second that. Took him and never looked back. In regards to Roaf coming back... It's the NFL, anything can happen. Larry will be fine either way.

 

[massraider]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

they are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

That's the whole thing. I've seen a lot of panic posts, but haven't seen anyone with a shot at LJ taking anyone other than the big 3. I want to see the guy who is so concerned, that at 1.03 he took SJax, or Brown.

 

[Banger]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

I agree he will be missed. Bit I disagree that is a reason along with all the other fantasy MB fodder of Wilborn, Herm Edwards etc to think LJ is not an elite rb and worthy of a top 3 pick. I think you canlt go wrong with any of the top 3, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

In talent though I don't know if he's up with those two. His value is being the KC running back in a great offense with a great line (which he's always had). If it's not as easy to lose two guards, an all pro blocker, a head coach and offensive coordinator as everything thinks it is he might struggle. Basically, my point is that his downside is larger than LT, SA. It's all about risk IMO.

 

[massraider]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

I agree he will be missed. Bit I disagree that is a reason along with all the other fantasy MB fodder of Wilborn, Herm Edwards etc to think LJ is not an elite rb and worthy of a top 3 pick. I think you canlt go wrong with any of the top 3, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

In talent though I don't know if he's up with those two. His value is being the KC running back in a great offense with a great line (which he's always had). If it's not as easy to lose two guards, an all pro blocker, a head coach and offensive coordinator as everything thinks he is a much worse risk. Basically, my point is that his downside is larger than LT, SA.

He hasn't lost two guards. He has in the preseason, but not for the reg season.Anyway, I agree there's questions, but his talent? This guy broke a lot of tackles last year, he was the benificiary of a good line, no question, but I think he's the goods. Why isn't Alexander's talent questioned? He lost Hutch. Seem kind of similar to me.

 

[Banger]

And if Roaf played this year how healthy would he be at 36? He was hurt all year last season. Even when he played he must have been playing with pain. This is so over analyzed.I agree you need a good line, but the great backs make average lines look good and good lines look great.LJ is a STUD back and will put up top 5 numbers. Why would he not score 15-20 TD's? Why would he not be able to rush for 1500 yards. What is wrong with that? Larry has the tools and skill set of an elite back.Draft him accordingly. And laugh if he falls to you at 4.

If they didn't need/want Roaf or if he wasn't valuable Herm wouldn't be calling everyday, Peterson wouldn't be calling/rolling out the red carpet. I can't really remember this happening with a player before. He obviously means something. An 11 time pro bowler, most ever by an offensive tackle and they will be fine without him. He was the captain of the line. He will be missed.

I agree he will be missed. Bit I disagree that is a reason along with all the other fantasy MB fodder of Wilborn, Herm Edwards etc to think LJ is not an elite rb and worthy of a top 3 pick. I think you canlt go wrong with any of the top 3, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

In talent though I don't know if he's up with those two. His value is being the KC running back in a great offense with a great line (which he's always had). If it's not as easy to lose two guards, an all pro blocker, a head coach and offensive coordinator as everything thinks he is a much worse risk. Basically, my point is that his downside is larger than LT, SA.

He hasn't lost two guards. He has in the preseason, but not for the reg season.Anyway, I agree there's questions, but his talent? This guy broke a lot of tackles last year, he was the benificiary of a good line, no question, but I think he's the goods. Why isn't Alexander's talent questioned? He lost Hutch. Seem kind of similar to me.

They still have Walter Jones, one of the best QB's, their returning very good coach, a good defense, a cake schedule. One thing has changed for SA and 5 things have changed for KC.

 

[redman]

If he's still "here", Herm, then why isn't he on your depth chart?

That is NFL.com's web site, not KC's, and those things are about as trustable as Bill Clinton's fidelity. I don't think he's coming back either, but it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

I agree. To be specific, normally they're not reliable because they're not updated very often like Ourlads is. I just find it interesting that this was somehow updated and that Roaf's name was removed.

 

[shadow2k]

During what weeks was Roaf injured last year?Answered my own question: he was injured before week 1 and returned to the lineup in week 6. Here are LJ's stats from those first four games before week 6:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |	9   110  |	11  |  2 ||  2  oak  |	9	41  |	 0  |  1 ||  3  den  |	8	13  |	 0  |  0 ||  4  phi  |	7	34  |	 0  |  0 |

For good measure, here are Priest Holmes' stats from those same weeks:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |   22	85  |	 5  |  1 ||  2  oak  |   19	75  |	15  |  1 ||  3  den  |   14	61  |	32  |  0 ||  4  phi  |   18	84  |	24  |  1 |

For all the talk about how miserable it was with Roaf out of the lineup, I'm not seeing a major production problem from the RB's during this period of time.

This isn't exactly true. He started week 1, and got injured in the first Q if I remember right. He was inactive for the next three games. He returned for the Washington game in week 6 after the bye, reaggrevated the hamstring, then didn't really play again until the final 6 weeks of the season. It will say Roaf played 10 games last year, but he only really played any real amount in the final 6. He was officially inactive for weeks 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 (the last three being games 8/9/10 on the schedule after the bye). But for all intents and purposes...weeks 12-17 are the only ones he really played much in.The three games LJ started when Roaf was inactive were weeks 9/10/11, where LJ rushed for 107/2, 132/0, and 211/2 (4.9, 4.9, and 5.9ypc).

 

[redman]

During what weeks was Roaf injured last year?Answered my own question: he was injured before week 1 and returned to the lineup in week 6. Here are LJ's stats from those first four games before week 6:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |	9   110  |	11  |  2 ||  2  oak  |	9	41  |	 0  |  1 ||  3  den  |	8	13  |	 0  |  0 ||  4  phi  |	7	34  |	 0  |  0 |

For good measure, here are Priest Holmes' stats from those same weeks:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |   22	85  |	 5  |  1 ||  2  oak  |   19	75  |	15  |  1 ||  3  den  |   14	61  |	32  |  0 ||  4  phi  |   18	84  |	24  |  1 |

For all the talk about how miserable it was with Roaf out of the lineup, I'm not seeing a major production problem from the RB's during this period of time.

This isn't exactly true. He started week 1, and got injured in the first Q if I remember right. He was inactive for the next three games. He returned for the Washington game in week 6 after the bye, reaggrevated the hamstring, then didn't really play again until the final 6 weeks of the season. It will say Roaf played 10 games last year, but he only really played any real amount in the final 6. He was officially inactive for weeks 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 (the last three being games 8/9/10 on the schedule after the bye). But for all intents and purposes...weeks 12-17 are the only ones he really played much in.The three games LJ started when Roaf was inactive were weeks 9/10/11, where LJ rushed for 107/2, 132/0, and 211/2 (4.9, 4.9, and 5.9ypc).

Thanks for the clarification. Even with the new information, though, I'm drawing the same conclusion. Roaf's presence on the line appears to have been irrelevant statistically to LJ's performance.

 

[shadow2k]

Thanks for the clarification. Even with the new information, though, I'm drawing the same conclusion. Roaf's presence on the line appears to have been irrelevant statistically to LJ's performance.

Yeah, been telling people that for weeks. Just got tired of doing it. Same thing with all the other issues people are worried about. T.Rich, Vermeil, Saunders, Welbourn, crappy preseason games. I've gone over all these issues too many times to do it again in-depth. But LJ will be fine.

 

[facook]

During what weeks was Roaf injured last year?Answered my own question: he was injured before week 1 and returned to the lineup in week 6. Here are LJ's stats from those first four games before week 6:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |	9   110  |	11  |  2 ||  2  oak  |	9	41  |	 0  |  1 ||  3  den  |	8	13  |	 0  |  0 ||  4  phi  |	7	34  |	 0  |  0 |

For good measure, here are Priest Holmes' stats from those same weeks:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  nyj  |   22	85  |	 5  |  1 ||  2  oak  |   19	75  |	15  |  1 ||  3  den  |   14	61  |	32  |  0 ||  4  phi  |   18	84  |	24  |  1 |

For all the talk about how miserable it was with Roaf out of the lineup, I'm not seeing a major production problem from the RB's during this period of time.

This isn't exactly true. He started week 1, and got injured in the first Q if I remember right. He was inactive for the next three games. He returned for the Washington game in week 6 after the bye, reaggrevated the hamstring, then didn't really play again until the final 6 weeks of the season. It will say Roaf played 10 games last year, but he only really played any real amount in the final 6. He was officially inactive for weeks 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 and 11 (the last three being games 8/9/10 on the schedule after the bye). But for all intents and purposes...weeks 12-17 are the only ones he really played much in.The three games LJ started when Roaf was inactive were weeks 9/10/11, where LJ rushed for 107/2, 132/0, and 211/2 (4.9, 4.9, and 5.9ypc).

Thanks for the clarification. Even with the new information, though, I'm drawing the same conclusion. Roaf's presence on the line appears to have been irrelevant statistically to LJ's performance.

Keep in mind, though, that Weeks 9/10/11 were against Oakland, Buffalo, and Houston. LJ had great success without Roaf in those three games against very subpar defenses. I'd be surprised to see him have similar success against San Diego, Denver, and Baltimore this year. On my board he sits firmly at #3 behind Alexander and LT while Roaf remains retired.

 

[shadow2k]

Keep in mind, though, that Weeks 9/10/11 were against Oakland, Buffalo, and Houston. LJ had great success without Roaf in those three games against very subpar defenses. I'd be surprised to see him have similar success against San Diego, Denver, and Baltimore this year. On my board he sits firmly at #3 behind Alexander and LT while Roaf remains retired.

LJ had success without Roaf because LJ is an inside runner. 135/680/6TD's is what he did up the middle. And the interior line in week one will be exactly the same as it was last year. As a comparison, SA ran the ball up the middle for 86/357/2TD's. KC ran the ball to the left because of Priest, he was the outside runner. Priest would have missed Roaf. Roaf barely played at all in the first 10 games. Yet, LJ's 5.2 ypc in games 1-8 is the same as it is for games 9-16. The first eight being entirely without Roaf, regardless of whether LJ was a sub or not.The biggest concern for LJ now that Roaf is gone...is whether or not LJ learned to block this year. Because he absolutely sucked at it last year. But his numbers will be there in the end.

 

[oldfootbal]

has he filed his retirement papers yet?

Do you know what you are talking about? There is no rush and no need to file retirement papers for awhile. He doesn't need the money.I assume you are the typical KC fan. Holding on to false hope. Maybe Barry Sanders will come out of retirement.

 

[joffer]

has he filed his retirement papers yet?

Do you know what you are talking about? There is no rush and no need to file retirement papers for awhile. He doesn't need the money.I assume you are the typical KC fan. Holding on to false hope. Maybe Barry Sanders will come out of retirement.

i was just asking, i didn't know. thanks for your concern though:ignorelist: