Petrino's private # found at Vick's VA house (1 Viewer)

[burd]

i find it hard to believe that Vick is so stupid as to leave his coach's phone number at the site of an illegal dog fighting operation, but Vick has set a new standard of stupidity, so i guess it is possible

PETRINO'S PRIVATE NUMBER WAS FOUND AT VICK'S VIRGINIA HOUSE

A source with knowledge of the Mike Vick investigation has shared with us some previously unknown details about the situation.

Here's the kicker, in our view. The feds' initial search of Mike Vick's house in Virginia turned up Falcons coach Bobby Petrino's private phone number. The implication is obvious -- Vick goes to the property, and had been there this year, because Petrino was hired in January 2007.

Compare that nugget to Vick's only comments on the matter: "I never go there."

Also, the second federal search of the Vick property in Surry County was aimed at confirming the reliability and credibility of the informants. The dog carcasses found on the second dig meshed with information given regarding the means of death; thus, an indictment was obtained 10 days later.

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

[Keith Lewis]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

 

[vandyt]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

 

[Keith Lewis]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

Do you have any clue how many times that site posts false information? More often than not it's untrue. Right back at you with the rolling eyes.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Hopefully this thread doesn't get polluted with a lot of gibberish by posters who's monikers are based on talk show hosts.

How does this play out?

Vick will likely accept a plea bargain that will result in a prison sentence of between 18 to 24 months, of which he must serve 85% of such sentence per Federal statute.

Goodell will somewhat "punt" on the issue of Vick's future NFL status. He will do this by notionally suspending Vick either "indefinately" or "for life", but as with mutlitple offenders within the substance abuse program leave the door open for reinstatement at some future point even within the context of a lifetime ban. So Godell can come across consistent with his "tough on crime" posture, but let things play out further before committing to any reinstatement.

Falcons will cut ties with Vick (cut him) and sue for reimbursement on a portion of Vick's signing bonus. Not sure exactly how, but I suspect that the Falcons will get some type of "user friendly" salary cap status for 2008 given this unique situation and given that the Falcons cooperated well with the NFL throughout this mess and kept Vick out of training camp before the NFL took action.

Given the above, Vick's status may not be subject to the "Antonio Bryant Syndrome" given that the NFL does not suspend him for a finite period of time which then would have to served anew if a new team wants to sign him (assuming that he's reinstated) given that the Falcons presumably cut him.

The earliest that a "rehabilatated" Mike Vick could possibly see an NFL football field would be in 2009. He will be 29, rusty and not someone that most NFL teams will be excited about from an on-field QB leadership standpoint (puting aside the PR mess). If Vick really plays his cards right --- tear jerking Barbara Walters interviews, volunteer work for good causes, shows remorse and cleans up his act, America for the most part will allow for a 2nd chance as Vick will have paid his debt to society. However, I only see him resurfacing in the NFL in some sort of "specialty role" (Kordell Stewart) and may have to go to the CFL in 2009 and look for a return engagement to the NFL in 2010 in a role other than as a starting QB.

 

[burd]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

yeah, i used to not pay much attention to this site's rumors, but many of the stories that are eventually told by the media are first broken on this site(and other sites). A lot of their rumors come from inside sources in the NFL that can't divulge info to the media. I don't believe 100% of what they report all the time, but they're usually pretty good at being somewhat selective and not writing about every rumor that gets out.

 

[Frank Black]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

 

[zamboni]

Let me guess: the phone number is 867-5309 and a girl named Jenny lives there.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Next they'll report Michael Vick was abducted by aliens and impregnated by bigfoot on the alien craft.

 

[redman]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

Do you have any clue how many times that site posts false information? More often than not it's untrue. Right back at you with the rolling eyes.

Ok, so you're guaranteeing that:1) Petrino's telephone # was not found at the property?

and

2) the second search did not confirm the informants' stories by confirming the cause of death on the carcasses?

We won't see that from any other news source, eh?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

i find it hard to believe that Vick is so stupid as to leave his coach's phone number at the site of an illegal dog fighting operation, but Vick has set a new standard of stupidity, so i guess it is possible

Since when are criminals known to be not stupid?

 

[Keith Lewis]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

Do you have any clue how many times that site posts false information? More often than not it's untrue. Right back at you with the rolling eyes.

Ok, so you're guaranteeing that:1) Petrino's telephone # was not found at the property?

and

2) the second search did not confirm the informants' stories by confirming the cause of death on the carcasses?

We won't see that from any other news source, eh?

I'm not sure how you turned "more often than not it's untrue" to "I guarentee it's not true". Not sure how you twisted my words so well. Good job nonetheless. When I see it on yahoo or espn or fbg news, i'll buy it. If it only shows up on profootballtalk rumor mill and never another site/paper/etc, I won't buy it.

 

[redman]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

Do you have any clue how many times that site posts false information? More often than not it's untrue. Right back at you with the rolling eyes.

Ok, so you're guaranteeing that:1) Petrino's telephone # was not found at the property?

and

2) the second search did not confirm the informants' stories by confirming the cause of death on the carcasses?

We won't see that from any other news source, eh?

I'm not sure how you turned "more often than not it's untrue" to "I guarentee it's not true". Not sure how you twisted my words so well. Good job nonetheless. When I see it on yahoo or espn or fbg news, i'll buy it. If it only shows up on profootballtalk rumor mill and never another site/paper/etc, I won't buy it.

Actually, I was referring to this:

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

I should add that I've been critical of their information gathering and publishing practices in the past too. What makes this interesting is the level of specificity of the information here. The Bobby Petrino phone # item would be a pretty difficult thing for me to believe was made up. Likewise, the explanation of the second search as confirmation of the witnesses' information also seems like an unlikely lie. They may not have complied with good journalistic practices and gotten confirmation of these facts from 2nd or 3rd sources in the name of getting the info out there fast, but I'm betting they've got this stuff right here.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Hopefully this thread doesn't get polluted with a lot of gibberish by posters who's monikers are based on talk show hosts.How does this play out?Vick will likely accept a plea bargain that will result in a prison sentence of between 18 to 24 months, of which he must serve 85% of such sentence per Federal statute.Goodell will somewhat "punt" on the issue of Vick's future NFL status. He will do this by notionally suspending Vick either "indefinately" or "for life", but as with mutlitple offenders within the substance abuse program leave the door open for reinstatement at some future point even within the context of a lifetime ban. So Godell can come across consistent with his "tough on crime" posture, but let things play out further before committing to any reinstatement. Falcons will cut ties with Vick (cut him) and sue for reimbursement on a portion of Vick's signing bonus. Not sure exactly how, but I suspect that the Falcons will get some type of "user friendly" salary cap status for 2008 given this unique situation and given that the Falcons cooperated well with the NFL throughout this mess and kept Vick out of training camp before the NFL took action.Given the above, Vick's status may not be subject to the "Antonio Bryant Syndrome" given that the NFL does not suspend him for a finite period of time which then would have to served anew if a new team wants to sign him (assuming that he's reinstated) given that the Falcons presumably cut him.The earliest that a "rehabilatated" Mike Vick could possibly see an NFL football field would be in 2009. He will be 29, rusty and not someone that most NFL teams will be excited about from an on-field QB leadership standpoint (puting aside the PR mess). If Vick really plays his cards right --- tear jerking Barbara Walters interviews, volunteer work for good causes, shows remorse and cleans up his act, America for the most part will allow for a 2nd chance as Vick will have paid his debt to society. However, I only see him resurfacing in the NFL in some sort of "specialty role" (Kordell Stewart) and may have to go to the CFL in 2009 and look for a return engagement to the NFL in 2010 in a role other than as a starting QB.

this sounds about the way I'd figure it too...nice job WW(If Vick is anywhere in the NFL in 2010, he'll be wearing a Lions uniform)

 

[Loomba]

It will be very interesting to see what kind of plea bargain, if any, is worked out. I was a little surprised to hear the prosecutors are considering this given that they appear to have a lot of evidence and the other 3 accused cooperating against Vick. A plea bargain where Vick pleads guilty to the gambling stuff and that has the animal abuse charges dropped (assuming the prosecutors would even go in this direction) might be the only way he gets to play again in the NFL. It's dicey as the league won't like a gambling conviction, but the dog abuse stuff is much more emotional for fans and will be what the league is most responsive to.

If Vick can say I was found guilty of gambling related stuff but not the animal abuse stuff (as unlikely as that plea bargain may be), he might have a shot at getting back into the league one day.

It's still 4th and very long for him though.

 

[Scottish Revenge]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Thank you.

 

[redman]

If Vick can say I was found guilty of gambling related stuff but not the animal abuse stuff (as unlikely as that plea bargain may be), he might have a shot at getting back into the league one day.

It won't matter. Nobody will believe at this point that he wasn't involved in dog fighting, and a plea arrangement (which people are already rightly suspicious of generally as it relates to accurately defining the facts and actual culpability) won't change that.

 

[Yenrub]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement...."

 

[-jb-]

Petrino actually left his phone number there after a passionate night of gay love with Vick's cousin. He is apparently also into dog fighting.

Link

 

[Christo]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

 

[Yenrub]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It’s called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It’s not a big deal to me that he said “never”

 

[IM666]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It’s called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It’s not a big deal to me that he said “never”

I think the idea is he has been to that estate recently. Finding the number of his new head coach suggests he has been there during the timeline of when the fights occurred. I understand that "never" is not absolute, however it is a far cry from being there 6-8 months ago.For example, the last time I took a vacation was November 2006. Do I say "I've never taken a vacation"? No, I say "Last time I was on vacation was about a year ago".

 

[redman]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It's called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It's not a big deal to me that he said "never"

And of course we should assume that Vick can be that casual with the facts when he's being investigated by a Federal prosecutor and the FBI, and by Roger Goodell who is known to be trying to make a statement about NFL discipline. BTW, if Vick says that he "never" engaged in dogfighting, shall we assume that it was "only once a week"?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It's called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It's not a big deal to me that he said "never"

And of course we should assume that Vick can be that casual with the facts when he's being investigated by a Federal prosecutor and the FBI, and by Roger Goodell who is known to be trying to make a statement about NFL discipline. BTW, if Vick says that he "never" engaged in dogfighting, shall we assume that it was "only once a week"?

You tell the feds "I never go there" you better mean "never" not "hardly ever".

 

[Yenrub]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It's called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It's not a big deal to me that he said "never"

And of course we should assume that Vick can be that casual with the facts when he's being investigated by a Federal prosecutor and the FBI, and by Roger Goodell who is known to be trying to make a statement about NFL discipline. BTW, if Vick says that he "never" engaged in dogfighting, shall we assume that it was "only once a week"?

You tell the feds "I never go there" you better mean "never" not "hardly ever".

I don’t recall him telling the Fed’s he “never” went to the house; I think he said “never” to some reporter before the Feds got involved, shortly after the local authorities were involved. I could be wrong about that but that is how I remember it.

 

[redman]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It's called an exaggeration.People often exaggerate. Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.It's not a big deal to me that he said "never"

And of course we should assume that Vick can be that casual with the facts when he's being investigated by a Federal prosecutor and the FBI, and by Roger Goodell who is known to be trying to make a statement about NFL discipline. BTW, if Vick says that he "never" engaged in dogfighting, shall we assume that it was "only once a week"?

You tell the feds "I never go there" you better mean "never" not "hardly ever".

I don't recall him telling the Fed's he "never" went to the house; I think he said "never" to some reporter before the Feds got involved, shortly after the local authorities were involved. I could be wrong about that but that is how I remember it.

Oh good, so he was smart enough to be telling two different stories at the same time, and publicly no less! If this is the best defense Vick can put up it's no wonder he's looking for a plea deal.

 

[Heinz 57]

ANOTHER Vick thread? Shame on you.

 

[Yenrub]

Sometimes, "never" means never. Other times, "never" means rarely. So, regardless of whether the story is true, the implications may or may not be very significant.

Seriously what is with rolling of the eyes?It's called an exaggeration.

People often exaggerate.

Vick is from Virginia maybe he use to go there once a week or something when he was a rookie but as the years went by he hasn't been there as much as he use to go, so he exaggerated and said never.

It's not a big deal to me that he said "never"

And of course we should assume that Vick can be that casual with the facts when he's being investigated by a Federal prosecutor and the FBI, and by Roger Goodell who is known to be trying to make a statement about NFL discipline. BTW, if Vick says that he "never" engaged in dogfighting, shall we assume that it was "only once a week"?

You tell the feds "I never go there" you better mean "never" not "hardly ever".

I don't recall him telling the Fed's he "never" went to the house; I think he said "never" to some reporter before the Feds got involved, shortly after the local authorities were involved. I could be wrong about that but that is how I remember it.

Oh good, so he was smart enough to be telling two different stories at the same time, and publicly no less! If this is the best defense Vick can put up it's no wonder he's looking for a plea deal.

Knowing that Vick grew up in Virginia, went to college in Virginia, has family in Virginia and has purchased property in Virginia, I didn’t take "I'm never at the house,” literally.

VICK TIMELINEApril 25: Police execute a search warrant at property in Surry County, Va., owned by Michael Vick while investigating drug charges against Vick's cousin Davon Boddie. At the property, police discover evidence of dogfightingApril 26: Police execute another search warrant at the property on Moonlight Road and seize evidence related to dog fighting, including 66 dogs, mainly pit bulls, treadmills and other equipment.April 27: In New York for the NFL draft, Vick tells the Journal-Constitution: "I'm never there. I'm never at the house." Vick blames family members for the trouble.April 28: While at the NFL draft, Vick meets with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for 20 minutes.May 10: Falcons owner Arthur Blank has a meeting with Vick. Blank later said, "I couldn't have been more stern."May 11: Vick appears at a Falcons mini-camp, but refuses to answer questions about the dogfighting investigation: "As of right now my situation is still under investigation, and my attorney's advised me not to talk about this situation right now."June 7: Feds open their own investigation by executing a search warrant at Vick's property. Authorities are there for a day, digging and carrying out boxes.July 2: Federal authorities file documents seeking the forfeiture of the dogs seized in the investigation. The document claims Vick's property was the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls" for a widespread dogfighting operation in at least seven states. The documents do not name individuals, but calls the group "Bad Newz Kennels."July 6: Federal authorities execute a second search warrant at Vick's property. Authorities are there for a day, digging with a backhoe and leaving with more boxes.July 17: Vick is indicted on one federal count of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. Vick is indicted with three others, all known acquaintances.

April 27: In New York for the NFL draft, Vick tells the Journal-Constitution: "I'm never there. I'm never at the house." Vick blames family members for the trouble.

 

[jonessed]

I'm looking forward to the 2010 Pac Man vs Ron Mexico wrestling match-up.

 

[Spiderman]

I think that Bobby Petrino placed that evidence there to get rid of his scumbag QB, end up going 2-14, and able to pick his college QB, Brian Brohm #1 overall in next years draft. The perfect plan....

 

[vandyt]

http://profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

If only that link picks up the story, consider it fiction.

Do you have any clue how many times that site posts false information? More often than not it's untrue. :X Right back at you with the rolling eyes.

Are you a Jason Wood alias?

 

[Truman]

I think you guys need to over analyze this more. Vick spent 3 seconds coming up with that flippant remark.

 

[redman]

I think you guys need to over analyze this more. Vick spent 3 seconds coming up with that flippant remark.

Yeah, I'll bet Goodell's having a good ole' laugh right now at Mike Vick's flippancy. Oh what a character that Mike Vick is!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'm going to continue to not point fingers but for the love of god would people stop trying to sell that Vick was an awful NFL QB or FF QB for that matter.

1st QB to win a playoff game in Green Bay...that's a long rich history. I watched that game and enjoyed seeing him play.

Vick has done things with the football we have not seen. That run against Minnesota was sick and he has had a lot of those plays. I would have to check the stats but he was pretty solid (top 10) as a FF QB last year.

Do I agree with the way Vick chose to live his life? Of course not...BUT, most of us have made mistakes in our lives, I doubt any of us are completely free from sin or immoral acts in our lives. Vick will get a firm and proper punishment for his acts, including losing tens of millions of dollars in endorsements and the like. I understand that people like to feel special and a part of something bigger by piling on but IMO you are only making yourself look foolish.

 

[Two Deep]

I'm going to continue to not point fingers but for the love of god would people stop trying to sell that Vick was an awful NFL QB or FF QB for that matter.1st QB to win a playoff game in Green Bay...that's a long rich history. I watched that game and enjoyed seeing him play.Vick has done things with the football we have not seen. That run against Minnesota was sick and he has had a lot of those plays. I would have to check the stats but he was pretty solid (top 10) as a FF QB last year.Do I agree with the way Vick chose to live his life? Of course not...BUT, most of us have made mistakes in our lives, I doubt any of us are completely free from sin or immoral acts in our lives. Vick will get a firm and proper punishment for his acts, including losing tens of millions of dollars in endorsements and the like. I understand that people like to feel special and a part of something bigger by piling on but IMO you are only making yourself look foolish.

Vick was an awful NFL QB just ask his receivers over the last six years.

 

[redman]

I'm going to continue to not point fingers but for the love of god would people stop trying to sell that Vick was an awful NFL QB or FF QB for that matter.

1st QB to win a playoff game in Green Bay...that's a long rich history. I watched that game and enjoyed seeing him play.

Vick has done things with the football we have not seen. That run against Minnesota was sick and he has had a lot of those plays. I would have to check the stats but he was pretty solid (top 10) as a FF QB last year.

Do I agree with the way Vick chose to live his life? Of course not...BUT, most of us have made mistakes in our lives, I doubt any of us are completely free from sin or immoral acts in our lives. Vick will get a firm and proper punishment for his acts, including losing tens of millions of dollars in endorsements and the like. I understand that people like to feel special and a part of something bigger by piling on but IMO you are only making yourself look foolish.

 

[burd]

the big question is: which team will take a chance on Vick once he's available? As inconsistent as he is, he does win games and is better than some of the other starters in the league (Frye, Tavarius ...), so some team will take a chance on him in '08 or '09 or whenever.

This much is almost guaranteed: if Vick comes back to the NFL with a different team, he sure as h#ll isn't going to make nearly as much as the Falcons paid him, and he made much more through endorsements, which are no longer available to him.

 

[suchislife]

the big question is: which team will take a chance on Vick once he's available? As inconsistent as he is, he does win games and is better than some of the other starters in the league (Frye, Tavarius ...), so some team will take a chance on him in '08 or '09 or whenever. This much is almost guaranteed: if Vick comes back to the NFL with a different team, he sure as h#ll isn't going to make nearly as much as the Falcons paid him, and he made much more through endorsements, which are no longer available to him.

Let's say Vick pleads guilty and agrees to only 1 year of jail time. His sentencing probably won't be until November. He gets out November 2008. Obviously too late to play next season. So by the time the '09 season starts, it will have been close to 3 years since his last NFL snap.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Has ESPN, Yahoo, CNN, Fox, Local Atlanta news picked up on this story yet?

 

[marshall88]

Petrino's number at the Virginia house does not mean Vick went to that house. Maybe Vick gave the number to someone else who left it at the house?

 

[jonessed]

Petrino's number at the Virginia house does not mean Vick went to that house. Maybe Vick gave the number to someone else who left it at the house?

"Hey coach, I'm going to give out your private number to some of my thug dog fighting buddies. You mind them giving you a call to chat fantasy football?"

 

[jonessed]

Looks like the deal on the table includes a year in prison

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/16/vick/index.html

The deal offered by federal prosecutors recommends that the Atlanta Falcons quarterback serve a year in prison, The Virginian-Pilot reported in its Thursday editions. The newspaper quotes two anonymous sources.

 

[Christo]

I'm going to continue to not point fingers but for the love of god would people stop trying to sell that Vick was an awful NFL QB or FF QB for that matter.1st QB to win a playoff game in Green Bay...that's a long rich history. I watched that game and enjoyed seeing him play.Vick has done things with the football we have not seen. That run against Minnesota was sick and he has had a lot of those plays. I would have to check the stats but he was pretty solid (top 10) as a FF QB last year.Do I agree with the way Vick chose to live his life? Of course not...BUT, most of us have made mistakes in our lives, I doubt any of us are completely free from sin or immoral acts in our lives. Vick will get a firm and proper punishment for his acts, including losing tens of millions of dollars in endorsements and the like. I understand that people like to feel special and a part of something bigger by piling on but IMO you are only making yourself look foolish.

Mistake?Sure, we've all made "mistakes" like funding and conspiring to run an illegal interstate dog fighting business. Happens to me every day. What are you gonna do?

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

Yes, MoP, where many of us have a problem is that he was (likely) involved in intentionally causing suffering to other living beings. That is far from a "mistake"...

And all told, he was an average or slightly above-average starting QB, with 2002 as his only truly great year. A great athlete does not necessarily make a great football player.

-Josh

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Here's the kicker, in our view.

I thought Vick is a quarterback?