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[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Our Shelties have always slept with us. Current one goes to work with me every day.

We have 4 dogs. The smallest one sleeps under the bed, the two largest literally sleep on top of some human body part and the 2nd smallest sleeps huddled against my wifes legs. I know, I know...

I think we can match that. Four dogs as well. The small one is 15lbs, then 50lbs, 95lbs and 140lbs. All the dogs hang out with me in the man cave (wife goes to bed way earlier) mostly until I go to bed. The 50lb dog will go back to the bedroom and sleep under the bed. When I go to bed all but the 140lb will find a place to fit on the bed. There have been occasions where all 4 find a place. Gets a little crowded then.

Nice! My smallest is 22 lbs and the largest 70 lbs so I will no longer complain. You are the champ!

 

[3C's]

Our Shelties have always slept with us. Current one goes to work with me every day.

We have 4 dogs. The smallest one sleeps under the bed, the two largest literally sleep on top of some human body part and the 2nd smallest sleeps huddled against my wifes legs. I know, I know...

I think we can match that. Four dogs as well. The small one is 15lbs, then 50lbs, 95lbs and 140lbs. All the dogs hang out with me in the man cave (wife goes to bed way earlier) mostly until I go to bed. The 50lb dog will go back to the bedroom and sleep under the bed. When I go to bed all but the 140lb will find a place to fit on the bed. There have been occasions where all 4 find a place. Gets a little crowded then.

Nice! My smallest is 22 lbs and the largest 70 lbs so I will no longer complain. You are the champ!

I'm amazed at times how small a Great Dane can make herself be.

 

[gianmarco]

I don't get the point of having dogs and keeping them outside.

Really? Google Scooby Doo.

 

[Jayrod]

And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again.

More than you? Absolutely. It isn't even close.

I don't know if you are serious or not, but even though you are pissing me off something fierce right now i'd never value an animals life over yours.

 

[McGarnicle]

And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again.

More than you? Absolutely. It isn't even close.

I don't know if you are serious or not, but even though you are pissing me off something fierce right now and never value an animals life over yours.

Then you definitely shouldn't get a dog.Mornin'!

 

[Jayrod]

And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again.

More than you? Absolutely. It isn't even close.

I don't know if you are serious or not, but even though you are pissing me off something fierce right now and never value an animals life over yours.

Then you definitely shouldn't get a dog.Mornin'!

:hi:

 

[Jayrod]

These are loaded questions.

Should a pet be treated as a member of the family like a child? Pets are members of the family whether you treat them like your children or not. You care for them and they are dependent on you to supply their needs. In that respect, they are similar to your children. Would you give them a kidney if needed, or leave them an inheritance? of course not (though some might at that). The answer to the question is not cut and dried. They are not your offspring, but they are also not simply objects for you to command and control.

Is it inhumane to keep a pet dog outside exclusively? It depends. What conditions does he live in.. what is the climate.. does he have shelter and access to water, etc? Does she receive love and attention or is she just left out there alone?

Is it inhumane to keep two dogs outside exclusively? see above

Well, I've been told that the first question is true and if you don't believe it you shouldn't own dogs. And I've been told that leaving pets outside exclusively can never work unless they are strictly working dogs and if i disagree, then I'm not fit to own dogs.

I have never been around anyone that believed either of those things, so I was wondering what the actual layout of the population was that believed those things.

Seems like I was in the minority on both questions which is what i was trying to figure out.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Wow.

Comparing me to Michael Vick. Saying you feel sorry for any dog I own.

You people really do think dogs are more valuable than people, huh?

If a dog is happiest inside with the family, bonding with people as they are genetically programmed to do, and you are relegating your dogs to the backyard where they will only sporadically receive human attention, how is it a stretch to say I feel sorry for your dogs? It's a crappy life.Also stop with the dogs are more valuable than people crap. No one is saying that. You continue to come across unbelievably stubborn and ignorant. Rarely has someone been so wrong and continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole. It's becoming a really sad and embarrassing spectacle. Best thing you could do is stop posting in both threads and let them drop.

I am stubborn, already admitted it, but so are you guys. Andyou've made some of the most idiotic posts in these two threads.

Maybe if you bothered to read the last few posts you'd see that I admitted my mistakes and have changed my mind. Congrats, despite being treated like complete crap by the majority of you, I have manned up and admitted I was wrong.

Had the conversation with the wife. We are getting one dog and will work out some indoor family arrangements for it.

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again. And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again. Maybe not you, and maybe some are joking, but there have been way too many comments for there not to be some truth to it.

This will not end well for the dog.

 

[Jayrod]

Wow.

Comparing me to Michael Vick. Saying you feel sorry for any dog I own.

You people really do think dogs are more valuable than people, huh?

If a dog is happiest inside with the family, bonding with people as they are genetically programmed to do, and you are relegating your dogs to the backyard where they will only sporadically receive human attention, how is it a stretch to say I feel sorry for your dogs? It's a crappy life.Also stop with the dogs are more valuable than people crap. No one is saying that. You continue to come across unbelievably stubborn and ignorant. Rarely has someone been so wrong and continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole. It's becoming a really sad and embarrassing spectacle. Best thing you could do is stop posting in both threads and let them drop.

I am stubborn, already admitted it, but so are you guys. Andyou've made some of the most idiotic posts in these two threads.

Maybe if you bothered to read the last few posts you'd see that I admitted my mistakes and have changed my mind. Congrats, despite being treated like complete crap by the majority of you, I have manned up and admitted I was wrong.

Had the conversation with the wife. We are getting one dog and will work out some indoor family arrangements for it.

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again. And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again. Maybe not you, and maybe some are joking, but there have been way too many comments for there not to be some truth to it.

This will not end well for the dog.

Oh OK. Thanks for the "advice".

 

[Porkchop Express]

Wow.

Comparing me to Michael Vick. Saying you feel sorry for any dog I own.

You people really do think dogs are more valuable than people, huh?

If a dog is happiest inside with the family, bonding with people as they are genetically programmed to do, and you are relegating your dogs to the backyard where they will only sporadically receive human attention, how is it a stretch to say I feel sorry for your dogs? It's a crappy life.Also stop with the dogs are more valuable than people crap. No one is saying that. You continue to come across unbelievably stubborn and ignorant. Rarely has someone been so wrong and continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole. It's becoming a really sad and embarrassing spectacle. Best thing you could do is stop posting in both threads and let them drop.

I am stubborn, already admitted it, but so are you guys. Andyou've made some of the most idiotic posts in these two threads.

Maybe if you bothered to read the last few posts you'd see that I admitted my mistakes and have changed my mind. Congrats, despite being treated like complete crap by the majority of you, I have manned up and admitted I was wrong.

Had the conversation with the wife. We are getting one dog and will work out some indoor family arrangements for it.

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again. And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again. Maybe not you, and maybe some are joking, but there have been way too many comments for there not to be some truth to it.

This will not end well for the dog.

Oh OK. Thanks for the "advice".

It wasnt advice, it was a statement.

 

[Jayrod]

Wow.

Comparing me to Michael Vick. Saying you feel sorry for any dog I own.

You people really do think dogs are more valuable than people, huh?

If a dog is happiest inside with the family, bonding with people as they are genetically programmed to do, and you are relegating your dogs to the backyard where they will only sporadically receive human attention, how is it a stretch to say I feel sorry for your dogs? It's a crappy life.Also stop with the dogs are more valuable than people crap. No one is saying that. You continue to come across unbelievably stubborn and ignorant. Rarely has someone been so wrong and continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole. It's becoming a really sad and embarrassing spectacle. Best thing you could do is stop posting in both threads and let them drop.

I am stubborn, already admitted it, but so are you guys. Andyou've made some of the most idiotic posts in these two threads.

Maybe if you bothered to read the last few posts you'd see that I admitted my mistakes and have changed my mind. Congrats, despite being treated like complete crap by the majority of you, I have manned up and admitted I was wrong.

Had the conversation with the wife. We are getting one dog and will work out some indoor family arrangements for it.

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again. And people have ABSOLUTELY been saying they value dogs more than people in this forum over and over and over again. Maybe not you, and maybe some are joking, but there have been way too many comments for there not to be some truth to it.

This will not end well for the dog.

Oh OK. Thanks for the "advice".

It wasnt advice, it was a statement.

Oh, OK. Thanks for the "statement".

 

[Ned]

I don't get the point of having dogs and keeping them outside.

Really? Google Scooby Doo.

 

[Reegus]

If jayrod and his out door dog were drowning I would step on his head to rescue his dog in a heart beat.

 

[tonydead]

"Google Marley & Me"

Seriously.

Yeah it was meant to be funny.

Read what you said again

"Dogs need to spend much more time outside than inside." If that's truly what you believe, and you think it applies to all retrievers, I think you are nuts.

What if someone works at home?

What if someone drops their dog off at an indoor daycare during the day?

Being "outside" isn't the magical cure-all you're making it out to be here, and being "inside" doesn't mean they will be stuck in a room by themselves all day.

Aaron, you can keep getting hung up on that if one sentence if you choose. But, applying absolutes like "all retrievers" and putting words in my mouth like "magical cure all" is not portraying what I was trying to say in a fair light.

I think it makes a huge difference if you have the luxury of working from home. With our last pup I made my wife quit her job for the first six months, by that time they are house trained, mastered basic training and big enough to stay outside unattended. For the next six months I only let her work part time.

I think indoor daycare during the day is fine. I wouldn't suggest using a place like PetMart as a boarding facility tho. Being locked up in a kennel with a half hour of play time a day inside resembles to much like the jail reference people here have tried to attach to outdoors. Sure your dog will survive for a week while on vacation, but, not really ideal.

And I'm glad you thought the Marley and Me reference was funny, , that's what I was shooting for. But, fwiw, it's based on a true story.

 

[Ned]

Reporting a mod is great shtick, btw.

 

[Reegus]

"Google Marley & Me"

Seriously.

Yeah it was meant to be funny.

Read what you said again

"Dogs need to spend much more time outside than inside." If that's truly what you believe, and you think it applies to all retrievers, I think you are nuts.

What if someone works at home?

What if someone drops their dog off at an indoor daycare during the day?

Being "outside" isn't the magical cure-all you're making it out to be here, and being "inside" doesn't mean they will be stuck in a room by themselves all day.

Aaron, you can keep getting hung up on that if one sentence if you choose. But, applying absolutes like "all retrievers" and putting words in my mouth like "magical cure all" is not portraying what I was trying to say in a fair light. I think it makes a huge difference if you have the luxury of working from home. With our last pup I made my wife quit her job for the first six months, by that time they are house trained, mastered basic training and big enough to stay outside unattended. For the next six months I only let her work part time.

I think indoor daycare during the day is fine. I wouldn't suggest using a place like PetMart as a boarding facility tho. Being locked up in a kennel with a half hour of play time a day inside resembles to much like the jail reference people here have tried to attach to outdoors. Sure your dog will survive for a week while on vacation, but, not really ideal.

And I'm glad you thought the Marley and Me reference was funny, , that's what I was shooting for. But, fwiw, it's based on a true story.

I don't think you meant that as a joke...kinda back tracking a little bit?

 

[tonydead]

I've read horror stories of people who leave their dogs outside on a porch while they are gone at work all day, and the dog dies due to the extreme heat with no shade.

Pretty sure being inside with some AC would be better for them.

Neglect is neglect regardless of being outside or in.

 

[AcerFC]

Obviously people can have differing opinions, but the personal attacks are a little over the top, no?

Just saying

 

[tonydead]

I don't think you meant that as a joke...kinda back tracking a little bit?

No, it's a true story based on Jon Grogran's memoir. And just reflects the fact that labs can be troublesome and require a lot of commitment. It was meant as a joke because the more serious issues are real psychological issues.

 

[bigbottom]

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again.

To be fair, you asked for advice, you received advice, and you are now making more informed decisions with that advice in hand. Even with the name calling back and forth (which you participated in as much as anyone), it seems like the exercise was a valuable one to you.

 

[tonydead]

Jayrod, to your original point. If you are considering a working dog it's just fine to let most breeds be outdoor dogs exclusively. Just learn what each breed needs for severe weather etc. Outside doesn't equal neglect. Neglect equals neglect. I agree it's a topic for debate and every situation is different, but, I'm in the camp that most are happier the more time they can spend outside. Be warned that working dogs require a lot of attention and a lot of time. So if you are thinking outside dog means dogs that can take care of and entertain themselves, it's just the opposite. If you don't have the time to invest in a working dog I'd suggest you find a nice little indoor exclusive dog that can be around the family when you are home for all the reasons people have listed for keeping dogs inside. Or better yet just buy one of those super tiny dogs you can just carry round in your purse.

And screw you for having me on ignore you jesus freak.

 

[tonydead]

I don't get the point of having dogs and keeping them outside.

Do you invite all 12 sled dogs into the igloo?

 

[comfortably numb]

Jayrod, to your original point. If you are considering a working dog it's just fine to let most breeds be outdoor dogs exclusively. Just learn what each breed needs for severe weather etc. Outside doesn't equal neglect. Neglect equals neglect. I agree it's a topic for debate and every situation is different, but, I'm in the camp that most are happier the more time they can spend outside. Be warned that working dogs require a lot of attention and a lot of time. So if you are thinking outside dog means dogs that can take care of and entertain themselves, it's just the opposite. If you don't have the time to invest in a working dog I'd suggest you find a nice little indoor exclusive dog that can be around the family when you are home for all the reasons people have listed for keeping dogs inside. Or better yet just buy one of those super tiny dogs you can just carry round in your purse.

And screw you for having me on ignore you jesus freak.

If you leave the door open to your house at night my guess is the dog would choose to come in and hang with you.

 

[Jayrod]

You guys are still complete pricks and I'll never bother to ask this forum for advice again.

To be fair, you asked for advice, you received advice, and you are now making more informed decisions with that advice in hand. Even with the name calling back and forth (which you participated in as much as anyone), it seems like the exercise was a valuable one to you.

Yeah....I was way too wound up at that point.

 

[tonydead]

Jayrod, to your original point. If you are considering a working dog it's just fine to let most breeds be outdoor dogs exclusively. Just learn what each breed needs for severe weather etc. Outside doesn't equal neglect. Neglect equals neglect. I agree it's a topic for debate and every situation is different, but, I'm in the camp that most are happier the more time they can spend outside. Be warned that working dogs require a lot of attention and a lot of time. So if you are thinking outside dog means dogs that can take care of and entertain themselves, it's just the opposite. If you don't have the time to invest in a working dog I'd suggest you find a nice little indoor exclusive dog that can be around the family when you are home for all the reasons people have listed for keeping dogs inside. Or better yet just buy one of those super tiny dogs you can just carry round in your purse.

And screw you for having me on ignore you jesus freak.

If you leave the door open to your house at night my guess is the dog would choose to come in and hang with you.

I do. As I stated before my 3 year old sleeps in our bed. Our 14 year old prefers to stay outside. So you are half right on their preference for where they like to sleep, but, that wasn't what I meant was it: Do you think my dogs are happier inside watching TV or outside bird hunting?

 

[pollardsvision]

Jayrod, to your original point. If you are considering a working dog it's just fine to let most breeds be outdoor dogs exclusively. Just learn what each breed needs for severe weather etc. Outside doesn't equal neglect. Neglect equals neglect. I agree it's a topic for debate and every situation is different, but, I'm in the camp that most are happier the more time they can spend outside. Be warned that working dogs require a lot of attention and a lot of time. So if you are thinking outside dog means dogs that can take care of and entertain themselves, it's just the opposite. If you don't have the time to invest in a working dog I'd suggest you find a nice little indoor exclusive dog that can be around the family when you are home for all the reasons people have listed for keeping dogs inside. Or better yet just buy one of those super tiny dogs you can just carry round in your purse.

And screw you for having me on ignore you jesus freak.

If you leave the door open to your house at night my guess is the dog would choose to come in and hang with you.

I do. As I stated before my 3 year old sleeps in our bed. Our 14 year old prefers to stay outside. So you are half right on their preference for where they like to sleep, but, that wasn't what I meant was it: Do you think my dogs are happier inside watching TV or outside bird hunting?

All dogs are different, but we have a doberman in a townhouse. About every 2-3 weeks, we take him out to run free at my FIL's, and go other places regularly where he can run free or have a fenced in yard. You'd think a cooped up doberman would want to spend every waking moment outside, but he generally still wants to be inside. He wants to go outside if that's where the people are either riding 4-wheelers to chase or throwing a frisbee for him to fetch or whatever. He goes in and out a lot, but generally wants to stay near where the people are. FIL has 2 labs that would only go outside to piss if he'd let them stay inside all day/night. They have 30+ acres to roam. They'll catch an afternoon adventure every now and then, but those are less and less as they get older (about 7 now).

For Jayrod's situation, I'd think most dogs would get bored of a half-acre and eventually prefer to be inside almost all the time.