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PFT: Changes coming to Skins front office? (1 Viewer)

BigTex

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POSTED 9:28 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:44 a.m. EDT, April 27, 2007

VINNY TWISTING IN THE WIND?

We reported several weeks ago that big changes could be coming to the Redskins front office after the draft, but there were no specifics as to who might stay and who might go.

The current scuttlebutt in league circles is that V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato could be out as soon as right after the draft, and as late as the end of the season -- if the team doesn't win at least 10 games in 2007.

Cerrato was fired by the Redskins during the Marty Schottenheimer era, but was brought back by owner Daniel Snyder after Schottenheimer was cut loose after only one season.

Some league insiders thought that current coach Joe Gibbs would have run Cerrato off by now, but Vinny has made it through three seasons under the Hall-of-Famer.

Frankly, we're not sure why Cerrato should be held accountable for anything, since the widespread belief is that Snyder and Gibbs are the ones calling the shots.
Washingtonpost
Front Office Rumblings

There are lot of rumors floating around out there right now about the Redskins front office. Some NFL people think The Snyder might finally cut the cord with Uncle Junior/Johnny Drama/Vinny C., and several executives I spoke to from other clubs were just as adamant that he would do no such thing.

I have heard the morale of the Skins scouts is a low, some are fearing for the future and wonder if a major shake-up might be afoot after the draft. There was also apparently an item on profootballtalk.com a few weeks back, speculating that the Skins would go Tony Soprano on their scouts and personnel guys after the draft that sent ripple waves of consternation through the corridors of Redskins Park from what I gather.

To that end, I know of at least one individual who was asked - through an agent - if he might have interest in personnel position of some sort with the Redskins. I have also heard that there is a sense among Washington's pro and amateur scouts that heads might roll. So I gathered a bunch of information to this end over the last few weeks and finally ran it up the flagpole at Redskins Park Monday.

After running it by the organization I was told that the team has no such plans. But it wasn't exactly the most emphatic denial of all time, and I am not entirely sold that at least a position or two in the front office won't open up after the draft. Some in league circles have said that Vinny has told people that he is a little worried about his job security; others say it'll never happen, he's The Snyder's boy 'til the end. One person who used to a key figure in the Skins front office believed The Owner is finally ready to put personal bias aside and get a new head of personnel. Several people who work in Redskins Park said they have never heard a word about chucking Vinny or any scouts in May.

Again, take it all for what it's worth, as no one is asserting anything definite and the Skins are saying no such changes are planned.

I also spoke to a few individuals who, if the Redskins really were seeking a GM/VP of football ops type, would surely be at the top of their list of candidates, and neither heard a thing from the Skins. They were under contract, and perfectly happy where they were, but these are guys who, if the team was really going to go in this direction and were conducting a search, would have to be prime candidates. Also spoke to a few agents who represent lots of GMs/personnel guys, and they had not heard a thing about the Skins actually going in a new direction and ending the Uncle Junior Era.

So, what do I think will take place? Well, I still could see them doing something along the lines of a adding a talented, young, scouting guru from another organization and giving him a promotion here to beef things up. Would they consider a new sidekick to Vinny - currently Louis Riddick - and try to add to the mix? I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't even rule them out putting a new face near the top of the college scouting pyramid.

But that's just me guessing based on the scuttlebutt I've heard. Bottom line is there are some edgy people in these parts, which is the way it goes after a 5-11 season with Super Bowl operations. Of course, I also think this is all farcical. The problems in this organization and its lack of a proven personnel leader have been pointed out at great length, and until they correct that flaw I don't expect to see a major turnaround.

Adding some scouts or getting rid of some guys who, at the end of the day, have no voice in actually pulling the trigger as Coach Joe/The Snyder/Uncle Junior call the shots, would be window dressing. Scouts are the lifeblood of any organization, under-paid and over-looked foot soldiers who log crazy hours, live out of a suitcase and get no glory (as a beat schlub myself how could I not relate?). I empathize with their plight and I know the Skins have some very competent scouts in their ranks; it's the personnel paradigm that's awry.

In an organization as top-heavy as this, where glitz and splash have overwhelmed sound thought for so long, could you really blame the scouts of all people? But they are also the first guys to end up taking a bullet when times are tough, hence the worries.
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Washingtonpost

Front Office Rumblings
That column is from a credible source, but it's over a month old and Jason LaCanfora has not updated talk of front-office firings since then. After the draft is when he'd be likely to do so. I've really heard nothing since then.The PFT blurb is newer, from today I think, so perhaps Florio has heard something more recent.

 
Well to be honest, Vinnie Cerrato is pretty much the "special education" section of NFL personnel people.

 
Well to be honest, Vinnie Cerrato is pretty much the "special education" section of NFL personnel people.
I completely disagree and find it shocking that that tool Florio can put out any article or snip that makes you form that conclusion.Please list the incorrect moves that he made, not Snyder or Gibbs. Thanks I'll hang up and listen
 
BigTex said:
POSTED 9:28 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:44 a.m. EDT, April 27, 2007

VINNY TWISTING IN THE WIND?

We reported several weeks ago that big changes could be coming to the Redskins front office after the draft, but there were no specifics as to who might stay and who might go.

The current scuttlebutt in league circles is that V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato could be out as soon as right after the draft, and as late as the end of the season -- if the team doesn't win at least 10 games in 2007.

Cerrato was fired by the Redskins during the Marty Schottenheimer era, but was brought back by owner Daniel Snyder after Schottenheimer was cut loose after only one season.

Some league insiders thought that current coach Joe Gibbs would have run Cerrato off by now, but Vinny has made it through three seasons under the Hall-of-Famer.

Frankly, we're not sure why Cerrato should be held accountable for anything, since the widespread belief is that Snyder and Gibbs are the ones calling the shots.
Washingtonpost
Front Office Rumblings

There are lot of rumors floating around out there right now about the Redskins front office. Some NFL people think The Snyder might finally cut the cord with Uncle Junior/Johnny Drama/Vinny C., and several executives I spoke to from other clubs were just as adamant that he would do no such thing.

I have heard the morale of the Skins scouts is a low, some are fearing for the future and wonder if a major shake-up might be afoot after the draft. There was also apparently an item on profootballtalk.com a few weeks back, speculating that the Skins would go Tony Soprano on their scouts and personnel guys after the draft that sent ripple waves of consternation through the corridors of Redskins Park from what I gather.

To that end, I know of at least one individual who was asked - through an agent - if he might have interest in personnel position of some sort with the Redskins. I have also heard that there is a sense among Washington's pro and amateur scouts that heads might roll. So I gathered a bunch of information to this end over the last few weeks and finally ran it up the flagpole at Redskins Park Monday.

After running it by the organization I was told that the team has no such plans. But it wasn't exactly the most emphatic denial of all time, and I am not entirely sold that at least a position or two in the front office won't open up after the draft. Some in league circles have said that Vinny has told people that he is a little worried about his job security; others say it'll never happen, he's The Snyder's boy 'til the end. One person who used to a key figure in the Skins front office believed The Owner is finally ready to put personal bias aside and get a new head of personnel. Several people who work in Redskins Park said they have never heard a word about chucking Vinny or any scouts in May.

Again, take it all for what it's worth, as no one is asserting anything definite and the Skins are saying no such changes are planned.

I also spoke to a few individuals who, if the Redskins really were seeking a GM/VP of football ops type, would surely be at the top of their list of candidates, and neither heard a thing from the Skins. They were under contract, and perfectly happy where they were, but these are guys who, if the team was really going to go in this direction and were conducting a search, would have to be prime candidates. Also spoke to a few agents who represent lots of GMs/personnel guys, and they had not heard a thing about the Skins actually going in a new direction and ending the Uncle Junior Era.

So, what do I think will take place? Well, I still could see them doing something along the lines of a adding a talented, young, scouting guru from another organization and giving him a promotion here to beef things up. Would they consider a new sidekick to Vinny - currently Louis Riddick - and try to add to the mix? I wouldn't rule it out. I wouldn't even rule them out putting a new face near the top of the college scouting pyramid.

But that's just me guessing based on the scuttlebutt I've heard. Bottom line is there are some edgy people in these parts, which is the way it goes after a 5-11 season with Super Bowl operations. Of course, I also think this is all farcical. The problems in this organization and its lack of a proven personnel leader have been pointed out at great length, and until they correct that flaw I don't expect to see a major turnaround.

Adding some scouts or getting rid of some guys who, at the end of the day, have no voice in actually pulling the trigger as Coach Joe/The Snyder/Uncle Junior call the shots, would be window dressing. Scouts are the lifeblood of any organization, under-paid and over-looked foot soldiers who log crazy hours, live out of a suitcase and get no glory (as a beat schlub myself how could I not relate?). I empathize with their plight and I know the Skins have some very competent scouts in their ranks; it's the personnel paradigm that's awry.

In an organization as top-heavy as this, where glitz and splash have overwhelmed sound thought for so long, could you really blame the scouts of all people? But they are also the first guys to end up taking a bullet when times are tough, hence the worries.
Paging redman and fatness, Paging redman and fatness.
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Bri said:
fatness said:
Well to be honest, Vinnie Cerrato is pretty much the "special education" section of NFL personnel people.
I completely disagree and find it shocking that that tool Florio can put out any article or snip that makes you form that conclusion.Please list the incorrect moves that he made, not Snyder or Gibbs. Thanks I'll hang up and listen
You mean like the Walmart shopping spree that passed for team building back in 2000? I think if anyone is overestimated in terms of his decisionmaking it's Snyder. Sure, he's been involved, but I think he's gotten some terrible advice over the years from Vinny (and, going back to the beginning of his tenure, Pepper Rogers).
 
Bri said:
fatness said:
Well to be honest, Vinnie Cerrato is pretty much the "special education" section of NFL personnel people.
I completely disagree and find it shocking that that tool Florio can put out any article or snip that makes you form that conclusion.Please list the incorrect moves that he made, not Snyder or Gibbs.

Thanks I'll hang up and listen
You mean like the Walmart shopping spree that passed for team building back in 2000?
You mean Snyder's 100 million dollar team that made people compare him to Steinbrenner.There's about 100,000 articles on the web like this

http://runningredskins.blogspot.com/2007/0...w-attitude.html

feel free to google and read up :thumbup:

 
The Redskins don't have anyone above the scout level who is good at evaluating personnel and making decisions. 3 people participate in that process: Snyder, Cerrato, and Gibbs. Two of those guys have other jobs, though. Snyder is the "owner". Gibbs is the "head coach". They at least pull some weight elsewhere on the team.

Cerrato is the personnel guy. No other job.

He puts together information on players and says "yes" to what the other 2 want. While that's an admirable skill for retaining a job, that's all it is. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He doesn't dispute those making bad personnel decisions.

What is it you think he does well, Bri? Besides play racketball with Dan Snyder?

 
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He puts together information on players and says "yes" to what the other 2 want. While that's an admirable skill for retaining a job, that's all it is. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He doesn't dispute those making bad personnel decisions.
This is contradictory. Either he's making decisions and is to blame or he isn't.
 
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And dear, I wonder if you find love

An optical illusion, too?

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I dont know if its cloudy or bright

cause I only have eyes for you, dear

The moon may be high

But I cant see a thing in the sky

cause I only have eyes for you.

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But they all disappear from view

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He puts together information on players and says "yes" to what the other 2 want. While that's an admirable skill for retaining a job, that's all it is. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He doesn't dispute those making bad personnel decisions.
This is contradictory. Either he's making decisions and is to blame or he isn't.
No, it's not. The problem is that he's a yes-man, in a job that requires a more active role in decisions. He contributes nothing to the franchise.
 
He puts together information on players and says "yes" to what the other 2 want. While that's an admirable skill for retaining a job, that's all it is. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He doesn't dispute those making bad personnel decisions.
This is contradictory. Either he's making decisions and is to blame or he isn't.
No, it's not. The problem is that he's a yes-man, in a job that requires a more active role in decisions. He contributes nothing to the franchise.
Exactly. He's an enabler for Snyder. Bri, I think you're one of many who seem to want to make Snyder a villain, for reasons that have always been unclear to me. I'm sure Snyder is not someone I'd want to work for and I'm sure he's a total #####. I'm equally certain however that he's not pulling all the strings by himself. His biggest problem is that he's hired lousy people to handle his football operations and, until he hired Gibbs, his coaching too. This needs to change.

 

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