Philip Rivers vs. Aaron Rodgers (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

These two are VERY close in my mind. I keep going back and forth on them every day.

 

[joffer]

Rodgers all day. i think i'd rather have Rodgers than Manning

 

[Raider Nation]

Rodgers all day. i think i'd rather have Rodgers than Manning

I don't disagree. I said in Aaron's Player Spotlight thread that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the top-ranked QB. He has so many friggin weapons and is playing at such a high level. OTOH, I think San Diego will often struggle trying to run the ball, so everything will go through Rivers. He also has a ton of weapons and his accuracy is phenomenal. Playing in San Diego weather doesn't hurt either.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

One thing about Rodgers - he's only played one year and only won 6 games. He could still be Scott Mitchell.

 

[Raider Nation]

One thing about Rodgers - he's only played one year and only won 6 games. He could still be Scott Mitchell.

Anything is possible, but man... I don't think so. He looks like a killer to me. I'd be more worried about an injury than him sucking.

 

[shredhead]

Rodgers all day. i think i'd rather have Rodgers than Manning

I don't disagree. I said in Aaron's Player Spotlight thread that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the top-ranked QB. He has so many friggin weapons and is playing at such a high level. OTOH, I think San Diego will often struggle trying to run the ball, so everything will go through Rivers. He also has a ton of weapons and his accuracy is phenomenal. Playing in San Diego weather doesn't hurt either.

I disagree with the bolded part. Even if you're down on LT this year, Sproles and company will be a force to be reckoned with. San Diego gets to play your Raiders along with my Broncos twice, not to mention the Chefs. There is going to be quite a bit of the run game grinding out the clock at the end of games in Charger land this year. That may or may not affect Rivers' stats this year. I'd take Rodgers in the late 3rd or 4th round this year. Rivers, I'd probably wait until the 5th.

 

[Raider Nation]

Rodgers all day. i think i'd rather have Rodgers than Manning

I don't disagree. I said in Aaron's Player Spotlight thread that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the top-ranked QB. He has so many friggin weapons and is playing at such a high level. OTOH, I think San Diego will often struggle trying to run the ball, so everything will go through Rivers. He also has a ton of weapons and his accuracy is phenomenal. Playing in San Diego weather doesn't hurt either.

I disagree with the bolded part. Even if you're down on LT this year, Sproles and company will be a force to be reckoned with. San Diego gets to play your Raiders along with my Broncos twice, not to mention the Chefs. There is going to be quite a bit of the run game grinding out the clock at the end of games in Charger land this year. That may or may not affect Rivers' stats this year. I'd take Rodgers in the late 3rd or 4th round this year. Rivers, I'd probably wait until the 5th.

I don't know if you saw either of their first two preseason games (I know, I know.... preseason), but the Bolts running game when the 1's were on the field was nothing short of pathetic in both games.... vs. Seattle and Arizona, mind you. The O-line did not move anyone off the ball. IF that doesn't improve in the regular season, Mr. Rivers will be busier than ever.

 

[thehornet]

I wasnt paying attention and selected Rivers by accident. Noticed it just as i pressed OK. Im really pissed because I really like Rodgers much more. The poll is wrong!! haha....

 

[Raider Nation]

Wow, honestly didn't think the poll would be this lopsided. Very interesting. I like Rodgers better, but just by a hair.

 

[shredhead]

Rodgers all day. i think i'd rather have Rodgers than Manning

I don't disagree. I said in Aaron's Player Spotlight thread that I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the top-ranked QB. He has so many friggin weapons and is playing at such a high level. OTOH, I think San Diego will often struggle trying to run the ball, so everything will go through Rivers. He also has a ton of weapons and his accuracy is phenomenal. Playing in San Diego weather doesn't hurt either.

I disagree with the bolded part. Even if you're down on LT this year, Sproles and company will be a force to be reckoned with. San Diego gets to play your Raiders along with my Broncos twice, not to mention the Chefs. There is going to be quite a bit of the run game grinding out the clock at the end of games in Charger land this year. That may or may not affect Rivers' stats this year. I'd take Rodgers in the late 3rd or 4th round this year. Rivers, I'd probably wait until the 5th.

I don't know if you saw either of their first two preseason games (I know, I know.... preseason), but the Bolts running game when the 1's were on the field was nothing short of pathetic in both games.... vs. Seattle and Arizona, mind you. The O-line did not move anyone off the ball. IF that doesn't improve in the regular season, Mr. Rivers will be busier than ever.

That's a good point. I was all set to take LT in the late first in my draft Saturday, but after watching him I decided to go with DeAngelo instead. I don't know, maybe it's just a gut feeling, I just like Rodgers a little better this year, but anyone would be just fine with either one. Maybe I'm being influenced by my wife the cheesehead fan.

 

[Mene]

Wow, honestly didn't think the poll would be this lopsided. Very interesting. I like Rodgers better, but just by a hair.

I'd bet most of the Rodgers votes are just by a hair. I voted Rodgers both ways, but I also think it's damn close, just something about Rodgers I like... might be because I see him a lot more.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Surprised this is so one sided. But then again Philip Rivers is probably the most underrated player on these boards and has been for a couple years now.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers. They're not that far apart, but Rodgers has a slight edge. Rivers has December weather and an easier playoff schedule on his side IMO, Rodgers has better weapons and a better situation, should have more attempts.

 

[Easy Money]

voted coin flip. will say this my plan this year has been to target one of either of these guys in all my leagues and am feeling really good about doing so. can't go wrong with either one of them.

 

[Raider Nation]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers.

Right. Still completely stunned at the margin Rodgers is winning by though.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers. They're not that far apart, but Rodgers has a slight edge. Rivers has December weather and an easier playoff schedule on his side IMO, Rodgers has better weapons and a better situation, should have more attempts.

Really? Maybe outside, but even outside it's close, IMO. In the backfield and in the middle, Rivers' weapons by a large magin, IMO.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Coin flip is accurate. I am biased to say Rodgers, but here is my thinking:

- From a redraft perspective, I think San Diego "wants" to run more than Green Bay. Will probably have more runaway games vs. bad AFC West defenses

- esp. if pass TDs are worth less than 6 in your league, Rodgers's greater chance to run some in gives him a small boost

- From a dynasty perspective, Rodgers seems to have more up-and-coming targets in Jones, Nelson, Finley than Rivers does. Of course something like this can change real fast.

 

[Tau837]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers. They're not that far apart, but Rodgers has a slight edge. Rivers has December weather and an easier playoff schedule on his side IMO, Rodgers has better weapons and a better situation, should have more attempts.

Agree with all of this except Rodgers having better weapons.JenningsDriverJonesNelsonFinleyGrantJacksonvs.JacksonChambersFloydNaaneeGatesTomlinsonSprolesIMO Green Bay's WRs are better, though probably not as much better as most people think. And San Diego's TE and RBs are better receiving weapons. If Green Bay does have an edge, it is a pretty small edge.

 

[spider321]

Rivers' career QB rating of 92.9 is tied for 4th among active QB's with Tom Brady.

 

[SSOG]

Rodgers in redraft because I think his defense is worse this year. Rivers in Dynasty because I think he's a better QB.

 

[spider321]

I know you people don't actually think Rodgers is a better QB.

Surely you are basing these votes on the fact that Rodgers has better receivers.

Right?!?!

 

[Steelfan7]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers. They're not that far apart, but Rodgers has a slight edge. Rivers has December weather and an easier playoff schedule on his side IMO, Rodgers has better weapons and a better situation, should have more attempts.

Agree with all of this except Rodgers having better weapons.JenningsDriverJonesNelsonFinleyGrantJacksonvs.JacksonChambersFloydNaaneeGatesTomlinsonSprolesIMO Green Bay's WRs are better, though probably not as much better as most people think. And San Diego's TE and RBs are better receiving weapons. If Green Bay does have an edge, it is a pretty small edge.

The qbs are very close, but you are out of your mind if you think SD wr are even in the same ballpark as GB's.

 

[djcolts]

Surprised this is so one sided. But then again Philip Rivers is probably the most underrated player on these boards and has been for a couple years now.

My vote for Rodgers has nothing to do with Rivers' talent. I don't see the Chargers being an 8-8 team again that needs to throw all the time to stay in games this season.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Fantasy: Rodgers

Real Life: Rivers

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Rodgers will be gone by the 5th round; Rivers might not be.

Rodgers will likely do better this year than last year; Rivers likely will do worse than last year.

I still take Manning over Rodgers, but the breaks are "clearly" Brady, Brees & Manning / Rodgers / Rivers / Other.

 

[tdmills]

One thing about Rodgers - he's only played one year and only won 6 games. He could still be Scott Mitchell.

I would like a larger sample size before I drink this cool-aid too.But most in the shark pool already have drank a keg-full.....he is destroying this poll and destroyed the cutler one as well.Which QB would you want over Rodgers?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Just because the poll is a blowout doesn't mean Rodgers>>>>>>>Rivers. They're not that far apart, but Rodgers has a slight edge. Rivers has December weather and an easier playoff schedule on his side IMO, Rodgers has better weapons and a better situation, should have more attempts.

Are Rodgers weapons really that much better? Everyone keeps saying this, but I think SD has the better weapons with LT and Sproles out of the backfield to catch balls along with Gates and some athletic receivers. Yes, Jennings is the best of the bunch and Driver and co are good, but the TE advantage is huge and the threat of run and catch out of the backfield makes throwing in SD at least as good.I voted Rodgers anyway because I think he is better, but I have to say that as a QB it is close but maybe easier to throw in SD than GB taking personnel into account. When you add weather and schedule it is even easier

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Did anyone mention that he's injury-prone?

 

[Bills_Fan11]

I like Rivers due to his health history, the weather, and the AFC West. And he's always available later to boot.

That's hard to say because Rodgers seems so much more likeable.

 

[gump]

Did anyone mention that he's injury-prone?

I thought both QB's are considered very tough.Rodgers played thru a shoulder issue last year right?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Darn right.

 

[sho nuff]

Just based on who I think will score more FF. Rodgers.

Value wise...go Rivers. In all liklihood you get him a bit later and puts up similar numbers based on that value.

And yes...people, GB's WRs are that much better than SDs.

Yes...Sproles and LT are better than GB's backs as far as receiving (but GB does not throw to their backs all that often anymore).

Gates > Finley (though, as others are seeing, watch out for this kid...not even close to Gates...but he will be good).

 

[The Kansas Comet]

For redraft, I voted Rodgers. Norv traditionally likes to run the ball, and the Charger defense shouldn't be as bad as they were last season, which, in my opinion, means that Rivers won't have as many attempts this year. Plus the AFC West defenses are not the stoutest against the run, as mentioned by shredhead. Also, Rodgers will play against the Vikings, who are much better against the run than the pass, the Bears, who do not have a good pass D, and the Lions, who have been shaky all the way around.

I could also see the Chargers clinching the AFC West a few weeks early, and depending on how things go, having their playoff seeding set before Week 17, while I expect the Packers to be in a tough playoff fight until the end of the season. For leagues that play in Week 17 (such as mine), that is something to consider as well.

All that said, I would be happy with either player. Rivers did go a round earlier than Rodgers in one of my 12-team leagues last Sunday, for what it's worth.

 

[puckalicious]

One thing about Rodgers - he's only played one year and only won 6 games. He could still be Scott Mitchell.

I would like a larger sample size before I drink this cool-aid too.But most in the shark pool already have drank a keg-full.....he is destroying this poll and destroyed the cutler one as well.

Which QB would you want over Rodgers?

I would like to see any study that shows the number of games a TEAM wins has any correlation whatsoever to the QB's fantasy ranking. By your measure did Brees really suck bad last year?BTW, I'm not disagreeing that he could be Scott Mitchell, but Mitchell only performed well when his teams were doing well. Rodgers has already shown to be able to perform well under pressure on a mediocre team.

 

[Tau837]

For redraft, I voted Rodgers. Norv traditionally likes to run the ball, and the Charger defense shouldn't be as bad as they were last season, which, in my opinion, means that Rivers won't have as many attempts this year. Plus the AFC West defenses are not the stoutest against the run, as mentioned by shredhead. Also, Rodgers will play against the Vikings, who are much better against the run than the pass, the Bears, who do not have a good pass D, and the Lions, who have been shaky all the way around.

I could also see the Chargers clinching the AFC West a few weeks early, and depending on how things go, having their playoff seeding set before Week 17, while I expect the Packers to be in a tough playoff fight until the end of the season. For leagues that play in Week 17 (such as mine), that is something to consider as well.

All that said, I would be happy with either player. Rivers did go a round earlier than Rodgers in one of my 12-team leagues last Sunday, for what it's worth.

I don't disagree with much of your post, but on the passing attempts, here are San Diego's passing attempts since Rivers became the starter:2006 - 466 (Marty)

2007 - 471 (Norv)

2008 - 478 (Norv)

It's not like he had a lot more attempts last year than in previous years. And in contrast to 2006 & 2007, Tomlinson is on the decline and the Chargers passing game is better than it has been since Fouts was playing. If anything, the expected trend should be for more passing attempts.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

I prefer Rodgers in both redraft and dynasty leagues. I honestly can't see why anyone would choose differently.

 

[SSOG]

I prefer Rodgers in both redraft and dynasty leagues. I honestly can't see why anyone would choose differently.

Because Rivers is a more talented QB and in dynasty talent usually wins out.

 

[PahtyTom]

I prefer Rodgers in both redraft and dynasty leagues. I honestly can't see why anyone would choose differently.

Oh c'mon

 

[tonka]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

 

[gump]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

 

[jwinston2]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

 

[unckeyherb]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

 

[tommyGunZ]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

Not my definition. Yours may vary.

 

[None_More_Black]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

Not my definition. Yours may vary.

I will take the drinker and the guy who curses over the guy who goes over and taunts the other teams bench. Classless.

 

[Shaun]

Wow, I can't believe I'm in the minority, have you all seen Phillip Rivers' passing schedule this season? Cake...

 

[tdmills]

I prefer Rodgers in both redraft and dynasty leagues. I honestly can't see why anyone would choose differently.

How about Rivers has a larger sample size than one season

 

[Gr00vus]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

Not my definition. Yours may vary.

I will take the drinker and the guy who curses over the guy who goes over and taunts the other teams bench. Classless.

Well, this thread got stupid in a hurry, didn't it?I'd take Rogers over Rivers. The Chargers' run game will be better than the Packers, the Packers will be in more close games and/or playing behind more often than the Chargers.

 

[dirtywaters20]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

Not my definition. Yours may vary.

I will take the drinker and the guy who curses over the guy who goes over and taunts the other teams bench. Classless.

I wish you were AJ Smith & I was Joe Banner. I would promptly buy McNabb a case of Red Stripe & make him repeatedly watch Superbad.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I just traded Rivers for Rodgers straight up in my league. I can't stand how much of a d-bag Rivers seems to be.

The guy is married to his high school sweetheart, has 3 kids, and doesn't drink or curse. He's extremely religious, and everyone who has ever coached him says he's a natural leader. Yet because of an ESPN clip showing him talking trash people think he's a d-bag? Boggles the mind.

isn't that the definition of doochebag?

Not my definition. Yours may vary.

I will take the drinker and the guy who curses over the guy who goes over and taunts the other teams bench. Classless.

Link? I've watched every Charger game Rivers has ever played, and I've never seen this.