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Phillips Out - Garrett In; Could it happen this year? (1 Viewer)

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Seems like adversity has hit the Cowboys as opposed to last year when they were in large part able to ride a wave of positive emotion, having escaped the dreaded and mean Bill Parcells.

But the cuddly Wade Phillips seems to have been contagious and now dare we say it, the Cowboys look a little soft.

It's a long shot, but since the heir apparent to the Cowboys HC position is in-house, do you think Jones would make the move? Having an in-house candidate take over permanently would not be so disruptive. All the systems would stay in place, but perhaps Garrett would bring some bite back to the Cowboys who now appear to be in a dangerous predicament.

Thoughts?

 
It's gonna get ugly in big D, and I for one, can't wait for it. And the longer they keep Wade, the better -- no way can he handle it.
Really? Why? :bye:
Haters that's why. Instead of routing for his team he would rather jump on a team that is struggling and to his surprise will make a a nice comeback this year. Have a good time while you can. Wade will be gone after this season no matter what happens IMO.
 
I think his record is 17-5. He's not getting fired anytime soon this season. After this off season it's highly possible if Jerry feels the team is not responding but it's not like Garrets offense exactly looks in sync this year either.

 
It's gonna get ugly in big D, and I for one, can't wait for it. And the longer they keep Wade, the better -- no way can he handle it.
Really? Why? :football:
Haters that's why. Instead of routing for his team he would rather jump on a team that is struggling and to his surprise will make a a nice comeback this year. Have a good time while you can. Wade will be gone after this season no matter what happens IMO.
Nah, I prefer to ROOT for my team, but feel free to put words in my mouth. Next time though, try spelling them correctly, Skippy.
 
If we have a few more ugly losses like this latest (STL), then I could see it happening at some point during the

season. If they right the ship and still remain competitive, I can see them making the switch after the season.

Anything less than the playoffs means Phillips is gone IMO. Heck, he was brought in to get them over the playoff

hump, and losing again in their first playoff game could certainly spell DOOM for him...

 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
 
I think it's time to end the Wade Phillips era. The St Louis game was a disgusting display of gutless Football.

 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
 
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Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
Romo had a chance to lead yesterday. He had a chance to put himself on the line for his team. He did not do so. Contrast that to Aaron Rodgers. The Packers have had at least as many injuries as the Cowboys now have. His injury is every bit as bad as Romos from an effectiveness standpoint. He went out, suffered the losses manfully and his team mates started commenting on their respect for their leader. He then got it turned around. The Packers were moments away from a wasted season, just as the Cowboys are now. Leadership may have saved the Packers. Lack of leadership seems to be dooming the Cowboys.
 
They need Bill Cowher. They need somebody to kick ### and take names. Jones chased the wrong talent last week. He sould have been butressing his secondary and making Cowher an offer he couldn't refuse.

 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
The biggest problem (aside from the attitude and coaching) is that while Romo is a fine a QB, he also is not a "leader". I suspect they will improve towards the end of the year and make a good run at a Wild Card card spot. They might even get in into the playoffs, but this team is not Championship caliber.There is no positive identity for this club, right now they aren't known for anything positive. I am just sick today.
 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
The biggest problem (aside from the attitude and coaching) is that while Romo is a fine a QB, he also is not a "leader". I suspect they will improve towards the end of the year and make a good run at a Wild Card card spot. They might even get in into the playoffs, but this team is not Championship caliber.There is no positive identity for this club, right now they aren't known for anything positive. I am just sick today.
I agree Romo is a rare talent. I think the Cowboys should let him play. Even if he struggles he mill gain respect. I think they need to have this be his team, not Jerry's not T.O.'s, but his. He should be supported by Witten, Barber, Ware and the vets. They should stop with the T.O. ratio. This team can yet have a good year, but they desperately need to win going into their bye and to get healthier. They need to rally around something. If this team goes into their bye with a losing streak i don't see them being able to shake their current funk. If they go into the bye with a win, and then come out with Neuman coming back, with Romo nearing a return to full effectiveness, and with some more positive news on the injury front they could yet right this ship.
 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
The biggest problem (aside from the attitude and coaching) is that while Romo is a fine a QB, he also is not a "leader". I suspect they will improve towards the end of the year and make a good run at a Wild Card card spot. They might even get in into the playoffs, but this team is not Championship caliber.There is no positive identity for this club, right now they aren't known for anything positive. I am just sick today.
:unsure: (except for the sick part ;) )
 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
The biggest problem (aside from the attitude and coaching) is that while Romo is a fine a QB, he also is not a "leader". I suspect they will improve towards the end of the year and make a good run at a Wild Card card spot. They might even get in into the playoffs, but this team is not Championship caliber.There is no positive identity for this club, right now they aren't known for anything positive. I am just sick today.
I agree Romo is a rare talent. I think the Cowboys should let him play. Even if he struggles he mill gain respect. I think they need to have this be his team, not Jerry's not T.O.'s, but his. He should be supported by Witten, Barber, Ware and the vets. They should stop with the T.O. ratio. This team can yet have a good year, but they desperately need to win going into their bye and to get healthier. They need to rally around something. If this team goes into their bye with a losing streak i don't see them being able to shake their current funk. If they go into the bye with a win, and then come out with Neuman coming back, with Romo nearing a return to full effectiveness, and with some more positive news on the injury front they could yet right this ship.
He will play against TB.....I have little doubt.There is no TO ratio and to be honest he was open a ton and just plain over thrown by Grandpa Johnson. I really wish someone would step up and get emotional. Witten is the guy that I think could have some impact in this regard. The O-line needs a HUGE kick in the ###, please start with Flo, over paid POS.Romo- Great QB....not a leaderTO- Immense talent, but not going to impact players who play other positionsBarber- Wouldn't say poop if he had a mouthful of itWitten- Seems to be a professional but just looks after himselfWho's left on the offense?Defense- (The ones who talk the most are the worst)Bradie James.....did you even play yesterday? Aside from hurting your elbow you were invisibleKen Hamlin- How much are you getting paidRoy Williams-You ust played your game as a Cowboy. Hope the arm heals up nice for you.Newman- Hurt right now-but again a quiet guy who goes about his business much like WittenWare-Best player they have. Again, a quiet guy.
 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
The biggest problem (aside from the attitude and coaching) is that while Romo is a fine a QB, he also is not a "leader". I suspect they will improve towards the end of the year and make a good run at a Wild Card card spot. They might even get in into the playoffs, but this team is not Championship caliber.

There is no positive identity for this club, right now they aren't known for anything positive.

I am just sick today.
I agree Romo is a rare talent. I think the Cowboys should let him play. Even if he struggles he mill gain respect. I think they need to have this be his team, not Jerry's not T.O.'s, but his. He should be supported by Witten, Barber, Ware and the vets. They should stop with the T.O. ratio. This team can yet have a good year, but they desperately need to win going into their bye and to get healthier. They need to rally around something. If this team goes into their bye with a losing streak i don't see them being able to shake their current funk. If they go into the bye with a win, and then come out with Neuman coming back, with Romo nearing a return to full effectiveness, and with some more positive news on the injury front they could yet right this ship.
He will play against TB.....I have little doubt.There is no TO ratio and to be honest he was open a ton and just plain over thrown by Grandpa Johnson. I really wish someone would step up and get emotional. Witten is the guy that I think could have some impact in this regard. The O-line needs a HUGE kick in the ###, please start with Flo, over paid POS.

Romo- Great QB....not a leader

TO- Immense talent, but not going to impact players who play other positions

Barber- Wouldn't say poop if he had a mouthful of it

Witten- Seems to be a professional but just looks after himself

Who's left on the offense?

Defense- (The ones who talk the most are the worst)

Bradie James.....did you even play yesterday? Aside from hurting your elbow you were invisible

Ken Hamlin- How much are you getting paid

Roy Williams-You ust played your game as a Cowboy. Hope the arm heals up nice for you.

Newman- Hurt right now-but again a quiet guy who goes about his business much like Witten

Ware-Best player they have. Again, a quiet guy.
:thumbdown: The two biggest personalities associated with the Cowboys at present are Jerry Jones and TO. That's very bad news.

And BTW, the QB need not be the leader on the team. I don't get the impression that any of the NFC East QB's, as relatively prominent as they are, are their respective teams' and even offensive units' primary leaders. McNabb may be as close as it gets, but that Eagles team has always seemingly had a love-hate relationship with him, and the leaders IMHO have tended to come from the defensive side of the ball. But you've got to have someone step up and fill that role, and I'm not seeing it with Dallas.

What's been amusing for me as someone who simply dislikes Jerry Jones is watching him become more active recently as the team's fortunes have declined, rather than recognizing that a lot of what he's doing is undercutting the people he should be relying upon. As I said elsewhere, it's ludicrous that the owner/GM as opposed to the coach is making announcements as to whether a player will or will not play. That sends all the wrong messages, but then that's consistent with Jones' clear attitude about Phillips since he was hired. Phillips always has been a place-holder for that team until Garrett matured enough as OC to take over (and of course even that plan is now in doubt). Maybe Phillips was going to make that defense more aggressive than Parcells did - something I do believe it needed - but you hire a DC to fill a limited purpose like that, not a head coach. The result of course is that a team lacking player leadership doesn't have a head coach to look to now that times are bad, and even worse has a person with the title of "head coach" who is getting openly ignored in the chain of command.

I agree with DW - certain things can happen that restore order to the team this year, but these problems run deep and need to be addressed more fundamentally during the offseason regardless of the team's final record. The biggest concern I'd have as a Cowboys fan, however, is that the primary problem starts at the top with Jones, and yet he's the person who will be making the decisions as to how to address the problem.

 
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The players are gutless cowards. Enough said.

Changing the head coach won't affect anything. They dogged it on Parcells, and they're dogging it on Phillips. Guys are going to have to start losing their jobs to hungry benchwarmers if anything is going to change... and I think I'd start with Flozell Adams.

 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
i dont disagree that Romo>>>>>>>>>>>BJ. but the O-line and D-line are what worries me. i dont care who you got at skill positions, or in your secondary. if you lose in the trenches you wont win too many games. this team is playing like ####. they are getting dominated on both sides of the ball.i think Wade is fired after the season, along with Brian Stewart. Garrett will stay as the OC. they need a tough nose defensive minded HC. i thought thats what Wade was supposed to be? :confused:
 
I agree Romo is a rare talent. I think the Cowboys should let him play. Even if he struggles he mill gain respect. I think they need to have this be his team, not Jerry's not T.O.'s, but his. He should be supported by Witten, Barber, Ware and the vets. They should stop with the T.O. ratio. This team can yet have a good year, but they desperately need to win going into their bye and to get healthier. They need to rally around something. If this team goes into their bye with a losing streak i don't see them being able to shake their current funk. If they go into the bye with a win, and then come out with Neuman coming back, with Romo nearing a return to full effectiveness, and with some more positive news on the injury front they could yet right this ship.
I think Romo is very good QB, but I don't think he is a rare talent. I do agree that they need this team to be Romos. I don't think the Cowboys should let him play right now. Romo already has fumbling problems, and I think having a broken pinkie could make those fumbling issues worse. If the Cowboys want to play him against the Tampa Bay D next week, all I can say is good luck with that.
 
Not this season.
Yeah like he said, but no matter what happens this year Wade is done after the season.
If that is true and the players know it the Cowboys are done. They need a leader right now and a lame Duck coach does not qualify. Their me first W.R.'s don't qualify. their hold dropping, playoff losing Simpson scronking, pinkie fingered Q.B. does not qualify. How about their defensive strength? Nope Neuman can't lead from the trainers room. Ellis, he's too unhappy. Horse Collar, nope. Ware, maybe Ware. Ware is young but maybe.
Umm if you do not think Romo is the leader of that offense I guess you did not see that offense without him. The offense is not the problem. Without Romo this team is not even a playoff team, he extends plays and makes big plays out nothing. Romo is the leader but on the defensive side all I can say is they stink Ware is a monster but other then that they stink right now. They can't make a stop that is where the problem lies. To say anything negative about Romo is just crazy. This guy makes this team go.
i dont disagree that Romo>>>>>>>>>>>BJ. but the O-line and D-line are what worries me. i dont care who you got at skill positions, or in your secondary. if you lose in the trenches you wont win too many games. this team is playing like ####. they are getting dominated on both sides of the ball.i think Wade is fired after the season, along with Brian Stewart. Garrett will stay as the OC. they need a tough nose defensive minded HC. i thought thats what Wade was supposed to be? :thumbup:
I agree...so why not make a temporary change now. Give Garrett the reigns. I think he is more of a disciplinarian type. He'll be a better HC then OC.Top 5 things I would do:1) Cut Pacman TODAY-This club will no longer associate with this type of player or distraction. Be clear about this.2) Fire Wade Phillips/ Brian Stewart/ Bruce Reed3) Move Henry to safety where he belongs4) Change back to a 4-3 defense. 5) Brad Johnson gets cut too-Sorry Brad nothing personal and the loss wasn't a 100% your fault but it's apparent your career is over.
 
They need Bill Cowher. They need somebody to kick ### and take names. Jones chased the wrong talent last week. He sould have been butressing his secondary and making Cowher an offer he couldn't refuse.
Hey we finally agree on something Cowher would obviously be a good choice. No more time to debate have fun Go Cowboys!
 
I agree that Wade is probably gone in the offseason.

In season? Mqybe. What I can't tell yet is whether the players have turned on him. Are they tuning him out? Like Linehan in St.L? If so, then yes, pull the plug. But if they are still trying to rally, still trying to work together, you don't change coaches. Also, if they fire Wade, no one else is really qualified to run the 3-4 defense.

You know, Dallas has gone to great lengths to provide outside distractions in the hope of developing mental toughness. Hardknocks is a prime example. I'd be interested to see what they might be able to do if they shut the F up, get rid of the distractions (Pacman, trades, etc.) and get down to the business of playing football. Anyone who doesnt think all that outside crap doesnt have an impact is a fool. Maybe this team isnt real strong mentally. If thats the case, then you might want to limit things that screw with what mentality you do have.

Get rid of the distractions. Get to work. And see if you can utilize some of the "talent" that you're supposed to have.

 
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I agree Romo is a rare talent. I think the Cowboys should let him play. Even if he struggles he mill gain respect. I think they need to have this be his team, not Jerry's not T.O.'s, but his. He should be supported by Witten, Barber, Ware and the vets. They should stop with the T.O. ratio. This team can yet have a good year, but they desperately need to win going into their bye and to get healthier. They need to rally around something. If this team goes into their bye with a losing streak i don't see them being able to shake their current funk. If they go into the bye with a win, and then come out with Neuman coming back, with Romo nearing a return to full effectiveness, and with some more positive news on the injury front they could yet right this ship.
I think Romo is very good QB, but I don't think he is a rare talent. I do agree that they need this team to be Romos. I don't think the Cowboys should let him play right now. Romo already has fumbling problems, and I think having a broken pinkie could make those fumbling issues worse. If the Cowboys want to play him against the Tampa Bay D next week, all I can say is good luck with that.
I'm not as firm on the injured Romo playing now as DW because it's hard to know how much it affects him. Yes, I know he threw 3 incompletions in the AZ game after the fracture, but what I mean is I don't know what has been done since then by way of treatment, or padding/bracing it that would allow him to play. NFL QB's have to throw with such precision that the margin for error can easily be exceeded by a problem with the throwing hand. Now, where DW is absolutely correct is if Romo is working out and throwing well during the week and his teammates are seeing this, but then he doesn't play on Sunday. That undercuts his credibility with his teammates in this situation. While risk of further injury can exist, the fact is that this team is in crisis right now and desperately needs to win. It could well be that they're fighting for the third and last playoff spot within that division, which would mean that every win counts, and I'd point out that every single loss of theirs has come against conference opponents, which factors into playoff tiebreakers. If it simply comes down to enduring pain as he's able to run that offense, Romo should be out there. And BTW, it's not like they have no running game that can't be leaned on while Romo gets healthy too, so he need not throw 40 times a game anyway.
 
Barber’s Runs by Directon

In 4 wins

To the Right (54%) 46 car 212 yds 4.6 ypc

Mid & Left (46 %) 39 car 157 yds 4.0 ypc

In 3 losses

To the Right (28%) 12 car 80 yds 6.7 ypc

Mid & Left (72%) 31 car 91 yds 2.9 ypc

 
You know, Dallas has gone to great lengths to provide outside distractions in the hope of developing mental toughness. Hardknocks is a prime example.
If you think Hardknocks was anything other than a marketing ploy and $ grab you are delusional.
That was most definitely part of Jerry's motivation. But a number of quotes from both Jerry and Wade have talked about the mental distraction aspect of it.
 
You know, Dallas has gone to great lengths to provide outside distractions in the hope of developing mental toughness. Hardknocks is a prime example.
If you think Hardknocks was anything other than a marketing ploy and $ grab you are delusional.
That was most definitely part of Jerry's motivation. But a number of quotes from both Jerry and Wade have talked about the mental distraction aspect of it.
Jerry talks about a lot of things. Now, whether you agree with him or even believe him probably should be considered a different sort of analysis, especially given the ludicrousness on its face of the assertion that a pro football team's mental "toughness" will come from portraying it during training camp on a reality TV show. If distractions meant mental toughness then Oakland and Cincinnati would be the toughest teams in the NFL. NFL teams, except perhaps for the rarest of exceptions, don't get toughness from anywhere except for on the field of play.
 
Jerry talks about a lot of things. Now, whether you agree with him or even believe him probably should be considered a different sort of analysis, especially given the ludicrousness on its face of the assertion that a pro football team's mental "toughness" will come from portraying it during training camp on a reality TV show. If distractions meant mental toughness then Oakland and Cincinnati would be the toughest teams in the NFL. NFL teams, except perhaps for the rarest of exceptions, don't get toughness from anywhere except for on the field of play.
Excellent examples in distractions and winning, or lack thereof. Thats exactly the point I'm trying to make by eliminating as many as possible.
 
I think his record is 17-5. He's not getting fired anytime soon this season. After this off season it's highly possible if Jerry feels the team is not responding but it's not like Garrets offense exactly looks in sync this year either.
2007 13 - 3palyoffs 0-12008 4-3I get your point I am just saying: 17 - 7
Urinal Mint said:
The players are gutless cowards. Enough said.Changing the head coach won't affect anything. They dogged it on Parcells, and they're dogging it on Phillips. Guys are going to have to start losing their jobs to hungry benchwarmers if anything is going to change... and I think I'd start with Flozell Adams.
Correct, this is the only thing that will shake them up but this team has a problem with depth. I have never heard so many injury excuses.
 
Ridgelake said:
Tatum Bell said:
Jerry talks about a lot of things. Now, whether you agree with him or even believe him probably should be considered a different sort of analysis, especially given the ludicrousness on its face of the assertion that a pro football team's mental "toughness" will come from portraying it during training camp on a reality TV show. If distractions meant mental toughness then Oakland and Cincinnati would be the toughest teams in the NFL.

NFL teams, except perhaps for the rarest of exceptions, don't get toughness from anywhere except for on the field of play.
Excellent examples in distractions and winning, or lack thereof. Thats exactly the point I'm trying to make by eliminating as many as possible.
Just so we're clear, you and I are in agreement on this point, and this is a great illustration of the disconnect between the success that Jerry has had as owner increasing the value of the team, and increasing the on-field level of play as GM. There's actually a conflict of interest there as the owner in Jerry has to like the publicity and revenue, while a GM (or I should say, another GM) would hate the distraction to the important team building process that is training camp. This is why Cowboys fans who start lecturing me about how much the team has appreciated in value since Jerry took over are completely missing the point about the quality of Jerry's overall management of the franchise and his qualifications to act as GM. As I've said about my own favorite team, it's nice that it's (also) a great revenue generator for the owner, but I ultimately don't care how much money Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones or any other owner is making as my interest is what happens on the field. Jerry needs not only to hire a "real head" coach, he also needs to get out of the GM business and hire a "real" GM. I don't believe he possesses the objective self-assessment skills or humility to do the latter, however.

 
I think his record is 17-5. He's not getting fired anytime soon this season. After this off season it's highly possible if Jerry feels the team is not responding but it's not like Garrets offense exactly looks in sync this year either.
2007 13 - 3palyoffs 0-12008 4-3I get your point I am just saying: 17 - 7
Urinal Mint said:
The players are gutless cowards. Enough said.Changing the head coach won't affect anything. They dogged it on Parcells, and they're dogging it on Phillips. Guys are going to have to start losing their jobs to hungry benchwarmers if anything is going to change... and I think I'd start with Flozell Adams.
Correct, this is the only thing that will shake them up but this team has a problem with depth. I have never heard so many injury excuses.
So the GM didn't do a good enough stocking this roster with depth? They should fire him too. :thumbup:
 
Mine is certainly an outsiders POV...

Wade Phillips is a fine coordinator. One of the best in the biz. As an HC though, the pattern is very clear. He's a breath of fresh air immediately, but when the aura from the previous HOF coach has completely left the building...his style loses steam.

He followed Reeves in Denver.

He followed Levy in Buffalo

He followed Parcells in Dallas

I don't know how many coaches there are in the HOF, but I would guess that very few are 'players coaches'. The point is that I don't see Phillips as having put his mark on this team or any other team hes been with as an HC other than being that 'breath of fresh air'. After you've gotten used to that though - then who are you?

Jones has always liked the spotlight, but it seems he's in it much more these days front and center than he was certainly under Parcells. That's dangerous and the deal for Roy Williams IMO was awful. If you really wanted him, you could have had him in March. He does little to help this team, this year.

What's interesting is that Jason Garret should be taking a long look at this situation. He's been tabbed a young HC star in waiting already without the benefit of a lot of coaching experience. He turned down other jobs because he felt he would have this one within 1-2 year. Not a bad idea to perhaps say "I'm not ready". However, with the wheels falling off and Jones starting to addict himself to the spotlight again...this job looks alot less attractive now than it did 8 months ago.

Wade Phillips is a wallflower, but if Jason Garrett isn't careful, he could find himself in a coaching situation where he doesn't have much control to instill his personality on the team.

 
as a life long Dallas fan, I'm not sure I even want Jason Garrett as our head coach. The offense has become very hit or miss and lacks any real consistency week in and week out. I feel like they never make adjustments to how defenses are playing them, and don't even get me started on the defense, which was supposed to be why they hired Wade in the first place. It's a sinking ship, it really is. And not because of the last two weeks, there have been cracks in the armor for quite some time but nobody talked about it because they were winning games. Their defense has been overrated for years now, and while they have talent everywhere, they just can never seem to put it all together on that side of the ball especially. The offense can score, they are inconsistent but they can do enough to win most weeks, it is the defense that i'm really worried about

 
Statcruncher said:
Ridgelake said:
You know, Dallas has gone to great lengths to provide outside distractions in the hope of developing mental toughness. Hardknocks is a prime example.
If you think Hardknocks was anything other than a marketing ploy and $ grab you are delusional.
Forget about mental toughness. Watching Hard Knocks, what struck me about the Cowboys training camp was how soft it was. It seemed like they rarely had full contact practices. I think the explanation was that the coaching staff didn't want to see guys get hurt before the season even started. I don't know how many practices they showed where players were running around in shoulder pads, helmets and gym shorts. And I mean LATE in camp... not the first week or so. Maybe that's why this team seems to lack toughness. Probably had the easiest training camp of any NFL team.
 
It's gonna get ugly in big D, and I for one, can't wait for it. And the longer they keep Wade, the better -- no way can he handle it.
Really? Why? :blackdot:
Haters that's why. Instead of routing for his team he would rather jump on a team that is struggling and to his surprise will make a a nice comeback this year. Have a good time while you can. Wade will be gone after this season no matter what happens IMO.
thats funny, its EXACTLY what you cowboys' fans did last week after NYG lost to Cleveland,remember all the 'giants are overrated' threads started by die-hard Cowboys' fans? :rolleyes: Dallas has the talent to make it to the post season, and I'm quite sure they will make it...but Jerry Jones has become Al Davis , minus the cataracts and without being senile..its not long before this prototypical 'meddling' owner turns the Cowboys into the Dallas Raiders... :lmao: you guys have problems, and it has nothing to do with whats happening on the field..you signed T.O., Roy just signed to a huge contract that is sure to ruffle T.O.s feathers, Pac Man is suspended ( again), you've hitched your francise to Jessica Simpson's boyfriend, and he's turned the ball over nearly as much as TDs he's thrown this season..he's good for onescrew-up per game,every game..he hasn't won a playoff game yet..I know y'all like to think he's the second coming of Joe Montana, but can he play better than Danny White, first?! please.... :rolleyes:
 
Wade danced around questions as asual and sounded stupid....

Kept saying he is at fault not the players...

Going to scale back the play calling especially on Defense....

It seems like Wade is going to call the plays now.....although he never really said that.

Romo..no update blah blah

 
I think it's time to end the Wade Phillips era. The St Louis game was a disgusting display of gutless Football.
I agree and I'm the last one to say "Fire the coach" as a solution to everything.I didn't like that they kept Wade Phillips as head coach knowing Garrett was kept to be the guy the season after.The Cowboys aren't prepared mentally. They're talented enough but there's just way to many mistakes whether it's turnovers or stupid stupid penatlies.
 

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