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Pick a Pair/Half Decade Album Draft - Bonus Rounds Thu & Fri - Pick three if you want (3 Viewers)

Eephus said:
Ditkaburgers gets a colonscopy every year due to GI issues.  The prep was rough when she was a little kid.
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 I was going to say to say hello to Ditkaburgers from us over here at the bored, but I have a feeling those dice are itching to come out of their glass slippers again at some point.

 
Eephus said:
It's Sign o' the Times for me
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Funky title song. I remember it and dig it. But I guess I'm not a big enough Prince fan to really give a good reason that would distinguish all of them. I sort of moved where the crowd moved on him.

I still have the original cassette I purchased Purple Rain on. Still good to go.

 
rockaction said:
Wow, man. Like, wild, man.

These are great. I used to listen to Giant Steps all the time when I was younger, though jazz is really not my thing. "Syeeda's Song Flute" was probably my favorite to just listen to.

A Love Supreme  I can't claim to know as intimately, but I'm sure it's wonderful.
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kinda the same all the way around for me, except I got deep into a Love Supreme for a bit (after backing into it from John McLaughlin and Santana's Love Devotion Surrender). IIRC, Love Supreme was something he created entirely himself... locking himself away in his attack or something. His wife described him coming back down upon completion looking like Moses after the burning bush.

and there was always something about his style that suited me. I was a bach guy when I played piano, and coltrane felt more like that with the rapid breathless notes not leaving a lot of space the way other of his contemporaries did (which I like as well)

 
yeah- I had 1999 and Sign O' lined up for my Prince picks. Both are epic... along with Purple, but Purple feels a bit more fluffy than funky to me.

 
Trip report on last night's shows.

Three Darkwave bands I'd never heard of before with nary a drum kit onstage.  The second band (Wingtip) had a couple of drum pads that a girl banged on. She also screamed a lot. 

The headliners were Twin Tribes, two Latino kids from Texas who shared guitars, bass and keys between them. The singer had heavy reverb on his mic even when talking to the audience. Their music wasn't really my jam but they were good at what they did.

It was nice to feel the bass and watch the pretty lights again. I haven't woken up with a fading handstamp for a long time. I'm glad I went--Mrs. E had been kind of apprehensive this week about her first indoor show and I didn't want her to go it alone after her friend cancelled.

 
El Floppo said:
kinda the same all the way around for me, except I got deep into a Love Supreme for a bit (after backing into it from John McLaughlin and Santana's Love Devotion Surrender). IIRC, Love Supreme was something he created entirely himself... locking himself away in his attack or something. His wife described him coming back down upon completion looking like Moses after the burning bush.

and there was always something about his style that suited me. I was a bach guy when I played piano, and coltrane felt more like that with the rapid breathless notes not leaving a lot of space the way other of his contemporaries did (which I like as well)
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I think, as far as jazz goes, that Coltrane actually ushered in an era that I don't get, the hard bop. I remember, and Eephus and co. are probably bored of this story, reading Sometimes A Great Notion by Ken Kesey where the protagonist and his brother get in this huge argument over Coltrane. I agreed with the guy that said it was too much for him, too hard a bop. That's sort of me. Coltrane won the day, and those of us that liked things smoother lost out.

 
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Ilov80s said:
And 1999 for me. I need to listen to Sign more because it never grabbed me the way Purple Rain or 1999 did. I even have listened to Parade a lot more. 
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1999 is much more of a banger. It's one of the alltime great party albums although my roommate David had a theory that it was time to leave the party whenever the song 1999 was played.

Sign o' the Times is all over the place stylistically but that's one of the things I love about Prince.

 
Eephus said:
1999 is much more of a banger. It's one of the alltime great party albums although my roommate David had a theory that it was time to leave the party whenever the song 1999 was played.

Sign o' the Times is all over the place stylistically but that's one of the things I love about Prince.
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Yeah and Parade satisfies that all over the place itch. It’s probably just by chance that I got more into Parade than Sign. Sign is so long and maybe I just never dove deep enough.

It’s kind of funny how the song 1999 has changed. When we heard it, it was about the future and an apocalyptic one. Now it’s a song about nostalgia and partying like it’s a more free and safe world than we now know. Pre-9/11, pre-internet-cell phone  take over and pre-COVID.

 
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rockaction said:
 I think, as far as jazz goes, that Coltrane actually ushered in an era that I don't get, the hard bop. I remember, and Eephus and co. are probably bored of this story, reading Sometimes A Great Notion by Ken Kesey where the protagonist and his brother get in this huge argument over Coltrane. I agreed with the guy that said it was too much for him, too hard a bop. That's sort of me. Coltrane won the day, and those of us that liked things smoother lost out.
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so you're a smoooooth jazz guy. the quiet storm type of fella. 

I mean- there's still a ton of amazing jazz out there obviously, but for me- after Miles Kind of Blue and just about anything else of his (and I love some of his 70s stuff), this was the pair of albums that has always itched my scratch the most from any of them... even if I have other single albums that I usually prefer on a given day. 

and btw- I never re-read it, but Sometimes a Great Notion is a book I've long considered one of my top 3 favorites. Took me 3 or 4 tries to make headway originally, but once I did... whoa. Had a similar feeling to finishing 100 Years of Solitude- exhale, sigh, perfection. but always wondered if it would hold up on a second run though in my older days. I've been trying to get back through Absalom Absalom for the last 5 years after considering it in the same pantheon of greats at first read in my 20s

 
Eephus said:
:no:
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Ahhh, okay. The whole passage is about the squonks and hard bop. Perhaps I'm wrong. You know more than I do.

From wiki: Prominent hard bop musicians included Horace Silver, Clifford Brown, Charles Mingus, Art Blakey, Cannonball Adderley, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Hank Mobley, Thelonious Monk and Tadd Dameron.

Please explain to me, then.

 
Perhaps he didn't usher it in, Eephus. Is that what you're saying?

Or is there a finer distinction to be made here? Or am I just totes wrong?

I also remember Ken Burns's jazz and Dizzy and the hard bop. Is that more like it?

I'm a naïf. Help.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
5.16 - New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies (1983) / Brotherhood (1986)

The lack of Oxford comma perturbs me.  I guess under our new policy, this also counts as a Joy Division pick?

"Age of Consent" (live at BBC Radio 1, 1984)

"Bizarre Love Triangle"

"Blue Monday" (I'll leave this to @Eephus to tell me if this qualifies or not)

"Paradise"
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lol. New Order was one of the pairs I was considering last pick along with 3 others (including LCD). 

Blue Monday was a single, never on an official album release. IIRC

 
El Floppo said:
lol. New Order was one of the pairs I was considering last pick along with 3 others (including LCD). 

Blue Monday was a single, never on an official album release. IIRC
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That's what I thought, but Wiki says it was on the North American cassette release.  I can pick another song if it matters.

 
Steve Tasker said:
That's what I thought, but Wiki says it was on the North American cassette release.  I can pick another song if it matters.
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oh... I genuinely don't care about that stuff and hope you keep the song- it's one of their greats. just felt like throwing the info out there- wasn't trying to bust you.

 
El Floppo said:
so you're a smoooooth jazz guy. the quiet storm type of fella. 

I mean- there's still a ton of amazing jazz out there obviously, but for me- after Miles Kind of Blue and just about anything else of his (and I love some of his 70s stuff), this was the pair of albums that has always itched my scratch the most from any of them... even if I have other single albums that I usually prefer on a given day. 

and btw- I never re-read it, but Sometimes a Great Notion is a book I've long considered one of my top 3 favorites. Took me 3 or 4 tries to make headway originally, but once I did... whoa. Had a similar feeling to finishing 100 Years of Solitude- exhale, sigh, perfection. but always wondered if it would hold up on a second run though in my older days. I've been trying to get back through Absalom Absalom for the last 5 years after considering it in the same pantheon of greats at first read in my 20s
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Yeah, you know what, I don't think I'm a smooth jazz guy. I actually find that a bit boring. Something about me -- and millions and millions of others -- love Dave Brubeck and the off-beat jazz, so maybe there's just something I'm missing about the entire genre of music. If you held a gun to my head, I'd probably pick classical recordings to listen to if I were in the fifties and needed to be respectable or hip.

As far as Sometimes A Great Notion, I never made it past that passage. I sort of put it down. That was the last thing I remember reading, actually. I figured if they were going to argue seriously in that vernacular and with that as its subject matter, that it was over my head a bit, and I was out.

Turns out a lot -- and I mean a lot -- of people love that book and its middle and ending. I was about three hundred or so pages in, and I gave up.

 
Steve Tasker said:
5.16 - New Order - Power, Corruption & Lies (1983) / Brotherhood (1986)

The lack of Oxford comma perturbs me.  I guess under our new policy, this also counts as a Joy Division pick?

"Age of Consent" (live at BBC Radio 1, 1984)

"Bizarre Love Triangle"

"Blue Monday" (I'll leave this to @Eephus to tell me if this qualifies or not)

"Paradise"
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Dude....do you gave me hacked or something.  I just put the CD on an hour ago in anticipation of this pick.  

Bizarre Love Triangle is one of my all time favorite songs fwiw.

 
rockaction said:
Ahhh, okay. The whole passage is about the squonks and hard bop. Perhaps I'm wrong. You know more than I do.

From wiki: Prominent hard bop musicians included Horace Silver, Clifford Brown, Charles Mingus, Art Blakey, Cannonball Adderley, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Hank Mobley, Thelonious Monk and Tadd Dameron.

Please explain to me, then.
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Jazz sub-genres are more confusing than for Pop music in part because the music is largely improvised. There are also artists like Monk and Mingus whose music intentionally defies classification.

I think Hard Bop evolved from Bebop in the late 40s/early 50s but there's not a clear inflection point like PiL was for Punk to Post-Punk. Of the guys you listed, I'd probably give innovation credit to Tadd Dameron but Blakey's Jazz Messenger bands became the archetype for Hard Bop.

 
rockaction said:
Yeah, you know what, I don't think I'm a smooth jazz guy. I actually find that a bit boring. Something about me -- and millions and millions of others -- love Dave Brubeck and the off-beat jazz, so maybe there's just something I'm missing about the entire genre of music. If you held a gun to my head, I'd probably pick classical recordings to listen to if I were in the fifties and needed to be respectable or hip.

As far as Sometimes A Great Notion, I never made it past that passage. I sort of put it down. That was the last thing I remember reading, actually. I figured if they were going to argue seriously in that vernacular and with that as its subject matter, that it was over my head a bit, and I was out.

Turns out a lot -- and I mean a lot -- of people love that book and its middle and ending. I was about three hundred or so pages in, and I gave up.
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you had barely cracked the mfing book, gb! yeah. as I said... took me a bunch of tries to power through.

and I was kidding about the quiet storm. I don't think anybody beside dental receptionists actually like that crap.

 
Round 5

Southeastern - Jason Isbell (2013)

The Nashville Sound - Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit (2017)

Cover Me Up

Elephant

Cumberland Gap

If We Were Vampires

Isbell is my favorite "new" artist (anything post-2000 is new to me still). His songwriting just captivates me from a storytelling perspective and he and his band are top notch. Southeastern is probably the album I've listened to the most during the last 5 years. It takes me to another world. The second choice was a little tougher, but gun to my head The Nashville Sound is my second favorite - especially in light of the half decade requirement. It's a little more rocking than the more introspective Southeastern. I know Isbell is considered country and he surely has that twang but to me he's a rock artist.

@timschochet

 
El Floppo said:
:no:
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All of this is very funny. He's dumbing down post-punk for me in terms of popular consciousness. It's another genre I was late to. But what would you say about post-punk? scorchy introduced me to my new favorite band, Liquid Liquid, with his countdown. That was awesome. I'm glad he did that. (I'm not spotlighting, they cut no albums eligible for this.)

Grand Royal was an awesome record label, by the way. Comps of Liquid Liquid, the signing of Luscious Jackson and another band I won't mention.

Good stuff from Mike D and the boys.

 
rockaction said:
All of this is very funny. He's dumbing down post-punk for me in terms of popular consciousness. It's another genre I was late to. But what would you say about post-punk? scorchy introduced me to my new favorite band, Liquid Liquid, with his countdown. That was awesome. I'm glad he did that. (I'm not spotlighting, they cut no albums eligible for this.)
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Some bands in Sheffield were making post-punk music before PiL but the face of Punk switching lanes was a watershed.

 
rockaction said:
All of this is very funny. He's dumbing down post-punk for me in terms of popular consciousness. It's another genre I was late to. But what would you say about post-punk? scorchy introduced me to my new favorite band, Liquid Liquid, with his countdown. That was awesome. I'm glad he did that. (I'm not spotlighting, they cut no albums eligible for this.)

Grand Royal was an awesome record label, by the way. Comps of Liquid Liquid, the signing of Luscious Jackson and another band I won't mention.

Good stuff from Mike D and the boys.
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I was as much busting his chops as anything else.

there were a bunch of bands heading into the more rhythmic jangly sounds of post-punk around the same time... not going to name them for the draft, but some predated PiL and were concurrent with the Sex Pistols. But PiL was definitely a part of that- and a very easy and literal starting point as Post-Sex Pistols/Punk.

 
 
 
rockaction said:
Very cool. Missed it the first time around. Know the name, though.
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I think I saw them live. fun band.

oh ####! we started watching Buffy the vampire slayer with the kids... it's pretty terrible. but Cibo Matto was in an episode playing live at their "teen hangout".

 
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