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Picking 6 out of 12 in redraft (1 Viewer)
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footballfreak99
Footballguy
My advice would be to do some mocks with some mock tools. FBG just created the FBG virtual mock draft tool and here is another Free FFXtreme Mock Draft Simulation Tool.
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einstein2u
Footballguy
two mocks through the 6th rounds
Mock #1
SA
TJones
Roy
Lee Evans
McNabb
DWill
Mock#2
Addai
TO
TJ Housh
Caddy
AGreen
Kitna
Mock #1
SA
TJones
Roy
Lee Evans
McNabb
DWill
Mock#2
Addai
TO
TJ Housh
Caddy
AGreen
Kitna
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JMJ
Footballguy
You can get a guy like Shawn Alexander, Joseph Addai, or Brian Westbrook at 6 .... and you can get a guy like Cedric Benson on the wrap around.
Pick a WR like Reggie Wayne in round 3 and the best available RB/WR in round 4 and you're set.
Don't worry about a QB until at least round 6 or so.
Pick a WR like Reggie Wayne in round 3 and the best available RB/WR in round 4 and you're set.
Don't worry about a QB until at least round 6 or so.
purestrength
Footballguy
o?`;dame='ICWT10' post='6989808' date='Jul 11 2007, 11:02 PM']You can get a guy like Shawn Alexander, Joseph Addai, or Brian Westbrook at 6 .... and you can get a guy like Cedric Benson on the wrap around.
Pick a WR like Reggie Wayne in round 3 and the best available RB/WR in round 4 and you're set.
Don't worry about a QB until at least round 6 or so.
Please find me a draft where I can get Reggie Wayne in the third round. If it's not too expensive, I'll pay the entry fee immediately.
In my drafts so far, it's been hard enough to get Reggie in the second.
Sorry for the hijack.
Pick a WR like Reggie Wayne in round 3 and the best available RB/WR in round 4 and you're set.
Don't worry about a QB until at least round 6 or so.
Please find me a draft where I can get Reggie Wayne in the third round. If it's not too expensive, I'll pay the entry fee immediately.
In my drafts so far, it's been hard enough to get Reggie in the second.
Sorry for the hijack.
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JMJ
Footballguy
Are you serious? Reggie Wayne is a 2nd round pick in all drafts now? Maybe (keyword being "MAYBE") in a league that gets a PPR .... not in a league that doesn't.Maybe in a league where you can NOT start 3 RBs .... SURELY he isn't in a league that can.Don't make idiotic statements.HTH.
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JMJ
Footballguy
588 drafts done here and his ADP is 3.04http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php
And again, this is not taking into account individual league set ups. If you can start 3 RBs .... Reggie drops. If you don't get a PPR .... all WRs (including Reggie) drop.
Making blanket statements in an attempt to try and put down other peoples' league and make you look superior usually always blows up in your face. (just like this comment here has)
HTH.
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purestrength
Footballguy
Are you serious with the eye roll? Please, spare me.Not trying to make myself look superior at all. I know I've drafted in six WCOFF satellite leagues (PPR) and seen the results of one other satellite league that I did not participate in. These are very competitive leagues and Wayne made it to 3.01 once out of those seven drafts.ICWT10 said:588 drafts done here and his ADP is 3.04http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.phppurestrength said:
And again, this is not taking into account individual league set ups. If you can start 3 RBs .... Reggie drops. If you don't get a PPR .... all WRs (including Reggie) drop.
Making blanket statements in an attempt to try and put down other peoples' league and make you look superior usually always blows up in your face. (just like this comment here has)
HTH.
I'd like to have him in several leagues, but picking him in the early second is too soon and waiting until late in the second is too late (because someone else has usually picked him).
The only thing blowing up in anyone's face is your insecurity with people disagreeing with you.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
To continue this interesting thread hijack, I'd be extremely happy if Wayne was available in the third round of my drafts this year. I'm not expecting that in any of them (some PPR, some not).
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purestrength
Footballguy
Neil, that's kinda what I was trying to say in my earlier post. I'm just frustrated because I promised myself to get Wayne as often as possible in my drafts this year and so far it's not working out. Then I read that comment about getting him in the third round (knowing that's next to impossible) and I reacted without meaning to insult someone else's league.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Trade down a couple spots and grab willie parker.
flooredyas
Footballguy
While I'd love to trade down or up, my leagues don't allow it. So I'm stuck with pick #6 (#7 in another) in a 12 team redraft. To me these are arreguably the WORST spots to select from this year. So what to do obviously is the question. To me, it's not round one that is the problem, it's round 2. Round one just take whoever tickles your fancy. For me, as both are flex leagues, starting 3 RB's is the way to go, taking a RB in the 2nd is what my plans call for-even in round 3. While not everyone agrees that this is the way to go, league rules must be a consideration. As always, some owner will draft a player from left field and value will slip to you for the important round 2 pick. However I am preparing for a worst case scenario, that RB's have been the only players taken up till my #2 pick. Accept the value that falls to you. Peyton Manning-Steve Smith or Deuce? Rb's are indeed deep this year given all the RBBC, so this year I may end up with a roster that I wouldn't have invisioned right now. I know Peyton falling THAT far? Are you nuts? Well, he has for the past 2 years and may again. But I'd really rather have a Benson/Edge.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
#7 is actually my favorite spot this year. There's the top 4 (LT, SJax, LJ, Gore) and then I don't see much difference between the next 4 (Addai, Westbrook, FWP, Alexander). I have them ranked pretty close together, so picking at 7 gives me a choice between two of them and gets me an earlier pick in the second than picking 5th or 6th would. And as I said, I have 5-8 ranked real close, so I don't see a big advantage in having pick 5 over pick 7.So wolf, back to your original post, I wouldn't trade up one spot. Unless of course you see a big difference in your RB5 and RB6. To me though, the difference is negligible.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I have #5 this year and have already floated out feelers to trade down with the owners picking at 9, 10, 11, and 12.
according to antsports mock draft site. out of the last 23 serioius mock drafts wayne was the #26 player taken of the board on average. he was taken as early as 2.10 and as late as 3.08. It all depends on many rbs go in you leagues before wr run starts. but my guess, is that he will not be gone until the 3rd in all 4 of my leagues unless someone reaches.ICWT10 said:
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I haven't seen his name mentioned yet in this thread but I'd put Reggie Bush right there with Westbrook and Addai as your best options at #6 in a PPR league. I'd be a little hesitant to go after Fast Willie or Alexander that early in a PPR league.
purestrength
Footballguy
With all due respect, you're going by mocks. I'm going by actual drafts where people threw down $220 of their hard-earned real money.Reggie in the second round is definitely not a reach. But I hope more people will start feeling that he is a reach.
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salmonstud
Footballguy
Here is the first 30 picks in a 10 team redraft league I'm currently drafting for. It sounds very similiar to yours league...PPR with all TD's being 6 points, start QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,WR,TE,K,D/ST
I'm Bloated Red Snappers....would have prefered drafting in the 1-3 or 5-6 range. Wasn't too excited about taking Gore at 1.4.
1.01 1. Gryffindor Lions Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB
1.02 2. Salmon Slayer Jackson, Steven STL RB
1.03 3. Bozmac II Johnson, Larry KCC RB
1.04 4. Bloated Red Snappers Gore, Frank SFO RB
1.05 5. Shark Attack Bush, Reggie NOS RB
1.06 6. Flatulent Goldfish Addai, Joseph IND RB
1.07 7. One-eyed Slippery Eel Alexander, Shaun SEA RB
1.08 8. Lobsters Revenge Westbrook, Brian PHI RB
1.09 9. The InFAMOUS Johnson, Rudi CIN RB
1.10 10. Palmetto Swamp Shark Johnson, Chad CIN WR
2.01 11. Palmetto Swamp Shark Parker, Willie PIT RB
2.02 12. The InFAMOUS Maroney, Laurence NEP RB
2.03 13. Lobsters Revenge Manning, Peyton IND QB
2.04 14. One-eyed Slippery Eel Smith, Steve CAR WR
2.05 15. Flatulent Goldfish Henry, Travis DEN RB
2.06 16. Shark Attack Brown, Ronnie MIA RB
2.07 17. Bloated Red Snappers Holt, Torry STL WR
2.08 18. Bozmac II Harrison, Marvin IND WR
2.09 19. Salmon Slayer McGahee, Willis BAL RB
2.10 20. Gryffindor Lions Portis, Clinton WAS RB
3.01 21. Gryffindor Lions Wayne, Reggie IND WR
3.02 22. Salmon Slayer Owens, Terrell DAL WR
3.03 23. Bozmac II Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
3.04 24. Bloated Red Snappers Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
3.05 25. Shark Attack Gates, Antonio SDC TE
3.06 26. Flatulent Goldfish Williams, Roy DET WR
3.07 27. One-eyed Slippery Eel Benson, Cedric CHI RB
3.08 28. Lobsters Revenge Jones, Thomas NYJ RB
3.09 29. The InFAMOUS James, Edgerrin ARI RB
3.10 30. Palmetto Swamp Shark Williams, Carnell TBB RB
I'm Bloated Red Snappers....would have prefered drafting in the 1-3 or 5-6 range. Wasn't too excited about taking Gore at 1.4.
1.01 1. Gryffindor Lions Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB
1.02 2. Salmon Slayer Jackson, Steven STL RB
1.03 3. Bozmac II Johnson, Larry KCC RB
1.04 4. Bloated Red Snappers Gore, Frank SFO RB
1.05 5. Shark Attack Bush, Reggie NOS RB
1.06 6. Flatulent Goldfish Addai, Joseph IND RB
1.07 7. One-eyed Slippery Eel Alexander, Shaun SEA RB
1.08 8. Lobsters Revenge Westbrook, Brian PHI RB
1.09 9. The InFAMOUS Johnson, Rudi CIN RB
1.10 10. Palmetto Swamp Shark Johnson, Chad CIN WR
2.01 11. Palmetto Swamp Shark Parker, Willie PIT RB
2.02 12. The InFAMOUS Maroney, Laurence NEP RB
2.03 13. Lobsters Revenge Manning, Peyton IND QB
2.04 14. One-eyed Slippery Eel Smith, Steve CAR WR
2.05 15. Flatulent Goldfish Henry, Travis DEN RB
2.06 16. Shark Attack Brown, Ronnie MIA RB
2.07 17. Bloated Red Snappers Holt, Torry STL WR
2.08 18. Bozmac II Harrison, Marvin IND WR
2.09 19. Salmon Slayer McGahee, Willis BAL RB
2.10 20. Gryffindor Lions Portis, Clinton WAS RB
3.01 21. Gryffindor Lions Wayne, Reggie IND WR
3.02 22. Salmon Slayer Owens, Terrell DAL WR
3.03 23. Bozmac II Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
3.04 24. Bloated Red Snappers Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
3.05 25. Shark Attack Gates, Antonio SDC TE
3.06 26. Flatulent Goldfish Williams, Roy DET WR
3.07 27. One-eyed Slippery Eel Benson, Cedric CHI RB
3.08 28. Lobsters Revenge Jones, Thomas NYJ RB
3.09 29. The InFAMOUS James, Edgerrin ARI RB
3.10 30. Palmetto Swamp Shark Williams, Carnell TBB RB
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My advice would be to not use FFXtreme mock draft tool.-- YOUR TEAM --
Your Pick # this round = 10
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1: Maroney, Laurence (RB)
2: Johnson, Rudi (RB)
3: Brady, Tom (QB)
4: Moss, Randy (WR)
5: Lynch, Marshawn (RB)
6: Driver, Donald (WR)
7: Green, Ahman (RB)
8: Chambers, Chris (WR)
9: Stallworth, Donte (WR)
10: Baltimore, Ravens (D)
11: Rivers, Philip (QB)
12: McMichael, Randy (TE)
13: Marshall, Brandon (WR)
14: Bell, Mike (RB)
15: Vinatieri, Adam (K)
16: Smith, Alex (QB)
17: Graham, Daniel (TE)
18: New England, Patriots (D)
19: Denver, Broncos (D)
20: Miami, Dolphins (D)
21: Lundy, Wali (RB)
Stick to fantasyfootballcalculator.com or antsports.com for realistic ADP's. After the first 4 picks, I couldn't have gotten any of my players as late as I did in a real draft.
ETA: I'm stacked at Defense though> I think I'll start a start 4 defense league.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Well I just got Steve Smith in round 2...so here's my squad thus far:1.06 - Shaun Alexander2.07 - Steve SmithHere's the draft thus far...non-pppr, 1/2/3/11.01 1. Tusken Raiders Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC RB Wed Jul 11 9:12:35 p.m. PT 2007 1.02 2. Velvet Elvis Jackson, Steven STL RB Wed Jul 11 10:18:16 p.m. PT 2007 1.03 3. Cahpahkahs Johnson, Larry KCC RB Thu Jul 12 5:15:47 a.m. PT 2007 1.04 4. Shick! Happens Westbrook, Brian PHI RB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 1.05 5. Irish Cowboys Gore, Frank SFO RB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.06 6. LHUCKS Alexander, Shaun SEA RB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.07 7. Isle of Misfit Toys Parker, Willie PIT RB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.08 8. Thunderball Addai, Joseph IND RB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.09 9. Regression Meanies Manning, Peyton IND QB Thu Jul 12 1:39:58 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.10 10. Austin Knights Henry, Travis DEN RB Fri Jul 13 4:28:54 p.m. PT 2007 1.11 11. Boss Hogg Bush, Reggie NOS RB Fri Jul 13 4:28:54 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 1.12 12. New York Jest Johnson, Rudi CIN RB Fri Jul 13 4:28:54 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.01 13. New York Jest Maroney, Laurence NEP RB Fri Jul 13 4:28:54 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.02 14. Boss Hogg McGahee, Willis BAL RB Fri Jul 13 4:28:54 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.03 15. Austin Knights James, Edgerrin ARI RB Fri Jul 13 4:38:50 p.m. PT 2007 2.04 16. Regression Meanies Portis, Clinton WAS RB Fri Jul 13 4:38:50 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.05 17. Thunderball Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Fri Jul 13 4:38:50 p.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.06 18. Isle of Misfit Toys Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Fri Jul 13 6:34:56 p.m. PT 2007 I wanted Jones-Drew. So close... 2.07 19. LHUCKS Smith, Steve CAR WR Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 2.08 20. Irish Cowboys Johnson, Chad CIN WR Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.09 21. Shick! Happens Benson, Cedric CHI RB Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.10 22. Cahpahkahs Harrison, Marvin IND WR Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.11 23. Velvet Elvis Jones, Thomas NYJ RB Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 2.12 24. Tusken Raiders Holt, Torry STL WR Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 3.01 25. Tusken Raiders Wayne, Reggie IND WR Sat Jul 14 7:45:33 a.m. PT 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm thinking about this as well, if the right WRs fall to me in rounds 2/3. I play in a pretty TD-heavy league, so if I go with Alexander at #5, I was thinking about (based on availability) taking Harrison at 2.8 and Owens at 3.5, then looking to grab Marshawn Lynch/Ahman Green and then McNabb in rounds 4 & 5. That would be a nice start, but would force me to look at at least 2 RBs and another QB in the next 4 rounds, meaning I'd have to rely on flyers at WR4 & 5 and wouldn't be able to draft a top-5 K or DEF (but I've never chosen either before round 11 in my life anyway.)mizeners said:
inca911
Footballguy
Rather than get set on RB-WR-WR-RB, you should be willing to look at value that is falling to you. If you can get Manning on the turn, he's much better than any WR that would be available as he outscores any other QB by ~40 points. The top 12 WRs are separated by 40 points, just to give you a sense of Manning's value.The top three spots are statistically the best this year (as is typical), with LT making the top spot an amazing advantage in the draft. If you don't have the #1 pick, it's a good year to lobby your league to change to an auction.mizeners said:
bcr8f
Footballguy
FBG's is a nice tool. It uses profiles from MFG.
The second isn't very curernt on rankings.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If you're picking #6, you're not getting Manning unless you draft him #6.
inca911
Footballguy
I agree 100% that Manning should be gone by the second round. Other posters in the thread were stating he could be around in the second round, meaning committing to RB-WR-WR-RB would be insane were he still available. In terms of value, I currently have him as the #5 player overall.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
This is diagnostic of a good league. Anyone talking about Manning going 20th is playing with absurd rules that would allow such a thing happen.
mizeners
Footballguy
I agree also...Manning will definitely be gone in the first round in my league (BTW we have a PPR setup). In fact, usually someone takes him in the first 5 picks, but if not, later in the first round. I will not take him at #6 if he is there. I never take QBs until later in the draft (unless someone drops down that shouldn't).
This thread has been interesting, along with the PPR thread. The more I read, the more it makes sense to go RB-WR-WR-RB. I hope to get 2 top WRs who get many targets. The questions will be who? I plan to do several mock drafts to prepare for this scenario.
Still waiting for LHUCKS to fill in the rest of his draft results
This thread has been interesting, along with the PPR thread. The more I read, the more it makes sense to go RB-WR-WR-RB. I hope to get 2 top WRs who get many targets. The questions will be who? I plan to do several mock drafts to prepare for this scenario.
Still waiting for LHUCKS to fill in the rest of his draft results
LHUCKS
Footballguy
mizeners said:Still waiting for LHUCKS to fill in the rest of his draft results
McNabb slid so I took him in the 5th as there wasn't much value at the other positions IMHO. An agressive play that I wouldn't reccomend to those that aren't good on the waiver wire as it limits my RB depth.
RB#2 is my weakest position, but I like my sleeper RB depth here. In a non-ppr/3WR league RBs can be overvalued...especially the RBs available after the first two rounds.
Love my WRs...I have Smith, Galloway and Plaxico all projected in my top 20.
Average
WhateverA more conventional draft would have been to draft a RB or WR instead of Brees, but I like what I have with this squad. A lot of teams are going to lose points at QB as four of the top 7 QBs are on two teams. That means a lot of teams are playing the QBBC...a big advantage for me.
shadyridr
Footballguy
If I could get an Addai in the 1st round and a top WR (either Smith, Owens, or Holt) in the 2nd round Id be very happy. That being said Im considering offering my 1st & 2nd round picks for the 8th slot's 1st & 2nd round picks. Then I could take whoever's left of the Addai, Parker, Henry group and be all but guaranteed of getting one of those 3 WRs I mentioned. Basically it comes down to will I be able to get one of those big 3 WRs in the 2nd round without trading. Im gonna have to look at some mocks.
As far as the next few rounds Id love to get a Evans, RoyW, Driver, or TJ Housh in the 3rd round, and come back with a Lynch/Green/Cadillac/Lewis type RB in the 4th. 5th Id love to grab a McNabb or maybe add to my RB depth with a JJones. Then 6th grab whatever I didnt grab in the 5th and Im targeting Cooley or Davis as my TE in the 7th. Ill worry about WR3 after that as Ill be happy with a Holmes/Jackson/Bruce/Berrian type as my WR3.
As far as the next few rounds Id love to get a Evans, RoyW, Driver, or TJ Housh in the 3rd round, and come back with a Lynch/Green/Cadillac/Lewis type RB in the 4th. 5th Id love to grab a McNabb or maybe add to my RB depth with a JJones. Then 6th grab whatever I didnt grab in the 5th and Im targeting Cooley or Davis as my TE in the 7th. Ill worry about WR3 after that as Ill be happy with a Holmes/Jackson/Bruce/Berrian type as my WR3.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Never thought Id see the day
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
My sentiments, exactly. Though I still like Parker and SAover Westy. Lets sayWestyPortisWalkerColstonAnd then grab Brees in Rd 5 for the double down on Colston. 
tamales
Footballguy
OK looking at ADPs and players I like Im hoping for a draft of:
1- Addai
2- Owens
3- Gates
4- Green
5- RegBrown
6- JJones
7- Galloway
8- Big Ben
Hmm not exactly the sexiest team. Alot of value picks but Im not crazy about my QB in this draft. Maybe I should rethink my strategy. Take Romo in the 6th and take a RB like Foster as my RB3 in the 8th? Also, I love Lee Evans and would LOVE to get him as my WR2 but I just dont think I would be able to pass up Gates in the 3rd and even IF Evans slips to me in the 4th then Id be stuck with a bad RB2 in the 5th although I could live with a Jamal Lewis I guess. Lets of things to think about from this pick. Still praying SSmith falls to me in the 2nd but his ADP suggests otherwise.
1- Addai
2- Owens
3- Gates
4- Green
5- RegBrown
6- JJones
7- Galloway
8- Big Ben
Hmm not exactly the sexiest team. Alot of value picks but Im not crazy about my QB in this draft. Maybe I should rethink my strategy. Take Romo in the 6th and take a RB like Foster as my RB3 in the 8th? Also, I love Lee Evans and would LOVE to get him as my WR2 but I just dont think I would be able to pass up Gates in the 3rd and even IF Evans slips to me in the 4th then Id be stuck with a bad RB2 in the 5th although I could live with a Jamal Lewis I guess. Lets of things to think about from this pick. Still praying SSmith falls to me in the 2nd but his ADP suggests otherwise.
