Pierre Garcon signs with Skins.5 years/42.5 million (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yardage/TD those years:2100: 947/62010: 764/62009: 765/4Unless you're saying Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins are as good as Manning, then Garcon improved his performance with QB play that went down the tubes.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm really not trying to rain on fans of the Skins. Heck, I may be trying to justify a $30-35M contract to Robert Meachem soon.

But the reality is that just a few days or even hours ago, everyone thought Vincent Jackson to the Skins was extremely probable. Now we're talking about Pierre freaking Garçon at $40M.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yardage/TD those years:2100: 947/62010: 764/62009: 765/4Unless you're saying Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins are as good as Manning, then Garcon improved his performance with QB play that went down the tubes.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Wash Post reports Eddie Royal's deal w/ Redskins 2 years, $12 million.

This is just crazy. I trust Shanahan knows what he's getting here since he drafted the guy, but no other team was going to pay this kind of money for Royal including the Broncos. Who were they bidding against here?

 

[identikit]

Wash Post reports Eddie Royal's deal w/ Redskins 2 years, $12 million.

This is just crazy. I trust Shanahan knows what he's getting here since he drafted the guy, but no other team was going to pay this kind of money for Royal including the Broncos. Who were they bidding against here?

No one, I'm thinking.

 

[Couch Potato]

Wash Post reports Eddie Royal's deal w/ Redskins 2 years, $12 million.

This is just crazy. I trust Shanahan knows what he's getting here since he drafted the guy, but no other team was going to pay this kind of money for Royal including the Broncos. Who were they bidding against here?

Last week I was hearing the Bears.

 

[fatness]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

 

[Jason Wood]

The headline numbers make the deal sound ridiculous, but the devil is in the details. Let's see how much of that money is back end loaded and unlikely to be paid out.

 

[ExaltedOne]

If anyone knows how to make deals cap-friendly, it's the Redskins. I wouldn't worry about the numbers, just focus on the players and how they will help improve the team.

I think these guys are definitely an upgrade over Moss and Gaffney, who will likely be cut. I still see Hankerson being a part of the rotation when he gets healthy. If he's any good at all, he should be able to beat these guys out. If nothing else it will provide him with young talented competition and make everyone better. Banks is gone and the other young guys will have to compete for a roster spot. I could see them drafting one of the big physical freaks that are coming out this year as well.

I love these moves because none of these guys are really old and Griffin (or Luck) can have several years with the same core of receivers.

Hopefully now they can turn their attention on the offensive line and secondary and stay aggressive.

 

[nxmehta]

Wash Post reports Eddie Royal's deal w/ Redskins 2 years, $12 million.

This is just crazy. I trust Shanahan knows what he's getting here since he drafted the guy, but no other team was going to pay this kind of money for Royal including the Broncos. Who were they bidding against here?

The ghost of Al Davis?Seriously, these numbers are absurd.

 

[MAC_32]

I liked the Garcon signing...but this is striking me as full blown panic mode by Shannahan. Personally, I think Garcon is the best WR in this class, and a great fit for RG3....but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role. Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.

But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

 

[dgreen]

I still see Hankerson being a part of the rotation when he gets healthy.

I think the size of the WRs they are signing is an indication that Hankerson is in the plans. He's not a monster, but has some good size and used it well in his brief time last season.

 

[dgreen]

...but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role.

So, um what confuses you about the Royal and Morgan signings?

Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

Disagree on Hankerson.A report a couple hours ago had Washington looking at TE John Carlson. Don't be surprised if Cooley is cut for cap space. :(

 

[ExaltedOne]

Now that I've seen VJax's deal, I am happy with what the Redskins did in getting Garcon. I don't see them as being that far off right now (with Garcon actually having more upside) and VJax is now the second highest paid receiver in the league making an average of $11mil per year, compared to Garcon's $8mil per year.

I also like getting Morgan and Royal. They will have important roles on the offense and their price isn't bad.

Great job by Bruce Allen and co.

 

[MAC_32]

...but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role.

So, um what confuses you about the Royal and Morgan signings?

Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

Disagree on Hankerson.A report a couple hours ago had Washington looking at TE John Carlson. Don't be surprised if Cooley is cut for cap space. :(

I figured since they had the cap issue they'd be spreading the wealth between WR, DB, and OL - not go all in on offensive play makers.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

His other years with manning weren't significantly higher. That's with the Best QB ever(arguably).

 

[ExaltedOne]

...but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role.

So, um what confuses you about the Royal and Morgan signings?

Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

Disagree on Hankerson.A report a couple hours ago had Washington looking at TE John Carlson. Don't be surprised if Cooley is cut for cap space. :(

I figured since they had the cap issue they'd be spreading the wealth between WR, DB, and OL - not go all in on offensive play makers.

They will be fine with the cap and still get the guys they want. Why are people surprised every year when they have proven every year that they will make the adjustments they need with their salaries to get the team they want to get.

 

[RespektMyGangsta]

Wash Post reports Eddie Royal's deal w/ Redskins 2 years, $12 million.

This is just crazy. I trust Shanahan knows what he's getting here since he drafted the guy, but no other team was going to pay this kind of money for Royal including the Broncos. Who were they bidding against here?

The ghost of Al Davis?Seriously, these numbers are absurd.

I checked the washington post and I don't see Eddie Royals' numbers anywhere. Chill out.Morgan numbers are reasonable. And Garcons' 21.5 guaranteed isn't the end of the world to me! I'd rather have a cheaper/younger Garcon than an older/more-expensive/bad-attitude-having/always-hamstrung V-Jax, or Colston and his bad knees.

 

[finito]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

His other years with manning weren't significantly higher. That's with the Best QB ever(arguably).

Garcon wasn't polished when he came out - I mean he went to Mount Union. It took him a while to catch on. He's still not completely dependable but I don't agree with your point that he can't improve - he showed a lot of improvement last season IMO and could put up some very nice numbers in Wash. We'll find out eventually though.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

His other years with manning weren't significantly higher. That's with the Best QB ever(arguably).

WRs don't typically hit their stride until years 3 or 4. This is especially true for guys who went to small schools like Mount Union. Unfortunately he didn't start any games in his rookie year (2008) and his 3rd year as a starter was mired with QB issues. I'm impressed that he was able to break into the starting lineup of a team like the Colts in his second year after being drafted in the 6th round.You can see by the numbers that he improved in his second year starting with Manning. Unfortunately when QBs throw bad balls and defenses know your team is throwing (always playing from behind) it's hard to have a high catch %. He still managed to improve his reception/yards numbers despite this.

 

[RespektMyGangsta]

Josh Morgan: Report: Josh Morgan 'hot name' in free agency

NFL.com's Mike Lombardi reports free agent Josh Morgan is a "hot name" around the league because teams believe he will cost less than the top available receivers but possesses "star" potential.

Rotoworld: Morgan will command less money than the Vincent Jacksons and Marques Colstons, "yet might play as well." The 49ers also believe Morgan has far more potential than his past statistics indicate. "His talent is undeniable," writes Lombardi, "and teams will pay well for his services. He will be off the market before Sunday." Morgan is expected to hit free agency on Tuesday.

Morgan is looking like a really nice move by the skins if you ask me.

 

[dgreen]

And Garcons' 21.5 guaranteed isn't the end of the world to me!

I'm assuming we don't even know how that $21.5M is broken out. It could be $10M as a signing bonus and two $5M roster bonuses in the final two years of the contract. It's probably not exactly like that, but I seriously doubt it's a full $21.5M up front. My guess is if he produces, he'll see the full $21.5. If he doesn't, he'll be cut before he's due a certain portion of the guaranteed money.

 

[MAC_32]

...but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role.

So, um what confuses you about the Royal and Morgan signings?

Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

Disagree on Hankerson.A report a couple hours ago had Washington looking at TE John Carlson. Don't be surprised if Cooley is cut for cap space. :(

I figured since they had the cap issue they'd be spreading the wealth between WR, DB, and OL - not go all in on offensive play makers.

They will be fine with the cap and still get the guys they want. Why are people surprised every year when they have proven every year that they will make the adjustments they need with their salaries to get the team they want to get.

Their cap guy is a friend of a friend (VERY smart guy btw), I'm hearing he was legitimately concerned after hearing the cap penalty news. I figured he'd find a way, but am just surprised with all of this if he was that concerned. There are lots of problems on the OL and DB. Cooley and Moss have to be on the cutting floor. Anyone else a possibility?

 

[ExaltedOne]

...but Royal and Morgan confuses me. Morgan can play the possession role and help block, Royal is perfect for the slot/return role.

So, um what confuses you about the Royal and Morgan signings?

Moss is obviously gone and the regime isn't banking on Hankerson doing anything anytime soon, good call imho.But...they have issues at OL and DB too. DO they have any $ left? even after cutting Moss?

Disagree on Hankerson.A report a couple hours ago had Washington looking at TE John Carlson. Don't be surprised if Cooley is cut for cap space. :(

I figured since they had the cap issue they'd be spreading the wealth between WR, DB, and OL - not go all in on offensive play makers.

They will be fine with the cap and still get the guys they want. Why are people surprised every year when they have proven every year that they will make the adjustments they need with their salaries to get the team they want to get.

Their cap guy is a friend of a friend (VERY smart guy btw), I'm hearing he was legitimately concerned after hearing the cap penalty news. I figured he'd find a way, but am just surprised with all of this if he was that concerned. There are lots of problems on the OL and DB. Cooley and Moss have to be on the cutting floor. Anyone else a possibility?

Maybe Gaffney. Brown can be released if they can bring in another tackle. They should restructure Trent who is making like $12 mil this year. I'm sure they can rework some of their other deals as well.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

His other years with manning weren't significantly higher. That's with the Best QB ever(arguably).

WRs don't typically hit their stride until years 3 or 4. This is especially true for guys who went to small schools like Mount Union. Unfortunately he didn't start any games in his rookie year (2008) and his 3rd year as a starter was mired with QB issues. I'm impressed that he was able to break into the starting lineup of a team like the Colts in his second year after being drafted in the 6th round.You can see by the numbers that he improved in his second year starting with Manning. Unfortunately when QBs throw bad balls and defenses know your team is throwing (always playing from behind) it's hard to have a high catch %. He still managed to improve his reception/yards numbers despite this.

I'm not arguing that. Fatness was trying to use the QB play last year as an excuse as to why he wasn't that good. Then he used it as a...look how good he is. Can't go both ways.I don't think Garcon is a bad player...I just don't think he's a #1 WR wroth 8 million a year. Could be a solid WR2

 

[Wingnut]

So Josh Morgan gets a two-year deal worth up to $12 million, with $7.5 million guaranteed.

Morgans career stats:

Season GP GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost2008 San Francisco 49ers 12 1 20 319 16.0 48T 3 - - - - - - -2009 San Francisco 49ers 16 15 52 527 10.1 61 3 5 61 12.2 20 0 - -2010 San Francisco 49ers 16 11 44 698 15.9 65 2 2 17 8.5 13 0 2 12011 San Francisco 49ers 5 5 15 220 14.7 30T 1 - - - - - - - Total 49 32 131 1,764 13.5 65 9 7 78 11.1 20 0 2 1
9 tds in basically 3 years (49 games), and coming off a broken leg.

at that contract.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

So Josh Morgan gets a two-year deal worth up to $12 million, with $7.5 million guaranteed.Morgans career stats:

Season 	                        GP 	GS 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost2008 	San Francisco 49ers 	12 	1 	20 	319 	16.0 	48T 	3 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-2009 	San Francisco 49ers 	16 	15 	52 	527 	10.1 	61 	3 	5 	61 	12.2 	20 	0 	- 	-2010 	San Francisco 49ers 	16 	11 	44 	698 	15.9 	65 	2 	2 	17 	8.5 	13 	0 	2 	12011 	San Francisco 49ers 	5 	5 	15 	220 	14.7 	30T 	1 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-	Total 	                49 	32 	131 	1,764 	13.5 	65 	9 	7 	78 	11.1 	20 	0 	2 	1

9 tds in basically 3 years (49 games), and coming off a broken leg. at that contract.

It's times like these that you can clearly tell on a fantasy football message board who actually watches games and knows what the hell they're talking about.

 

[southeastjerome]

So Josh Morgan gets a two-year deal worth up to $12 million, with $7.5 million guaranteed.Morgans career stats:

Season 	                        GP 	GS 	Rec 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	Lng 	TD 	FUM 	Lost2008 	San Francisco 49ers 	12 	1 	20 	319 	16.0 	48T 	3 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-2009 	San Francisco 49ers 	16 	15 	52 	527 	10.1 	61 	3 	5 	61 	12.2 	20 	0 	- 	-2010 	San Francisco 49ers 	16 	11 	44 	698 	15.9 	65 	2 	2 	17 	8.5 	13 	0 	2 	12011 	San Francisco 49ers 	5 	5 	15 	220 	14.7 	30T 	1 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-	Total 	                49 	32 	131 	1,764 	13.5 	65 	9 	7 	78 	11.1 	20 	0 	2 	1

9 tds in basically 3 years (49 games), and coming off a broken leg. at that contract.

Its actually a 2 year $7.5 mil deal or a 5 year, $12 mil deal. I like the Morgan signing a lot actually. The Garcon signing on the other hand, I am not a fan of at all.

 

[southeastjerome]

Garcon70/947/6with Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins throwing to him.

2011: 70 receptions on 134 targets 52.2% w/Painter, Orlovsky, Collins2010: 67 receptions on 119 targets 56.3% w/Peyton Manning2009: 49 receptions on 92 targets 53.2% w/Peyton ManningReally that big of a difference between QB's???

Yes.Completion % by Colts QB's.2011: 56.6%2010: 66.3%2009: 66.9%

His other years with manning weren't significantly higher. That's with the Best QB ever(arguably).

WRs don't typically hit their stride until years 3 or 4. This is especially true for guys who went to small schools like Mount Union. Unfortunately he didn't start any games in his rookie year (2008) and his 3rd year as a starter was mired with QB issues. I'm impressed that he was able to break into the starting lineup of a team like the Colts in his second year after being drafted in the 6th round.You can see by the numbers that he improved in his second year starting with Manning. Unfortunately when QBs throw bad balls and defenses know your team is throwing (always playing from behind) it's hard to have a high catch %. He still managed to improve his reception/yards numbers despite this.

I'm not arguing that. Fatness was trying to use the QB play last year as an excuse as to why he wasn't that good. Then he used it as a...look how good he is. Can't go both ways.I don't think Garcon is a bad player...I just don't think he's a #1 WR wroth 8 million a year. Could be a solid WR2

I agree, I don't think Garcon's deal looks good at all right now. The hope is that the cap # jumps up and he looks like a bargain #2 WR a couple years from now.

 

[SacramentoBob]

But the reality is that just a few days or even hours ago, everyone thought Vincent Jackson to the Skins was extremely probable. Now we're talking about Pierre freaking Garçon at $40M.

Given the fact that Vincent Jackson is 29 and is going to cost a lot more, taking a younger, cheaper option seems like a good deal for the Skins. Especially given their previous strategy of paying top dollar for way past their prime talent.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I think it's a good signing for no other reason than Jabar Gaffney was the best WR on this team last year...by a ways too. You can't go into a season with a rookie QB whose options are Gaffney, an injury plagued Moss, a TE that could get suspended again, and NOBODY else. Don't bring up Hankerson. It would be pure luck if he ever ran the correct route.

 

[ExaltedOne]

But the reality is that just a few days or even hours ago, everyone thought Vincent Jackson to the Skins was extremely probable. Now we're talking about Pierre freaking Garçon at $40M.

Given the fact that Vincent Jackson is 29 and is going to cost a lot more, taking a younger, cheaper option seems like a good deal for the Skins. Especially given their previous strategy of paying top dollar for way past their prime talent.

I pointed this out in another thread, but Garcon's first 4 years actually have been better than VJax's first 4 were. VJax didn't explode until year 5. Here's to hoping Garcon follows a similar path.As Brunell4MVP points out, these guys are a definite step up from what we have, and they have the upside where one or more of them could surprise. RG3 can now come in with some good weapons.I hope they keep Gaffney, he was pretty good last year and it's nice to have reliable vets on the team. I am just glad he's not the #1 anymore.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Didn't like this signing at all yesterday. Now I'm starting to warm up to it for a couple reasons.

First, Greg made a great point earlier in this thread about how the salary cap will sky rocket in a couple years so this deal will look like a bargain then if Garcon produces as the team expects him too.

Second, I saw this:

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/get-a-grip-has-garcon-lost-his-butterfin?blockID=669104&feedID=6355

So, what do we know about the Redskins' new wide receiver, Pierre Garcon? I mean, besides breaking into the NFL with Peyton Manning throwing him the ball before dealing with the Curtis Painter/Dan Orlovsky nonsense last season.

Some will tell you the four-year veteran has a history of drops. Statistics suggest Garcon's drops are indeed history.

The sixth-round pick in 2008 out of Mount Union emerged in the Colts passing attack the next season. Over the last three campaigns with Indianapolis, Garcon caught 184 passes for 2,496 yards and 16 touchdowns.

He also had a severe case of butterfingers. According to Mike Clay with Pro Football Focus, in 2010, Garcon finished with 13 drops on 119 targets, the third-worst ratio among qualified wide receivers. The most notable drop occurred in the 2010 Super Bowl against the Saints, a play some considered a turning point in the Colts' loss.

Last season, it was a much, much different story for the man who started a charitable foundation called "Helping Hands" in response to the devastating earthquake that rocked his parents' homeland of Haiti in 2010.

Despite an uptick in targets (123), Garcon finished 2011 with only five drops and the 15th-best ratio among wide receivers. It should also be noted he posted career-high numbers (70/947) despite the non-Mannings throwing him passes.

If his drops are truly a thing of the past this looks like a solid signing, especially when you consider the reports that the Colts were offereing him 5 years/35 million.

 

[fatness]

I'm not arguing that. Fatness was trying to use the QB play last year as an excuse as to why he wasn't that good. Then he used it as a...look how good he is. Can't go both ways.

Well then I failed to explain myself adequately. I was trying to make the point that Garcon's production was improving despite the precipitous drop in the quality of QB play with the Colts.

 

[fatness]

I'd rather have a cheaper/younger Garcon than an older/more-expensive/bad-attitude-having/always-hamstrung V-Jax, or Colston and his bad knees.

Agreed. Signing Colston or Jackson is what Cerrato would have done. Glad to see they're going younger, cheaper, healthier.

 

[jurb26]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?

Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

 

[MAC_32]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

2 completely different players. Garcon's the better deep threat, Morgan's the better route runner, both will probably see similar snaps because of Morgan's blocking ability. I actually think Royal may be a better fantasy play than Morgan, at least he has some upside.

 

[jurb26]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

2 completely different players. Garcon's the better deep threat, Morgan's the better route runner, both will probably see similar snaps because of Morgan's blocking ability. I actually think Royal may be a better fantasy play than Morgan, at least he has some upside.

Why doesn't Morgan have upside? Injuries? Seems to be a guy who could easily produce if he stayed healthy. I took a WW flyer on Morgan at the end of last year in dynasty because I figured him to be in a starting role this year. I don't have any real expectations, but I think he's got more ability than you seem to be giving him credit for.

 

[nxmehta]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

I think there are about 40 million reasons that Garcon will be the WR1.

 

[MAC_32]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

2 completely different players. Garcon's the better deep threat, Morgan's the better route runner, both will probably see similar snaps because of Morgan's blocking ability. I actually think Royal may be a better fantasy play than Morgan, at least he has some upside.

Why doesn't Morgan have upside? Injuries? Seems to be a guy who could easily produce if he stayed healthy. I took a WW flyer on Morgan at the end of last year in dynasty because I figured him to be in a starting role this year. I don't have any real expectations, but I think he's got more ability than you seem to be giving him credit for.

I too took fliers on him last year as a stash and am undecided if I'll keep him around, just can't imagine him ever being more than a matchup WR3 play. He just doesn't have a special quality about his game, he's...a'ight. His blocking ability makes him a much more valuable football player than fantasy.

 

[jurb26]

So, is everyone assuming that Garcon is the WR1 in Wash? What are the chances Morgan beats him out for that spot? Or does it not matter at all and this will be 1a and 1b?Skins seem like they will be a tough one to figure out all off-season.

2 completely different players. Garcon's the better deep threat, Morgan's the better route runner, both will probably see similar snaps because of Morgan's blocking ability. I actually think Royal may be a better fantasy play than Morgan, at least he has some upside.

Why doesn't Morgan have upside? Injuries? Seems to be a guy who could easily produce if he stayed healthy. I took a WW flyer on Morgan at the end of last year in dynasty because I figured him to be in a starting role this year. I don't have any real expectations, but I think he's got more ability than you seem to be giving him credit for.

I too took fliers on him last year as a stash and am undecided if I'll keep him around, just can't imagine him ever being more than a matchup WR3 play. He just doesn't have a special quality about his game, he's...a'ight. His blocking ability makes him a much more valuable football player than fantasy.

As long as he's starting it will be a mistake to cut him IMO. I guess we'll just have to wait and see things play out.

 

[MAC_32]

As long as he's starting it will be a mistake to cut him IMO. I guess we'll just have to wait and see things play out.

He's on my roster bubble, I'm not going to cut him for a scrub but I'm keeping my options open.