Pierre Thomas or a rookie RB (1 Viewer)

[CaGamblers]

Why wouldn't the Texans or Chargers pay the Saints a 2nd round pick and sign an experienced young back like Pierre Thomas to a big contract instead of drafting a rookie with no experience in the 2nd round?

 

[Nagle2998]

I never understood why NFL teams don't do that same thing with Austin Miles why would you draft a Wr like Benn instead of proven stud even if you have to add a 3rd. I know it comes down to money but for certain positions you have to pay and with no cap this year this should be a done deal.

 

[CaGamblers]

I never understood why NFL teams don't do that same thing with Austin Miles why would you draft a Wr like Benn instead of proven stud even if you have to add a 3rd. I know it comes down to money but for certain positions you have to pay and with no cap this year this should be a done deal.

I wish some one would help me understand why you wouldn't pay the tender on a 25 year old RB (PThomas) or WR (Austin) with play-off experience over any of the players that are draftable

 

[Grimace59]

Saints can match any offer given to Thomas, their just trying to get him for the cheapest they can possible. Worst case they draft another RB with the 2nd rounder they receive.

 

[Sinrman]

In Thomas' case, he is a decent RB, who isn't even 26 yet and doesn't have a lot of miles on them. I think durability is a little bit of a concern though. Should a team maybe cough up a 2nd rounder for him? Eh, it's worth a shot I think...

 

[CaptainHook]

because then youre giving up a 2nd rounder and only getting the fair market value of the player in return while you can steal a young player for cheap in the draft

 

[Boston]

It's not just the second rounder...you need to give him a contract that the Saints won't match which probably means you need to overpay for him...and give up a second rounder.

 

[Kevrunner]

Saints can match any offer given to Thomas, their just trying to get him for the cheapest they can possible. Worst case they draft another RB with the 2nd rounder they receive.

If I am a team making a play for Pierre Thomas, I would put an incentive into his contract where he gets say a $4 million bonus if they win the superbowl. New Orleans might have a hard time matching that since there will be a good chance they might have to pay that bonus.

 

[CaGamblers]

Saints can match any offer given to Thomas, their just trying to get him for the cheapest they can possible. Worst case they draft another RB with the 2nd rounder they receive.

If I am a team making a play for Pierre Thomas, I would put an incentive into his contract where he gets say a $4 million bonus if they win the superbowl. New Orleans might have a hard time matching that since there will be a good chance they might have to pay that bonus.

Poison pills usually work just like when Minn stole Steve Hutchinson from Sea and then Sea did the same thing to Minn to get NBurleson - *Advantage Minn Management*In either case you have to use a 2nd rd pick for a RB and pay a contract for that player you draft or sign as a RFA - The question is would you rather have a JDwyer, RMathews, JBest or Pierre Thomas in your backfield for the next 3 to 4 years - If I am the Chargers or Texans and I believe I am a play-off team I go with PThomas everyday of the week and twice on Sundays - Chargers pick 60th overall and the Texans pick 52nd, so it isn't like it is a high 2nd rd pick either.

 

[BoltBacker]

I don't think it's clear cut that Thomas isn't just a product of playing in that offense. I think that's why teams shy away from giving him a big contract AND losing a high draft choice for the right to do so.

Austin is in a different situation imo. Why wouldn't WAS offer Austin a BIG contract? If DAL matches and they get stuck paying Austin a ton of $ that they may not have had to do if WAS doesn't make the big offer. If DAL takes the high pick and lets him walk then DAL loses a pro-bowl WR they have been developing for years and have to scramble for a replacement. WAS can actually use a WR anyway. If Snyder doesn't mind spending the dough I don't see the downside for WAS.

 

[travdogg]

Saints can match any offer given to Thomas, their just trying to get him for the cheapest they can possible. Worst case they draft another RB with the 2nd rounder they receive.

If I am a team making a play for Pierre Thomas, I would put an incentive into his contract where he gets say a $4 million bonus if they win the superbowl. New Orleans might have a hard time matching that since there will be a good chance they might have to pay that bonus.

Poison pills usually work just like when Minn stole Steve Hutchinson from Sea and then Sea did the same thing to Minn to get NBurleson - *Advantage Minn Management*In either case you have to use a 2nd rd pick for a RB and pay a contract for that player you draft or sign as a RFA - The question is would you rather have a JDwyer, RMathews, JBest or Pierre Thomas in your backfield for the next 3 to 4 years - If I am the Chargers or Texans and I believe I am a play-off team I go with PThomas everyday of the week and twice on Sundays - Chargers pick 60th overall and the Texans pick 52nd, so it isn't like it is a high 2nd rd pick either.

I'm not sure if I like any of those RBs more than Thomas, but I think its highly unlikely any of them will still be available at the 52nd pick and even more unlikely at the 60th pick. If I were the Chargers I'd have offered Thomas a contract already. I don't buy that Thomas is just a product of the Saints system, if that's true why does he average a yard and a half more per carry than every other RB they've had over the last 3 years. Why is he the only one with a positive DVOA over that span?

 

[bweiser]

the eagles got lesean mccoy in the 2nd round this year. he is 21 years old. he signed a 4 year deal and made $1.72M this year.

pierre thomas is 25. he is going to get probably double what a 2nd-round draft pick is paid.

i just think it makes sense for a team to draft its own type of player, pay him less and have him for four years at a rookie salary scale.

 

[cstu]

pierre thomas is 25. he is going to get probably double what a 2nd-round draft pick is paid. i just think it makes sense for a team to draft its own type of player, pay him less and have him for four years at a rookie salary scale.

The money is a big factor, but sometimes it makes sense - like in Wes Welker's case. The Pats gave up a 2nd and another pick I believe and signed to a deal that was considered a good deal for him at the time. I don't know what Pierre's contract demands are, but if they are reasonable than it should be a consideration.

 

[footballsavvy]

I don't think it's clear cut that Thomas isn't just a product of playing in that offense. I think that's why teams shy away from giving him a big contract AND losing a high draft choice for the right to do so.

Austin is in a different situation imo. Why wouldn't WAS offer Austin a BIG contract? If DAL matches and they get stuck paying Austin a ton of $ that they may not have had to do if WAS doesn't make the big offer. If DAL takes the high pick and lets him walk then DAL loses a pro-bowl WR they have been developing for years and have to scramble for a replacement. WAS can actually use a WR anyway. If Snyder doesn't mind spending the dough I don't see the downside for WAS.

Thomas is ridiculous when it comes to making plays on his own. I do not think you have watched him play very much. He breaks more tackles and makes "someting out of nothing" more moreso than just about any other back in the league right now. Sure he benefits from the potent offense as a whole, but there's no faking it when 2 to 3 defenders have you bracketed and you somehow manage to get past them for 15 more yards. He does this fairly consistently. He is elusive and deceptively strong. As a good example that should be fresh in your mind, re-watch his superbowl TD play.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

It's not just the second rounder...you need to give him a contract that the Saints won't match which probably means you need to overpay for him...and give up a second rounder.

Correct. Some are overlooking this important caveat.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Teams really value their picks as well, Boldin barely generated a 2nd round offer last off-season. Then their are the teams like Oakland and Dallas who just doesn't seem to care about their picks.

 

[Donnybrook]

Saints can match any offer given to Thomas, their just trying to get him for the cheapest they can possible. Worst case they draft another RB with the 2nd rounder they receive.

If I am a team making a play for Pierre Thomas, I would put an incentive into his contract where he gets say a $4 million bonus if they win the superbowl. New Orleans might have a hard time matching that since there will be a good chance they might have to pay that bonus.

Poison pills usually work just like when Minn stole Steve Hutchinson from Sea and then Sea did the same thing to Minn to get NBurleson - *Advantage Minn Management*In either case you have to use a 2nd rd pick for a RB and pay a contract for that player you draft or sign as a RFA - The question is would you rather have a JDwyer, RMathews, JBest or Pierre Thomas in your backfield for the next 3 to 4 years - If I am the Chargers or Texans and I believe I am a play-off team I go with PThomas everyday of the week and twice on Sundays - Chargers pick 60th overall and the Texans pick 52nd, so it isn't like it is a high 2nd rd pick either.

I'm not sure if I like any of those RBs more than Thomas, but I think its highly unlikely any of them will still be available at the 52nd pick and even more unlikely at the 60th pick. If I were the Chargers I'd have offered Thomas a contract already. I don't buy that Thomas is just a product of the Saints system, if that's true why does he average a yard and a half more per carry than every other RB they've had over the last 3 years. Why is he the only one with a positive DVOA over that span?

I would love to see the Chargers go after Thomas particially because he is excellent fit for the Chargers and partically because it would drive Thomas's contract up if the Saints decided to keep him. I also guessing that Best and Mathews will go before the 60th pick. I wonder if the Saints being a final four team might have a limit on how much they can spend on him.

 

[loose circuits]

all that dough tied up in Reggie Bush makes PT vulnerable. I'd be surprised if someone doesn't sign him to an offer sheet.