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Pierre Thomas or Mike Bell - who gets goal line carries? (1 Viewer)
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Soaring Eagle
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Yellow Line is Unoffcial
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Mike Bell will be far from an after thought, Fansay players are lovin' Thomas way more than the Saints coaching staff. The Saints backfield will be a three headed attack "Shake, Rattle and Roll" Roll is Bell he will be the goal line back.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
You have no idea what your talking about. Mike Bell only sees the field if either Bush or Thomas gets injured. Goaline carries will be divided between the other two, with Thomas seeing a few more than Bush. This Bell hype is booboo talk!
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
You are right I'm just a total idiot. An Idiot whose father worked for WWL in New Orleans for 15+ years, an idiot who knows many members of the media in New Orleans, an idiot who drafted Lance Moore last year while you probably wasted a 7th on Dervey Henderson. You go ahead and drink the Thomas cool-aid. I just hope you are at the same table as me drafting opening weekend in Vegas.
JohnnyU
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Well, maybe you can give us a link to some of this information of yours, in the mean time I'll listen to what my mind tells me, and our good friend and Saints homer SproutDaddy. Bell was kicked out of Denver for a reason, and Thomas' performance last year was impressive. I'll trust my own eyes from what I've seen in both Bell and Thomas. Have a nice day.
Gr00vus
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FF tough guy shtick never gets old.
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-baller
Footballguy
20 teamer?I picked him up off the street.
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, everyone on the team will get carries, including those on the practice squad. God, I love preseason.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I am not saying that Bell is the second comming, he is a very average back. What you have to remember is everyone in Fantasy Football is basing all there love for Thomas on a six week strech at the end of last season. The only reason Thomas got the playing time is Aaron Stecker was injured, otherwise Thomas barely sees the field. Take a look at those defenses Thomas played against and barly averaged 4 YPC. Thomas is not Deuce and the Saint's coaching staff knows this, that is why Payton has stated the Saints will use a 3 RBBC this year including Bell, who I believe will get most of the goal line carries.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
If you were in my leagues he wouldn't have been there for you to pick up.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'd rather go to bat with Thomas' 6 week stretch than Bell's career sucktitude. It's obvious Thomas has a lot of upside. We can't say the same thing about Bell.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
All I am saying is I think Thomas is way overvalued. Bush gets the catches and I think Bell gets Goal line work. I would rather get bell in the 17th than Thomas in the third.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
New startup league this season I drafted Thomas at 6.05. I doubt he's going in the 3r or even the 4th round in most leagues.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I have done six FFPC drafts that range from $150-500 and he has gone from the end of the second to the begining of the fourth. 6.05 is great value.
JohnnyU
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No way I would take Thomas or Bush in the 3rd round. I wouldn't take Bell off the WW
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Which is why the Saints coaching staff drafted a RB this past spring and signed a decent FA RB
Breesisdaman
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All the backs will get goal line carries including Bush. It just depends whats up Payton's sleeve. As Parcells stated, he has the virus. He also loves all his offensive toys. PT will get some goal line love though, just not all of it. Also don't write of Bell based on his past. he is a different back for sure this season.
Other than being a Saints fan I have one horse in this FF race. I got Bush in the 9th round and he is my 4th back in a league where we start 2.
Other than being a Saints fan I have one horse in this FF race. I got Bush in the 9th round and he is my 4th back in a league where we start 2.
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SproutDaddy
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Wow, this board is becoming filled with more and more of your kind. I never called you an idiot. I just said you don't know what you're talking about. But, based on your retort, I will say that you're tool factor is way up......and you don't know what you're talking about. Payton can say what he wants to the media, but Bell will not see the field enough to affect anyone's value. And to be honest, I've never drafted Moore or Henderson. Moore will not put up the #'s he did last year, and even though Henderson is fast, he only catches maybe 4 out of 10 passes thrown his way. I have a strong feeling Meachem will be the value play on that offense.
Man, that's a great line.
Breesisdaman
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Spoutdaddy I going to have to call BS on this Bell not seeing the field stuff. While it is not known how often he will be on the field it is pretty much common knowledge here in New Orleans that he is going to play a part in the running game. Common knowledge because the fans know how impressive Bell has been, Drew Brees has singled him out as the MVP of the offseason/Camp and stated he will likely see a role. Payton has said he will see a role because he has a skill set that neither Bush or PT has plus he wants to keep all 3 healthy by not over working them. Will Bell's carries be significant? Speculation at this point but not so long ago the Saints employed a 3 back system with Bush, Stecker and Deuce.
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Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I never said anyone didn't know what they were talking about.Never said anyone's tool factor was way upNever posted a link to a goofy pictureI come in here for the discussion and debate, I don't take it personally and I don't call anyone names.I think this board could use more of "my kind"
LC512
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Mike Bell had numerous carries in several games where he and Pierre Thomas both played last year, and he was literally a pickup off the street midseason. You're an absolute fool if you don't think Mike Bell will not be a factor in some form or fashion.
To what extent is up for debate - but he will get some touches.
In my opinion people who are taking Pierre Thomas in the 3rd round are going to be regretting it all season. There was more than one game last year where Pierre was #1 on the depth chart due to attrition and did not get starting RB carries. That should tell you something about the coaching staff's opinion of Thomas. Reggie Bush is still the back to have in New Orleans, despite the fact that he's probably the worst RB on the roster.
To what extent is up for debate - but he will get some touches.
In my opinion people who are taking Pierre Thomas in the 3rd round are going to be regretting it all season. There was more than one game last year where Pierre was #1 on the depth chart due to attrition and did not get starting RB carries. That should tell you something about the coaching staff's opinion of Thomas. Reggie Bush is still the back to have in New Orleans, despite the fact that he's probably the worst RB on the roster.
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JohnnyU
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'What, this kind? "An Idiot whose father worked for WWL in New Orleans for 15+ years, an idiot who knows many members of the media in New Orleans, an idiot who drafted Lance Moore last year while you probably wasted a 7th on Dervey Henderson. You go ahead and drink the Thomas cool-aid. I just hope you are at the same table as me drafting opening weekend in Vegas. "Hardly nice stuff there pal.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I never call anyone an Idiot, I didn't post the link. You do your dress blues proud Semper Fi
weasel3515
Footballguy
Wow, lots of emotion here. As someone who drafted Thomas as my 3rd RB, I had to drop/add someone after the draft two weeks ago when he got hurt to pick up Bell. From what I've read (sorry, don't have the link) Thomas might not play week 1 and Bush will be limited meaning Bell will get the bulk of the work THAT WEEK. But that doesn't mean Thomas and Bush won't have value during the season. Looks like a mess.
JohnnyU
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You have to admit, the internet tough guy link was some pretty funny stuff
How is it that everyone forgets, year after year, how pointless preseason football is? Much like in the reglar season, if Thomas were healthy enough to play, he'd be taking a lot of these carries that Mike Bell has used to make you all think he's a big deal.Every team in the league wants 3 solid RBs, it's the norm, it doesn't signify a lack of faith in the top guys. And whoever suggested anything about the Saints backups based on that joke of a PRESEASON game against OAKLAND needs their head removed from their ### pronto
Breesisdaman
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I am going to add a little here because I think you are on to something. If Bush has favorable health this season (We all know that is a big if) He is going to be playing lights out because I think he knows and I think the Saints organization knows he is at a cross roads. He is due to make a big chunk of his #1 pick salary next season meanwhile the Saints really need to focus on taking care of more productive players (Drew Brees). I think this will be Bush's last year as a Saint or he will take a significant paycut based on his true value to what he brings to the team. Both sides see this coming down the pike and I feel Reggie knows he has under achieved and needs to make the most of his opportunities now before he is traded or talked back to the table to renegotiate a new contract. I think this will be a good year for Reggie Bush however he will never live up to the hype he had coming into the NFL.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
If you feel I am basing my opinion on that game you haven't read any of my posts, you haven't listened to Payton, you haven't listened to Brees, you haven't listened to any of the New Orleans' media. If I was basing my opinion on that game I would be talking about PJ Hill.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
I'll give you thatYou have to admit, the internet tough guy link was some pretty funny stuff
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Every year is a clean slate for Sean Payton. No returning starters are a shoe in with exception of Drew Brees. every off season they have to re earn their positions. Sometimes nobody players like Marcus Colston upstage seasoned vets like Joe Horn. (One clear example) Last year who would have guessed Lance Moore would have had such a role. I think you are foolish if you write off the off season importance with the Saints. Not just games like against poor defenses but every day grinding it out practice. Payton knows his guys and he has said Bell has earned a role. I take that to mean the same thing as when Colston or Moore or Pierre thomas himself earned their roles in the offseason.
Manster
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NO way Thomas is lasting till the 6th round in most leagues. i dont know what his ADP is, but it aint the 6th.
EZD222
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Ghost Rider
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It's amazing how so many people are all over Pierre Thomas' jock, simply because of a good stretch last season, despite the obvious fact that the Saints will be using two other RBs, not to mention that Sean Payton loves using Reggie Bush. You are nuts if you think Bush won't touch the ball a lot when he is healthy. Two months ago, Thomas might have been a good value pick, but so many are nutty over him that he is going too early in most drafts. Someone took him in the 2nd round of the draft I was in last night. 
LC512
Footballguy
He had carries in two other games with Thomas, including a 1 yard TD vulture.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Sorry, I just don't buy into Reggie getting meaningful carries. He's icing that knee daily, and he's not an effective runner anyway (has never averaged even 4 YPC or 50 yards a game since he's been in the league). Does fumble a lot though. He's a receiver, even moreso now:
Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2008 New Orleans Saints 10 106 10.6 404 3.8 40.4 2 43 20 18.9 4 1 2
2007 New Orleans Saints 12 157 13.1 581 3.7 48.4 4 22 32 20.4 3 0 7
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 155 9.7 565 3.6 35.3 6 18 27 17.4 0 0 2
TOTAL 38 418 11.0 1,550 3.7 40.8 12 43 79 18.9 7 1 11
Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2008 New Orleans Saints 10 52 440 8.5 44.0 42T 4 5 1 22 1
2007 New Orleans Saints 12 73 417 5.7 34.8 25 2 1 0 24 0
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 88 742 8.4 46.4 74 2 5 2 32 0
TOTAL 38 213 1,599 7.5 42.1 74 8 11 3 78 1
It will be Pierre and Bell running the ball. Pierre when healthy has the job, especially with his receiving skills. Bell will spell him, and if he outplays PT will get a bigger role.
Rushing
Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2008 New Orleans Saints 10 106 10.6 404 3.8 40.4 2 43 20 18.9 4 1 2
2007 New Orleans Saints 12 157 13.1 581 3.7 48.4 4 22 32 20.4 3 0 7
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 155 9.7 565 3.6 35.3 6 18 27 17.4 0 0 2
TOTAL 38 418 11.0 1,550 3.7 40.8 12 43 79 18.9 7 1 11
Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2008 New Orleans Saints 10 52 440 8.5 44.0 42T 4 5 1 22 1
2007 New Orleans Saints 12 73 417 5.7 34.8 25 2 1 0 24 0
2006 New Orleans Saints 16 88 742 8.4 46.4 74 2 5 2 32 0
TOTAL 38 213 1,599 7.5 42.1 74 8 11 3 78 1
It will be Pierre and Bell running the ball. Pierre when healthy has the job, especially with his receiving skills. Bell will spell him, and if he outplays PT will get a bigger role.
EZD222
Footballguy
I don't think people are arguing Bush's touches. I'm actually a fan of Bush and think when and if he is healthy he's there best option. It just well...Mike Bell. He has done nothing "during a season" that has distinguished himself as being nothing more than a back-up. So he's having a great camp and the coaches are praising him. I've heard enough coach-speak from teams to never trust what they're saying and things play out completely different once the season starts. Personally I think Hamilton is a much better option than Bell anyway.It's amazing how so many people are all over Pierre Thomas' jock, simply because of a good stretch last season, despite the obvious fact that the Saints will be using two other RBs, not to mention that Sean Payton loves using Reggie Bush. You are nuts if you think Bush won't touch the ball a lot when he is healthy. Two months ago, Thomas might have been a good value pick, but so many are nutty over him that he is going too early in most drafts. Someone took him in the 2nd round of the draft I was in last night.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Really? Preseason was a big part of the reason so many people were high on players like Slaton, Chris Johnson, Eddie Royal, etc, and those are just the rookies. I know personally that i bumped Cutler and Marshall last year after watching their preseason efforts. Im not saying preseason should be overvalued, but if you know what to look for, it can be a very effective tool.
Many, many coaches have said that they would like to go with 3 rbs in preseason. they praise the back ups and encourage them to work even harder. that's their job.
But once the season starts, this is what you hear:
" We have to give (starting rb name) more touches to get in the rythym of the game."
"It's hard for a RB to get in a groove, in sync, etc with only 12 carries."
"Backup rb is a big part of our plans but (starting rb name) has proven he needs to be out there."
Now I'm not saying that Bell won't take over and be that guy. But he certainly still looks like the longshot at this point. And it's really hard to believe any team will actually split the carries over the long term in ways described here.
Talk about it? Sure, every darn year. Do it? Very rare.
But once the season starts, this is what you hear:
" We have to give (starting rb name) more touches to get in the rythym of the game."
"It's hard for a RB to get in a groove, in sync, etc with only 12 carries."
"Backup rb is a big part of our plans but (starting rb name) has proven he needs to be out there."
Now I'm not saying that Bell won't take over and be that guy. But he certainly still looks like the longshot at this point. And it's really hard to believe any team will actually split the carries over the long term in ways described here.
Talk about it? Sure, every darn year. Do it? Very rare.
gethugefast1
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Took PT in the 5th...behind ADP(Keeper) & WestyEVIL EMPIRE1. (8) Adrian Peterson((Keeper))2. (13) Randy Moss3. (28) Brian Westbrook4. (33) Greg Jennings5. (48) Pierre Thomas6. (53) Donovan McNabb7. (68) Knowshon Moreno8. (73) Dwayne Bowe9. (88) Eddie Royal10. (93) Donald Brown11. (108) Chris Henry12. (113) Matt Schaub13. (128) Green Bay14. (133) Nick Folk
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Vicktimized
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I do honestly think, as a N.O. homer, Bell is going to be a factor. Not the lead dog, but a factor, especially at the goalline. Thomas and Bush will get their looks there too, but I don't think anyone should project Thomas as "the man" in New Orleans -- Bush is still a big factor, no matter how many want to write him off, and Bell is the most physical and decisive runner of the three, which will serve him well in the GL package.
eagles2007
Footballguy
i've reached a point where i'm thinking of trading pierre thomas ... i only have him as my no. 4 RB behind adp, turner, and chris johnson. i can start all 4 with flex positions and thomas scored big points in those final 6 weeks. ugh.
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