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Pierre Thomas "Questionable" for week 1 (1 Viewer)
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New Orleans Saints running back Pierre Thomas issued an injury update Friday, calling himself "questionable" for the season opener against the Detroit Lions next Sunday at the Superdome.
Thomas, who spent the offseason trying to convince team officials that he can be an every-down back, has been sidelined since spraining the medial collateral ligament in his right knee two weeks ago in New Orleans' 38-14 exhibition victory against the Houston Texans at Reliant Stadium.
He finished with 11 touches in two exhibition games, rushing eight times for 35 yards and catching three passes for 27 yards and one touchdown.
"It means a lot, and I really want to play in the opener -- but I don't want to cause any more damage," Thomas said. "I don't want to take a chance where I just play this game and don't play out the season. I want to be smart about it.
"My main focus is trying to get back for the first game. But if it's not ready, it's not ready. I can't push it."
Thomas said he is not opposed to playing hurt, noting that he finished the game against the Lions in Week 16 last season after dislocating his left wrist. On Friday, he estimated his injured knee to be at "65 percent" full strength.
"It felt good moving around today," he said. "I got a chance to move sideways. That was my biggest problem. I couldn't really cut too much, but I'm starting to slowly shuffle. It's getting a lot better. It's not hurting me that much, but I am wearing a brace, so I won't irritate it and cause any more damage to it.
"I try to fight through any nicks and bruises if I can. But if I know it's something that can put me out for a long time, I got to slow down. I got to think about it and take my time off."
Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3805.
New Orleans Saints running back Pierre Thomas issued an injury update Friday, calling himself "questionable" for the season opener against the Detroit Lions next Sunday at the Superdome.
Thomas, who spent the offseason trying to convince team officials that he can be an every-down back, has been sidelined since spraining the medial collateral ligament in his right knee two weeks ago in New Orleans' 38-14 exhibition victory against the Houston Texans at Reliant Stadium.
He finished with 11 touches in two exhibition games, rushing eight times for 35 yards and catching three passes for 27 yards and one touchdown.
"It means a lot, and I really want to play in the opener -- but I don't want to cause any more damage," Thomas said. "I don't want to take a chance where I just play this game and don't play out the season. I want to be smart about it.
"My main focus is trying to get back for the first game. But if it's not ready, it's not ready. I can't push it."
Thomas said he is not opposed to playing hurt, noting that he finished the game against the Lions in Week 16 last season after dislocating his left wrist. On Friday, he estimated his injured knee to be at "65 percent" full strength.
"It felt good moving around today," he said. "I got a chance to move sideways. That was my biggest problem. I couldn't really cut too much, but I'm starting to slowly shuffle. It's getting a lot better. It's not hurting me that much, but I am wearing a brace, so I won't irritate it and cause any more damage to it.
"I try to fight through any nicks and bruises if I can. But if I know it's something that can put me out for a long time, I got to slow down. I got to think about it and take my time off."
Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3805.
Black
Footballguy
All Reggie, or M Bell between the tackles?
Louisville Slugger
Footballguy
Bell could take Thomas's spot with strong outings the first couple of weeks.This injury is starting to sound far more serious than 1st reported. If he is only 65% Bell will get a ton of carries and a chance to steal the job from Thomas.
Routilla
Footballguy
Brassmonkey71
Footballguy
War Eagle
Footballguy
Mike Bell for sure.And for the doubters, just ask yourself this question, why is P. Thomas even relevenat? Who received 20 carries a game last year after Deuce went down?It WASN'T Reggie. He's not a between the tackles, 20 carry guy. Reggie is great in space. Mike Bell gets 15-20 carries week 1 if Pierre is out. Pierre best hope he's not out multiple weeks. Bell very well may take advantage of his opportunity and push Pierre out of the of his starting role.
The reason Thomas' injury is relevant is that the Saints face the Lions in week one. The starting RB could get good carries and some short yardage chances. Bell could easily be a Top 10-15 RB this week if Thomas sits. Also, if I am the Saints, there is no reason to rush Thomas back to face the Lions. Why not give him the extra week off to recover?
-baller
Footballguy
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Against the Lions there is no reason to risk Thomas or Bush. Bell will be a work horse especially if they get out to a quick lead and need to grind clock.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I would not be surprised to see Hamilton get the starting nod and Bell being the change of pace back. Lots of talk about this.
Hamilton could be a week one bell ringer
Hamilton could be a week one bell ringer
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I rather they rest him if he's only 70% right now... maybe give him 2 weeks off. Bell owners are going to have a great start for week 1... Lucky for me I only missed him in 2 of the 6 or 7 leagues I have PT in.
Also, I hope we see a healthy / explosive Reggie Bush week 1.
Also, I hope we see a healthy / explosive Reggie Bush week 1.
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Sept 5th- http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqLZ...mp;type=fantasy
Fantasy Freak Show... catchy name
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think Pierre is a talented back and, if healthy, would be in line for a great season.That said, there's always something to be said for being on the field and performing well. I think Pierre is better, but Bell's a capable back. If Bell performs really well and Pierre's out for a few weeks, I don't think Bell taking the reigns would be out of the realm of possibility. Especially if they are winning.All of that may not be likely to happen, but stranger things have happened.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Lots of talk about this where? in fantasy circles or from the Saints? Bell will be the man but if Bush also doesn't play (Speculation) then I could see Halmilton getting a few carries to give Bell a breather.I would not be surprised to see Hamilton get the starting nod and Bell being the change of pace back. Lots of talk about this.Hamilton could be a week one bell ringer
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-baller
Footballguy
usually when people hedge with that 'stranger things have happened' chestnut it's an indication that even they don't believe what they're putting forth, but want to scattershot a bunch of random longshot opinions so they can feel smarter than the herd simply by virtue of going a different direction.the hope is that some random thing pans out and they can go back and polish up an old post for the world to see.frankly, I don't really think the fact that some event isn't impossible is sufficient argument to buy into it, and unlike a lot of people on here, I have limited roster space for all these crazy lotto scratch tickets.hey --- maybe brian hoyer will supplant brady this year.stranger things have happened.that said, if you're simply talking about a week 1 filler, I have no complaint on that count, but as I mentioned, I don't have roster space to just pick a scrub up for week 1.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Is Hamilton even a lock to make this team?My opinion is that Pierre needs to get on the field week 1 if he wants to control his own fate.Lots of talk about this where? in fantasy circles or from the Saints? Bell will be the man but if Bush also doesn't play (Speculation) then I could see Halmilton getting a few carries to give Bell a breather.I would not be surprised to see Hamilton get the starting nod and Bell being the change of pace back. Lots of talk about this.Hamilton could be a week one bell ringer
BusMan
Footballguy
Stonewall
Footballguy
Basic Facts:
Thomas has been Hyped to Hell and Back
Saints are not a great Run Blocking OL
Saints are a passing team
Thomas has proved nothing other than he is the best back among R Bush , M Bell - thats not saying a lot
I would stay away - be honest - woudl E James start on this team - - there is your answer
Thomas has been Hyped to Hell and Back
Saints are not a great Run Blocking OL
Saints are a passing team
Thomas has proved nothing other than he is the best back among R Bush , M Bell - thats not saying a lot
I would stay away - be honest - woudl E James start on this team - - there is your answer
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Stonewall quote:
Thomas has been Hyped to Hell and Back so true
Saints are not a great Run Blocking OL last year
Saints are a passing team this affects Reggie more than Thomas
Thomas has proved nothing other than he is the best back among R Bush , M Bell - thats not saying a lot Maybe as a pure between the tackles guy he is better than reggie but that is about it. He is not a better pounder than Bell but he has more moves.
I would stay away - be honest - would E James start on this team - - there is your answer no way would Edge start on the Saints
Thomas has been Hyped to Hell and Back so true
Saints are not a great Run Blocking OL last year
Saints are a passing team this affects Reggie more than Thomas
Thomas has proved nothing other than he is the best back among R Bush , M Bell - thats not saying a lot Maybe as a pure between the tackles guy he is better than reggie but that is about it. He is not a better pounder than Bell but he has more moves.
I would stay away - be honest - would E James start on this team - - there is your answer no way would Edge start on the Saints
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So the questions becomes when do you pull the plug on PT? A knee at 65% this close to the season, seems to me it could be week 3-4 before we get a chance to see him. Missing 1/4 of the season would be it for this guy's fantasy season, especially if Bell performs well. A 3 headed RBBC would kill both Bell's and PT's for the rest of the season, unpredictable as to who to start. If he's not getting the bulk of the carries by game 4 he'll be dead weight on your roster, too much potential to drop but not reliable/consistent enough to depend on as a starter.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Half of fantasy football speculation is talent and the other half is opportunity. If fantasy owners don't see the opportunity side of this for Bell then they're either Thomas or Bush owners looking at the situation through rose colored glasses or they are just not thinking hard enough.
If Thomas can't play then these "Bush will carry the load" claims are ridiculous. He's coming off his own injury and the last thing the coaching staff wants to is have that guy carry the ball 20-25 times. Bell is 6-0 and 225 lbs. Its either him or Thomas between the tackles and with Thomas hurt the man carrying the rock will be Bell.
That is why I picked up Bell as my RB5 this week.
If Thomas can't play then these "Bush will carry the load" claims are ridiculous. He's coming off his own injury and the last thing the coaching staff wants to is have that guy carry the ball 20-25 times. Bell is 6-0 and 225 lbs. Its either him or Thomas between the tackles and with Thomas hurt the man carrying the rock will be Bell.
That is why I picked up Bell as my RB5 this week.
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4.8 YPC and 9 TD's while not starting the whole year.......that's proving nothing to you?
Routilla
Footballguy
4.8 YPC and 9 TD's while not starting the whole year.......that's proving nothing to you?
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
As mentioned above, I'm high on Bell but not for the reason you state. I think its very likely that Bell starts the first two games of the season while Thomas rests. Then, one of four scenarios will play out during the rest of the season:1) He sits on the bench or has a very minimal role while Thomas and Bush get the lion share of the carries. I think this is still a possibility, but the least likely scenario of the four.2) He becomes part of a RBBC with Thomas and Bush with Bell being the short yardage and possibly goal line guy because of his size. And he vultures TD's from Thomas and Bush owners all year.3) It becomes full blown RBBC and it hurts the value of all three guys.4) Thomas is never 100% or injures himself worse and Bell gets 15-20 carries per game along with the goal line work.I think Bell's floor is #3 with #2 being the upside unless #4 happens. Certainly not the situation Thomas owners envisioned when he was the hot pickup in early preseason fantasy drafts.I think Pierre is a talented back and, if healthy, would be in line for a great season.That said, there's always something to be said for being on the field and performing well. I think Pierre is better, but Bell's a capable back. If Bell performs really well and Pierre's out for a few weeks, I don't think Bell taking the reigns would be out of the realm of possibility. Especially if they are winning.All of that may not be likely to happen, but stranger things have happened.
The frustrating thing about this is not that he probably wont play in week 1. At this point everybody should have solid depth to play at RB2. But you miss out on that great matchup vs DET plus is he gonna be iffy all year. Knee injuries are no picnic. Im already regretting drafting this guy in the 3rd.
Mr. Justin Case
Footballguy
Look for Detroit to upset here.
Routilla
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Care to unwrap this?
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
Seems like every year a double digit underdog wins outright. Why not here.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That will never happen.
-baller
Footballguy
how many of them lose?
Native
Footballguy
Nice interview with Pierre.
http://www.670thescore.com/topic/play_wind...audioId=4001179
* Expects 15-20 carries per game (not 'touches' per game)
* Added 10 pounds of muscle - mostly leg strength - to take more of the short yardage responsibilties
* 75-80% healthy will know more after the weekend
http://www.670thescore.com/topic/play_wind...audioId=4001179
* Expects 15-20 carries per game (not 'touches' per game)
* Added 10 pounds of muscle - mostly leg strength - to take more of the short yardage responsibilties
* 75-80% healthy will know more after the weekend
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
You can ring mike bell. you can ring mike bell.:discostu:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
wasn't Bush a little banged up too. This could be a huge preseaon waiver wire play with how ####ty the lions will be.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I just put in to drop Brandon Jackson for him.Sept 5th- http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AqLZ...mp;type=fantasy
Fantasy Freak Show... catchy name
Last bench spot for a possible top 10 week one start = nice upside.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
you could also gouge the piere thomas owner who is flipping out?
Brassmonkey71
Footballguy
Didnt Brandon Jacobs have a similar injury last year in a game against Philly? If I recall correctly Brandon Jacobs only missed one game due to the sprain and the returned the following week and had a three TD game against Carolina. As I said in a previous thread, I expect Pierre Thomas to start this game. The only problem here is if NO goes up big early then it may be the Mike Bell show. Had two 12 team drafts over the weekend, anPT was off the board by the middle of the 3rd round in both drafts.
-baller
Footballguy
there aren't any owners like that in my league, although I do see that occasional thing where a guy grabs somebody off the fa pool and immediately tries to trade him.I usually just ignore those guys.I'm a pierre owner, but I'll use one of my bench rb's rather than cut a bench rb for a week one scrub.that's why you draft bench players.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Pierre didnt practice today (Monday) per Jeff Duncan.Its really too early in the season to already be thinking about injuries.
Yeah this doesnt sound like a serious injury but it doesnt sound like he'll play this week. I guess Ill be starting DMac.Pierre didnt practice today (Monday) per Jeff Duncan.Its really too early in the season to already be thinking about injuries.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
New Orleans Saints open Detroit Lions week without four players on practice field
by Brian Allee-Walsh, The Times-Picayune
Monday September 07, 2009, 11:43 AM
The Saints opened their game preparations for the Detroit Lions without RB Pierre Thomas, CB Randall Gay, LT Jammal Brown and TE Darnell Dinkins on the practice field.
Thomas (sprained right knee), Brown (sports hernia) and Dinkins (ankle/foot) continue to rehab from injuries while Gay's status is unkown.
Also, starting defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant continue to practice with the team while awaiting for their suspension issues to be resolved by the league office.
Pierre Thomas-RB- Saints Sep. 7 - 1:16 pm et
Rotoworld
Pierre Thomas (MCL sprain) was held out of Monday's practice.
Thomas has deemed himself questionable to face Detroit and estimated that his knee is just 65 percent healthy. His chances of being a fantasy asset in Week 1 look bleak, but check back later in the week for an update on his status.
by Brian Allee-Walsh, The Times-Picayune
Monday September 07, 2009, 11:43 AM
The Saints opened their game preparations for the Detroit Lions without RB Pierre Thomas, CB Randall Gay, LT Jammal Brown and TE Darnell Dinkins on the practice field.
Thomas (sprained right knee), Brown (sports hernia) and Dinkins (ankle/foot) continue to rehab from injuries while Gay's status is unkown.
Also, starting defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant continue to practice with the team while awaiting for their suspension issues to be resolved by the league office.
Pierre Thomas-RB- Saints Sep. 7 - 1:16 pm et
Rotoworld
Pierre Thomas (MCL sprain) was held out of Monday's practice.
Thomas has deemed himself questionable to face Detroit and estimated that his knee is just 65 percent healthy. His chances of being a fantasy asset in Week 1 look bleak, but check back later in the week for an update on his status.
