TheGreatest
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Piscitelli or Rouse? Who should I draft in a dynasty league?
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Piscitelli or Rouse? (1 Viewer)
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Jene Bramel
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Neither are elite talents, so I'd go with the player in the better situation and that appears to be Rouse.
Although Jermaine Phillips posted a whopping 89 solo tackles last year, the Tampa Bay SS position has never been a prime spot for IDP production. Dexter Jackson and John Lynch, both better talents than Piscatelli, had trouble posting 70 solo tackles in the Buccaneer scheme. In the unlikely event a scheme change occurs in the near future, Piscatelli would probably be seen as more of a FS and may not see any increase in value.
Rouse isn't a clearly better talent than Piscatelli but is seen as more of an in-the-box player. He will probably take over the SS job relatively soon (if not in camp) and could have 80 solo tackle potential as a more traditional SS.
Neither player is a lock to ever have more than DB3 value, but Rouse has the higher ceiling and would be my pick.
Although Jermaine Phillips posted a whopping 89 solo tackles last year, the Tampa Bay SS position has never been a prime spot for IDP production. Dexter Jackson and John Lynch, both better talents than Piscatelli, had trouble posting 70 solo tackles in the Buccaneer scheme. In the unlikely event a scheme change occurs in the near future, Piscatelli would probably be seen as more of a FS and may not see any increase in value.
Rouse isn't a clearly better talent than Piscatelli but is seen as more of an in-the-box player. He will probably take over the SS job relatively soon (if not in camp) and could have 80 solo tackle potential as a more traditional SS.
Neither player is a lock to ever have more than DB3 value, but Rouse has the higher ceiling and would be my pick.
TheGreatest
Footballguy
Thanks JB! I am in my draft currently and would like to pick up a young DB and those two along with G. ALexander are the best ones on the board.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Yes he should start. Manuel was a disappointment and Culver was hust last year.
Rouse definitely has the better fantasy profile as in the box safety, but this is also a guy who struggled in his senior year, so badly that he was benched for 3 games...
Piscitelli might not be the LB/S tweener/hitter than Rouse is, but he also can more than hold him own in run support, and the Bucs are already singing his praises...
This one's cut and dry for me.
Piscitelli might not be the LB/S tweener/hitter than Rouse is, but he also can more than hold him own in run support, and the Bucs are already singing his praises...
This one's cut and dry for me.
msommer
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Jene Bramel
Footballguy
What fun would it be if we always agreed?
I'll just be happy to be right some of the time where I'm in disagreement with Sig.
redman
Footballguy
The thing I like about Piscitelli is his combination of size and athleticism and leadership skills. I don't know much about Rouse, but that combo that Piscitelli has figures to keep him on the field a lot, and his size lends itself to good run support which has to help his tackle numbers I would think.
What I'm hoping with him is that he's a poor man's Sean Taylor who, like Taylor, will be able to post some big plays on turnovers due to his athleticism and nose for the ball.
What I'm hoping with him is that he's a poor man's Sean Taylor who, like Taylor, will be able to post some big plays on turnovers due to his athleticism and nose for the ball.
flooredyas
Footballguy
In our almost completed rookie dynasty draft I took Sabby @ pick 62 (4.14) and Rouse went @ 68 (5.4).
However the Rouse owner is an avid GB homer and well respected in this forum, so read nothing into the order of selection here other than I
the Sig koolaide. 
However the Rouse owner is an avid GB homer and well respected in this forum, so read nothing into the order of selection here other than I
the Sig koolaide. 
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
FWIW, Rouse's benching was as much a disciplinary action as it was due to his lagging play (if he had come out as a junior, some predicted him being a late first round pick).In the games leading up to his benching he was playing out of control far too often. He was flagged for roughing the passer twice in the Duke game and had 2 or 3 late hit penalties called against him in other games. In the BC game (the second of two straight midseason losses) he blew up and got into a heated shouting match with teammates. He didn't start the 3 games after that.If he's gotten his head together I believe he can be a decent in-the-box safety in the NFL. He has a hitter's mentality (a quote from the Roanoke Times after he was drafted: "When asked if he had enough heavy clothes to bear the brutal winter climates of Green Bay, Rouse said: "I've got a cold heart and that's all I need."") which is what you want in a SS (see redman's post above with the Sean Taylor comparison).
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Rouse was a player to be excited about at the beginning of last season, but he lost me as the season progressed. You were at the Senior Bowl practices, tell me what you thought from there. The pundits covering the festivities were not impressed and TV coverage did little to explain. I kept some notes on him last year-- and after his bowl game, where he was constantly out of position and/or missing tackles and can be directly blamed for a real part of the team's second half defensive collapse-- I wrote, "Dwayne Slay without the Slay. Not a DB. Special teams or future LB. Darnell Bing without the Bing?." Those of you who don't remember Slay, he was a big hitter... Bing was a clutch playmaker. Rouse had the opportunity to be both and fell well short. He ended that game with 3 solos and 3 assists with a pd, but he should have posted much bigger stats, imo.
I would hesitate to be very excited about some of these rookies having much impact.
I like Sabby. I laugh a little though because I have been in the stands on more than one occasion when he was rightfully being razzed and taunted in good-natured Pac 10 spirits. I have seen Mo Drew truck right over him, which was a little funny to watch. I have seen Chris Markey do it on the very next play. Sabby is not a good tackler (or he just has bad games on tv). He could be a good hitter, but collisions involving Sabby were rare. He gets his man down with decent technique a decent percentage of the time, but I always wondered if he was giving up more yardage than a more aggressive instinctive player might give. He plays better laterally and deep (range and coverage), than he does vertically and downhill, as you hope a run stuffing SS will play. Last year he was 4th in tackles on a pretty lousy D, but he did post 5 picks. Until he learns to stick his nose into the rough stuff, that's his real game guys. Yesterday, I PM'd Bloom a clip of a 195 pound RB dragging Sabby 3 yards into the endzone (we were discussing the RB).
He is a great special teams guy and I drafted him in the group mock here with that comment attached. He is also a high intangible guy who will probably figure things out much faster than Rouse. I remember an old Spring ball story about Sabby having a technical flaw or a tell, and he quickly rectified it. He is coachable and a leader.
I can't speak to all rookie drafts but in a six round Zealots draft, I wouldn't draft either. I think I can find the same potential in free agency.
It seems every year recently a safety (Frampton, Stone, Payne?) makes a nice and unexpected impact from day 2 of the draft. My money is on Josh Gattis, but all these situations need monitoring. I think the odds are better drafting a late WR or two, even if that let's Sabby and Rouse go elsewhere, and then paying very close attention to the rest of these guys in camp. In other words, I'll take the field over Rouse and Piscatelli if it lands me a shot at someone falling like Johnny Lee Higgins, James Jones or Courtney Taylor.
trader jake
Footballguy
Agreed.The best quote I read about Rouse was that he "looks like Tarzan, but plays like Jane." As Chaos Commish noted above he's the Darnell Bing without the Bing. As a Packer homer I was not happy about his selection but must admit he has a great opportunity in Green Bay. The position is wide open and if he can put last season behind him he would be in a nice FF spot.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hey Jene, FBG has Piscitelli's name spelled wrong in the rookie rankings and probably elsewhere too.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Thanks. I usually notice those things but thought Piscatelli was correct. I'll forward it for correction.
Pipes
Footballguy
He's looked o.k. but Atari Bigby kind of came out of nowhere and as looked real impressive. He appears to be the starting SS in Green Bay with Manuel possibly being cut.
