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PIT OC Ken Whisenhunt (1 Viewer)

What's the Better Job?

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Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J

 
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After this postseason run, he might be better served waiting for an opening after next season. Then again, the offense could falter, along with his stock. He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.

 
Very good poll! I think you have to take the Head Coaching job. It is a risk, Davis is a wildcard and a bad showing as a head coach can hurt your chances forever, but there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs out there. To me you never turn one down. doubly so when you know there is no way you'd ever get promoted in your current franchise.

 
I may end up being in the minority (to early to tell) but I think that a guy is far better off keeping a top flight OC or DC job as opposed to taking over a rebuilding project. I would think that a guy like Al Saunders, for instance, who is going to be making a salary as OC of the Skins that is comparable to that of some HC's is in the prime situation. As OC, you will take far less of the blame that will the HC, you get to focus on your area of expertise and in this case still make a pretty huge salary. What is there to dislike about that situation? It would seem to me that Wisenhunt is the in the same scenario in Pitt. Why take a similar salary, to go to a situation that is less than desirable, when you can keep your family where they are, make a great living, and continue working with people who you are clearly already very comfortable with.

 
I would stay in Pitt. He has a good thing going there. He will more than likely be offered a pay raise to stay.

Why go to the Raiders? That isn't a good team. He won't have much control over the team management. No way I take that job. There will be more opportunities next season, maybe in a better location. No telling who ends up with 2 or 3 wins next season. He may be offered a better job. Oakland is a career killer.

I have a sneeky feeling the job in San Diego will be open soon.......

 
I would stay in Pittsburgh. There will be better jobs available next year. Oakland is a mess right now unless they could aquire Culpepper in some sort of trade which is doubtful right now so I would stay if I was him.

 
Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J
IMO, this won't happen for a long time.
 
he'll be set up to fail in oakland, he won't have control over anything important. There will definitely be better jobs next year. I'd wait.

 
Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J
IMO, this won't happen for a long time.
Not from what I heard.
 
he'll be set up to fail in oakland, he won't have control over anything important. There will definitely be better jobs next year. I'd wait.
There's no guarantee he'll be considered for those jobsso far this year exactly one team has given him serious consideration....the raiders

if the steelers Off declines a little, why would he get better offers?

 
Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J
IMO, this won't happen for a long time.
Not from what I heard.
:fishing:
 
I'll turn this around a little bit and answer it that way.

If I am looking to hire a head coach, I want to hire someone who thinks so highly of his skills that he believes he can turn any NFL program around. If he rejects the Raiders job, then I question his faith in his skills and wouldn't want him as my head coach.

 
he'll be set up to fail in oakland, he won't have control over anything important. There will definitely be better jobs next year. I'd wait.
so far this year exactly one team has given him serious consideration....the raiders
thats only because everyone else was impatient to get their jobs filled. Dont get me wrong, there were some good hires in there, but if Whisenhunt was available for interviews from the beginning of the playoffs, he would have gotten other offers.
 
Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J
IMO, this won't happen for a long time.
Not from what I heard.
:fishing:
Nope. Cowher built a retirement house down in NC. Cowhers wife told the neighbors he would retire within a few years. Of course a "few" years could be 2 or could be 10. And a change of heart is also possible.
 
he'll be set up to fail in oakland, he won't have control over anything important. There will definitely be better jobs next year. I'd wait.
so far this year exactly one team has given him serious consideration....the raiders
thats only because everyone else was impatient to get their jobs filled. Dont get me wrong, there were some good hires in there, but if Whisenhunt was available for interviews from the beginning of the playoffs, he would have gotten other offers.
but he wasn'twill he be next year?

only if the team does worse, which could hurt his stock

I am sure Mike Martz thought he'd get a job this year...you can just never tell

I see the temptation to stay, but to me you strike while the iron is hot

Charlie Weiss never did get that NFL job did he?

 
Ken Whisenhunt as the next Oakland HC is getting lots of buzz.

I just threw out the salary numbers as guesstimates for sake of discussion.

Made me think of Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crennel. With all the Cowher Hall of Fame talk, made me also think about who might succeed Cowher.

I'm an Al Davis fan and love the guy but I don't think I'd want to work him.

I wonder what the perception among folks is out there - would Whisenhunt be better off trying to rebuild the Raiders working with the cards he's dealt out there plus deal with Davis or would he be better off biding his time with the current SB Champs and maybe take over for Cowher some day or maybe land a better job down the road?

J
I'd pass on the OAK job and hopefully get back to another Super Bowl and then get my pick of the next 6 job openings next year, all of which will most likely be better than being under the thumb of Al Davis.
 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.

 
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Chan Gailey had a good gig in Pgh and got amazing results from Kordell. This impressed Jerry Jones, who hired Gailey then dumped him from Dallas after a couple of seasons.

Mike Mularkey had a good gig in Pgh. Ralph Wilson and Tom Donahoe spirited him away and he was dumped by Buffalo after a couple of seasons.

Now the question is whether another Steeler OC, riding some success, should go work for Al Davis. Um, how did it work out for the last Raider coach (Turner) brought out West because of a good reputation as an OC?

It's Big Al's team. It wouldn't be Whisenhunt's.

Also, does Davis ever look for a HC with defensive credentials? He ought to. Seems always to be an assistant on the offensive side.

 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.
Yeah, you may never know when a head coaching job will present itself. There is never any turnover in the NFL. :mellow:

 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.
Yeah, you may never know when a head coaching job will present itself. There is never any turnover in the NFL. :mellow:
I guess you missed my point. Sure there will be openings every year, but there's no guarantee that Whisenhunt will be a strong contender for any of them. Unless you're Bill Parcells or someone of that ilk, sometimes you take the opportunity when/if it arises.
 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.
Yeah, you may never know when a head coaching job will present itself. There is never any turnover in the NFL. :mellow:
you never know when your name will come up thoughArt Shell thought he'd get a job, look how long it took denny green to get rehired. there are 32 total jobs. Pass one and you may not get a shot at the next

10 were open this year, 1 is interested in him

 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.
Yeah, you may never know when a head coaching job will present itself. There is never any turnover in the NFL. :mellow:
I guess you missed my point. Sure there will be openings every year, but there's no guarantee that Whisenhunt will be a strong contender for any of them. Unless you're Bill Parcells or someone of that ilk, sometimes you take the opportunity when/if it arises.
agreed. No one will say the raiders have a better situation. But if you want the HC job ever, you take what comes your way.
 
He might as well move up to HC now, who knows if he will get another offer down the road.
I agree here - you never know when another opportunity may arise. Perhaps Mangini thought as much before taking over a similar less-than-desirable position coaching the Jets.With about 10 or so job openings just filled this year, there will almost certainly be a drop off in job openings next year. What's to say that he'll be one of those guys being considered?

Of course, despite which is the better job, for all we know, Whisenhunt may not be interested in moving up to HC. Always a possibility.
Yeah, you may never know when a head coaching job will present itself. There is never any turnover in the NFL. :mellow:
I guess you missed my point. Sure there will be openings every year, but there's no guarantee that Whisenhunt will be a strong contender for any of them. Unless you're Bill Parcells or someone of that ilk, sometimes you take the opportunity when/if it arises.
the guy is an OC on the super bowl winning team who went to the AFC champ game last year and will sure to make some noise next year.he'll have his opportunities.

regarding art shell, there is something weird with that, that nobody in the nfl is talking about. either shell never wanted another job or did/said something that pretty much removed him from consideration.

that and when he was a coach for the raiders was basically a puppet for davis.

 
Chan Gailey had a good gig in Pgh and got amazing results from Kordell.  This impressed Jerry Jones, who hired Gailey then dumped him from Dallas after a couple of seasons.

Mike Mularkey had a good gig in Pgh.  Ralph Wilson and Tom Donahoe spirited him away and he was dumped by Buffalo after a couple of seasons.

Now the question is whether another Steeler OC, riding some success, should go work for Al Davis.  Um, how did it work out for the last Raider coach (Turner) brought out West because of a good reputation as an OC?

It's Big Al's team. It wouldn't be Whisenhunt's. 

Also, does Davis ever look for a HC with defensive credentials?  He ought to.  Seems always to be an assistant on the offensive side.
The Raiders have a clear identity and tradition as a football club that wins with offense. In some ways, they represent the old, wide-open style of the old AFL. They won two super bowls in the 1980s with offensive clubs, clubs that were not special defensively. For the Raiders to hire a a defensive head coach would be like the Bears hiring an offensive head coach - it would betray their heritage. Its their culture, their brand name. They've spent decades building that up. You don't just throw that away.
 
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I would stay in Pittsburgh. There will be better jobs available next year. Oakland is a mess right now unless they could aquire Culpepper in some sort of trade which is doubtful right now so I would stay if I was him.
Culpepper and Moss reunited?
 
He should stay in Pittsburgh. Al keeps two former players as assistants and Wizzer would have no say if he wants them or not. The Raider gig, though loaded with talent, is a career killer.

 
When you're offered a HC job and increased salary you take it. Regardless of the situation, you can't pass that type of career move down. Sorry to the Steelers fans that are going to be sorry to see him go, but it's the right move for him. The Raiders have a crap load of talent, if he can put together the offense they'll be hard to beat next year.

 

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