tombonneau
Footballguy
I didn’t even know that. I think Gronk sucks up RZ looks and Miller is the third down guy leaving Godwin and Evans both lucky to be hovering in the WR10-15 range.Hot Sauce Guy said:
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Plant Your Flag - Your Player / Team / Situation for 2020 (3 Viewers)
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I'm going to clutch onto my tree trunk and say Fitz goes into Jerry Rice mode and feasts in the slot with NUK drawing the attention and sniffs 1000 yards.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
OK, I'll do one better.
1. The bears win the division and win the Super Bowl thanks to the unflappable Foles and a ferocious defense. In doing so, Chicago becomes one a handful of cities to celebrate a World Series championship and a Super Bowl championship in the same twelve month span (white sox will win it all)
2. Pittsburgh makes it to the Super Bowl.
3. Dak will finish the season as a top three QB.
4. The Packers won't make the playoffs.
5. CEH will be the most productive rookie RB and finish with over 1,300 total yards.
6. Aaron Rodgers will finish outside the top ten at QB, passing for fewer than 4,000 yards and less than 25 TDs.
7. The buccaneers won't make the playoffs.
How is Bucs hate becoming so fashionable?
They are absolutely stacked lol
I agree strongly on 6, 4 and 5 though.
1 I'll assume is just bias. I respect it though
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Guinness too much.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
- Marquise Brown finishes as top 10 WR.
- Dionte Johnson has better fantasy season than JJSS to finish as Pitt's top WR and a high end fantasy WR2.
- Chris Carson leads the NFL in rushing with 1,475 yards.
- Ian Thomas finishes just outside the Top 5 TEs to be a solid TE1 this season.
- Jacksonville's top rusher at the end of the season isn't currently on their roster.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The SB run may be possible but for fantasy purposes, many Steelers are gold this year. Look for lots of scoring and championship FF teams filled with Steelers including Conner, Ben, Johnson, JuJu, and the D.
Ive written off Fitz for age reasons for quite a few years now. At this point Ive given up trying to predict when his wheels completely fall off.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I love Kirk as a sleeper this year, but IMO it’ll go Nuk ~> Kirk ~> Fitz, and it’s possible Isabella leapfrogs Fitz.
Nothing against the dude. I like Fitz. But it just feels like this is the year time catches up with Fitz
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
From this topic & the ownership in the subscriber’s contest, I’m clearly in the minority on JJSS. Everyone else predicting a crash to earth.
Were Woodson’s comments about social media really that impactful?
i dunno - coach said JJSS is both more focused and having more fun than ever, and he spent the off-season with a personal trainer for the 1st time in his career.
I usually hunt for dudes in a contract year, too - and I know Roethlisberger likes to target him.
Makes me wonder how many of the JJSS haters had shares of him in 2019.
Were Woodson’s comments about social media really that impactful?
i dunno - coach said JJSS is both more focused and having more fun than ever, and he spent the off-season with a personal trainer for the 1st time in his career.
I usually hunt for dudes in a contract year, too - and I know Roethlisberger likes to target him.
Makes me wonder how many of the JJSS haters had shares of him in 2019.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
To be clear while I predicted Johnson to finish ahead of JJSS I think both should be fantasy contributors and put up over 1,000 yards.From this topic & the ownership in the subscriber’s contest, I’m clearly in the minority on JJSS. Everyone else predicting a crash to earth.
Were Woodson’s comments about social media really that impactful?
i dunno - coach said JJSS is both more focused and having more fun than ever, and he spent the off-season with a personal trainer for the 1st time in his career.
I usually hunt for dudes in a contract year, too - and I know Roethlisberger likes to target him.
Makes me wonder how many of the JJSS haters had shares of him in 2019.
ETA: I have no idea what Woodson’s comments were or even which Woodson we are talking about here.
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I-ROK
Footballguy
Dan Arnold is at least second in touchdowns received in Arizona
Tom Brady is a top 8 fantasy QB (I’m done predicting his demise! Even if I last did a few days ago)
Cam Newton does not make it to the end of the season as the starting QB for NE
Courtland Sutton is a top 10 WR
Preston Williams scores 10+ TD
JK Dobbins is the top fantasy point per game producer in Baltimore and of all rookie RBs
Murray is QB1
CEH doesn’t make the top 10rb ranks in fp/g
Gallup out performs Cooper in fp/g
Jake Luton has more wins than Minshew
Scotty Miller is a flex option by years end
Everyone knows who James Proche is by EOS
TJ Hockenson top 10 TE
Zeke is RB1
JuJu finishes as a WR2 and goes into his FA off-season like a lamb
Tom Brady is a top 8 fantasy QB (I’m done predicting his demise! Even if I last did a few days ago)
Cam Newton does not make it to the end of the season as the starting QB for NE
Courtland Sutton is a top 10 WR
Preston Williams scores 10+ TD
JK Dobbins is the top fantasy point per game producer in Baltimore and of all rookie RBs
Murray is QB1
CEH doesn’t make the top 10rb ranks in fp/g
Gallup out performs Cooper in fp/g
Jake Luton has more wins than Minshew
Scotty Miller is a flex option by years end
Everyone knows who James Proche is by EOS
TJ Hockenson top 10 TE
Zeke is RB1
JuJu finishes as a WR2 and goes into his FA off-season like a lamb
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wasn’t referring to you specifically. - JUJU being a fail is a theme of this topic.
Woodson started a Twitter beef with JJSS saying (paraphrasing) he “isn’t a WR1 in the NFL” and “only cares about being on social media”.
it was not well received criticism.
I-ROK
Footballguy
I figured I would pile on
I don’t have a whole lot of faith in the entire PIT offense. I know you have JuJu as your WR1 and it’s not a horrible bet, I just think he was more the product of his surrounding offense and is having troubles being the WR1 on his team. I think his ADP is about right where he should finish but I’m no expert
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Chicken & the egg - I took him as my WR1 because I believe he bounces back to 2018 form with Roethlisberger back & what seems to be a renewed focus on professional growth. And likely not a coincidence that comes in a contract year.I figured I would pile on
I don’t have a whole lot of faith in the entire PIT offense. I know you have JuJu as your WR1 and it’s not a horrible bet, I just think he was more the product of his surrounding offense and is having troubles being the WR1 on his team. I think his ADP is about right where he should finish but I’m no expert
i “planted my flag” for the same reason. Had I missed him in the draft I still would have planted this flag.
We’ll see what’s what on MNF when Big Ben steps back behind Center, but if I get ~100/~1000/~8 I’ll consider him a value for where he was taken at 3.03
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I-ROK
Footballguy
Yikes. But let’s look at this in context. JuJu is still very young and Woodson isn’t of his generation, which JuJus generation is all about social media and likes. JuJu was quick to stardom, maybe too quick, and might need to grow up a little. Maybe he’s learned. He certainly doesn’t come across as a bonehead without motivation to be a WR1. What I would be most worried about is someone that DOES have that motivation taking that spot from him. I don’t see anyone there that would. Maybe Johnson. I wasn’t a huge fan of his so he will probably be great.
yes I don’t think it’s a bad bet with Ben back and with some better surrounding cast at WR with Johnson. Johnson is the trendy off-season pickup for people so I’m not surprised to see him still being hyped. Between the two I’d take JuJu
FWIW I like JuJu at 3.03
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I get the “contract year” perception but I doubt it has any effect on a player’s stats in reality, especially a WR who’s production depends on many other factors.
In fact I can see where being in a contract year could hurt fantasy output as that player may sit out with a minor injury so as to not put himself (and his future contract) in jeopardy by turning it into a more serious injury.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Going into last season, I thought JuJu was about to become the next Michael Thomas. Maybe he would have with a healthy Ben. Or maybe he feasted early career on Antonio Clown's off coverage. I'm not quire sure any more. But beyond that new wrinkle of doubt, I have significant concern about Big Ben's ability to play a full 16 this year. This entire offense is probably way undervalued if Ben plays all season in his prior form. But if he flops or sits, they all do IMO - and I just couldn't justify betting on any of them whenever I had the chance (relative to their respective alternatives in every draft I found myself in).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I get it. All FF managers suffer from long memories & recency bias.
I am guilty of it myself and have missed on some value plays that should have been obvious to me.
Risk aversion is also a fair point.
I’ve followed the Roethlisberger updates - he said he’s been playing with elbow pain for 8+ years. For the first time in a decade he’s pain-free.
Juji was also banged up last year - it wasn’t just lacking a QB (though that didn’t help) - which he said is why he took the personal trainer route this season. He wants to avoid getting nicked up. Plus Conner getting hurt, very little production from the TE spot - PIT offense was a train wreck last year.
Lots of FF love for Dionte, which is normal, much like the JJSS love when Brown was WR1- IMO if Dionte can become a legitimate threat, it only makes life easier on JuJu.
Maybe I’m way off or reading the tea leaves wrong - it’s certainly possible. But all signs seem to point to a big year for an undervalued FF asset.
i vividly remember people drafting Juju last year with hopes of a Michael Thomas-esque season. Didn’t work out, but looking back just 1 short year before that & JJSS wasn’t too shabby.
people are reaching for AJG in the 5th & making David Johnson a 3rd round pick. DJ has a nice situation but he hasn’t done squat since 2016. Comparatively I think JJSS has a safer floor.
but I agree - it all depends on Big Ben to hold it together. He’s the secret sauce on the Pitsburger.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Maybe AB was the secret sauce on the Pittsburger? I am not convinced that JJSS can thrive as a WR1. IMO, he greatly benefited from having Brown taking the CB1 and /or drawing double coverage. Not everyone can go from Robin to Batman.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, I’ve seen a dozen FF writers speculate the same this off-season. It’s become a little bit of a hackneyed trope IMO.
So weird that literally no one had that concern headed into last season though, before Roethlisberger’s injury, and before JuJu’s injuries. Everyone had him pegged for an even bigger year with AB gone, and we’re talking about a dude who already put up monster numbers in 2018.
So I’m a little baffled about that presumption; other than knowing that FF expert writers often get bitter after a prediction burns them.
So far we’ve seen no proof that it’s true. This year, assuming good health from BB & JJSS, we’ll know what’s what. Which is nicely baked into JJSS’ ADP.
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Milkman
Footballguy
I called this before the season last year. Said Diontae Johnson would be Pittsburgh's #1 WR soon after they drafted him. Might still be wrong but the situation seems to be heading that way at this point.Yes, I’ve seen a dozen FF writers speculate the same this off-season. It’s become a little bit of a hackneyed trope IMO.
So weird that literally no one had that concern headed into last season though, before Roethlisberger’s injury, and before JuJu’s injuries. Everyone had him pegged for an even bigger year with AB gone, and we’re talking about a dude who already put up monster numbers in 2018.
So I’m a little baffled about that presumption; other than knowing that FF expert writers often get bitter after a prediction burns them.
So far we’ve seen no proof that it’s true. This year, assuming good health from BB & JJSS, we’ll know what’s what. Which is nicely baked into JJSS’ ADP.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If it does, good for JJSS since he thrived with AB as the WR1.
Anyway, it’s my flag & I planted it.
Milkman
Footballguy
Agreed it helps JJSS. I have no idea what you planted but if it's JuJu is going to have a resurgence of sorts and then be let go the Steelers I agree lol.If it does, good for JJSS since he thrived with AB as the WR1.
Anyway, it’s my flag & I planted it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I said the same thing last year, so that shoots down the "literally no one" sentiment. Certainly there is not much to point to one way or the other, but against NE last year, JJSS was mostly a non-factor and had 3 catches for 25 yards at halftime and then the Pats got up 30 points and really didn't care much. JuJu tacked on another 4 catches for another 50 or so yards in garbage time.Yes, I’ve seen a dozen FF writers speculate the same this off-season. It’s become a little bit of a hackneyed trope IMO.
So weird that literally no one has that concern headed into last season though, before Roethlisberger’s injury, and before JuJu’s injuries. Everyone had him pegged for an even bigger year with AB gone, and we’re talking about a dude who already put up monster numbers in 2018.
So I’m a little baffled about that presumption; other than knowing that FF expert writers often get bitter after a prediction burns them.
So far we’ve seen no proof that it’s true. This year, assuming good health from BB & JJSS, we’ll know what’s what. Which is nicely baked into JJSS’ ADP.
Certainly one game is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, but the Steelers scored a whopping 3 points with Ben and JJSS as the lead dog against NE. The PIT offense will certainly do better than that, but I am skeptical they will go back to the 5K+ juggernaut they were in 2018. And if their defense really is one of the tops in the league, they should not be anywhere near 675 passing attempts again.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s the topic title. “Plant your flag” - JJSS was my flag.
Don’t forget the
on that Pittsburger!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
you don’t write for FBG, CBS, or any of the other sites. I meant the experts in the context of that comment. But I would be interested in seeing what you said last year. Link?
Pittsburgh will throw the ball regardless of their defense IMO. It’s their identity and has been as long as Tomlin has been the coach. They had stout defenses before and still threw the ball a ton, so I’m not really buying that.
hey, we all have our takes my friend - that’s what makes this game challenging & exciting. One of us will be correct and the other (probably me) will be wildly incorrect.
Or it’ll be somewhere in between. One of the 3.
Milkman
Footballguy
We're all wrong all the time!you don’t write for FBG, CBS, or any of the other sites. I meant the experts in the context of that comment. But I would be interested in seeing what you said last year. Link?
Pittsburgh will throw the ball regardless of their defense IMO. It’s their identity and has been as long as Tomlin has been the coach. They had stout defenses before and still threw the ball a ton, so I’m not really buying that.
hey, we all have our takes my friend - that’s what makes this game challenging & exciting. One of us will be correct and the other (probably me) will be wildly incorrect.
Or it’ll be somewhere in between. One of the 3.
for where he is being drafted, ADP, the low price you have to pay, the round you can get him......
Mostert will provide the best value/ROI in 2020....
Mostert will provide the best value/ROI in 2020....
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Especially this year with no preseason whatsoever to evaluate from.
that’s gonna leave a bunch of us with egg on our faces for sure.
s’ok. I like eggs.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
While you are technically correct I don't CURRENTLY write for FBG, I did write for them for over 10 years . . . Whatever I said last year would be buried in a Shark Pool thread somewhere. As far as Ben goes, his Top 5 seasons in passing attempts are: 675, 608, 584, 561, 513. That also means he's had 10 other seasons LOWER than that. If you are setting the bar at 675 attempts again, I will take the under. As in WAY under. Like 100 attempts under.you don’t write for FBG, CBS, or any of the other sites. I meant the experts in the context of that comment. But I would be interested in seeing what you said last year. Link?
Pittsburgh will throw the ball regardless of their defense IMO. It’s their identity and has been as long as Tomlin has been the coach. They had stout defenses before and still threw the ball a ton, so I’m not really buying that.
hey, we all have our takes my friend - that’s what makes this game challenging & exciting. One of us will be correct and the other (probably me) will be wildly incorrect.
Or it’ll be somewhere in between. One of the 3.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, McKinnon will have a much bigger role than anyone is considering . . . mostly because so few people even remember he is still on the 49ers. From all accounts, he looks to be 100% and showing a lot of burst, speed, and elusiveness. He will probably be their third down / receiving specialist and can be had for free on the waiver wire in most leagues. Because of that, I think that dampers some enthusiasm on Mostert and therefor Mostert would not be a best value candidate.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I did not know that. #respect
I’ve been thinking it’d be somewhere in the Neighborhood of 580-600, so we’re not too far apart.
i don’t see why JJSS & Dionte can’t both have ~130 targets.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Eh. Niners fan here. I’ve been reminding people about McKinnon all offseason in this very forum.
i like McKinnon - he will very likely be a receiving back while Coleman is the COP/breather back.
Mostert is getting the veteran respect at camp from what I’ve read. He got Tuesday off practice to keep him fresh - only stretched & didn’t suit up, with no injury. He’s been the lead dog in practice too.
Coleman is kinda washed but Shanny loves him. McKinnon isn’t well suited to running between the tackles and I’m not sure how his twice repaired knee will hold up. Regardless I only see McKinnon hurting Mostert’s receptions, which he didn’t really have many of anyway.
on a team that runs as much as the Niners want to, I expect Mostert to get 15+ carries a week. He’s a fine flex player. Anything else (More than 15 carries, any receptions) is gravy.
Shanny is a “hot hand” guy - Mostert finished strong in 2019. Strong enough to get a pay raise. I tho he comes out of the gate hot & never looks back. He’s hungry to prove himself.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I wasn't planning on digging that deeply into the Steelers offense today, but here are a couple of things that I would wonder about out loud . . .
Ben has played in all 16 games once in the past 5 years. I certainly have no evidence to back this up, but I am guessing that 38 year olds coming off of elbow surgery probably are not great candidates to start going back to playing full seasons with regularity . . . but like I said, that's more of a guess than anything else. Dodds has him projected for 550 attempts.
I guess it depends on how involved the other guys will be. Dodds has Washington and Ebron being pretty active and thus allocated 83-1104-7 to JuJu (good for WR13). Off the top, he's probably someone in the pack of almost fantasy WR1's but decent fantasy WR2's. If he doesn't get as big of a target share, then he starts sliding in to the so-so WR2's (or god forbid a mostly fantasy starter but maybe more matchup dependent).
I really haven't been paying much attention to Ben's elbow, but I have seen several people pick the Steelers to go to the Super Bowl, so I am starting to get a little more curious about the Steelers.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That backfield is great for the team, terrible for fantasy - and this season like you said there's yet another mouth to feed. It will be Mostert one week, Coleman the next - with McKinnon taking passing game snaps from both.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All excellent info. I’m a little surprised by the Washington love - as I’d understood from a beat writer a few weeks ago, Washington was on the bubble for the final roster (which surprised the heck out of me, because Dionte was dealing with an injury at the time) - maybe it was motivational.
Honestly if I got those numbers from JuJu I’d be psyched.
If he’s that + 10%, even more-so.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same # of mouths to feed. One less, actually. Possibly 2.
they had Brieda and used Juszczyk in the passing game for lack of better receiving options. They really don’t want to use Juszczyk like that.
they also had Jeff Wilson and Alfred Morris.
Worth noting that Mostert straight beat out Brieda, (Mostert was rostered for his special teams ability) and turned Alf into an afterthought. Coleman couldn’t move the needle either & Juszczyk caught passes, as mentioned.
There are more than enough touches vacated for Mostert to be a solid FF player while McKinnon has flex appeal as the 3rd down/receiving back, freeing up Juszczyk to block more.
Just MO, but this is what most of the buzz has been locally.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I face the dude I off-season traded him to in Dynasty this week. Feel bad for the kid as I think he’s a star, but maybe dodged a bullet this weekend. He was picked one before me in redraft, too - I wanted him bad but took Ridley as a consolation prize.
hope he’s ok. Glad I might not face him this week.
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