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Plax 8 games suspension, excessive? (1 Viewer)
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It is interesting that no team has been interested even though Plax will likely not be tried until after the season. I see it as eight games is fairly short if he is able to play some in 2009. Now, in 2010, the trial should dictate his playing status. He could play eight games in 2009 and miss all of 2010. I guess we might see him sign with a wr-starved team if starting WRs continue to go down.
I call this insane. He must serve 8 games before even going to trial. With the 4 last year and this 8 and maybe going to jail, he will miss more games than a guy who kills a human being with his vehicle and almost as much as a guy who runs a gambling ring and kills dogs for pleasure if he does go to jail. And all this for just shooting himself.
Goodall is so damn inconsistent IMO.
Goodall is so damn inconsistent IMO.
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puckalicious
Footballguy
You make it sound like Plax was just hanging out in his back yard and decided to shoot himself. He was in a crowded public place and illegally carrying an unlicensed, loaded firearm with the safety off in the waistband of his pants (not even a proper holster). He very nearly shot the security guard/bouncer next to his table so good thing his leg was in the way. It was the height of irresponsibility in a city with very tough gun laws, ignorance is no excuse.Vick served his time and he's back. Stallworth's light sentence I think was pretty dependent on the fact the victim shared some blame for his own death, but I still think he should have served more time than just 24 days. Many crimes where nobody dies or is hurt require much more jail time than that.
fatness
Footballguy
Teams have likely not been interested because they're waiting to see what kind of suspension he'll get (which would certainly affect contract offers). By floating the rumor of the 8-game suspension Goodell can keep him out of the league without suspending him. Seems a bit manipulative to me. If he's going to be suspended just do it. Then there's the other rumor that Goodell wants a longer suspension for Burress because he did not plead guilty. If that one's true it's beyond manipulative and gets into interfering with the justice system.
puckalicious
Footballguy
That's a bit of a stretch IMO. Making a decision based on the result of a courtroom decision may make Goodell out be a weasel but it doesn't even come close actual interference. Now if he had commented to the media before the guilty plea that would be a completely different scenario, which he didn't.
MaddHatter
Footballguy
Burress should have just stomped on someone's facing while wearing spikes.
That would have yearned him just a 5-game suspension.
That would have yearned him just a 5-game suspension.
Ned
Footballguy
It's pretty clear he doesn't get it if he sees it as 'just shooting himself'.And didn't Stallworth get suspended for the whole year?I don't think Goodell can suspend him until he's actually employed by a team.Gary Myers, IIRC, was the first one that reported it was 8 games. Plax or his agent, need to know so they can let teams know just how long he'll be out.
I hear you guys but if there's an instance where the law punishes a player enough I think this is it. First, he inadvertently punished himself, for his gross irresponsibility, with a leg wound. Surely he had to rehab and gain strength in the leg too. The DA seems to be all "hell bent" on making an example of him and getting a more severe punishment. IMO I think it's enough.See I figure if the DA wins and he spends 3-5 in jail, his career is over by the time he's out. Teams are not signing a 30+ year old WR that hasn't played in 3 years because he was in jail. I feel like if that's the case, just let him play this last year.
I do understand that taking their age into account is a real slippery slope but, again, the guy did this to himself and didn't hurt others.
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Phurfur
Footballguy
Well Plax is draggig this thing out himself. He could have taken the plea and this would all be over. I mean. it's not like the guy is innocent.
RC94
Footballguy
It's pretty clear he doesn't get it if he sees it as 'just shooting himself'.And didn't Stallworth get suspended for the whole year?
Stallworth did get an entire year and it's no guarantee he will be allowed back next year either so Burress is not getting more time than him. More importantly, this is not a case of shooting himself in the leg. In fact that really has nothing to do with it. It's about exactly what Puck is saying.
RC94
Footballguy
How has the law punished him so far? He hasn't even had a trial yet so I am really curious how you leap to that conclusion. Also, if the DA was hell bent on making an example out of him, he would be going for 15 years not 3 years in jail. The DA wants to make sure he spends the manditory minimum. How exactly is that making an example out of him???
sholditch
Footballguy
so is the eight game suspension official or what?
just found it:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/15/report-...ame-suspension/
The odds of Plaxico Burress signing with an NFL team for the 2009 season seem to be getting longer by the day. Beyond the legal issues, potential chemistry disruption and questions about what playing shape Plax is in, the threat of a lengthy NFL suspension looms for any franchise even considering Burress as an option.
Makes it seem he's less likely to get signed. Writer makes a good point that for the distraction to be worth it, the team would have to still be in it by week 9.
just found it:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/15/report-...ame-suspension/
The odds of Plaxico Burress signing with an NFL team for the 2009 season seem to be getting longer by the day. Beyond the legal issues, potential chemistry disruption and questions about what playing shape Plax is in, the threat of a lengthy NFL suspension looms for any franchise even considering Burress as an option.
Makes it seem he's less likely to get signed. Writer makes a good point that for the distraction to be worth it, the team would have to still be in it by week 9.
i kno this comparison is of two different things...but remember when the jets safety got suspended for his hit on anquan boldin...i remember all the talking heads said the suspension was unfair because they based it on the result of the hit and not actually the 'legality" of the hit...meaning if boldin did not break his face, the jets player likely would not have been suspended. i think people were up in arms about this...so i think you cant have it both ways...tthe result of what plax did was really bad man...brought a loaded gun with the safety off into a niteclub...imagine how bad it could have been...i think goodell punished the action and not the result...i think its perfectly fair...full disclosure...i think the stallworth suspension was too low and i think the Vick suspension is excessive.
RC94
Footballguy
You can't suspend someone who isn't in the NFL. The suspension only applies if he is under contract. It's not a catch 22.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
It's not inconsistent at all. Vick was suspended indefinitely in 2007. Burress will reportedly be suspended for 8 games. Both players were suspended before any jail sentences were announced, so you can't include jail time as part of the suspension.Burress may not go to trial until 2010. He could play in 8 games this year, then go to jail next year, then return to the NFL and never miss another game.
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gregjcross
Footballguy
Few would give Burress the benefit of the doubt considering hwo the guy carries himself the past few years, especially not the NFL commissioner.
Adebisi
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
this situation is just funny to me. i mean, how embarrassing. the dude is carrying a gun to protect himself and shoots himself in the leg. almost natural selection at its finest!i dont know if he should be suspended of 8 games, but he should be punished how joe blow would be punished. and that will prolly be jail time.
The law hasn't done anything yet, you know that so I'm not sure what that's about.Stars get away with stuff all the time, get made examples of etc. A short time ago there was a chart rolling about with the average time NYers spend in jail on this charge and it wasn't near 3 years. Granted the article also pointed out that the unlicensed handgun is usually the lesser charge involved and it usually involves more serious gun crimes like murder, attempted murder, selling guns etc. but ...yeah after all I've read I believe he's making an example of Plax.
I do also believe that's his (DA's) prerogative and that NY needs to find a way to control guns used for bad deeds so...I have no objection at all to the DAs actions.
I have been "all over" Plax for missing so much practice time and can probably go back to some stuff he did in pittsburgh so I'm soooo not his biggest fan. IMO the bottom line is he shot himself in the leg and now has one year left in his career, this year. If there's no trial this year, let him play.
This is nothing compared to Leonard Little or Donte or (IIRC) Mercury.
The making it rain incident had way more negative issues.
Not as bad as that college player that was a wife beater.
Not as bad as that college kid that robbed a store or the one that car jacked someone.
It's surely not as bad as those players that don't support their kids and irresponsibly +immaturely think it's almost a joke they "knocked someone up."
Eight weeks is too much, it seems more than any precedent but with no precedent of gun crimes I'm solely speaking of the severity of his actions and whom was affected. I absolutely believe that plenty of professional sports players bring guns (hidden somewhere) to events where they might be concerned for their safety. I do not in anyway think Plax was the first or will be the last.
I'd rather not discuss gun laws because it's not an easy subject. I believe it's very different in rural communities than in big cities and that many theories on the law don't "fly" well in both places.
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massraider
Footballguy
I am surprised there aren't more desperate teams, that could use a #1 WR.Why not sign the guy? Let him serve his 8 game suspension, then come in and help you in the 2nd half of the season. Bears??
RC94
Footballguy
You said "if there's an instance where the law punishes a player enough I think this is it." How can that possibly be the case if the law hasn't punished him at all?? And he didn't get a year like Stallworth and Little's incident's happened with a different commish with different policies. I think Little should be out of the NFL, but that is besides the point. Neither have anything to do with Plax. They are all completely different cases so comparing them or parts of them (like "severity of his actions and whom was affected") is irrelevant. Additionally, even if other pro athletes carry weapons, how does that make what Plax did ok? Even if it's true, which you have no proof that it is, two wrongs don't make a right. Plax is not being made an example of if they are only seeking the mandatory minimum and willing to let him plead to even less, which they are. They would be if they were pursuing the maximum penalties, but that is clearly not the case here.
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