Plax to Chicago ? (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

That's some radio talk I was hearing this morning. With Plax likely not standign trial until the season is over and more than likely being eligible some team is now going to pick him up and rumor at least here is that team WONT be NYJ but the Bears instead. Bears I guess want to give Cutler a legit target.

What is the value of Plax in Chicago? IMO -- 75 - 1050 - 9 with 85 - 1250 - 11 as ceiling and 50 - 750 - 5 as the floor.

thoughts?

 

[gianmarco]

This would have some HUGE implications, IMO.

--Would bump Cutler significantly

--Would downgrade Hester and/or Bennett (even though both don't have a ton of value just yet)

--I don't see any way Forte approaches the # of touches he had last year

--Would LOVE this for Olsen

 

[Banger]

Agree as usual with Gianmarco. This would be a great boost for Cutler as his main issue is having a quality wideout to throw to.

Aside from the fantasy POV, all the legal/drama issues excluded, this would really make the Bears a tougher offense to defend and a better all around team. You saw what happened to the Giants last year in the 2nd half when Plax was gone. He may be a knucklehead but he's a beast to try and cover and draws tons of attention, especially in the red zone.

 

[FUBAR]

This would have some HUGE implications, IMO.

--Would bump Cutler significantly

--Would downgrade Hester and/or Bennett (even though both don't have a ton of value just yet)

--I don't see any way Forte approaches the # of touches he had last year

--Would LOVE this for Olsen

Because his TDs would increase or coverage would open for him? He wouldn't be the primary target like he should be now. Either way, I think we'll see Knox in the slot by mid-season if not before, my only question is whether Hester or Bennett would start or rotate.

 

[gianmarco]

This would have some HUGE implications, IMO.

--Would bump Cutler significantly

--Would downgrade Hester and/or Bennett (even though both don't have a ton of value just yet)

--I don't see any way Forte approaches the # of touches he had last year

--Would LOVE this for Olsen

Because his TDs would increase or coverage would open for him? He wouldn't be the primary target like he should be now. Either way, I think we'll see Knox in the slot by mid-season if not before, my only question is whether Hester or Bennett would start or rotate.

Both, I think, but not as much for the TD increase. I think the coverage portion would be the biggest reason. While I do like Hester, he has a ways to go to demand the attention that Plax would. I think the TD increase would be modest, if at all, but would make them much more difficult to defend in the RZ. I think Forte/Bennett/Hester are the big losers if this happens. Especially Forte.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like radio talking head to me.

But to be serious, cant Plax be suspeneded as soon as he signs the contract?

Doesnt he go back to court in September? I know the judge will probably push it back again.

 

[Gopher State]

sounds like radio talking head to me.But to be serious, cant Plax be suspeneded as soon as he signs the contract? ** I heard this also 6 games is the rumor, and the commish doesn't have to wait for the trialDoesnt he go back to court in September? I know the judge will probably push it back again.**correct also, he could go to jail as soon as October, or stand trial in 2010

 

[saintfool]

sounds like radio talking head to me.But to be serious, cant Plax be suspeneded as soon as he signs the contract? Doesnt he go back to court in September? I know the judge will probably push it back again.

Peter King touched on this with his MMQB column yesterday. He said that Goodell's m.o has been to wait until all of the legal proceedings are over before he hands out fines and or suspensions.

 

[VTjkru]

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sounds like radio talking head to me.But to be serious, cant Plax be suspeneded as soon as he signs the contract? Doesnt he go back to court in September? I know the judge will probably push it back again.

Peter King touched on this with his MMQB column yesterday. He said that Goodell's m.o has been to wait until all of the legal proceedings are over before he hands out fines and or suspensions.

Is this totally true? seems to me that Pacman and marshall (they are repeat offenders though) got suspended just from being arrested. Plax was suspened by the NYG not the leaue IIRC least year

 

[Phurfur]

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

I am sick of people saying it was a mistake when someone breaks the law. This was a conscience decision on his part, it was no mistake because he did it intentionally and he knew it was against the law. Jeez!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

I am sick of people saying it was a mistake when someone breaks the law. This was a conscience decision on his part, it was no mistake because he did it intentionally and he knew it was against the law. Jeez!

extactly it wasnt a mistake that he put the gun in his pocket and walked into a bar.That fact that it discharged was a mistake, and thats how he got caught but oh well.

 

[VTjkru]

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

I am sick of people saying it was a mistake when someone breaks the law. This was a conscience decision on his part, it was no mistake because he did it intentionally and he knew it was against the law. Jeez!

Yeah, I should rephrase that. He broke the law and he knew it. I just dont think it's that big of a deal, I know I know..slippery slope arguments.Much like I dont care about speeding, jaywalking, etc etc. Victimless petty crimes.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

I am sick of people saying it was a mistake when someone breaks the law. This was a conscience decision on his part, it was no mistake because he did it intentionally and he knew it was against the law. Jeez!

Yeah, I should rephrase that. He broke the law and he knew it. I just dont think it's that big of a deal, I know I know..slippery slope arguments.Much like I dont care about speeding, jaywalking, etc etc. Victimless petty crimes.

Firing a loaded gun in a public bar should not be mentioned in the same sentence as speeding and j-walking.

 

[saintfool]

Is this totally true? seems to me that Pacman and marshall (they are repeat offenders though) got suspended just from being arrested.

this is from CNNSI sports law columnist...

Plus, Goodell has normally waited for the disposition of players' legal woes before imposing a punishment. He waited for Michael Vick's guilty plea in 2007, for instance, and did the same for Tank Johnson, who pled guilty to misdemeanor weapon charges, also in 2007. Likewise, Goodell declined to sanction Randy Moss in January 2008 after a restraining order was issued against him. Although he is not obligated to adopt a "presumption of innocence" standard when sanctioning players, Goodell has generally done so.

linkHe does acknowledge later in the column that Pacman was dealt with differently. He writes...

In addition, Goodell has not always waited until the final disposition of a player's legal troubles. Recall that he suspended the often-arrested Pacman Jones in 2007 even though Jones had not yet been convicted of related charges. Although Jones' criminal problems were numerous, and more diverse and serious when compared to Burress' alleged crime, Goodell premised his punishment of Jones on protecting the integrity of the game, asserting that Jones had "brought embarrassment and ridicule upon [him]self, [his] club, and the NFL, and has damaged the reputation of players throughout the league."

 

[VTjkru]

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Chicago Bears have placed a call to the agent for free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants), Drew Rosenhaus.

 

[The Moz]

Looking like Plax to Chicago might indeed have legs. Plax becomes a top 25 WR - re draft - with top 12 potential. Cutler is also better than any QB he has played for.. as well as Cutler and Burress would both be new so he might really click with Plax.

 

[Avery]

That's some radio talk I was hearing this morning. With Plax likely not standign trial until the season is over and more than likely being eligible some team is now going to pick him up and rumor at least here is that team WONT be NYJ but the Bears instead. Bears I guess want to give Cutler a legit target.

What is the value of Plax in Chicago? IMO -- 75 - 1050 - 9 with 85 - 1250 - 11 as ceiling and 50 - 750 - 5 as the floor.

thoughts?

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Looking like Plax to Chicago might indeed have legs. Plax becomes a top 25 WR - re draft - with top 12 potential. Cutler is also better than any QB he has played for.. as well as Cutler and Burress would both be new so he might really click with Plax.

Legal/league problems would be the only reason for Plax to slide in fantasy drafts if he signs with Chicago. (Also, missing so much time - haven't heard whether he's in shape.) But talent-wise I think he's still around the 8th or 9th best WR, and he would have the strong arm throwing to him that Manning lacked in windy home games.Seems kinda too good to be true for Chicago, but who knows.

 

[twistd]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

The person who has been saying Plax wouldn't get suspended, or have to do jail time, is his own lawyer. New York law is very harsh on weapons charges. I think he will do jail time. Now, they may be able to delay the trial until after the season, but I can't imagine any team making a move on Plax until after the Grand Jury is convened.

 

[Avery]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

Yeah.So where does this " likely not standing trial until the season is over" talk in this thread come from?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Shooting yourself in the nuts should count as time served anyway.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

Yeah.So where does this " likely not standing trial until the season is over" talk in this thread come from?

It comes from his lawyer saying that he will try to get another ajournment until after the 2009 season

 

[The Moz]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

Yeah.So where does this " likely not standing trial until the season is over" talk in this thread come from?

It comes from his lawyer saying that he will try to get another ajournment until after the 2009 season

It is not just his lawyer saying this -- pretty much everyone is saying theres almost no way unless the judge has an axe to grind will Plax have to stand trial until sometime in 2010. Bears know this and are as of right now scurrying to get him..

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I thought it was just adjourned until September?

"Updated, 1:37 p.m. | The weapons-possession case against the former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress was adjourned on Monday until Sept. 23.Prosecutors and Mr. Burress’s defense lawyers have not been able to reach a plea agreement, making it likely that the case will be presented to a grand jury sometime between now and September, Mr. Burress’s chief defense lawyer said. "

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...ress&st=cse

Yeah.So where does this " likely not standing trial until the season is over" talk in this thread come from?

It comes from his lawyer saying that he will try to get another ajournment until after the 2009 season

It is not just his lawyer saying this -- pretty much everyone is saying theres almost no way unless the judge has an axe to grind will Plax have to stand trial until sometime in 2010. Bears know this and are as of right now scurrying to get him..

Plax and his attourney also know that the longer they delay a ruling the lesser chance he has of serving jail time. As long as he stays out of any sort of trouble, goes to work minds his own business and has a positive year it will all increase his chances of avoiding jail and will be used in his favor. Now Burress obvioulsy has made some terrible choices before (as he did that night) so who knows.

 

[Gopher State]

quote name='VTjkru' date='Jun 16 2009, 09:41 AM' post='10454211']

Will Goodell suspend him? He's already served five games and he doesnt have much of a history at all. This was more of a bonehead mistake rather than a premeditated criminal act.

Having a LOADED gun in a bar, is more then a bonehead mistake, to most it is a criminal act, what if he had shot someone else?

Goodell will suspend him this year, I guessing 4 to 6 games, you have to send a message to the other gun carrying players right?

 

[Ray_T]

Having a LOADED gun in a bar, is more then a bonehead mistake, to most it is a criminal act, what if he had shot someone else?

Goodell will suspend him this year, I guessing 4 to 6 games, you have to send a message to the other gun carrying players right?

Yeah, it's criminal that someone can be so stupid as to carry a loaded weapon into a bar full of people. I am assuming the fact that that weapon went off that the safety was off (which is also stupid)

I think the fact that he put lives at risk as a result of his stupidity will count for something.

I think 6-8 games minimum.

 

[Banger]

Yeah, it's criminal that someone can be so stupid as to carry a loaded weapon into a bar full of people. I am assuming the fact that that weapon went off that the safety was off (which is also stupid)I think the fact that he put lives at risk as a result of his stupidity will count for something.I think 6-8 games minimum.

at the end of the day is it more dangerous than drunken driving?

 

[Moniker]

Yeah, it's criminal that someone can be so stupid as to carry a loaded weapon into a bar full of people. I am assuming the fact that that weapon went off that the safety was off (which is also stupid)I think the fact that he put lives at risk as a result of his stupidity will count for something.I think 6-8 games minimum.

at the end of the day is it more dangerous than drunken driving?

They're both dangerous and stupid.

 

[Ray_T]

Yeah, it's criminal that someone can be so stupid as to carry a loaded weapon into a bar full of people. I am assuming the fact that that weapon went off that the safety was off (which is also stupid)I think the fact that he put lives at risk as a result of his stupidity will count for something.I think 6-8 games minimum.

at the end of the day is it more dangerous than drunken driving?

They're both dangerous and stupid.

no question about that one.

 

[RedZone]

Not a lawyer, and laws vary by state obviously, but even had Burress been granted a CCW (concealed carry weapons) permit, there are a few restrictions that are nearly universal that weaken his defense.

It violates the terms of a CCW to carry a weapon under the influence of alcohol (and I would assume illicit drugs). I don't recall if Burress had been drinking or not, but being in a nightclub certainly would have provided cause for having a blood alcohol test performed.

Carrying concealed is widely accepted in most states, and unfortunately, the requirements for obtaining a permit are fairly lax. There is little on gunmanship, tactical use, concealed draw, etc. I know one friend who got a CCW in Florida recently and it was a 30 minute class and he said the pass was not shooting the instructor. Many people feel inappropriately confident from using a gun at a range and tend to draw a weapon with a finger in the trigger guard, which leads to a misfire, ala Plaxico.

There was no malice in the misfire, but the fact that something caused him to feel threatened enough to draw a weapon remains unclear. I can't recall the details of the event, did a fight break out or gunfire?

Shame that role models still choose to publicly socialize in sites affiliated with gang or random violence. I don't agree with a severe prosecutory sentence but he certainly should be required to do some public service announcements, provide for civil damages to the club, and be forced to relocate his weapons to a state where he can legally maintain them.

Surely, he could afford an executive security consultant who is licensed to carry. Why don't more of these guys have professional drivers and security, like Lynch, Tank, etc?

 

[VTjkru]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

see ya.Dude is going to have to do the time beforeany talk of reinstatement, it will be a long timebefore Plax wears an NFL uniform, imo.

 

[Sweet Love]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

see ya.Dude is going to have to do the time beforeany talk of reinstatement, it will be a long timebefore Plax wears an NFL uniform, imo.

This is my own opinion, but I feel Plax is getting unfairly lumped in with Stallworth and Vick due to the timing of his incident and the reaction that the Giants had by suspending and outright cutting him. Understand, I am a flaming liberal, hate guns and see no reason for people to won them...but I also realize that some feel they need it and while what he did was against the law, he ended up doing no harm to others. If Stallworth got in a DUI accident and broke his leg, he would be reinstated or subject to a small suspension by now...but he didn't, he killed another man and is facing the consequences. Regardless of what COULD HAVE happened, all plax did was discharge a gun in his own leg (lol). I can understand a suspension by Goodell, but not the drama surrounding it, by having to "analyze the situation and repercussions". Give the man his 4-8 games and let him move on.

 

[fatness]

Jason Cole

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is leaning toward indefinitely suspending former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress(notes)

His refusal to accept jail time as part of a plea bargain in the case that resulted in a self-inflicted gun wound and could be punishable by as much as 3½ years has irritated Goodell and others within the NFL, according to the league source.

So Burress is going to be punished by the league for not pleading guilty?What?

I think Goodell will be overstepping if he suspends Burress for that reason. Unless there's some compelling reason one guy in the NFL front office should be dictating how criminal trials turn out.

The players aren't too happy either.

Though the happy talk from the NFL is that the personal conduct policy is working (Donte Stallworth's victim notwithstanding, I guess), the players are not terribly comfortable with a system that has no specific rules and has no neutral arbiter.

According to the NFL Players Association, league discipline is going to be an issue in the upcoming labor talks:

League discipline is appealed to the NFL Commissioner or his appointee, and it is not likely that the league is going to disagree with itself when appeals are heard. It is clear from our ongoing team meetings that players see league discipline as becoming more and more excessive, and that the best way to address the problem is to insist that the next CBA require neutral arbitration for league discipline as well.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

see ya.Dude is going to have to do the time before

any talk of reinstatement, it will be a long time

before Plax wears an NFL uniform, imo.

This is my own opinion, but I feel Plax is getting unfairly lumped in with Stallworth and Vick due to the timing of his incident and the reaction that the Giants had by suspending and outright cutting him. Understand, I am a flaming liberal, hate guns and see no reason for people to won them...but I also realize that some feel they need it and while what he did was against the law, he ended up doing no harm to others. If Stallworth got in a DUI accident and broke his leg, he would be reinstated or subject to a small suspension by now...but he didn't, he killed another man and is facing the consequences. Regardless of what COULD HAVE happened, all plax did was discharge a gun in his own leg in a public night club (lol). I can understand a suspension by Goodell, but not the drama surrounding it, by having to "analyze the situation and repercussions". Give the man his 4-8 games and let him move on.

fixed and discharging a weapon in public is a crime, even if you dont hit anyone, especially in NYC. Not to mention I dont think he had a permit in that state to carry the weapon

 

[VTjkru]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

see ya.Dude is going to have to do the time before

any talk of reinstatement, it will be a long time

before Plax wears an NFL uniform, imo.

This is my own opinion, but I feel Plax is getting unfairly lumped in with Stallworth and Vick due to the timing of his incident and the reaction that the Giants had by suspending and outright cutting him. Understand, I am a flaming liberal, hate guns and see no reason for people to won them...but I also realize that some feel they need it and while what he did was against the law, he ended up doing no harm to others. If Stallworth got in a DUI accident and broke his leg, he would be reinstated or subject to a small suspension by now...but he didn't, he killed another man and is facing the consequences. Regardless of what COULD HAVE happened, all plax did was discharge a gun in his own leg in a public night club (lol). I can understand a suspension by Goodell, but not the drama surrounding it, by having to "analyze the situation and repercussions". Give the man his 4-8 games and let him move on.

fixed and discharging a weapon in public is a crime, even if you dont hit anyone, especially in NYC. Not to mention I dont think he had a permit in that state to carry the weapon

 

[VTjkru]

Not to diminish the tragic death of Steve McNair but does anyone think this might affect the way Goodell and the NFL views it's players carrying firearms? I am sure once time has passed that players will be using it as a defense and Goodell will have to spin this correctly as to still sound empathetic.

 

[Bri]

Not to diminish the tragic death of Steve McNair but does anyone think this might affect the way Goodell and the NFL views it's players carrying firearms? I am sure once time has passed that players will be using it as a defense and Goodell will have to spin this correctly as to still sound empathetic.

This will be a touchy subject I'm sure. He was a dope that shot himself and that's ...just dopey. Gun control proponents probably want guns out of the hands of dopes, wouldn't you think? It was an unlicensed handgun but was it bought from some shady street corner guy or bought legally and he was just lazy about licensing it? I think there's a dramatic difference between the two.Did he punish himself for his own dopey actions? Q-if your kid was playing with a knife and cut his finger off;when you returned from having it stitched back on at the hospital, would you punish your kid for playing with a knife after you told him not to?Maybe maybe there's questions about how to judge Plax, then Steve McNair gets shot. 3(or 4?) NFL players died from gunshot wounds last year and McNair's killing stirs up those thoughts too. Then here is this NFL player behaving carelessly with a gun. I think at that point Plax is going to be suspended for a long long time. However Goodell seems to be a bright man that can behave pretty well in a judge-like role. I think he'll clear his head on his trip to Mt. Ranier and just judge Plax on Plax when he returns. After, maybe he gets with the NFLPA and they work up some of their own gun laws/rules for players.(not that I would agree with that but it wouldn't surprise me) There's no question the NFL needs to take a stand on gun control but, Plax's event happened long before McNair's death and one player shouldn't be a scapegoat.

 

[VTjkru]

Not to diminish the tragic death of Steve McNair but does anyone think this might affect the way Goodell and the NFL views it's players carrying firearms? I am sure once time has passed that players will be using it as a defense and Goodell will have to spin this correctly as to still sound empathetic.

This will be a touchy subject I'm sure. He was a dope that shot himself and that's ...just dopey. Gun control proponents probably want guns out of the hands of dopes, wouldn't you think? It was an unlicensed handgun but was it bought from some shady street corner guy or bought legally and he was just lazy about licensing it? I think there's a dramatic difference between the two.Did he punish himself for his own dopey actions? Q-if your kid was playing with a knife and cut his finger off;when you returned from having it stitched back on at the hospital, would you punish your kid for playing with a knife after you told him not to?Maybe maybe there's questions about how to judge Plax, then Steve McNair gets shot. 3(or 4?) NFL players died from gunshot wounds last year and McNair's killing stirs up those thoughts too. Then here is this NFL player behaving carelessly with a gun. I think at that point Plax is going to be suspended for a long long time. However Goodell seems to be a bright man that can behave pretty well in a judge-like role. I think he'll clear his head on his trip to Mt. Ranier and just judge Plax on Plax when he returns. After, maybe he gets with the NFLPA and they work up some of their own gun laws/rules for players.(not that I would agree with that but it wouldn't surprise me) There's no question the NFL needs to take a stand on gun control but, Plax's event happened long before McNair's death and one player shouldn't be a scapegoat.

Oh I share a lot of the same thoughts you have, it's just that you know it's going to be a point of discussion and was wondering where it will go.

 

[Bri]

VTjkru, I think he'll play in 09 but miss some time

 

[Dancing Bear]

I don't believe that Plax plays a single down anytime this year or next!

First of all, in the state of NY you MUST go through an extensive firearms class to get a permit to own. Then your permit MUST explicitly reference a firearm/ store that you are going to buy it from if the permit is granted! There is no way he forgot anything. He bought a gun illegally and IMHO the state of NY will not let this go!

He will serve time and pay for his crime!

 

[Dancing Bear]

Q-if your kid was playing with a knife and cut his finger off;when you returned from having it stitched back on at the hospital, would you punish your kid for playing with a knife after you told him not to?

Without reservation, my child would be succinctly spoken to about breaking the rules, and yes they would also receive the requisite punishment!

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I don't believe that Plax plays a single down anytime this year or next!

First of all, in the state of NY you MUST go through an extensive firearms class to get a permit to own. Then your permit MUST explicitly reference a firearm/ store that you are going to buy it from if the permit is granted! There is no way he forgot anything. He bought a gun illegally and IMHO the state of NY will not let this go!

He will serve time and pay for his crime!

Did he?I thought his gun was licensed in florida and had just recently expired?

How many gun cases in NY have been similar to Burress?

I mean you have a high profile athlete who had a gun that was recently registered in a different state and accidentally shot himself in the leg. Is this really dumb? Hell Yes! Do I think that he deserves to go to jail and serve time? Absolutely not. I think a better punishement would be to make him attend gun courses and talk to kids about the dangers of guns. He should also never be allowed to own a gun in the State of NY again, and he should also pay a hefty fine. I think that will serve as a much better rehibilitation to himself and the kids he would be talking to. I don't see Burress as someone harmful to the community and someone that we need to fear and lock up.

I think a fair punishement would be 4-6 games from the NFL.

 

[Sweet Love]

Looking like Goodell will lay down the hammer and suspend Plax before the trial even begins. Can that be appealed?

dont you have to be in the league under contract to appeal? Buh Bye Plax

see ya.Dude is going to have to do the time before

any talk of reinstatement, it will be a long time

before Plax wears an NFL uniform, imo.

This is my own opinion, but I feel Plax is getting unfairly lumped in with Stallworth and Vick due to the timing of his incident and the reaction that the Giants had by suspending and outright cutting him. Understand, I am a flaming liberal, hate guns and see no reason for people to won them...but I also realize that some feel they need it and while what he did was against the law, he ended up doing no harm to others. If Stallworth got in a DUI accident and broke his leg, he would be reinstated or subject to a small suspension by now...but he didn't, he killed another man and is facing the consequences. Regardless of what COULD HAVE happened, all plax did was discharge a gun in his own leg in a public night club (lol). I can understand a suspension by Goodell, but not the drama surrounding it, by having to "analyze the situation and repercussions". Give the man his 4-8 games and let him move on.

fixed and discharging a weapon in public is a crime, even if you dont hit anyone, especially in NYC. Not to mention I dont think he had a permit in that state to carry the weapon

I understand it was against the law which is why I brought it up in my post. But people are failing to realize that there are many levels for each crime and the punishment should fit the crime. If he got caught with an unlicensed gun, his punishment should be less severe than if he shot himself, which should be less severe if he shot someone else, and so on. I just don't see how you give a guy a full year suspension for what he did. He could possibly get more jail time than Stallworth (which is a joke) and I think maybe a four game suspension should do it. It is my opinion, but I think they are making a mountain out of a molehill in this case.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I don't believe that Plax plays a single down anytime this year or next!

First of all, in the state of NY you MUST go through an extensive firearms class to get a permit to own. Then your permit MUST explicitly reference a firearm/ store that you are going to buy it from if the permit is granted! There is no way he forgot anything. He bought a gun illegally and IMHO the state of NY will not let this go!

He will serve time and pay for his crime!

Did he?I thought his gun was licensed in florida and had just recently expired?

How many gun cases in NY have been similar to Burress?

I mean you have a high profile athlete who had a gun that was recently registered in a different state and accidentally shot himself in the leg. Is this really dumb? Hell Yes! Do I think that he deserves to go to jail and serve time? Absolutely not. I think a better punishement would be to make him attend gun courses and talk to kids about the dangers of guns. He should also never be allowed to own a gun in the State of NY again, and he should also pay a hefty fine. I think that will serve as a much better rehibilitation to himself and the kids he would be talking to. I don't see Burress as someone harmful to the community and someone that we need to fear and lock up.

I think a fair punishement would be 4-6 games from the NFL.

Fair punishment is the same you or I would get. And he will get his... Then the NFL will stick it to him... I have zero doubt he gets suspended min a year and serves atleast 6 mo in jail. I also think he gets very low offers once those requirements are over... He's done.

 

[Avery]

I don't believe that Plax plays a single down anytime this year or next!

First of all, in the state of NY you MUST go through an extensive firearms class to get a permit to own. Then your permit MUST explicitly reference a firearm/ store that you are going to buy it from if the permit is granted! There is no way he forgot anything. He bought a gun illegally and IMHO the state of NY will not let this go!

He will serve time and pay for his crime!

Did he?I thought his gun was licensed in florida and had just recently expired?

How many gun cases in NY have been similar to Burress?

I mean you have a high profile athlete who had a gun that was recently registered in a different state and accidentally shot himself in the leg. Is this really dumb? Hell Yes! Do I think that he deserves to go to jail and serve time? Absolutely not. I think a better punishement would be to make him attend gun courses and talk to kids about the dangers of guns. He should also never be allowed to own a gun in the State of NY again, and he should also pay a hefty fine. I think that will serve as a much better rehibilitation to himself and the kids he would be talking to. I don't see Burress as someone harmful to the community and someone that we need to fear and lock up.

I think a fair punishement would be 4-6 games from the NFL.

Fair punishment is the same you or I would get. And he will get his... Then the NFL will stick it to him... I have zero doubt he gets suspended min a year and serves atleast 6 mo in jail. I also think he gets very low offers once those requirements are over... He's done.

As a first time offender being arrested for possessing an unregistered gun in NYC not used in the act of committed a violent crime (accidently shooting yourself in the leg does not qualify) he would have likely been offered a plea without any jail time.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I would bet pretty much anything that he will get a lighter jail sentence than you or I.

Probably a whole season suspension though.