Plaxico Burress (1 Viewer)

[tuttiface]

"Several players expressed a lot of optimism about WR Plaxico Burress' legal situation. Umenyiora went so far as to say Burress will avoid jail time and get five years of probation because he doesn't have any gun priors. Umenyiora said that's what the law-enforcement people he knows have been telling him. I'm no legal expert -- and neither is Umenyiora -- but that's what I've been hearing, too."

What do you guys think...does Plax go to jail?

 

[comfortably numb]

no jail, probation, 4 game suspension

 

[Mikey16x]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

 

[KellysHeroes]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

 

[Carver]

Wasnt Osi with him? They should charge that idiot with something too.

Plax is going to do some time for it. May only be 6 months.... but he will serve time. You cant just walk into nightclubs with loaded firearms tucked into your waistband and expect to walk free and clear.

If he does... I would be shocked and pretty disappointed. It would also make Bloomberg look like an even bigger windbag than he is.

 

[KellysHeroes]

not only is not going to do no time or less than one month... the Giants are going to accept him back as well.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

not only is not going to do no time or less than one month... the Giants are going to accept him back as well.

this

 

[Brutis]

not only is not going to do no time or less than one month... the Giants are going to accept him back as well.

 

[Couch Potato]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Bloomberg is just mayor, not king. He can talk all he wants, but he's not the judge in the case. There's generally wiggle room even if there doesn't seem to be, and I suspect a lesser crime than the one with a mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence will ultimately be agreed upon. I think it will be taken into account that this is not a typical case, not just because Plax is a celebrity, but because he is 31 in a career that is usually done by 35. It's not like the average guy who can go back and make his usual $20/hour when he's freed. The full sentence ends a career in this case, and I really believe that sort of thing will be a big consideration.

 

[Yenrub]

Is Mayor Bloomberg hurting or helping the case against Plax by running his mouth?

If he specifically mentioned Plax I could see Plax’s lawyer making a case that his client can’t get a fair trial in NYC

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Bloomberg is just mayor, not king. He can talk all he wants, but he's not the judge in the case. There's generally wiggle room even if there doesn't seem to be, and I suspect a lesser crime than the one with a mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence will ultimately be agreed upon. I think it will be taken into account that this is not a typical case, not just because Plax is a celebrity, but because he is 31 in a career that is usually done by 35. It's not like the average guy who can go back and make his usual $20/hour when he's freed. The full sentence ends a career in this case, and I really believe that sort of thing will be a big consideration.

He is however the boss of the DAs who normally take plea bargains in similar cases. If their boss says he wants Plaxico fully prosecuted, it is conceivably less likely that the DAs would agree to a plea.

 

[Avery]

Wasnt Osi with him? They should charge that idiot with something too.

Plax is going to do some time for it. May only be 6 months.... but he will serve time. You cant just walk into nightclubs with loaded firearms tucked into your waistband and expect to walk free and clear.

If he does... I would be shocked and pretty disappointed. It would also make Bloomberg look like an even bigger windbag than he is.

Why?

 

[DenverBroncos]

you'd be a fool not to offer something for him in dynasty leagues right NOW. He can be had for almost nothing and is a strong WR2 and likely WR1 if he starts this year.

 

[Couch Potato]

you'd be a fool not to offer something for him in dynasty leagues right NOW. He can be had for almost nothing and is a strong WR2 and likely WR1 if he starts this year.

Ah, but the question is how much to offer. I disagree that he can be had for almost nothing. If a current owner is offered WW fodder, he may as well hold and see what happens.He's not a kid, and if he misses 2009 he'll be 33 to start the 2010 season. Offer WR50 talent? WR40? WR30? Plax would probably be WR15-20 without the dumb### problems. So how much do you factor the risk of missing a year or more?

On the flip side, a Plax owner would be a fool not to let him go for something decent rather than possibly watch his value go to nearly zero if the court process and/or Goodell go against him for a year or more. Question is, where is that point that balances value and risk.

I think I'd not offer higher than WR50 value if I don't own him, and not take less than about WR35 value if I hold him.

 

[Carver]

Wasnt Osi with him? They should charge that idiot with something too.

Plax is going to do some time for it. May only be 6 months.... but he will serve time. You cant just walk into nightclubs with loaded firearms tucked into your waistband and expect to walk free and clear.

If he does... I would be shocked and pretty disappointed. It would also make Bloomberg look like an even bigger windbag than he is.

Why?

For hanging around with dip####s like Plax.

 

[Yenrub]

Wasnt Osi with him? They should charge that idiot with something too.

Plax is going to do some time for it. May only be 6 months.... but he will serve time. You cant just walk into nightclubs with loaded firearms tucked into your waistband and expect to walk free and clear.

If he does... I would be shocked and pretty disappointed. It would also make Bloomberg look like an even bigger windbag than he is.

Why?

For hanging around with dip####s like Plax.

I think it was Pierce not Osi

 

[Phurfur]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

You cannot compare LA to NYC.

 

[Redwes25]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

Good thing for Burress is that Bloomberg is not the elected DA and really has little say on the matter. It really matters what Morgenthau decides and I have not seen comments from him.

 

[Redwes25]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Bloomberg is just mayor, not king. He can talk all he wants, but he's not the judge in the case. There's generally wiggle room even if there doesn't seem to be, and I suspect a lesser crime than the one with a mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence will ultimately be agreed upon. I think it will be taken into account that this is not a typical case, not just because Plax is a celebrity, but because he is 31 in a career that is usually done by 35. It's not like the average guy who can go back and make his usual $20/hour when he's freed. The full sentence ends a career in this case, and I really believe that sort of thing will be a big consideration.

He is however the boss of the DAs who normally take plea bargains in similar cases. If their boss says he wants Plaxico fully prosecuted, it is conceivably less likely that the DAs would agree to a plea.

The Manhattan DA is an independent elected official. He does not answer to Bloomberg.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

Regular Citizens don't bring Loaded pistols to night clubsLike I said... hes not going to do any time, if anything they'll give him less than a month so they can say "see, Plax went away"

I would be shocked if he got 6 months or more. Hell, didn't Vick get 2 yrs or less (23 months I think).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/sports/f...tml?_r=1&em

The legislation that Brafman and Feinblatt clashed over that January evening was signed into law in November 2006 by then-Governor George E. Pataki. It eliminated a provision that gave judges the option of not imposing jail time on people found guilty of illegally possessing a loaded firearm.

Instead, the three-and-a-half year minimum sentence was established. As a result, legal experts said Tuesday, Burress may have little wiggle room as he tries to avoid prison time.

“Even if he pleads down, he can only plead down one count and he would still face a minimum of two years in prison,” said Robert C. Gottlieb, a New York-based criminal defense lawyer and a former prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

“The other wiggle room is that he could try and prevent the district attorney’s office from charging him with this crime and charge him with a lesser crime.”

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

Regular Citizens don't bring Loaded pistols to night clubsLike I said... hes not going to do any time, if anything they'll give him less than a month so they can say "see, Plax went away"

I would be shocked if he got 6 months or more. Hell, didn't Vick get 2 yrs or less (23 months I think).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/sports/f...tml?_r=1&em

The legislation that Brafman and Feinblatt clashed over that January evening was signed into law in November 2006 by then-Governor George E. Pataki. It eliminated a provision that gave judges the option of not imposing jail time on people found guilty of illegally possessing a loaded firearm.

Instead, the three-and-a-half year minimum sentence was established. As a result, legal experts said Tuesday, Burress may have little wiggle room as he tries to avoid prison time.

“Even if he pleads down, he can only plead down one count and he would still face a minimum of two years in prison,” said Robert C. Gottlieb, a New York-based criminal defense lawyer and a former prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

“The other wiggle room is that he could try and prevent the district attorney’s office from charging him with this crime and charge him with a lesser crime”

see bolded above, this is what a good high priced lawyer is excellent at.

 

[KellysHeroes]

“The other wiggle room is that he could try and prevent the district attorney’s office from charging him with this crime and charge him with a lesser crime”

see bolded above, this is what a good high priced lawyer is excellent at.

Money can buy justice

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

Regular Citizens don't bring Loaded pistols to night clubsLike I said... hes not going to do any time, if anything they'll give him less than a month so they can say "see, Plax went away"

I would be shocked if he got 6 months or more. Hell, didn't Vick get 2 yrs or less (23 months I think).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/sports/f...tml?_r=1&em

The legislation that Brafman and Feinblatt clashed over that January evening was signed into law in November 2006 by then-Governor George E. Pataki. It eliminated a provision that gave judges the option of not imposing jail time on people found guilty of illegally possessing a loaded firearm.

Instead, the three-and-a-half year minimum sentence was established. As a result, legal experts said Tuesday, Burress may have little wiggle room as he tries to avoid prison time.

“Even if he pleads down, he can only plead down one count and he would still face a minimum of two years in prison,” said Robert C. Gottlieb, a New York-based criminal defense lawyer and a former prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

“The other wiggle room is that he could try and prevent the district attorney’s office from charging him with this crime and charge him with a lesser crime.”

It looks like your nitpicking to try to find something to argue about.Regular citizens (obviously meaning non-celebrities in this context) do sometimes carry guns when they are not supposed to. You said Plaxico would get off because he is a celebrity. You can crow all you like about Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton but the fact remains that in this case, right or wrong, Bloomberg is trying to hold him to a higher standard because of his fame. Also, you can show me any article you want about the 3 1/2 year minimum the fact remains that first time offenders are still usually pleaded down to probation in cases where concealed weapons are carried and no other people are hurt of threatened. If the charge is pleaded down to a lesser charge, the same mandatory sentence does not necessarily apply.

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Bloomberg is just mayor, not king. He can talk all he wants, but he's not the judge in the case. There's generally wiggle room even if there doesn't seem to be, and I suspect a lesser crime than the one with a mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence will ultimately be agreed upon. I think it will be taken into account that this is not a typical case, not just because Plax is a celebrity, but because he is 31 in a career that is usually done by 35. It's not like the average guy who can go back and make his usual $20/hour when he's freed. The full sentence ends a career in this case, and I really believe that sort of thing will be a big consideration.

He is however the boss of the DAs who normally take plea bargains in similar cases. If their boss says he wants Plaxico fully prosecuted, it is conceivably less likely that the DAs would agree to a plea.

The Manhattan DA is an independent elected official. He does not answer to Bloomberg.

The many attorneys that work in the DA's office that actually prosecute the trials and (supposedly) make (semi)independent decisions in regards to their cases are employees of the city of New York.

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

Good thing for Burress is that Bloomberg is not the elected Attorney General and really has little say on the matter. It really matters what Morgenthau decides and I have not seen comments from him.

You really don't think that Bloomberg has any pull with the DAs office? Seriously?

 

[Redwes25]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that Bloomberg is just mayor, not king. He can talk all he wants, but he's not the judge in the case. There's generally wiggle room even if there doesn't seem to be, and I suspect a lesser crime than the one with a mandatory 3 1/2 year sentence will ultimately be agreed upon. I think it will be taken into account that this is not a typical case, not just because Plax is a celebrity, but because he is 31 in a career that is usually done by 35. It's not like the average guy who can go back and make his usual $20/hour when he's freed. The full sentence ends a career in this case, and I really believe that sort of thing will be a big consideration.

He is however the boss of the DAs who normally take plea bargains in similar cases. If their boss says he wants Plaxico fully prosecuted, it is conceivably less likely that the DAs would agree to a plea.

The Manhattan DA is an independent elected official. He does not answer to Bloomberg.

The many attorneys that work in the DA's office that actually prosecute the trials and (supposedly) make (semi)independent decisions in regards to their cases are employees of the city of New York.

Yes, they are employees of the city of NY but none of them answer to the Mayor. The Mayor has no authority to fire any employees hired by the DA. The assistant DA that will deal with the case will answer to Morgenthau who has been the Manhattan DA since the 1970s and recently said he was not running for election for his 10th term. While I am certain Morgenthau will pick up Bloomberg's phone call and respects his opinion he does not answer to him at all and has been indepedent of past mayors both republican and democrat for decades. That is the reason he has been elected on a combined Republican and Democratic ticket for the last several elections. If you remember back to the disaster that was Denkins there are clear examples of Morgenthau telling the Mayor to pound sand. He also did the same to Rudy when he tried to push the boundries on the law and order stuff. Does Morgenthau agree with the Mayor? I have no idea and he could but Bloomberg's statements should not be given much input in deciding the value of Burress.All the DAs in NYC answer to the elected DA for their borough. They do not answer to the Mayor and really what Bloomberg said in public doesn't mean much.

As lawyer practicing and living in NYC trust me on this one.

 

[Avery]

Yes, they are employees of the city of NY but none of them answer to the Mayor. The Mayor has no authority to fire any employees hired by the DA. The assistant DA that will deal with the case will answer to Morgenthau who has been the Manhattan DA since the 1970s and recently said he was not running for election for his 10th term. While I am certain Morgenthau will pick up Bloomberg's phone call and respects his opinion he does not answer to him at all and has been indepedent of past mayors both republican and democrat for decades. That is the reason he has been elected on a combined Republican and Democratic ticket for the last several elections. If you remember back to the disaster that was Denkins there are clear examples of Morgenthau telling the Mayor to pound sand. He also did the same to Rudy when he tried to push the boundries on the law and order stuff. Does Morgenthau agree with the Mayor? I have no idea and he could but Bloomberg's statements should not be given much input in deciding the value of Burress.All the DAs in NYC answer to the elected DA for their borough. They do not answer to the Mayor and really what Bloomberg said in public doesn't mean much. As lawyer practicing and living in NYC trust me on this one.

I understand what you're saying and do understand the chain of command but where we perhaps differ is how much influence the mayor can have if he brings all his political pressure to bear with guns blazing. I do think, perhaps, that his outrage has died down as the focus of the people has moved on to more important issues since Plax shot himself.

 

[Redwes25]

Yes, they are employees of the city of NY but none of them answer to the Mayor. The Mayor has no authority to fire any employees hired by the DA. The assistant DA that will deal with the case will answer to Morgenthau who has been the Manhattan DA since the 1970s and recently said he was not running for election for his 10th term. While I am certain Morgenthau will pick up Bloomberg's phone call and respects his opinion he does not answer to him at all and has been indepedent of past mayors both republican and democrat for decades. That is the reason he has been elected on a combined Republican and Democratic ticket for the last several elections. If you remember back to the disaster that was Denkins there are clear examples of Morgenthau telling the Mayor to pound sand. He also did the same to Rudy when he tried to push the boundries on the law and order stuff. Does Morgenthau agree with the Mayor? I have no idea and he could but Bloomberg's statements should not be given much input in deciding the value of Burress.All the DAs in NYC answer to the elected DA for their borough. They do not answer to the Mayor and really what Bloomberg said in public doesn't mean much. As lawyer practicing and living in NYC trust me on this one.

I understand what you're saying and do understand the chain of command but where we perhaps differ is how much influence the mayor can have if he brings all his political pressure to bear with guns blazing. I do think, perhaps, that his outrage has died down as the focus of the people has moved on to more important issues since Plax shot himself.

I just think Morgenthau really doesn't give a #### what the politics are at this point. The guy is 90 years, been in office for over 30 years and is not running for reelection.

 

[Frank Black]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've seen in this thread.

 

[Koya]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've seen in this thread.

True true.If someone keeps saying that Plax has/will get preferential treatment, they either:

(1) Have not actually followed the case

(2) Don't understand law, nor politics for that matter

(3) Have an axe to grind against Plax

(4) Are just not smart enough to see what the reality is here

OR

(5) A combo of some/all of the above.

 

[Koya]

FWIW, Bloomberg should keep his pandering ### out of the criminal case. If anything, Plax now has a lot of merit to the fact that NY's executive branch is meddling with the potential for a fair trial.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've seen in this thread.

dude... this isn't a DUI or anything minor, it not like he was caught with Pot or something... do you understand what could of happened that night??? He fired a loaded weapon in a night club full of people. And I don't want to hear that it was an accident, doesn't matter... it was unregistered & loaded. That is such a serious crime and hes not going to see a lick of serious time.If a regular citizen bought a loaded weapon into a night club full of people and it fired; that regular Citizen would go to jail for atleast a yr & a half; then get 5 yrs proby.

But because hes a celeb, hes getting nothing.

 

[Avery]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Actually, if he was treated like a regular citizen, as a first time offender this would have quickly been pleaded down to probation. That is still the SOP for the city's DAs in cases like this and that comes directly from a DA in the city. It is only because of his celebrity status that Bloomberg has called for Plaxico to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. The celebrity blade can slice both ways.

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've seen in this thread.

dude... this isn't a DUI or anything minor, it not like he was caught with Pot or something... do you understand what could of happened that night??? He fired a loaded weapon in a night club full of people. And I don't want to hear that it was an accident, doesn't matter... it was unregistered & loaded. That is such a serious crime and hes not going to see a lick of serious time.If a regular citizen bought a loaded weapon into a night club full of people and it fired; that regular Citizen would go to jail for atleast a yr & a half; then get 5 yrs proby.

But because hes a celeb, hes getting nothing.

It must be very frustrating when you have a belief, all celebrities get preferential treatment in the court system for example, that is so clearly contradicted by the reality of a given situation.

 

[FavreCo]

Oh, as a New Yorker, he's going to jail. Not sure if he'll do the mandatory but he's doing some time. Mayor Bloomberg is taking this rather personal and has been seen many times saying "He doesn't care who it is, if your caught with a gun in my city your doing time in the slammer" and this is the mayor. This is a short video with bloomberg, but this is only one of many.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p...d=0001117489910

hes not going.. I knew from day 1 that he, like all other athletes and celebs, will get special treatment. They can't be in the same pool w/ us. Freaking Lindsay Lohan committed grand thief auto & held someone against their will and nothing happened to her. How many DUIs does she have now?If anything, he'll do a Paris Hilton and be sent for like 2 weeks; which is totally bogus!!!! If that was any of us, we be gone for 3 & a half yrs.

Agreed. I said from the get go that Burress will buy his way out of this.

 

[PitbullTD]

Wasnt Osi with him? They should charge that idiot with something too.

Plax is going to do some time for it. May only be 6 months.... but he will serve time. You cant just walk into nightclubs with loaded firearms tucked into your waistband and expect to walk free and clear.

If he does... I would be shocked and pretty disappointed. It would also make Bloomberg look like an even bigger windbag than he is.

Why?

Also in most states there is an Accomplice Law that basically says if you are with someone who is commiting a crime and have knowledge of it but do not alert authorities you can be charged with the same crime.Didnt Osi/Pierce take the gun and run it across state lines? Thats a crime in and of itsself, and once the gun goes off and Plax hands it to whoever he handed it to Pierce or Osi they are then knowingly involved in a crime.

Im not sure if this applies in New York but would almost bet they too have an Accomplice rule.

 

[tuttiface]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

 

[Yenrub]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

 

[tuttiface]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

1st time offender i believe. Our poll is showing a lot differently than last years conviction rate. Over 40% here believe he will only get probation. Maybe his celeb status will get him off, who knows. Interesting topic to follow though.

 

[trader jake]

Plax will serve some time. Certainly nothing approaching six months but he will spend some time in the clink. Goodell will also be suspending him once the final decision is brought down. 8 games, appealed down to 4?

 

[renesauz]

I hit NULL because I have no Earthly idea.

Cases like this are difficult to judge, because it is't normal.

What I mean is...celebrities should be held to the same standards the rest of us are. They shouldn't get away with stuff just because of who they are.

OTOH...there is something to be said for the fact that 3 years in jail is a MUCH MUCH HARSHER sentence for a man in his position then the felons typically caught and charged with this crime. I don't think it's a very big limb to step out on if we were to assume that the majority of those charged with this are already criminals, and most of them either unemployed or at low wage jobs. If one of us (those of us employed, productive, without any record) were caught in a similar circumstance, I'd have to think the mayor wouldn't be involved, and the D.A. would almost certainly work with us a bit more.

He should be punished, but this minimum sentencing is BS. Hopefully the D.A. finds some stones to treat him exactly like he was a normal NON-FELON, PRODUCTIVE memeber of society.

FWIW.....I'm an Eagles fan who can't stand Burress.

 

[PitbullTD]

First everyone needs to realize that this 3 1/2 mandatory minimum is not for "the felons who normally get caught with this" If you are a Felon in the USA and are caught with a gun loaded OR not, it is a MANDATORY 5 Year Sentence in a Federal Penitentiary. Every felon has to sign a piece of paper when being paroled saying they are aware of the charge. Its called something like Project Safe Neighborhoods I believe.

So this 3 1/2 Year Mandatory Minimum applies to those who are NOT already convicted felons.

 

[massraider]

Plax will serve some time. Certainly nothing approaching six months but he will spend some time in the clink. Goodell will also be suspending him once the final decision is brought down. 8 games, appealed down to 4?

This is my call.The way Bloomie went public, I think any plea deal will have to include at least 6 months.

 

[Avery]

First everyone needs to realize that this 3 1/2 mandatory minimum is not for "the felons who normally get caught with this" If you are a Felon in the USA and are caught with a gun loaded OR not, it is a MANDATORY 5 Year Sentence in a Federal Penitentiary. Every felon has to sign a piece of paper when being paroled saying they are aware of the charge. Its called something like Project Safe Neighborhoods I believe.So this 3 1/2 Year Mandatory Minimum applies to those who are NOT already convicted felons.

Since you clearly missed to posts on this or didn't understand to repeat... first time offenders, if no one is threatened or hurt during the incident (aside from hurting himself), are usually offered a plea to a lower charge therefore the 3 1/2 year minimum does not apply. This is SOP for the DA office in New York, although Bloomberg calling for Plax's head to the media may well mean that he is given a tougher brand of justice then the average first time offender in a similar case.

 

[Avery]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

Exactly.What would be more illuminative is telling us how many first time offenders, live Burress, serve time.

Edit to add: Also, I would imagine that most people that are caught with concealed and unlicensed firearms in New York (and elsewhere) are caught in the process of doing something threatening with the weapon, in which case a plea is far less likely. Most people aren't caught doing something as stupid as shooting themselves in the leg.

 

[PitbullTD]

First everyone needs to realize that this 3 1/2 mandatory minimum is not for "the felons who normally get caught with this" If you are a Felon in the USA and are caught with a gun loaded OR not, it is a MANDATORY 5 Year Sentence in a Federal Penitentiary. Every felon has to sign a piece of paper when being paroled saying they are aware of the charge. Its called something like Project Safe Neighborhoods I believe.So this 3 1/2 Year Mandatory Minimum applies to those who are NOT already convicted felons.

Since you clearly missed to posts on this or didn't understand to repeat... first time offenders, if no one is threatened or hurt during the incident (aside from hurting himself), are usually offered a plea to a lower charge therefore the 3 1/2 year minimum does not apply. This is SOP for the DA office in New York, although Bloomberg calling for Plax's head to the media may well mean that he is given a tougher brand of justice then the average first time offender in a similar case.

All I was stating was that the charge in question is not the same that is used for repeat offenders/people with ANY felony on record. Maybe you should re-read my post. Felons answer to a completely different charge. Loaded or not. Hurt someone or not.

 

[KellysHeroes]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

Exactly.What would be more illuminative is telling us how many first time offenders, live Burress, serve time.

Edit to add: Also, I would imagine that most people that are caught with concealed and unlicensed firearms in New York (and elsewhere) are caught in the process of doing something threatening with the weapon, in which case a plea is far less likely. Most people aren't caught doing something as stupid as shooting themselves in the leg.

would you consider firing the weapon in an night club full of people threatening?

 

[Avery]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

Exactly.What would be more illuminative is telling us how many first time offenders, live Burress, serve time.

Edit to add: Also, I would imagine that most people that are caught with concealed and unlicensed firearms in New York (and elsewhere) are caught in the process of doing something threatening with the weapon, in which case a plea is far less likely. Most people aren't caught doing something as stupid as shooting themselves in the leg.

would you consider firing the weapon in an night club full of people threatening?

You're confusing 'dangerous' with 'threatening'.

Threatening behavior with a gun is brandishing it, aiming it at someone, showing it to someone and saying you're going to kill them. Shooting yourself in the leg when no one has seen the gun is not threatening behavior. Dangerous? Absolutely. Threatening? Nope.

 

[moderated]

Life sentence would be fitting for this scumbag, but hopefully he gets at least 2 years and is never able to play football again.

 

[KellysHeroes]

"The most common way to avoid the three-and-half years mandatory minimum sentence is to get the charge lowered to a third-degree possession.

But last year, in New York City, nearly 80 percent of the people convicted of a third-degree charge still ended up behind bars, according to the New York State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Of those people, 41 percent ended up serving more than one year in jail; 24 percent ended up serving one year in jail; 6 percent less than one year in jail, and 6 percent had a mixture of jail and probation 24 percent only had probation."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

I wonder how many of that 80% had a previous criminal record.Does Plax have a previous criminal record?

Exactly.What would be more illuminative is telling us how many first time offenders, live Burress, serve time.

Edit to add: Also, I would imagine that most people that are caught with concealed and unlicensed firearms in New York (and elsewhere) are caught in the process of doing something threatening with the weapon, in which case a plea is far less likely. Most people aren't caught doing something as stupid as shooting themselves in the leg.

would you consider firing the weapon in an night club full of people threatening?

You're confusing 'dangerous' with 'threatening'.

Threatening behavior with a gun is brandishing it, aiming it at someone, showing it to someone and saying you're going to kill them. Shooting yourself in the leg when no one has seen the gun is not threatening behavior. Dangerous? Absolutely. Threatening? Nope.

Didn't Pierce tell him the gun was sticking out? Then when Plax went to adjust it, it went off?I'm sorry, but bringing a Loaded weapon with the Safety off & ready to Fire into a very Public outlet and then it goes off is a serious crime. You can not fight that. And it probably wasn't the first time Plax had done this. Call it what ever you want, I call it a cross of Threatening / Menacing behavior. Not to mention the crimes of leaving the scene and running the weapon over state lines; both are serious in their own right.

Your stance of "If he was a regular person, it would be over and done with and there would be no jail time" is false. If you committed the crimes that Plax committed that night, even if you have a clean recorded you'd be in for 6 months to a yr & a half.

Hey, if this happened at his or one of his buddies houses, I would understand... but he was at a very public outlet and its just dumb luck that he was the only one that got hurt that night.