Plaxico pleads GUILTY (1 Viewer)

[Holy Schneikes]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:

There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.

Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.

If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I think this stinks due to gun laws in this country. Gotta run, will get into it later I suppose

There's a reason NYC is considered the safest large city in the country. More cities should follow NY's example. I have no problem with owning guns, but in large cities they should be banned IMO.

That worked well for DC untill the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional

Yeah, worked so well that DC has the highest incidence of homicide of any large city in the nation, and has had for years. Go look it up.

 

[Mark Wimer]

He was screwed from day one, as he was most certainly made an example of...He was an idiot for carrying the gun in the club, and an even bigger idiot for shooting himself(and come on, most rational folks see this as more than enough punishment, he was friggin shot due to his idiocy/breaking the law!)....but 2 years of a very short life for this crap? Give me a break lawmakers, sometimes you are the morons...

I do not disagree that the laws in NYC are draconian and unreasonable, but they are the law of that locality. If the laws need to be changed then perhaps the community in NYC will decry this sentence and change the law.However, the irresponsibility of carrying a loaded, primed-and-ready-to-fire weapon in a non-secure location cannot be ignored. Nor can the location in which the shooting occurred be ignored. Burress was a menance to himself (demostrably) and to the public (demonstrably by the mere fact that the weapon discharged accidentally, when it could have been carrried in a more responsible fashion in an appropriate holster).

 

[thayman]

I think this stinks due to gun laws in this country. Gotta run, will get into it later I suppose

There's a reason NYC is considered the safest large city in the country. More cities should follow NY's example. I have no problem with owning guns, but in large cities they should be banned IMO.

That worked well for DC untill the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional

Yeah, worked so well that DC has the highest incidence of homicide of any large city in the nation, and has had for years. Go look it up.

Although DC has been high I don't think they are up there anymore. Seems New Orleans has taken over the top spot. But this link from 2006 doesn't have DC in the top 10http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/0...s_in_natio.html

 

[jerseydevil20]

I can't believe this guy is getting any sympathy whatsoever. Someone who obviously did not know how to safely handle a firearm knowingly and intentionally brought a loaded, unsecured gun into a crowded club.What more do you really need to know?

Exactly.The law is there as a deterant. He discharged a firearm in a crowded nightclub. If someone was killed, the thought would be "there should be a law against that." Well, there is a law against that and, Plax is now going to pay his debt to society. As a deterant, Plax will probably save someone alot of grief when some other Knucklehead decides to leave the gun at home.

If he had driven home drunk that night it would have been more dangerous than having a loaded gun in his pocket. Is the penalty for drunk driving 24 months in jail? Society is lucky if a drunk is in jail overnight.

 

[brakeyawself]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:

There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.

Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.

If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

You ovbviously dont know how to have fun.Breaking the law is something Presidents and paupers have in common. Some might even say that dumb laws are not meant to be followed. Jaywalking, sodomy (was illegal until recently as far as I know) and the dumbest law of them all, no more fire pitts in NYC. Seriously? Good people have to be punished and not allowed to use their firepit because a bunch of dummies dont know how to be careful with fire? The law is not meant to keep stupid people from getting hurt.

 

[brakeyawself]

2 years is rediculous for this crime. This Judge is a dunce. Waste of space and money keeping Plax in jail for anything over 90 days. The guy allready shot himself. Seriously, anyone who lives in the NY area should write to your congressman and senators and complain about this judges sentence. Id love to see his case history. Is he an A-Ole to everyone or just rich goof offs?

So, in your opinion, is it cool for anyone to to carry unlicensed, loaded weapons into crowded places, tucked into their sweatpants and ready to fire, or is it just okay if you're good at catching a football?

Eww seriously, not a good post at all. Of course the things you mention are not good ideas, but neither are they worthy of that long of a sentence. Him being a football player has little to do with it. The world is not a safe place. Let's not pretend its possible. Do you know how many people around NY are carrying illegal weapons with intent to USE them against another in a non self defense situation? Now, they dont all shoot themselves, so they dont all get caught. But Plax was probably not intending to use his weapon which is a large assumption in sentencing this type of case as someone posted earlier. This is a clear situation of a judge attempting to make an example of someone. Plain and simple.

 

[ajopiela]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

So it sounds like you never speed when you drive. You're just too damn rightous for that stuff.... Remember going 36 mph on a 35 mph speed limit is a crime....whether its a stupid rule or not

 

[ajopiela]

I know it's a crime, but i just don't see the criminal intent. He should have gotten 3 months imo...

 

[brakeyawself]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

So it sounds like you never speed when you drive. You're just too damn rightous for that stuff.... Remember going 36 mph on a 35 mph speed limit is a crime....whether its a stupid rule or not

Lawmakers and enforcers never follow the law to the Tee. Only the Sheep they lead. God bless our innocent and gullable populace.

 

[pollardsvision]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

So it sounds like you never speed when you drive. You're just too damn rightous for that stuff.... Remember going 36 mph on a 35 mph speed limit is a crime....whether its a stupid rule or not

I'm not real fired up about his sentence either, but that's a poor analogy. There is a very minor penalty for going 1 mile over. That's why people do it and that's why cops don't stop you for it. It's not worth the time.This is obviously a different type of situation, considering the penalty is 3.5 years in the joint at minimum.

 

[brakeyawself]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

So it sounds like you never speed when you drive. You're just too damn rightous for that stuff.... Remember going 36 mph on a 35 mph speed limit is a crime....whether its a stupid rule or not

I'm not real fired up about his sentence either, but that's a poor analogy. There is a very minor penalty for going 1 mile over. That's why people do it and that's why cops don't stop you for it. It's not worth the time.This is obviously a different type of situation, considering the penalty is 3.5 years in the joint at minimum.

No, the penalty for carrying the weapon with intent to use it is 3.5, most people in Plax's situation, were they not a celebraty, probably would have just gotten their gun taken away lol. Seriously, I live in NYC, cops and robbers here can both be very lawless, and things like this generally dont get you in as much trouble as youd think. If the spotlight wasnt on him, this could have gone away easy. He was carrying WITHOUT intent (presumably) and that is a very important aspect of this case. And anyone in Texas should be appalled by this law...right? Really im not a gun enthusiast but come on. People are put in harms way in NYC every night when some big ######## gets drunk and decides to pick on the nerd he forgot to pick on in highschool. Plus official sentencing hasnt happened yet. So i dont think hed truly get the full load at all.

 

[Mark Wimer]

I think this stinks due to gun laws in this country. Gotta run, will get into it later I suppose

There's a reason NYC is considered the safest large city in the country. More cities should follow NY's example. I have no problem with owning guns, but in large cities they should be banned IMO.

That worked well for DC untill the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional

Yeah, worked so well that DC has the highest incidence of homicide of any large city in the nation, and has had for years. Go look it up.

Although DC has been high I don't think they are up there anymore. Seems New Orleans has taken over the top spot. But this link from 2006 doesn't have DC in the top 10http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/0...s_in_natio.html

DC Crime Stats as of 2007Gee, I wonder if Hurricane Katrina had any effect on the crime rate/stats in NOLA during 2006?

 

[Bri]

I think this stinks due to gun laws in this country. Gotta run, will get into it later I suppose

There's a reason NYC is considered the safest large city in the country. More cities should follow NY's example. I have no problem with owning guns, but in large cities they should be banned IMO.

I don't agree with this take much, at all. A law that has been recently enacted and has not been applied to anyone but Plaxico in this harsh a manner. The reason NYC is so safe is a confluence of reasons, beginning in the '90s. As much as I can't stand Guliani, he was a big reason for those positive steps, combined with great economic times for the most part until recently - and immense security overall post 9/11.

What he said.Plus there's plenty of rural communities in this country wherein people do have that stereotypical shotgun in their pickups(and many drive pickups) and next to no crime ever happens.

I would like to know how many states Plaxico wouldn't be in jail right now or if it'd be 30 days or somesuch small sentence.

 

[fatness]

Now that this thread has become a guns and politics thread it should be shot and put out of its misery.

 

[brakeyawself]

Now that this thread has become a guns and politics thread it should be shot and put out of its misery.

No youre right. Do you think Plax will get his Prison to the Correctional Championship Game this year?

 

[mdog1967]

2 years seems so harsh. I swear, every other month you hear about some athelete getting pulled over and having a gun on them, or checking a bag at the ariport with a gun in it. I can't remember a single one of them serving any jail time. Heck, Marshawn Lynch just got 3 years probation for carrying an unlisenced gun in Cali. Sucks for Plaxico this happened in NY; any other place he probably gets probation and a 3 game suspension.

I'll be the first to admit that just carrying the gun was a stupid move on his part, but I just don't see it being worth 2 years in jail.

It sucks for him? If he was such a stand up guy, don't you think he'd understand the carrying laws in the state he was in? Ignorance is not an excuse, sorry.And it wasn't 'just carrying the gun'. He was carrying a loaded gun in a very populated place. Put yourself in that club. You wouldn't feel the slightest bit of anger knowing this knucklehead had a loaded gun in the waistband of his pants? Please

I say he got lucky to get under the 'minimum' sentence, even after rejecting the 2yr plea a while ago.

It was the right conviction and a stupid sentence. If the law allowed it should have been 1 year probation and an agreement to never enter NYC again. NYC can be a fun place, I lived there for 6 years but as far as people go you cant get much more panty waist than Manhattan. When the Cops leave for Yonkers or New Jersey the Testosterone level drops to zero. I should add that not even the Firefighters in NYC/Manhattan have enough members to counter the woosey factor.

 

[brakeyawself]

2 years seems so harsh. I swear, every other month you hear about some athelete getting pulled over and having a gun on them, or checking a bag at the ariport with a gun in it. I can't remember a single one of them serving any jail time. Heck, Marshawn Lynch just got 3 years probation for carrying an unlisenced gun in Cali. Sucks for Plaxico this happened in NY; any other place he probably gets probation and a 3 game suspension.

I'll be the first to admit that just carrying the gun was a stupid move on his part, but I just don't see it being worth 2 years in jail.

It sucks for him? If he was such a stand up guy, don't you think he'd understand the carrying laws in the state he was in? Ignorance is not an excuse, sorry.And it wasn't 'just carrying the gun'. He was carrying a loaded gun in a very populated place. Put yourself in that club. You wouldn't feel the slightest bit of anger knowing this knucklehead had a loaded gun in the waistband of his pants? Please

I say he got lucky to get under the 'minimum' sentence, even after rejecting the 2yr plea a while ago.

It was the right conviction and a stupid sentence. If the law allowed it should have been 1 year probation and an agreement to never enter NYC again. NYC can be a fun place, I lived there for 6 years but as far as people go you cant get much more panty waist than Manhattan. When the Cops leave for Yonkers or New Jersey the Testosterone level drops to zero. I should add that not even the Firefighters in NYC/Manhattan have enough members to counter the woosey factor.

LOl, do we still Banish people in this country? A year probation sounds sufficient. Usually on probabtion, You arnt allowed to leave the State. They should just make him live in Buffalo for a year.

 

[thayman]

DC Crime Stats as of 2007

Gee, I wonder if Hurricane Katrina had any effect on the crime rate/stats in NOLA during 2006?

I'm sure Katrina did have an effect on crime, you originally said that DC held the top spot in homicide of any large city in the US and encouraged people to look it up. I googled it and it doesn't seem that that is the case.

 

[MCguidance]

Just saw that small snippet on Plax on E60, man he looks defeated.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

LOl, do we still Banish people in this country? A year probation sounds sufficient. Usually on probabtion, You arnt allowed to leave the State. They should just make him live in Buffalo for a year.

Dude, we prohibit cruel and unusual punishment in this country.

 

[Knobs]

He looked like he was on the verge of tears. Not that I blame the guy. I'd probably cry.

 

[MCguidance]

He looked like he was on the verge of tears. Not that I blame the guy. I'd probably cry.

He did look like that.

 

[California]

While I'm not a fan of NY's gun laws, Plax deserved everything he got.

Every single pro athlete in NY is aware of the law. Whether they agree with them or not doesn't matter. If he was that worried about his safety, he should have had off duty law enforcement packing heat for him (like every other athlete in NY).

He could have done what Vick did. Cop a plea and start his sentence ASAP. This all started in Nov 08, almost 10 months ago. He'd be almost halfway done with his sentence and ABLE TO PLAY in 2010 (pending Goodell suspension). Instead, he decided to roll the dice in front of a grand jury. Instead of getting his single charge dropped, he got hit with two additional charges. Now he's looking at 2011 at the earliest. Realistically, he's done.

 

[Bri]

On that 360 show (E 360?) with Schapp, Plaxico said he was walking up the stairs and the gun slipped down his jeans pant leg and he went to grab it as it slipped and it went off. One in a million chance.

He also said he was patted down and allowed to enter with the gun. The reason they were going up the stairs was due to a large crowd around him and someone from the club wanted to get him away so he can enjoy himself without such a crowd around him.

Full interview on tonight, didn't see time

 

[pollardsvision]

On that 360 show (E 360?) with Schapp, Plaxico said he was walking up the stairs and the gun slipped down his jeans pant leg and he went to grab it as it slipped and it went off. One in a million chance.

He also said he was patted down and allowed to enter with the gun. The reason they were going up the stairs was due to a large crowd around him and someone from the club wanted to get him away so he can enjoy himself without such a crowd around him.

Full interview on tonight, didn't see time

I heard that. I don't really consider that a 1:1000000 chance. Loaded gun, no safety, unsecured in sweatpants starts to slip down, naturally reacting to GRAB it to prevent it from slipping down further? I'd say 2-3 times out of TEN sounds reasonable. In that grabbing motion, you've got 4 fingers swiping with no real control over where they land on the gun. What is it, about a one inch window on a 6-inch gun?Yep, I'd say a 20% chance sounds right. Considering the number of times a gun is likely to slip over the course of a night and it firing is not a huge surprise.

I feel terrible for Plax and hate that he's going to jail for stupidity, but the odds of the gun firing were certainly not one in a million.

 

[RUSF18]

Guys on NYC Sports Talk Radio yesterday (Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton) were wondering if the soon to be departing Governor David Patterson would have the balls to just pardon Burress since he has absolutely no future in politics anyway.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

To all of the folks that think this is a ridiculous sentence and are POd at the judge etc:There are different laws in different states/cities. You have to follow them whether you like them or not, and whether they are "fair" or not. Anybody even thinking about owning a gun in NY should have been aware that there are very strict laws against carrying in the city. Plaxico KNEW THIS, which is why he sent Pierce home with his gun and lied about his identity at the hospital.Is the 3.5 year minimum sentence ridiculous for crime Plax obviously and admittedly committed (and then pleaded down from) ridiculous? Who cares? That is irrelevant. That's the penalty in NYC for doing what Plax did, and he KNEW that it was a "big deal" when he did it. He just thought it didn't or shouldn't apply to him. He was wrong, and is lucky he's not in for the full 3.5.If there is 10 year mandatory sentence for chewing gum in NYC, you don't chew gum in NYC, whether it's a stupid rule or not.

So it sounds like you never speed when you drive. You're just too damn rightous for that stuff.... Remember going 36 mph on a 35 mph speed limit is a crime....whether its a stupid rule or not

Quite the opposite, and you help me make my point. I speed all the time, as do most of the people I know (not outrageously, but the typical 5-10 over kind of deal). But I'm willing to take the risk that I get caught, and if I DO get caught, I'm willing to pay the penalty for my actions. If speeding had a 3 year mandatory sentence, I probably wouldn't speed.Plus, as you probably already know, there is a LITTLE difference between speeding and carrying a loaded weapon in your pants to a public place.

 

[CrossEyed]

Plax is a knucklehead, but I still can't help but like the guy for some reason. I hope he's able to serve his time and come back to the NFL.

 

[saintfool]

has he been officially suspended by the NFL yet? will that happen once he completes his prison stay?

 

[Golden Mike Tomczak]

My fantasy team this season is called "Plaxico's Leg" and I must comment on the fact that this guy is guilty of acting rediculously. If he had a registered gun in his name, he could have shot himself or someone else and done less time.

 

[GManiac]

While I'm not a fan of NY's gun laws, Plax deserved everything he got.

Every single pro athlete in NY is aware of the law. Whether they agree with them or not doesn't matter. If he was that worried about his safety, he should have had off duty law enforcement packing heat for him (like every other athlete in NY).

He could have done what Vick did. Cop a plea and start his sentence ASAP. This all started in Nov 08, almost 10 months ago. He'd be almost halfway done with his sentence and ABLE TO PLAY in 2010 (pending Goodell suspension). Instead, he decided to roll the dice in front of a grand jury. Instead of getting his single charge dropped, he got hit with two additional charges. Now he's looking at 2011 at the earliest. Realistically, he's done.

Hold up.the Two bolded statements are not true at all.

A: Most New York residents are not aware of the law in the sense that they know the penalty and the specifics. So there is no way every PRO athlete knows the law when most are just passing through NY and probably live in another State alot of the year.

B: How many PRO atheletes in NY actually have off duty law enforcement? Seriously? 1 out of 20 maybe? And thats high. Most of them arnt actually MADE of money, they just appear to be to many people. Plax salary secures a nice lifestyle, not a full time security force.

Plax made a dumb move. Bloomberg hates guns. Its pretty simple. He probably wouldnt have been noticed or caught had he not been a celebrity. So dumb yes. A danger to society? Slighty at the time of the incident. But deserving of this sentence NO. But if you live in NY youre pretty use to this kind of thing, and no it's really not that scary. Most of the previous incidents like this in NY do not involve someone who has no reasonable intent to use the gun other than for self defence. In most cases like this, the convicted carries the weapon for a more devious purpose and that should have been taken into consideration in Plax's sentencing. Honestly though, he should have gotten a holster and he could have carried his gun around NY all night and it wouldnt have mattered in the slightest. I honestly wouldnt mind being in a club with an NFL player or any person without motive to use a weapon, knowing they have a gun, unless they are A: Irresponsible B: Wearing Sweatpants.

 

[CrossEyed]

has he been officially suspended by the NFL yet? will that happen once he completes his prison stay?

Pretty sure Goodell said he is free to return after he serves his time.

 

[saintfool]

has he been officially suspended by the NFL yet? will that happen once he completes his prison stay?

Pretty sure Goodell said he is free to return after he serves his time.

He is, in fact, currently suspended.

NFL to Reinstate Burress After Jail TermThe NFL has announced that it has suspended wide receiver Plaxico Burress, who pleaded guilty Thursday to a gun charge and agreed to a two-year prison sentence under a plea deal, but will reinstate Burress once he completes his sentence.The league's written statement says:"Plaxico Burress is not under contract to an NFL team. In light of his plea today, Commissioner Roger Goodell has suspended Burress and informed him that he is ineligible to sign with any team until he completes his jail term. Commissioner Goodell said Burress will be reinstated and eligible to sign with an NFL team upon the completion of his sentence."Burress was notified on June 26 that Commissioner Goodell had initiated a review of the matter for potential discipline under the NFL's Personal Conduct and Weapons policies. Commissioner Goodell and members of his staff conducted a hearing with Burress and his representatives last Wednesday [August 12] in New York."

 

[California]

While I'm not a fan of NY's gun laws, Plax deserved everything he got.

Every single pro athlete in NY is aware of the law. Whether they agree with them or not doesn't matter. If he was that worried about his safety, he should have had off duty law enforcement packing heat for him (like every other athlete in NY).

He could have done what Vick did. Cop a plea and start his sentence ASAP. This all started in Nov 08, almost 10 months ago. He'd be almost halfway done with his sentence and ABLE TO PLAY in 2010 (pending Goodell suspension). Instead, he decided to roll the dice in front of a grand jury. Instead of getting his single charge dropped, he got hit with two additional charges. Now he's looking at 2011 at the earliest. Realistically, he's done.

Hold up.the Two bolded statements are not true at all.

A: Most New York residents are not aware of the law in the sense that they know the penalty and the specifics. So there is no way every PRO athlete knows the law when most are just passing through NY and probably live in another State alot of the year.

B: How many PRO atheletes in NY actually have off duty law enforcement? Seriously? 1 out of 20 maybe? And thats high. Most of them arnt actually MADE of money, they just appear to be to many people. Plax salary secures a nice lifestyle, not a full time security force.

Plax made a dumb move. Bloomberg hates guns. Its pretty simple. He probably wouldnt have been noticed or caught had he not been a celebrity. So dumb yes. A danger to society? Slighty at the time of the incident. But deserving of this sentence NO. But if you live in NY youre pretty use to this kind of thing, and no it's really not that scary. Most of the previous incidents like this in NY do not involve someone who has no reasonable intent to use the gun other than for self defence. In most cases like this, the convicted carries the weapon for a more devious purpose and that should have been taken into consideration in Plax's sentencing. Honestly though, he should have gotten a holster and he could have carried his gun around NY all night and it wouldnt have mattered in the slightest. I honestly wouldnt mind being in a club with an NFL player or any person without motive to use a weapon, knowing they have a gun, unless they are A: Irresponsible B: Wearing Sweatpants.

A. I'll agree with you that most NY residents are not aware of specific laws and penalties. I'm pretty sure the average citizen isn't interested in carrying a handgun. I don't agree with you that members of pro NY sports teams (Giants, Knicks, Yankees, etc.) are not aware. I can't believe that teams don't provide this type of orientation of local laws (especially gun laws) when an athlete signs with a team. Plaxico knew the law especially, since his wife is a NY attorney (who took the gun from Pierce's house to theirs).Regarding visiting pro athletes, Jalen Rose was recently on my local ESPN radio talking about Plax. He said when he was playing for the Pacers, whenever they went to play the Knicks the whole team was specifically told how screwed they would be if they were caught carrying in NY, and not to do it. Jalen said he carries a handgun for protection whenever he can. He knows which visiting cities/states he can, and which he can't. He did not carry in NY because he was told of the consequences.

B. I'll definitely agree with you here. Not many athletes period can afford full time security, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about part time/situational security. If they feel they need firearms for protection when they go out, why can't they hire part time help? Here in LA, it costs me $100 to take a cab home for a 30 minute drive, which is a ripoff. I can't afford a full time driver, but if I'm too drunk to drive home and can't get a buddy to drive me home, I'll call and pay for the cab because I know the consequences if I get caught. I'd definitely lose my license, legal fee money, and my job (it's in my contract) at the very least. Jail time at the worst.

I'm pretty sure there are athletes in NY that carry and don't get caught. Besides making a bunch of bad decisions, Plax was also a victim of bad luck. He got caught. Considering the consequences and what he stood to lose, he never should have put himself in this position tho. This is why I feel that he deserved everything he got.

 

[GManiac]

While I'm not a fan of NY's gun laws, Plax deserved everything he got.

Every single pro athlete in NY is aware of the law. Whether they agree with them or not doesn't matter. If he was that worried about his safety, he should have had off duty law enforcement packing heat for him (like every other athlete in NY).

He could have done what Vick did. Cop a plea and start his sentence ASAP. This all started in Nov 08, almost 10 months ago. He'd be almost halfway done with his sentence and ABLE TO PLAY in 2010 (pending Goodell suspension). Instead, he decided to roll the dice in front of a grand jury. Instead of getting his single charge dropped, he got hit with two additional charges. Now he's looking at 2011 at the earliest. Realistically, he's done.

Hold up.the Two bolded statements are not true at all.

A: Most New York residents are not aware of the law in the sense that they know the penalty and the specifics. So there is no way every PRO athlete knows the law when most are just passing through NY and probably live in another State alot of the year.

B: How many PRO atheletes in NY actually have off duty law enforcement? Seriously? 1 out of 20 maybe? And thats high. Most of them arnt actually MADE of money, they just appear to be to many people. Plax salary secures a nice lifestyle, not a full time security force.

Plax made a dumb move. Bloomberg hates guns. Its pretty simple. He probably wouldnt have been noticed or caught had he not been a celebrity. So dumb yes. A danger to society? Slighty at the time of the incident. But deserving of this sentence NO. But if you live in NY youre pretty use to this kind of thing, and no it's really not that scary. Most of the previous incidents like this in NY do not involve someone who has no reasonable intent to use the gun other than for self defence. In most cases like this, the convicted carries the weapon for a more devious purpose and that should have been taken into consideration in Plax's sentencing. Honestly though, he should have gotten a holster and he could have carried his gun around NY all night and it wouldnt have mattered in the slightest. I honestly wouldnt mind being in a club with an NFL player or any person without motive to use a weapon, knowing they have a gun, unless they are A: Irresponsible B: Wearing Sweatpants.

A. I'll agree with you that most NY residents are not aware of specific laws and penalties. I'm pretty sure the average citizen isn't interested in carrying a handgun. I don't agree with you that members of pro NY sports teams (Giants, Knicks, Yankees, etc.) are not aware. I can't believe that teams don't provide this type of orientation of local laws (especially gun laws) when an athlete signs with a team. Plaxico knew the law especially, since his wife is a NY attorney (who took the gun from Pierce's house to theirs).Regarding visiting pro athletes, Jalen Rose was recently on my local ESPN radio talking about Plax. He said when he was playing for the Pacers, whenever they went to play the Knicks the whole team was specifically told how screwed they would be if they were caught carrying in NY, and not to do it. Jalen said he carries a handgun for protection whenever he can. He knows which visiting cities/states he can, and which he can't. He did not carry in NY because he was told of the consequences.

B. I'll definitely agree with you here. Not many athletes period can afford full time security, but that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about part time/situational security. If they feel they need firearms for protection when they go out, why can't they hire part time help? Here in LA, it costs me $100 to take a cab home for a 30 minute drive, which is a ripoff. I can't afford a full time driver, but if I'm too drunk to drive home and can't get a buddy to drive me home, I'll call and pay for the cab because I know the consequences if I get caught. I'd definitely lose my license, legal fee money, and my job (it's in my contract) at the very least. Jail time at the worst.

I'm pretty sure there are athletes in NY that carry and don't get caught. Besides making a bunch of bad decisions, Plax was also a victim of bad luck. He got caught. Considering the consequences and what he stood to lose, he never should have put himself in this position tho. This is why I feel that he deserved everything he got.

A: As far as the bolded part goes. I still disagree. Just because you are told that it is ILLEGAL doesnt mean you know the penalty. As far as his wife is concerned, I dont know what type of attorney she is. If she is not a criminal lawyer, i dont think she would know the penalty necessarily, and i doubt she would specifically tell Plax without him asking. The marriage transference you are speaking about is rare. If your wife is a doctor, do you know anything about removing an apendix? Or perhaps even what an apendix is? Not to mention, how many husbands dont discuss everything with their spouse and vice versa? I think you are overestimating peoples interest in the law before they are caught doing something they arent supposed to. He perhaps didnt pay attention, or perhaps never heard. Jalen Rose perhaps, playing for the Pacers, had to deal with certain things Plax never had to. So maybe the team made it a point. B: Plax didnt bring the gun for the club. He brought it to pick up Ahmad Bradshaw because he lives in the same development as Steve Smith who was robbed at gun point there a week earlier. So should he hire a security team for the 5 minutes to pick up his friend? Yes it would be the super safe choice, but I doubt 90% of people would choose to do so if that wasnt their ultimate destination. Plax has said that he felt safe in NYC and the club.