Plax's Bargaining Chip? (1 Viewer)

[Poboy]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

 

[Brutis]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

As long as they are scoring me fantasy points i dont care. I'll root for one of my fantasy RB's to pound it down my favorite NFL teams throat.

 

[higgins]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

As long as they are scoring me fantasy points i dont care. I'll root for one of my fantasy RB's to pound it down my favorite NFL teams throat.

Business is business -- I don't understand the viewpoint of the OP -- blouses.

 

[obxlegends]

I think it's naive of us to think that any of the players that play for our fantasy teams are good guys. We truly just don't know.

I'll give you Marvin Harrison as an example. Two years ago he was squeaky clean. Now even he has questions.

We just never know and I learned a long time ago not to dwell on it.

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

 

[Koya]

If you are looking at the short term "the Giants might have lost a weapon" view, you may have a point. Maybe. Because what if the Giants don't cut him, and the distraction ends up hurting the team, either by the Giants not filling what could still become a need, or by the media, questions, not knowing if a key player will be with the team or in jail - so even in terms of production on the field, having Plax on the team could be a detriment as well as a big plus.

Now, if you take the long view - setting up a franchise that will say enough is enough, I think the benefits far outweigh the downside. For one, rookies and new members of the team know you stay (relatively) straight, or you will be held accountable for your actions, and that feeling of accountability is important, it can and does result in wins when that is part of a team's and a franchise's make up. Secondly, you become a team that the "good guys" are more prone to sign with.

Combine having a team/franchise that many respect with good player personnel, and now a franchise has a huge advantage. Perhaps a key free agent, who is a good player, good teammate, does not look to get EVERY last dollar - if you have cap issues, players may be more willing to work with the team to stay with a winner and a team they want to be with.

So in short, I think that the Giants cutting a talent like Plax, in the long run certainly, is more a bonus in terms of eventual wins and losses, than a negative.

 

[Koya]

I think it's naive of us to think that any of the players that play for our fantasy teams are good guys. We truly just don't know.

I'll give you Marvin Harrison as an example. Two years ago he was squeaky clean. Now even he has questions.

We just never know and I learned a long time ago not to dwell on it.

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

And my, how that has worked out for them lately.

 

[obxlegends]

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

And my, how that has worked out for them lately.

 

[Avery]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

Odd.I read reports that, against the advice of his lawyers, Plaxico previously turned down a deal with about two months of jail time that he would have been done with by now.

 

[Chase Stuart]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

 

[Phurfur]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

Benson is a great player?What players, cut for character issues, have made an impact in the NFL? I know allot that haven't.

 

[Chase Stuart]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

There is probably a good reason why it is difficult to get a gun license in NY, and if that is an issue for someone, they can choose to live elsewhere in lieu of breaking the law. I think the unlicensed part retains all of it's luster. Maybe part of the reason NY makes it difficult is because morons discharge them accidentally in public...and sometimes it hurts others aside from themselves.If he really needs a gun for protection, he should get a license to carry one. And he may want to consider one with a safety on it. He got lucky that he only shot himself.

 

[Poboy]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

Benson is a great player?What players, cut for character issues, have made an impact in the NFL? I know allot that haven't.

Hehehe. That's why I slashed with "good." It's not a case of whether any did make an impact, it's a matter of a team taking the high-road and cutting him and having him end up elsewhere. I just don't like one team profiting from another's decision to take what amounts to a disciplinary (and deservedly so) measure.

 

[Poboy]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

There is probably a good reason why it is difficult to get a gun license in NY, and if that is an issue for someone, they can choose to live elsewhere in lieu of breaking the law. I think the unlicensed part retains all of it's luster. Maybe part of the reason NY makes it difficult is because morons discharge them accidentally in public...and sometimes it hurts others aside from themselves.If he really needs a gun for protection, he should get a license to carry one. And he may want to consider one with a safety on it. He got lucky that he only shot himself.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

Benson is a great player?What players, cut for character issues, have made an impact in the NFL? I know allot that haven't.

Uhhhhhh....T.O.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

Benson is a great player?What players, cut for character issues, have made an impact in the NFL? I know allot that haven't.

Uhhhhhh....T.O.

Antonio Bryant

 

[3nOut]

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

So basically, you are saying that law enforcement should also allow people to carry bombs onto airplanes, as long as they don't go off and hurt anyone else. And drunk drivers should not be pulled over because they haven't killed anyone yet. These laws are in place to prevent bad things from happening, whether intentionally or not.

 

[Sebowski]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season. I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain? I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.Poboy

Your problem is appaulding teams for taking action before our justice system does. Roger Goodell would be proud.

 

[inzanitee]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

Like Afghanistan?

 

[Koya]

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

And my, how that has worked out for them lately.

:X

huh?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Burress definitely made a mistake and did something wrong but people are getting to caught up in the mentality that he is just a thug and are prosecuting (stereotyping) Burress as if they know his motives and what type of person he really is.

If this was just an average person not a professional athlete I think many would accept a "fine" as well as community service hours to make up for his mistake. Also, he should not be able to own a gun again for a minimum of a year or something along those lines. Sure what he did classifies as being a stupid move, but being that it was an instance where no one was harmed but himself do you really think this deserves jail time? Drinking and driving is equally stupid and first time offenders are fined and lose their license for a year; they are not jailed and as is the case with Burress he should not be sent to jail.

As far as an NFL suspension I believe Burress needs to be held accountable and a 3-4 game supsension max would suffice for this incident.

I am really curious to see how this all shakes out.

 

[Mikey16x]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

There is probably a good reason why it is difficult to get a gun license in NY, and if that is an issue for someone, they can choose to live elsewhere in lieu of breaking the law. I think the unlicensed part retains all of it's luster. Maybe part of the reason NY makes it difficult is because morons discharge them accidentally in public...and sometimes it hurts others aside from themselves.If he really needs a gun for protection, he should get a license to carry one. And he may want to consider one with a safety on it. He got lucky that he only shot himself.

NY Homer... It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to get a NEW YORK CITY license. We have a weird gun laws, if you are licensed in NYC you can carry a gun on Long Island... Nassau and Suffolk County. Long Island gun permits are still extremely hard to get your hands on... but if you have that license you still can't carry it in the city. When I say city I mean Queens/Brooklyn/Manhattan/Staten Island/Bronx. A city License=Impossible Any permit=a little less then impossible.

 

[obxlegends]

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

And my, how that has worked out for them lately.

huh?

My point was that it's about winning. That's why we play the game. I don't care if it's winning with a player who has a record or not. My team doesn't have a fan base to sell to. I have no stadiums I'm trying to fill. No public relations to worry about. I don't care if Plax shoots himself in the leg if he's scoring me 10 TD's a year. It matters not because it's about winning. Nothing else. I'm not looking to take the moral high ground in Fantasy Football.

You bringing up how it's worked out for Oakland was so far away from the point I was trying to make that I lost interest. But since you asked... I responded.

 

[VTjkru]

So his case was adjourned again till September. Anyone think he'll see the field at all this fall? It seems as if his lawyers are trying to has out a deal so that he could play this season, serve his time in the offseason, and be back for next season. I'm guessing that would be the ideal situation. Is that likely? Who knows?

 

[thayman]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season. I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain? I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.Poboy

Your problem is appaulding teams for taking action before our justice system does. Roger Goodell would be proud.

The teams almost have to take action before the justice system now. Don't forget that they league can fine the team if they feel they are too lax on punishments.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I read on the ESPN crawler that Plax is trying to a) get small jailtime NOW and serve it, or b) delay his trial until after 2009 season.

I can understand the D.A. bargaining for a), but what can Plax offer for b? If you're set on going to trial, what's left to bargain?

I applaud teams who cut these guys, but aren't they just hurting themselves? The Bears got nothing for Cedric Benson. Someone will end up with Plax. Cutting a good/great player for character issues shouldn't penalize the team that cut him.

As a fantasy owner I don't want Plax. Or Ricky Williams. Or the other guys who put themselves above the team. It would take the fun out of it if I had to pull for Terrel Owens on Sundays.

Poboy

As long as they are scoring me fantasy points i dont care. I'll root for one of my fantasy RB's to pound it down my favorite NFL teams throat.

Not the bolded part for me. That is the only time I don't root for my fantasy players. As for being idiots, I weigh rooting for an idiot with his talent. All things being equal, I take the guy i would rather root for; if the better player is the jerk, I would take the jerk and then trade him for the value he brings.

 

[Koya]

As Al Davis says - just win baby.

And my, how that has worked out for them lately.

huh?

My point was that it's about winning. That's why we play the game. I don't care if it's winning with a player who has a record or not. My team doesn't have a fan base to sell to. I have no stadiums I'm trying to fill. No public relations to worry about. I don't care if Plax shoots himself in the leg if he's scoring me 10 TD's a year. It matters not because it's about winning. Nothing else. I'm not looking to take the moral high ground in Fantasy Football.

You bringing up how it's worked out for Oakland was so far away from the point I was trying to make that I lost interest. But since you asked... I responded.

So sorry that I bored you enough to lose interest and then post. On a serious note, I was talking about real football, not fantasy football. In terms of real football and pure wins and losses, it can be argued that it's in the Giants' competitive interests not to have Plax on their roster right now. In fantasy, doesnt matter at all - except the risk of him not playing well, or not playing at all (which is signficiant).

 

[Manster]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

he is an idiot. i mean seriously, teams gotta be thinkin this guy aint the sharpest tool in the shed. he's carrying an unlicensed handgun in NY City, showin it off, and shoots himself in the leg. HELLO!!!!! this coulda easily made the Darwin Awards if he hits his femoral artery.he's lost millions, got released by the G-men, and possibly facin jail time! EEEEE-AHHHHH!!!!!the thing that pisses me off is this whole thing is great fodder for the gun control dooshes.that said, i'm all aboot second chances. i mean life is aboot lessons. lets hope he learns his, gets on the right track and leaves guns to people who know how to use them.

 

[VTjkru]

he is an idiot. i mean seriously, teams gotta be thinkin this guy aint the sharpest tool in the shed. he's carrying an unlicensed handgun in NY City, showin it off, and shoots himself in the leg. HELLO!!!!! this coulda easily made the Darwin Awards if he hits his femoral artery.he's lost millions, got released by the G-men, and possibly facin jail time! EEEEE-AHHHHH!!!!!the thing that pisses me off is this whole thing is great fodder for the gun control dooshes.that said, i'm all aboot second chances. i mean life is aboot lessons. lets hope he learns his, gets on the right track and leaves guns to people who know how to use them.

And gets picked up by the Bears and plays this season. I just traded for him and need to justify it.

 

[FWmaker]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

No offense, but this has got to be one of the stupidest (yes, "stupidest") comments I've read. I don't care that he had the gun for protection (joke). He BROKE THE FRIGGIN' LAW!!! And it doesn't matter that he didn't harm anyone else but himself, the law is there because of the potential to harm others. Yeah, it was an accident that it discharged into his own leg, but it could have been an accident that it went off aimed in a different direction as well. If a multi-millionaire needs protection, he should have a licensed bodyguard(s) with him. He can well afford one. Bottom line, respect the law. License required.I don't care how difficult it is to get a License in NY/NYC.

Should someone who has an expired Florida driver's license, and ONLY an expired Florida driver's license, be allowed to legally operate a motor vehicle in NYS (or any state, for that matter)? I think not.

That's coming from someone who believes in the right to bear arms.

[/steppingdownfromsoapbox]

 

[corpcow]

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

So basically, you are saying that law enforcement should also allow people to carry bombs onto airplanes, as long as they don't go off and hurt anyone else. And drunk drivers should not be pulled over because they haven't killed anyone yet. These laws are in place to prevent bad things from happening, whether intentionally or not.

I don't think the question of whether he broke the law and deserves to punished is in question - but I do think it puts "character issues" in a slightly different light. Yeah, it was a colossally stupid decision, but I think you do have to consider the context somewhat. In my mind, it's a lot different than being involved/implicated in a murder, doing drugs and so on. Plax wasn't "gang-banging" - he just made the poor decision after the Sean Taylor murder to carry an unlicensed weapon. (He SHOULD have just hired some bodyguards, because obviously he's not too skilled with the gun either). So while I'm not suggesting he should get a pass on punishment, I'm willing to be a bit more lenient on the "character issues" compared to others who get put in that bucket.

 

[ookook]

Well, where I live is one of those places where it would be no big deal. And discharging firearm inside a city, township, or municipality is usually some city ordinance. Carrying concealed weapon without license is statte.

Doesn't make it right. But Chase is right, it really does not boil down to a character issue, just broke the law and will need to pay the price to society.

Many of us fall into the same boat at one time or another in our lives with some law or another. I drove over the speed limit yesterday.

A better question is whether for a first offender does the 3.5 minimum routinely get settled to a lesser charge or some plea bargain? That is, is he being made an example of, the sort of negative special treatment celebrities sometimes enjoy? What is the sentence for driving without a license?

To be clear: I am not a big supporter of right to arm and am pro gun control. But 3 months jail time and a bunch of community service seems about right for a first offense compared to 3.5 years.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

not a big deal? really? carrying a firearm into a club and having it discharge is huge.

 

[Chase Stuart]

There are lots of guys in the NFL you can rip on for character issues. I really think Burress is low on the list. Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

Discharging an unlicensed loaded gun in public is a slap on the wrist in some states? Hope not in my state.

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

not a big deal? really? carrying a firearm into a club and having it discharge is huge.

As corpcow explained, it may be "hugely" illegal but it's not a huge character issue. But character issues are inherently subjective, so I don't expect there to be unanimity on what is or isn't a character issue. IMO, this is a non-issue from a character/team chemistry/locker room standpoint. I understand that people will view this differently.

 

[renesauz]

That's coming from someone who believes in the right to bear arms.

[/steppingdownfromsoapbox]

Apparently not. A right isn't a right just because it's possible to do something. If it's a "right", then it should be relatively easy to do something. If owning a gun is a right...you shouldn't have to go through 1000 hoops to carry one. To be honest, I'm very torn on gun control laws as a whole and generally stay out of that debate, but your statements are ridiculously contrdictory.

 

[pollardsvision]

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

So basically, you are saying that law enforcement should also allow people to carry bombs onto airplanes, as long as they don't go off and hurt anyone else. And drunk drivers should not be pulled over because they haven't killed anyone yet. These laws are in place to prevent bad things from happening, whether intentionally or not.

I don't think the question of whether he broke the law and deserves to punished is in question - but I do think it puts "character issues" in a slightly different light. Yeah, it was a colossally stupid decision, but I think you do have to consider the context somewhat. In my mind, it's a lot different than being involved/implicated in a murder, doing drugs and so on. Plax wasn't "gang-banging" - he just made the poor decision after the Sean Taylor murder to carry an unlicensed weapon. (He SHOULD have just hired some bodyguards, because obviously he's not too skilled with the gun either). So while I'm not suggesting he should get a pass on punishment, I'm willing to be a bit more lenient on the "character issues" compared to others who get put in that bucket.

We all can agree it was dumb and illegal, but his actions don't really show any malicious intent.

 

[3nOut]

The unlicensed part loses its luster when you consider how difficult it is to obtain a gun license in NY. And he didn't discharge the weapon on purpose, so I think you're being a bit heavy handed here.

He had a gun on him for protection. It accidentally discharged, harming only Burress. Not a big deal in a bunch of places.

So basically, you are saying that law enforcement should also allow people to carry bombs onto airplanes, as long as they don't go off and hurt anyone else. And drunk drivers should not be pulled over because they haven't killed anyone yet. These laws are in place to prevent bad things from happening, whether intentionally or not.

I don't think the question of whether he broke the law and deserves to punished is in question - but I do think it puts "character issues" in a slightly different light. Yeah, it was a colossally stupid decision, but I think you do have to consider the context somewhat. In my mind, it's a lot different than being involved/implicated in a murder, doing drugs and so on. Plax wasn't "gang-banging" - he just made the poor decision after the Sean Taylor murder to carry an unlicensed weapon. (He SHOULD have just hired some bodyguards, because obviously he's not too skilled with the gun either). So while I'm not suggesting he should get a pass on punishment, I'm willing to be a bit more lenient on the "character issues" compared to others who get put in that bucket.

I think the conversaton changed from character issues to legal issues when Chase said:

Has he ever had trouble with the law before? Maybe he has and I can't remember it, but if not, I think he deserves some slack. This one incident is one where he didn't harm anyone and his actions would be a slap on the wrist in a bunch of states.

And not only was it a colosally stupid decision, it was an illegal decision. And when you say it was a poor decision, you can say that about all crimes. Aren't they all 'bad decisions'? Does Plax have character issues? I don't know, and I wouldn't think so. But the bottom line is he broke the law where the punishment IS more thn a slap on the wrist.