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Player Spotlight: Falcons WR Corps (1 Viewer)

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2006 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Roddy White & Michael Jenkins & Company

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The Falcons WR's can't really be that great with Vick throwing to them. Vick isn't a good passer and when he does he radar locks onto Alge Crumpler. Not to mention that both the projected starters (White and Jenkins) are still very young. Typically young WR's don't do that great. Coupled with Vick's inadequacies at throwing and there is a ceiling on how well these two can do. Brian Finneran is still going to see plenty of time as well, and take some playing time away from these guys.

Jenkins: 45/650/5

White: 40/575/4

 
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I think that Michael Jenkins will fill the redzone threat and short yardage role, while Roddy White will generally be the possession and between the 20's guy. Brian Finneran will continue to be a pivotal performer in three WR sets and off the bench. I think that Roddy White will lead the WR in receptions and yards, and Jenkins will lead in TD's.

Roddy White: 65 Rec 845 yds 5 Td's

Michael Jenkins 48 Rec 672 yds 6 Tds

Brian Finneran 30 Rec 395 yds 3 Tds

 
Roddy White really came on as a starter, and looks to be the WR that Vick has really needed since coming into the league.

I expect him to develop into one of the premier deep threats in the league this year.

55 rec 925 yards 8 TDs

 
Granted White was merely a rookie last year, but watching him a lot last season (I can't help but watch him, since I live around Atlanta), he didn't show me much. Sure, he could become the #1 or #2 (more likely) in Atlanta, but that's not saying much, so long as Vick is your QB. They are a run-first team, and the passing game will always be second best. Not to mention you have a great TE in Crumpler to steal a lot of the passes...

White 41/525/4 TDs

Jenkins 52/723/7 TDs

 
I like the fact that White's targets doubled over the second half of the season, and really spiked in the last three or four games. Vick seemed to start trusting him a bit more, and I'm optimistic that we'll see some of that carry over into this season. He's still young and learning, and not in the ideal situation for a WR to be sure, but I think he'll build on last season's numbers:

58 rec, 795 yds, 6 td's

As for Jenkins, he's entering his third year, so hopefully his comfort level with Vick is increasing, and he's certainly a big target. Unfortinately, with Crumpler being Vick's favorite target, and with the good possibility that White will start to emerge more this season, I don't know that Jenkins has a very high ceiling:

52 rec, 700 yds, 4 td's

 
Roddy White really came on as a starter, and looks to be the WR that Vick has really needed since coming into the league.

I expect him to develop into one of the premier deep threats in the league this year.

55 rec 925 yards 8 TDs
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The "White" hype is buzzing. Unfortunately, I do not believe he will live up to it based on the following reasons:

1) Mike Vick is his QB

2) The TE is and will continue to be the #1 target

3) He is not that much more talented than Jenkins

4) This is a run-first team with a scrambling QB

5) Mike Vick is his QB

It is nice and dandy when a guy comes out and says that he wants to be the #1 target, such as White did. FFers everywhere love to hear that stuff. But every wr wants that, no matter talent level. Don't get me wrong, I think White does have talent. But I am not expecting more than the following this season:

52 765 5

 
I think that Michael Jenkins will fill the redzone threat and short yardage role, while Roddy White will generally be the possession and between the 20's guy. Brian Finneran will continue to be a pivotal performer in three WR sets and off the bench. I think that Roddy White will lead the WR in receptions and yards, and Jenkins will lead in TD's.

Roddy White: 65 Rec 845 yds 5 Td's

Michael Jenkins 48 Rec 672 yds 6 Tds

Brian Finneran 30 Rec 395 yds 3 Tds
14 TDs to the WRs?That would be the first time Vick gets anywhere close to that level IIRC.

 
To further the discussion:

Player No Yds Avg Long TDAlge Crumpler 65 877 13.5 48 5Brian Finneran 50 611 12.2 53 2Michael Jenkins 36 508 14.1 58 3Roddy White 29 446 15.4 54 3Warrick Dunn 29 220 7.6 24 1Justin Griffith 21 111 5.3 17 3No discussion would be complete without context. Crumpler is the True #1, without question.

Jenkins, White, Finneran - what's left after the TE (and some RBs) make some catches?

Also, ATL hasn't broken 3,000 yards passing as a team in the last two seasons. Will that change?

 
I think that Michael Jenkins will fill the redzone threat and short yardage role, while Roddy White will generally be the possession and between the 20's guy.  Brian Finneran will continue to be a pivotal performer in three WR sets and off the bench.  I think that Roddy White will lead the WR in receptions and yards, and Jenkins will lead in TD's.

Roddy White:  65 Rec    845 yds    5 Td's

Michael Jenkins 48 Rec  672 yds  6 Tds

Brian Finneran  30 Rec  395 yds  3 Tds
14 TDs to the WRs?That would be the first time Vick gets anywhere close to that level IIRC.
This is also the first year in Vick's years there has been little to no change at the WR top 3 spots. I see some of the FB TD love going to the WR this year and general overall improvement for Vick and the passing game. If any of the TD numbers I have projected fall short, I feel it will be Jenkins' numbers.
 
This is also the first year in Vick's years there has been little to no change at the WR top 3 spots. I see some of the FB TD love going to the WR this year and general overall improvement for Vick and the passing game. If any of the TD numbers I have projected fall short, I feel it will be Jenkins' numbers.
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paasted below is a fairly in-depth look at this exact question by Pudge, moderator of Falcfans.com. Read below if interested in the methodology of the projection.

Summary:

White 60 catches for 750 yards, 5 TDs

Jenkins 50 catches for 600, 5 TDs

***

How do you define a breakout season for two guys that haven't caught more than 36 passes in a single year? That could be catching 50 passes, 700 yards and 5 TDs. Relatively pretty good production but nothing that's going to inspire fear into D-Coordinators around the league.

I don't doubt both Jenks and White are going to have "breakout" years, where my opinion differs is whether either are elite caliber WRs. I don't believe they are. Some do. Some think Roddy White in a year or two is going to be jockeying with the likes of Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, and Marvin Harrison for best receiver int he league. I personally think that's crazy, but you know, to each his own.

I don't think either of them have the potential to be elite receivers. First and foremost, I don't think either of them are that talented. The guys that I would consider potential elite receivers taken in '04 and '05 are guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, and Braylon Edwards. Then you have "2nd tier" guys like Mark Clayton, Mike Clayton, and Lee Evans, that have the potential to be No. 1s in the NFL, but probably won't be considered the best of the best. Not to mention Rashaun Woods, Troy Williamson, and Reggie Williams, players that haven't quite panned out as hoped, but I still think they were better players coming out of college than either of Jenkins or White.

To me their maximum potential is to be a Keenan McCardell-type WR. A guy that is ideally the No. 2 target, but when he has to be the No. 1 guy, he is capable.

Secondly, you have to look at what kind of offense they play in and the supporting cast, to think that they'll never be considered elite receivers. I know stats don't mean everything, but it's hard for me to imagine anybody making the argument that someone is an elite receiver when they are catching only 60-65 passes a year.

We can basically estimate the range of passes that Jenkins and White will have thrown their way by looking at Vick's numbers from last year. First we must break down Vick's numbers based on how efffective the running game was:

Over 200 yards: 4.5 games*, 56 for 106 (52.8%) for 634 yards, 5 TDs, 6 INTs, 63.2 rtg

Under 120 yards: 4 games, 56 for 110 (50.9%) for 531 yards, 1 TD, 5 INTs, 48.7 rtg

121-199 yards: 6 games, 102 for 171 (59.6%) for 1247 yards, 9 TDs, 2 INTs, 94.8 rtg

* I'm counting the Vikings game as a half game

There's obviously a sweet spot where the running game isn't dominant but effective when we rush between 120 and 200 yards that Vick plays at his best. Let's assume that the offense produces at that level for 16 games. So that would mean 456 passing attempts for the year. We can basically assume in this offense, that is the MAX amount of passing attempts he'll throw in a given year.

Now, looking at how Vick spread the ball last year, you'll see that 49.9% of his pass attempts were thrown to either Roddy White, Jenkins, or Finneran. 26.5% were thrown to Crump, and the rest were spread out amongst the other players. Now, basically I see that as about par. 50% of his balls will go to the top 3 WRs, 25% to Crump, and 25% to the rest of the unit. I say this because Schaub's broke down similarly (51% to Top 3 WRs, 30% to Crump, and 19% to everyone else).

So of his 456 attempts now, Vick will throw 50% to our Top 3 guys, which amounts to 228 pass attempts.

Now last year, among those 3 guys, the pass attempts were about even. Finneran was thrown to 69 times, White 60, and Jenkins 58. Now let's assume that Finneran's are cut in half, so that he only sees about 1/6th of those passes. Now you have 83% of the 228 pass attempts getting split between White and Jenks, which equals about 190. So that's 95 each right. But frankly, most receivers will only catch 60% of the balls thrown their way. Last year, White caught 43% and Jenkins 51%. Last year, the 2 WRs who caught the most percentage of the passes thrown their way were Eric Parker (71%) and Darrell Jackson (69%). Even if you factor that in, that White & Jenks catch 70% of the balls thrown their way, it still totals to about 133 receptions between them. if they split that 50/50, as you know that's only 67 and 66 receptions on the year for them. Obviously, you could have one catching 80 passes and the other 53, but point is that we don't have an offense that is likely goign to allow 2 receivers to catch more than 70 passes.

Now obviously from 1998, we know that you can have 2 1000 yard receivers that only catch about 65 passes. Do I think Jenkins and White are capable of that sort of production? Yep. I think if we can get some steady offensive production over the next 3-4 years, each of those guys will probably produce at that level at least once. But I'm not expecting that to happen this year.

It's true that if Jenkins and White averaged the same yards per catch as they did in 2005 with 66 catches this year, they would be at 930 and 1015 yards, respectively. But again, i don't expect that to happen this year. I expect their YPCs will drop probably to around 11-13 range, because they will take more of the role from Crump of being the "possession" receivers in the offense.

And again, we must indicate that we're talking about Vick probably playing at his absolute best. I truthfully expect that Jenkins and White will instead combine for about 110 catches for about 1300-1400 yards and around 10 TDs. Good production, great when you consider what they did last year, but not what I'd call potential elite production that is goign to have me mentioning either of those two in the same breath as Randy Moss, Steve Smith, or whomever else you consider an elite wideout.

 
This is also the first year in Vick's years there has been little to no change at the WR top 3 spots.  I see some of the FB TD love going to the WR this year and general overall improvement for Vick and the passing game.  If any of the TD numbers I have projected fall short, I feel it will be Jenkins' numbers.
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I am figuring 2 of Griffith's 3 Td's to the WRs. I think Griffith was the fullback last year, or was he the #3 RB?
 
This is also the first year in Vick's years there has been little to no change at the WR top 3 spots. I see some of the FB TD love going to the WR this year and general overall improvement for Vick and the passing game. If any of the TD numbers I have projected fall short, I feel it will be Jenkins' numbers.
:confused:
I am figuring 2 of Griffith's 3 Td's to the WRs. I think Griffith was the fullback last year, or was he the #3 RB?
Oh I get it - FB was FullBack. Threw me.
 
Falcons | Team considering A. Lelie

Published Wed Aug 2 11:21:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports the Atlanta Falcons are exploring trade possibilities for Denver Broncos WR Ashley Lelie. Head coach Jim Mora said, "We're still working through a lot of scenarios that could involve players from another team, players out on the street and players that are on our team."

Falcons | Team considering J. Porter

Published Wed Aug 2 11:20:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports the Atlanta Falcons are exploring trade possibilities for Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter. Head coach Jim Mora said, "We're still working through a lot of scenarios that could involve players from another team, players out on the street and players that are on our team."

 
Roddy White put up 400 yards and 3 touchdowns in eight games, with no training camp, no repertoire with Michael Vick. Obviously with training camp, with a good rapport with Vick, he should easily double his numbers.

Also consider, Vick progressed as a passer, over the past half of the season. As he enters his 3rd year in the WCO, a point where exponential growth is seen as said by Mike Holmgren, he showed flashes of being a very good passer. Over the final nine games, translate it to a full schedule, turns out to be;

3,042 Yards

20 Touchdowns

14 Interceptions

It's not unreasonable to expect, with his growth, with his working with Jenkins/White, for that to continue and improve next year. I am a believer in "carry over," when it comes to Quarterbacks/Receivers. Vick has shown more trust in White than any other Receiver in the past. Their relationship should be much better this year, with a whole off-season to grow together. Remember, well respected analysts like Ron Jaworski and KC Joyner made extremely positive reports on Vick's development last year.

Of course, if you do buy into Vick throwing more to his Receivers, and improving as a passer. It will be White that benefits, more than Jenkins. White has "it." By the way, in Training Camp, Vick threw a deep pass to White, it was a 40 yard TD, where White beat all-pro, "NFL's fastest man" DeAngelo Hall to catch the perfectly thrown pass.

Jenkins - 49 Catches, 677 Yards and 3 Touchdowns

White - 71 Catches, 1,038 Yards and 7 Touchdowns.

 
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.

 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
:confused: Huh? They would trade for Porter or Lelie to be the 3rd WR? I mean, I like White and Jenkins and all, but doesn't this seem dumb?

 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
:confused: Huh? They would trade for Porter or Lelie to be the 3rd WR? I mean, I like White and Jenkins and all, but doesn't this seem dumb?
The Falcons are probably not automatically handing either one of those guys a starting job, but I am sure that both would have an excellent chance to start if they are willing to step up and compete. Oh, wait isn't that exactly the issue for both of these guys, being more competitve.
 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
:confused: Huh? They would trade for Porter or Lelie to be the 3rd WR? I mean, I like White and Jenkins and all, but doesn't this seem dumb?
The Falcons are probably not automatically handing either one of those guys a starting job, but I am sure that both would have an excellent chance to start if they are willing to step up and compete. Oh, wait isn't that exactly the issue for both of these guys, being more competitve.
LOL, very true in priniciple. I just question saying that before you get the trade worked out. Why tell the players that you don't intend for them to start?
 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
Intersting that the Falcons are considering CB Hall for the 3rd WR spot.
 
Roddy White put up 400 yards and 3 touchdowns in eight games, with no training camp, no repertoire with Michael Vick. Obviously with training camp, with a good rapport with Vick, he should easily double his numbers.

Also consider, Vick progressed as a passer, over the past half of the season. As he enters his 3rd year in the WCO, a point where exponential growth is seen as said by Mike Holmgren, he showed flashes of being a very good passer. Over the final nine games, translate it to a full schedule, turns out to be;

3,042 Yards

20 Touchdowns

14 Interceptions

It's not unreasonable to expect, with his growth, with his working with Jenkins/White, for that to continue and improve next year. I am a believer in "carry over," when it comes to Quarterbacks/Receivers. Vick has shown more trust in White than any other Receiver in the past. Their relationship should be much better this year, with a whole off-season to grow together. Remember, well respected analysts like Ron Jaworski and KC Joyner made extremely positive reports on Vick's development last year.

Of course, if you do buy into Vick throwing more to his Receivers, and improving as a passer. It will be White that benefits, more than Jenkins. White has "it." By the way, in Training Camp, Vick threw a deep pass to White, it was a 40 yard TD, where White beat all-pro, "NFL's fastest man" DeAngelo Hall to catch the perfectly thrown pass.

Jenkins - 49 Catches, 677 Yards and 3 Touchdowns

White - 71 Catches, 1,038 Yards and 7 Touchdowns.
That's extremely bold Shiver! I'm considering grabbing White in the 5th or later rounds of my supplemental draft (which pretty much equals 15 rounds or better in a redraft). If he's there and performs as you believe then I'd say it's great value!
 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
:confused: Huh? They would trade for Porter or Lelie to be the 3rd WR? I mean, I like White and Jenkins and all, but doesn't this seem dumb?
The Falcons are probably not automatically handing either one of those guys a starting job, but I am sure that both would have an excellent chance to start if they are willing to step up and compete. Oh, wait isn't that exactly the issue for both of these guys, being more competitve.
LOL, very true in priniciple. I just question saying that before you get the trade worked out. Why tell the players that you don't intend for them to start?
I would want both of these guys to know that they are not being handed anything. It would be much worst for the Falcons or any team not say anything, having these guys assuming they are "the Man."
 
wannabee said:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
:confused: Huh? They would trade for Porter or Lelie to be the 3rd WR? I mean, I like White and Jenkins and all, but doesn't this seem dumb?
The Falcons are probably not automatically handing either one of those guys a starting job, but I am sure that both would have an excellent chance to start if they are willing to step up and compete. Oh, wait isn't that exactly the issue for both of these guys, being more competitve.
LOL, very true in priniciple. I just question saying that before you get the trade worked out. Why tell the players that you don't intend for them to start?
I would want both of these guys to know that they are not being handed anything. It would be much worst for the Falcons or any team not say anything, having these guys assuming they are "the Man."
I see your point. It just strikes me as strange the way it came out.
 
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports...

Published Wed Aug 2 10:25:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports the Falcons are considering trading for Jerry Porter or Ashley Lelie.

Impact: Atlanta will wait at least a week before initiating formal trade talks, giving them enough time to see whether CB DeAngelo Hall and journeyman Jerome Pathon can handle the third receiver job. The Falcons reportedly would not give Porter or Lelie a chance to start, making free agent Ricky Proehl a more likely addition.
Intersting that the Falcons are considering CB Hall for the 3rd WR spot.
Falcons | Hall working with WRs again Published Thu Aug 3 6:01:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) AtlantaFalcons.com reports Atlanta Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall worked with the wide receivers during individual work in the team's morning practice Thursday, Aug. 3.

 
August 6, 2006, 21:44

Falcons :: WR

Falcons WR R. White Injures Hamstring

CBS Sportsline.com - [Full Article]

Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Roddy White injured his hamstring during practice sessions on Sunday. No information regarding the severity of the injury is currently available.

 
Falcons | R. White suffers hamstring injury

Sunday Published Sun Aug 6 10:52:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Steve Wyche, of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, reports Atlanta Falcons WR Roddy White (hamstring) suffered a mild hamstring injury during practice Sunday, Aug. 6. H is considered day-to-day.

 
I don't know, but I'm kinda freaked out, kinda ecstatic, and kinda worried at the same time.

Why am I freaked out?

Well, I'm freaked out for the same reason that I'm ecstatic.

Why am I ecstatic, then!?

I'm ecstatic because back in December, when I was doing a mock draft with a few buddies on an invisionfree forum, I made D Hall a WR. Everybody questioned it, but I went on with it. Granted, since December, I've learned so much, it's not even funny. Back then, I even took Dunn out to put Duckett at the starting job, and traded Dunn for Steve Jackson[Which, was ultimately a good move, but everybody thought it was a rip off then. D:].

Okay, then why should I be worried?

Because if we lose D Hall at the CB position, we lose the best player in our secondary, and we don't get to see D Hall face off with #85 on November 29th, so either way, I lose. :'(

 

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