Player Spotlight: Joe Horn (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

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Thread Topic: Joe Horn, WR, New Orleans Saints

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[buster c]

he's not top 5 anymore, and getting a bit long in tooth, but you can book 900 yards and 8 TDs. Don't draft him as your WR1. He'd be a great WR3, but that's not likely in most leagues.

 

[Verbal Kint]

This is one I'm keenly interested in. Alot of factors in play to consider. I'll brainstorm for now and post projections a little later.

- Katrina aftermath

Anything has got to be an improvement over last season, but the city in general has a long way to go to heal itself in a physical and in a mental sense. The stadium situation seems to be sorting itself out, but will still be less than an ideal situation.

- Reggie Bush

This goes back to the classic argument of whether having a star playmaker lineup beside Horn will hurt him by cutting into his touches or benefit him by keeping opposing Ds from keying on him. I'll say that this helps him more than hurts him.

- Drew Brees

This is the biggest factor to consider IMO. Brees can't be further apart in style from Aaron Brooks. Brees - head for the game, competitor, leader but not as physical. Brooks - great physical tools, but no passion for the game, lack of leadership, poor decision maker.

Brees is coming of major shoulder surgery, although seems to be progressing very well according to reports. Another concern with Brees is that his primary target in San Diego was the TE Gates. (granted Brees never had WRs of Horn's caliber to work with either in SD)

-new coaching regime

IMO Sean Payton has to be viewed as an upgrade to the passing game, although his lack of a track record as a head coach makes him something of an unknown quantity.

Projections 75/1,150/8

 

[Kiddnets]

Horn will be overlooked this year - he was terrible last year but it was the perfect storm of injury, Brooks (lousy team) and Katrina. I see a big bounce back this year - especially with Brees/Bush on board. Not top 5 anymore but you may be able to grab him later as your #2 or even #3 WR and be pleased to see him post top 12 #s.

80 catches 1,200 yds 9 TDs

 

[Verbal Kint]

Horn will be overlooked this year - he was terrible last year but it was the perfect storm of injury, Brooks (lousy team) and Katrina. I see a big bounce back this year - especially with Brees/Bush on board. Not top 5 anymore but you may be able to grab him later as your #2 or even #3 WR and be pleased to see him post top 12 #s.

80 catches 1,200 yds 9 TDs

pun intended?

 

[Kiddnets]

Horn will be overlooked this year - he was terrible last year but it was the perfect storm of injury, Brooks (lousy team) and Katrina.  I see a big bounce back this year - especially with Brees/Bush on board.  Not top 5 anymore but you may be able to grab him later as your #2 or even #3 WR and be pleased to see him post top 12 #s. 

80 catches  1,200 yds  9 TDs

pun intended?

No - Freudian slip! Good catch though....d'oh!!!

 

[PACKER 7]

I see big things for Horn this season. I'm sure, but I think I've heard that Horn and Brees worked together well during the off-season. If someone has information about training camp I'd be interested.

I have him down for 80/1126/8

The TDs may be a little high, but I think Brees will find Horn as his favorite. Brees had Gates and McCardell in SD. I think that he can manage a good year with Horn.

I haven't seen much discussion about Horn this season, but I sure hope most people are targeting him as a good value pick later in drafts. I know I am.

 

[rzrback77]

I see big things for Horn this season. I'm sure, but I think I've heard that Horn and Brees worked together well during the off-season. If someone has information about training camp I'd be interested. I have him down for 80/1126/8The TDs may be a little high, but I think Brees will find Horn as his favorite. Brees had Gates and McCardell in SD. I think that he can manage a good year with Horn.I haven't seen much discussion about Horn this season, but I sure hope most people are targeting him as a good value pick later in drafts. I know I am.

Wow! All of these projetions are off the charts. I have been to one practice thus far and am hoping to go again tomorrow afternoon. The practice I witnessed Brees was very accurate. Horn is a great route runner. He went all out on every play that I watched him participate in. He's a great leader for a younger team. Not sure why Stallworth doesn't follow his example. But he also has several factors against him. Brees has lots of weapons to choose from and seems to focus on shorter routes. I thought that Joe Horn looked great and will be atching him further, but I don't see anything near these projections.I was thinking more like 70 catches for 900 yards and 7 TDs and hoping to snag him late in the draft.

 

[PACKER 7]

I see big things for Horn this season. I'm sure, but I think I've heard that Horn and Brees worked together well during the off-season. If someone has information about training camp I'd be interested. I have him down for 80/1126/8The TDs may be a little high, but I think Brees will find Horn as his favorite. Brees had Gates and McCardell in SD. I think that he can manage a good year with Horn.I haven't seen much discussion about Horn this season, but I sure hope most people are targeting him as a good value pick later in drafts. I know I am.

Wow! All of these projetions are off the charts. I have been to one practice thus far and am hoping to go again tomorrow afternoon. The practice I witnessed Brees was very accurate. Horn is a great route runner. He went all out on every play that I watched him participate in. He's a great leader for a younger team. Not sure why Stallworth doesn't follow his example. But he also has several factors against him. Brees has lots of weapons to choose from and seems to focus on shorter routes. I thought that Joe Horn looked great and will be atching him further, but I don't see anything near these projections.I was thinking more like 70 catches for 900 yards and 7 TDs and hoping to snag him late in the draft.

Really. It was only 2004 that Horn had 1399yds and 11TDs. Now I'm not saying he'll achieve those as you know, but do you really think he can't get at least 1100yds? I'm just asking your opinion. As I mentioned I have Horn on my value list. I'm trying to determine if I'm projecting reasonable numbers for him, but you think he'll not be close to my numbers. I know he's 34 almost 35, but really the Saints don't have many WR options. Stallworth is suspect imo as a WR1. I just think J. Horn's got to be good for at least 1100 this season. Could you elaborate more on why you think he'll be less than 1,000. Also what other options, passing-wise do the Saints have this year? I know Deuce and Bush can catch out of the backfield, but there's not really an established TE or other WR that can take WR1 numbers right? Again, I'm not arguing, just want to understand more about J. Horn's circumstances.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

He's two years removed for 1400 yards and 11 TDs. I think him and guys like Aaron Brooks deserve a pass for struggling in 2005. Until he has a bad year when he can actually play in his home city and stadium, I think he should be a top 10-15 WR.

80-1200-9

 

[Sidewinder]

Horn will be overlooked this year - he was terrible last year but it was the perfect storm of injury, Brooks (lousy team) and Katrina. ...

Can also add in the fact that he had a nagging hamstring injury (missed 3 games, started a 4th but came out almost immediately) that he never quite got over, not to mention Todd Bouman at QB the final 4 games.76 rec

1,125 yds

10 TDs

...

- Katrina aftermath

Anything has got to be an improvement over last season, but the city in general has a long way to go to heal itself in a physical and in a mental sense. The stadium situation seems to be sorting itself out, but will still be less than an ideal situation.

...

How exactly is that ?

 

[mlball77]

I have Horn's numbers being pretty modest right now... at least until I see how he and Brees work together on the field. With Stallworth and Bush likely heavily involved in the passing game, and I thought the NO TEs as well (but have my doubts now), I just don't see Horn posting 1000+. However, isn't it the perception that Brees often locks on to one target most of the game/season... if that is a reality, Horn's numbers could really bounce back this year.

Does Brees really have the tendency to lock onto a specific target more than other starting NFL QBs?

 

[Urinal Mint]

The offensive line became worse, so I really don't see how the offense can improve overall, even with playmakers at the skill positions.

72-890-6

 

[Godsbrother]

He's two years removed for 1400 yards and 11 TDs. I think him and guys like Aaron Brooks deserve a pass for struggling in 2005. Until he has a bad year when he can actually play in his home city and stadium, I think he should be a top 10-15 WR. 80-1200-9

You may be right but I am not taking another chance on Horn unless he falls to the 6th round or later.

 

[wannabee]

He's two years removed for 1400 yards and 11 TDs. I think him and guys like Aaron Brooks deserve a pass for struggling in 2005. Until he has a bad year when he can actually play in his home city and stadium, I think he should be a top 10-15 WR. 80-1200-9

You may be right but I am not taking another chance on Horn unless he falls to the 6th round or later.

His ADP is WR20 and pick 57, so he is pretty close to the point you would consider him. Personally, I would not touch him until the 8th.

 

[rzrback77]

I see big things for Horn this season. I'm sure, but I think I've heard that Horn and Brees worked together well during the off-season. If someone has information about training camp I'd be interested. I have him down for 80/1126/8The TDs may be a little high, but I think Brees will find Horn as his favorite. Brees had Gates and McCardell in SD. I think that he can manage a good year with Horn.I haven't seen much discussion about Horn this season, but I sure hope most people are targeting him as a good value pick later in drafts. I know I am.

Wow! All of these projetions are off the charts. I have been to one practice thus far and am hoping to go again tomorrow afternoon. The practice I witnessed Brees was very accurate. Horn is a great route runner. He went all out on every play that I watched him participate in. He's a great leader for a younger team. Not sure why Stallworth doesn't follow his example. But he also has several factors against him. Brees has lots of weapons to choose from and seems to focus on shorter routes. I thought that Joe Horn looked great and will be atching him further, but I don't see anything near these projections.I was thinking more like 70 catches for 900 yards and 7 TDs and hoping to snag him late in the draft.

Really. It was only 2004 that Horn had 1399yds and 11TDs. Now I'm not saying he'll achieve those as you know, but do you really think he can't get at least 1100yds? I'm just asking your opinion. As I mentioned I have Horn on my value list. I'm trying to determine if I'm projecting reasonable numbers for him, but you think he'll not be close to my numbers. I know he's 34 almost 35, but really the Saints don't have many WR options. Stallworth is suspect imo as a WR1. I just think J. Horn's got to be good for at least 1100 this season. Could you elaborate more on why you think he'll be less than 1,000. Also what other options, passing-wise do the Saints have this year? I know Deuce and Bush can catch out of the backfield, but there's not really an established TE or other WR that can take WR1 numbers right? Again, I'm not arguing, just want to understand more about J. Horn's circumstances.

My perception is that Brees will work short much more often than long, sending Bush's receptions very high. I think that Horn could at least be option #1A, but his ypc will be lower than his normal. I think that Bush will score a lot of TDs and also Deuce and the TEs so that Horn will see less goal line targets, but I am intrigued by the number of positive projections on this board. Joe horn did look hungry at the first practice. I hope to go again today and will look close at Horn if I go.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Horn will be overlooked this year - he was terrible last year but it was the perfect storm of injury, Brooks (lousy team) and Katrina. ...

Can also add in the fact that he had a nagging hamstring injury (missed 3 games, started a 4th but came out almost immediately) that he never quite got over, not to mention Todd Bouman at QB the final 4 games.76 rec

1,125 yds

10 TDs

...

- Katrina aftermath

Anything has got to be an improvement over last season, but the city in general has a long way to go to heal itself in a physical and in a mental sense. The stadium situation seems to be sorting itself out, but will still be less than an ideal situation.

...

How exactly is that ?

The Superdome is still undergoing reconstruction, which is why they are playing all their pre-season games in Mississippi. When I posted this, there was still talk of some of their early season games being played elsewhere (maybe Baton Rouge) and that the SD might not be ready by the start of the season.

 

[PACKER 7]

I see big things for Horn this season. I'm sure, but I think I've heard that Horn and Brees worked together well during the off-season. If someone has information about training camp I'd be interested. I have him down for 80/1126/8The TDs may be a little high, but I think Brees will find Horn as his favorite. Brees had Gates and McCardell in SD. I think that he can manage a good year with Horn.I haven't seen much discussion about Horn this season, but I sure hope most people are targeting him as a good value pick later in drafts. I know I am.

Wow! All of these projetions are off the charts. I have been to one practice thus far and am hoping to go again tomorrow afternoon. The practice I witnessed Brees was very accurate. Horn is a great route runner. He went all out on every play that I watched him participate in. He's a great leader for a younger team. Not sure why Stallworth doesn't follow his example. But he also has several factors against him. Brees has lots of weapons to choose from and seems to focus on shorter routes. I thought that Joe Horn looked great and will be atching him further, but I don't see anything near these projections.I was thinking more like 70 catches for 900 yards and 7 TDs and hoping to snag him late in the draft.

Really. It was only 2004 that Horn had 1399yds and 11TDs. Now I'm not saying he'll achieve those as you know, but do you really think he can't get at least 1100yds? I'm just asking your opinion. As I mentioned I have Horn on my value list. I'm trying to determine if I'm projecting reasonable numbers for him, but you think he'll not be close to my numbers. I know he's 34 almost 35, but really the Saints don't have many WR options. Stallworth is suspect imo as a WR1. I just think J. Horn's got to be good for at least 1100 this season. Could you elaborate more on why you think he'll be less than 1,000. Also what other options, passing-wise do the Saints have this year? I know Deuce and Bush can catch out of the backfield, but there's not really an established TE or other WR that can take WR1 numbers right? Again, I'm not arguing, just want to understand more about J. Horn's circumstances.

My perception is that Brees will work short much more often than long, sending Bush's receptions very high. I think that Horn could at least be option #1A, but his ypc will be lower than his normal. I think that Bush will score a lot of TDs and also Deuce and the TEs so that Horn will see less goal line targets, but I am intrigued by the number of positive projections on this board. Joe horn did look hungry at the first practice. I hope to go again today and will look close at Horn if I go.

Thanks for the info. Let me know how Horn looks. I seem to remember an interview after they got Brees and he seemed pretty excited. Not sure how it translates this season, but I just think Horn's got one more in the tank.

 

[Sidewinder]

The Superdome is still undergoing reconstruction, which is why they are playing all their pre-season games in Mississippi. When I posted this, there was still talk of some of their early season games being played elsewhere (maybe Baton Rouge) and that the SD might not be ready by the start of the season.

I'm quite familiar with what's going on in the Dome, and not really sure where you got your information, but it certainly wasn't from a source with knowledge of the situation. Doug Thornton (Dome GM) has been saying since January that they would be football-ready by 1 Sept, the only issue for the 25 Sept. opener was that some of the suites would not be fully renovated and finished out. Absolutely nothing from the team or the league has indicated that they may have to resort to playing early season games elsewhere, certainly not in the timeframe of your late June post. Couple of links provided below.BTW: one preseason game (vs Indy) is in Jackson, Mississippi, the other (vs Dallas) is in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Dome to host all Saint 2006 home game - 1/12/06

Restoration update - 1/27/06

 

[Verbal Kint]

The Superdome is still undergoing reconstruction, which is why they are playing all their pre-season games in Mississippi. When I posted this, there was still talk of some of their early season games being played elsewhere (maybe Baton Rouge) and that the SD might not be ready by the start of the season.

I'm quite familiar with what's going on in the Dome, and not really sure where you got your information, but it certainly wasn't from a source with knowledge of the situation. Doug Thornton (Dome GM) has been saying since January that they would be football-ready by 1 Sept, the only issue for the 25 Sept. opener was that some of the suites would not be fully renovated and finished out. Absolutely nothing from the team or the league has indicated that they may have to resort to playing early season games elsewhere, certainly not in the timeframe of your late June post. Couple of links provided below.BTW: one preseason game (vs Indy) is in Jackson, Mississippi, the other (vs Dallas) is in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Dome to host all Saint 2006 home game - 1/12/06

Restoration update - 1/27/06

Thanks for the update. To me that is still less than an ideal situation (Lord knows contractors never fall behind), but that comment was probably the least important part of the entire post anyway.

 

[Sidewinder]

The Superdome is still undergoing reconstruction, which is why they are playing all their pre-season games in Mississippi. When I posted this, there was still talk of some of their early season games being played elsewhere (maybe Baton Rouge) and that the SD might not be ready by the start of the season.

I'm quite familiar with what's going on in the Dome, and not really sure where you got your information, but it certainly wasn't from a source with knowledge of the situation. Doug Thornton (Dome GM) has been saying since January that they would be football-ready by 1 Sept, the only issue for the 25 Sept. opener was that some of the suites would not be fully renovated and finished out. Absolutely nothing from the team or the league has indicated that they may have to resort to playing early season games elsewhere, certainly not in the timeframe of your late June post. Couple of links provided below.BTW: one preseason game (vs Indy) is in Jackson, Mississippi, the other (vs Dallas) is in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Dome to host all Saint 2006 home game - 1/12/06

Restoration update - 1/27/06

Thanks for the update. To me that is still less than an ideal situation (Lord knows contractors never fall behind), but that comment was probably the least important part of the entire post anyway.

I realize that was a relative non-issue (though I fail to see how it's a less than ideal situation with the Dome -- they don't practice their; the Metairie practice facility is fine; Payton chose to have TC in Jackson; and non-SD preseason games help build regional fan base). Perhaps just venting some frustration at how little the rest of the country really knows what's going on around here (or maybe more of a comment on how the national media chooses to portray or miscontrue things). And as far as contractors go, the roof contractor finished 6 weeks ahead of sked.

 

[Gbagzz]

He's two years removed for 1400 yards and 11 TDs. I think him and guys like Aaron Brooks deserve a pass for struggling in 2005. Until he has a bad year when he can actually play in his home city and stadium, I think he should be a top 10-15 WR. 80-1200-9

You may be right but I am not taking another chance on Horn unless he falls to the 6th round or later.

I already have Chambers and Ward and plan on getting him as my WR3. I could see between 900-1100 yards, between 70-80 balls and 7-9 TD's. B/C Bush and Deuce both have good hands I see them combining for 80 catches and with Stallworth gobbling some targets too I can't see Horn catching more than 80 balls.I DO think he'll be one of the best WR's in the draft relative to where you can get him.

 

[rzrback77]

My latest opinion on Joe Horn. He continues to impress at practice, but there are still lots of question marks. Devery Henderson has continued to run with the first string, so I am looking at this as a downgrade from Stallworth last year.

In yesterday afternoon's last workout prior to the first pre-season game at Tennessee, Stallworth was back on the field, but he was running with the third team. He has been listed on the injury report, but has not shown me any spark at all. Maybe he is just getting a call to improve from the Coach, but maybe he is on the way out? Just don't know about that situation.

The Saints continue to run lots of double TE set with TE set out wide. They continue to play multiple TEs, including Conwell, Campbell, Hilton, Lawrie, Miller, and Euhus. None have looked that bad in my opinion and I see the possibility of TE by committee here as a replacement for Brees connection to Gates.

Deuce McAllister is a nice receiving RB. Reggie Bush is truly quick and I really see him all over the field and targeted extremely frequently. So, in conclusion, the targets will most likely be spread out, in a very Patriot like manner and the WRs just don't inspire that much, so the ypa should be lower than normal.